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greenrose
Profile Joined April 2012
United States23 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-20 16:48:41
April 20 2012 16:47 GMT
#281
Flash prolly 14cc'd his way to masters

and he maxes out at 12 minutes without using mules ^^
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c0ldfusion
Profile Joined October 2010
United States8293 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-20 16:47:46
April 20 2012 16:47 GMT
#282
On April 21 2012 01:43 ShadeR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2012 01:40 c0ldfusion wrote:
On April 21 2012 00:33 Sawamura wrote:
On April 21 2012 00:30 ShadeR wrote:
On April 21 2012 00:16 c0ldfusion wrote:
On April 21 2012 00:10 Iplaythings wrote:

Atleast I'll still be at TL for LoL and Dota2



I seriously don't understand this irrational hatred towards SC2.

You guys all argue about how BW is superior because of higher skill cap, easier to see what's going on, greater difficulty and yet you can watch LoL and Dota2?

Wow...

Many many BW veterans moved to Dota and LoL simply because it just isn't possible to SC2 when you've had BW. I myself have moved onto playing Dota. Those games stand alone at the top of their genre, whilst SC2 is this mangled version of the perfect RTS...


I would even start watching SF2 and CS : Go if the opportunities arises than sitting over a game of supreme commander 2 (sc2).


I can see that if you're into FPS (or fighters, SF2 = street fighter 2??).

Those games require completely different skillsets and therefore your reasoning based on skill cap and difficulty do not directly apply.

Objectly speaking, mobi games require a subset of the skills needed to play RTS and are much easier.




I don't see any talk of skill caps or what not.


I'm meant in general, the arguments people use here on why BW > SC2 include:

"mature" graphics
higher skill ceiling
greater difficulty
more action (i.e. more multi-tasking, etc)

Using these metrics, mobi games are worse than sc2 in every way.
shineq
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom1453 Posts
April 20 2012 16:48 GMT
#283
- Lee Ji-hoon (KT Coach) 'We should be using the English version of SC2 as (current BW) fans are more familiar with the English names of units'

This is pretty interesting, GSL uses the KR client for the KR cast, I'm surprised it'd be difficult for them to get readjusted to their own language.

- Ji-hoon 'During his (Flash's) rehabilitation, he got to Masters (in SC2) without even knowing what the new units did'

Now that's just hilarous :D

Honestly, as sad as it makes me to see BW being slowly phased out, I'm definitely excited to see how the top BW players will do in SC2.
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HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
April 20 2012 16:48 GMT
#284
this makes me feel really excited! them using the english version would be very welcome too.

i must say as of now i also think BW has more interesting units, however i feel like HotS is going to add some really interesting units which might make the games more exciting on the average.
Noxblood
Profile Joined February 2011
Norway374 Posts
April 20 2012 16:49 GMT
#285
On April 21 2012 01:35 UTL_Unlimited wrote:
Some quick notes on the translations:
1) I think a scary point got jumped across. But SKT and STX coaches mention that there are numerous players who actually JUST played SC2 during the Proleague season in hopes that they can show up on TV later on. But when the coaches can't tell the players when SC2 will be on proleague, many actually just leave and rumors of teams kicking out players begin to spread. so they're very worried about this becoming a bigger problem later on.

2) some coaches agree that SC2 seemed boring in comparison to BW.So when they have to force the players to play this game later on, they feel like players wouldn't be doing it for fun anymore = it actually will be forcing it.

3) When they had players practice SC2 and then switch back to SC1 and then back again to SC2, the players seem to have a really hard time adjusting. They say the games are completely different. Even players who switch races later on for SC2 actually say it's just too hard to adjust and so they switch back to their original SC1 race later on.

4) Coaches feel they need to make Proleague even more spectator friendly than before in order to promote SC2 when the switch occurs. They also think that while fans will either adjust or leave the scene, they feel most of them will just adjust.

5) Reason why KT coach wants the English version (since it wasn't covered), is that they want the fans to feel as accommodated as possible when the switch occurs. High templar should be called a high templar; scv as an scv. Fans will just get confused if they start calling it with the Korean names, and so this should be a big issue.

6) SKT actually had a test where they had an actual paper test with the names of the units in Korean on it and they had pictures to match the units. Results = led to hilariousness.

7) Some coaches don't want the switch = but they feel it's inevitable due to sponsor problems and such.

8) Team8 Coach wants SC1 to exist as a "Living Legend", but they feel that when the SC2 switch occurs, then it will lead to people saying later on in life, "why the hell did we play this shitty old game SC1 for so long". This is because SC1 only really existed in Korea and nowhere else. He doesn't want SC1 to be just thrown away after leaving such a mark in the community, and wants some form of existence for SC1.

9) Another coach is worried that since the industry is so young, if they just switch the game as such, the same problems that they had in the past (the mistakes and other such incidents) will simply occur AGAIN with the new game.

10) Coaches are sad that SC1 only grew in Korea. They really wanted it to grow like how SC2 is with MLG. However, they believe that a foreign community (i.e. mentioning Team Liquid) still exists for BW and they were hoping that this community will always exist. They see that while the eSports community has grown with SC2, in actuality, they feel like the Korean eSports Community has simply grown smaller due to this growth.

11) The coaches REALLY WANTED to approach the foreign scene apparently. Like no other. But because of the strong idea that 'BW is ours and proleague is ours', the coaches couldn't approach the foreign scene. They see that the foreign community is there with the comments, team liquid, and youtube videos, but they just couldn't do anything about it. (tone of regret does exist here) They were happy that the previosu finals was done globally, but still sad that it's so late.

12) In terms of 'practice', in comparison to the GSL and other SC2 tournaments, their players are just screwing around. Coaches are also worried that while they have to make SC2 'theirs', the splitting of fans is very worrisome.

13) SKT VS TEAM8 SC2 HAPPENED TROLOLOLOL. Every player was like: wtf is this new hotkey shit? and then when it came down to it, Team8 whopped ass against SKT 4:2. TROLOLOL. One good thing was that because SC2 battles are so much faster, the player's mechanics increased because they needed faster reactions.

14) coaches see that SC2 is a brand new opportunity for the lower tier players= TBLS won't be as strong in a new game,and thus, this new game is basically a reset button and whoever practices more and such will be the best. Even the older players who were going to leave / force them to quit when SC1 was going to be around now have hope to continue the game.

15) SKT's team has rumors that they have NUMEROUS GM players right now, and so will win next proleague. But SKT's coach denies it and says most of his players are diamond leaguers.

I'll post more after this. Class ended

really grat translation! very informative. was a bit surprised by point 15! it seems like the change will happened, if reluctantly by many people. But i think the fall of some giants will appear with sc2 and rise of players that was less known.
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Dirtysocks
Profile Joined August 2011
Czech Republic68 Posts
April 20 2012 16:49 GMT
#286
On April 21 2012 01:44 0kz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2012 01:36 Dirtysocks wrote:
On April 21 2012 01:33 Stratos wrote:
On April 21 2012 01:29 Dirtysocks wrote:
Please, go cry that BW is dying somewhere else. Create a thread and go there. I am fed up with every single post about swich to SC2 telling me who it is not an esports and Bw forever etc...
If you enjoy BW go watch all the games from the dawn of BW you have 10 years of games. SC2 is new like BW once was. If you watch the games from 2000 you can also tell the game is boring, unstructured, NEW!

I started to watch BW way back in the time, but I am happy to see ESPORTS to grow.
Not to mention this is still business. Why not switch to SC2 and get much more viewers. They have to see how much money is outside of korea.

This is BW General.


Well BW general is going to die as soon as they switch,
My bad, enjoy your threads.

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only warn? Im a huge BW Flash and KT fan so Im the last person to hate on sc2 because I also follow GSL MLG and other tournaments and I understand why we need to move on but his post is just offensive


I am sorry if I was offensive, did not mean that even tho the post is.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50696 Posts
April 20 2012 16:49 GMT
#287
Hmmm the coaches are clearly weighing the pros and cons of star 2 in PL. Thanks for the translation UTL_Unlimited!
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N.geNuity
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States5112 Posts
April 20 2012 16:50 GMT
#288
I don't really see how a switch to sc2 gives players who weren't getting a chance to play any more opportunities, proleague speaking. They can do online tourneys/foreign tourneys I guess, but then they should just join an already existing sc2 team.

Bo5 mixed sets or Bo5 sc2 is still Bo5. And considering the whole Bo7 wasn't implemented because of scheduling/whatever sc2 isn't going to help that.

I'd be so fucking mad if next proleague is Bo7 mixed sets, because they could have just made normal proleague Bo7.
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eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
April 20 2012 16:50 GMT
#289
On April 21 2012 01:47 greenrose wrote:
Flash prolly 14cc'd his way to masters ^^

SC2 Turrets are pretty good compared to their BW counterparts. Perhaps that might contribute to Flash's success? Seriously, SC2 Turrets are so frightening to fly past. BW Turrets shoot rainbows and laughter. SC2 Turrets shoot pure death and horror.


On April 21 2012 01:35 UTL_Unlimited wrote:
Some quick notes on the translations:
+ Show Spoiler +
1) I think a scary point got jumped across. But SKT and STX coaches mention that there are numerous players who actually JUST played SC2 during the Proleague season in hopes that they can show up on TV later on. But when the coaches can't tell the players when SC2 will be on proleague, many actually just leave and rumors of teams kicking out players begin to spread. so they're very worried about this becoming a bigger problem later on.

2) some coaches agree that SC2 seemed boring in comparison to BW.So when they have to force the players to play this game later on, they feel like players wouldn't be doing it for fun anymore = it actually will be forcing it.

3) When they had players practice SC2 and then switch back to SC1 and then back again to SC2, the players seem to have a really hard time adjusting. They say the games are completely different. Even players who switch races later on for SC2 actually say it's just too hard to adjust and so they switch back to their original SC1 race later on.

4) Coaches feel they need to make Proleague even more spectator friendly than before in order to promote SC2 when the switch occurs. They also think that while fans will either adjust or leave the scene, they feel most of them will just adjust.

5) Reason why KT coach wants the English version (since it wasn't covered), is that they want the fans to feel as accommodated as possible when the switch occurs. High templar should be called a high templar; scv as an scv. Fans will just get confused if they start calling it with the Korean names, and so this should be a big issue.

6) SKT actually had a test where they had an actual paper test with the names of the units in Korean on it and they had pictures to match the units. Results = led to hilariousness.

7) Some coaches don't want the switch = but they feel it's inevitable due to sponsor problems and such.

8) Team8 Coach wants SC1 to exist as a "Living Legend", but they feel that when the SC2 switch occurs, then it will lead to people saying later on in life, "why the hell did we play this shitty old game SC1 for so long". This is because SC1 only really existed in Korea and nowhere else. He doesn't want SC1 to be just thrown away after leaving such a mark in the community, and wants some form of existence for SC1.

9) Another coach is worried that since the industry is so young, if they just switch the game as such, the same problems that they had in the past (the mistakes and other such incidents) will simply occur AGAIN with the new game.

10) Coaches are sad that SC1 only grew in Korea. They really wanted it to grow like how SC2 is with MLG. However, they believe that a foreign community (i.e. mentioning Team Liquid) still exists for BW and they were hoping that this community will always exist. They see that while the eSports community has grown with SC2, in actuality, they feel like the Korean eSports Community has simply grown smaller due to this growth.

11) The coaches REALLY WANTED to approach the foreign scene apparently. Like no other. But because of the strong idea that 'BW is ours and proleague is ours', the coaches couldn't approach the foreign scene. They see that the foreign community is there with the comments, team liquid, and youtube videos, but they just couldn't do anything about it. (tone of regret does exist here) They were happy that the previosu finals was done globally, but still sad that it's so late.

12) In terms of 'practice', in comparison to the GSL and other SC2 tournaments, their players are just screwing around. Coaches are also worried that while they have to make SC2 'theirs', the splitting of fans is very worrisome.

13) SKT VS TEAM8 SC2 HAPPENED TROLOLOLOL. Every player was like: wtf is this new hotkey shit? and then when it came down to it, Team8 whopped ass against SKT 4:2. TROLOLOL. One good thing was that because SC2 battles are so much faster, the player's mechanics increased because they needed faster reactions.

14) coaches see that SC2 is a brand new opportunity for the lower tier players= TBLS won't be as strong in a new game,and thus, this new game is basically a reset button and whoever practices more and such will be the best. Even the older players who were going to leave / force them to quit when SC1 was going to be around now have hope to continue the game.

15) SKT's team has rumors that they have NUMEROUS GM players right now, and so will win next proleague. But SKT's coach denies it and says most of his players are diamond leaguers.

I'll post more after this. Class ended

I really enjoyed this summary. Keep up the good work.
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slappy
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1271 Posts
April 20 2012 16:50 GMT
#290
I'm at least really happy that they recognize that they DO have a large amount of foreign followers of BW in TL. Of course it's puny compared to the foreign sc2 scene, but all us bw fans are pretty damn passionate
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RageCommodore
Profile Joined September 2011
Germany912 Posts
April 20 2012 16:52 GMT
#291
On April 21 2012 01:35 UTL_Unlimited wrote:
13) SKT VS TEAM8 SC2 HAPPENED TROLOLOLOL. Every player was like: wtf is this new hotkey shit? and then when it came down to it, Team8 whopped ass against SKT 4:2. TROLOLOL. One good thing was that because SC2 battles are so much faster, the player's mechanics increased because they needed faster reactions.


LOOOOOL
I'd love to see the matchups, even if they had no idea about the units/strategies/whatever. Vods would probably be hilarious as well (I mean insane mechanics + no idea about the game = hilarity).
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RatInPink
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden41 Posts
April 20 2012 16:53 GMT
#292
many of my friends and people here seems supriced that the best players in the world have an easy time whit sc2, its not like the games are that different
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phosphorylation
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2935 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-20 16:55:55
April 20 2012 16:53 GMT
#293
It's just tremendously sad and unnatural that sc2 will be forced onto viewers only because the sponsors want it, rather than because the players, coaches (most), or most importantly, viewers want it

It does not bode well for this initiative and esports in general.

(I am talking purely about the scene in Korea, just so I don't get misinformed comments).
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Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
April 20 2012 16:53 GMT
#294
On April 21 2012 01:50 eviltomahawk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2012 01:47 greenrose wrote:
Flash prolly 14cc'd his way to masters ^^

SC2 Turrets are pretty good compared to their BW counterparts. Perhaps that might contribute to Flash's success? Seriously, SC2 Turrets are so frightening to fly past. BW Turrets shoot rainbows and laughter. SC2 Turrets shoot pure death and horror.


Show nested quote +
On April 21 2012 01:35 UTL_Unlimited wrote:
Some quick notes on the translations:
+ Show Spoiler +
1) I think a scary point got jumped across. But SKT and STX coaches mention that there are numerous players who actually JUST played SC2 during the Proleague season in hopes that they can show up on TV later on. But when the coaches can't tell the players when SC2 will be on proleague, many actually just leave and rumors of teams kicking out players begin to spread. so they're very worried about this becoming a bigger problem later on.

2) some coaches agree that SC2 seemed boring in comparison to BW.So when they have to force the players to play this game later on, they feel like players wouldn't be doing it for fun anymore = it actually will be forcing it.

3) When they had players practice SC2 and then switch back to SC1 and then back again to SC2, the players seem to have a really hard time adjusting. They say the games are completely different. Even players who switch races later on for SC2 actually say it's just too hard to adjust and so they switch back to their original SC1 race later on.

4) Coaches feel they need to make Proleague even more spectator friendly than before in order to promote SC2 when the switch occurs. They also think that while fans will either adjust or leave the scene, they feel most of them will just adjust.

5) Reason why KT coach wants the English version (since it wasn't covered), is that they want the fans to feel as accommodated as possible when the switch occurs. High templar should be called a high templar; scv as an scv. Fans will just get confused if they start calling it with the Korean names, and so this should be a big issue.

6) SKT actually had a test where they had an actual paper test with the names of the units in Korean on it and they had pictures to match the units. Results = led to hilariousness.

7) Some coaches don't want the switch = but they feel it's inevitable due to sponsor problems and such.

8) Team8 Coach wants SC1 to exist as a "Living Legend", but they feel that when the SC2 switch occurs, then it will lead to people saying later on in life, "why the hell did we play this shitty old game SC1 for so long". This is because SC1 only really existed in Korea and nowhere else. He doesn't want SC1 to be just thrown away after leaving such a mark in the community, and wants some form of existence for SC1.

9) Another coach is worried that since the industry is so young, if they just switch the game as such, the same problems that they had in the past (the mistakes and other such incidents) will simply occur AGAIN with the new game.

10) Coaches are sad that SC1 only grew in Korea. They really wanted it to grow like how SC2 is with MLG. However, they believe that a foreign community (i.e. mentioning Team Liquid) still exists for BW and they were hoping that this community will always exist. They see that while the eSports community has grown with SC2, in actuality, they feel like the Korean eSports Community has simply grown smaller due to this growth.

11) The coaches REALLY WANTED to approach the foreign scene apparently. Like no other. But because of the strong idea that 'BW is ours and proleague is ours', the coaches couldn't approach the foreign scene. They see that the foreign community is there with the comments, team liquid, and youtube videos, but they just couldn't do anything about it. (tone of regret does exist here) They were happy that the previosu finals was done globally, but still sad that it's so late.

12) In terms of 'practice', in comparison to the GSL and other SC2 tournaments, their players are just screwing around. Coaches are also worried that while they have to make SC2 'theirs', the splitting of fans is very worrisome.

13) SKT VS TEAM8 SC2 HAPPENED TROLOLOLOL. Every player was like: wtf is this new hotkey shit? and then when it came down to it, Team8 whopped ass against SKT 4:2. TROLOLOL. One good thing was that because SC2 battles are so much faster, the player's mechanics increased because they needed faster reactions.

14) coaches see that SC2 is a brand new opportunity for the lower tier players= TBLS won't be as strong in a new game,and thus, this new game is basically a reset button and whoever practices more and such will be the best. Even the older players who were going to leave / force them to quit when SC1 was going to be around now have hope to continue the game.

15) SKT's team has rumors that they have NUMEROUS GM players right now, and so will win next proleague. But SKT's coach denies it and says most of his players are diamond leaguers.

I'll post more after this. Class ended

I really enjoyed this summary. Keep up the good work.



It really depends what bw turrets are shooting at . Is it Mutas ? than maybe it's shooting some pellets made out of plastic . If it's a shuttle than yeah you can kiss good bye to your shuttle in a matter of seconds.
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ne4aJIb
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Russian Federation3209 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-20 16:55:56
April 20 2012 16:54 GMT
#295
On April 21 2012 01:50 eviltomahawk wrote:
SC2 Turrets are pretty good compared to their BW counterparts. Perhaps that might contribute to Flash's success? Seriously, SC2 Turrets are so frightening to fly past. BW Turrets shoot rainbows and laughter. SC2 Turrets shoot pure death and horror.


LMAO
Curious, what is Flash's race?
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Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
April 20 2012 16:55 GMT
#296
On April 21 2012 01:50 N.geNuity wrote:
I don't really see how a switch to sc2 gives players who weren't getting a chance to play any more opportunities, proleague speaking. They can do online tourneys/foreign tourneys I guess, but then they should just join an already existing sc2 team.


I'd presume players who don't get many opportunities to play BW have/are given more time to spend practicing SC2, thus setting themselves up to be more relevant in the event of SC2 being incorporated into proleague. Given the coaches opinions on SC2 being a bit of a blank slate and the amount of effort/hard work being put into it being what will truly determine who excels with it in the future, B-teamers getting a head start gives them a good chance of getting some broadcast time.
huehuehuehue
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Estonia455 Posts
April 20 2012 16:56 GMT
#297
On April 21 2012 01:50 N.geNuity wrote:
I don't really see how a switch to sc2 gives players who weren't getting a chance to play any more opportunities, proleague speaking. They can do online tourneys/foreign tourneys I guess, but then they should just join an already existing sc2 team.

Bo5 mixed sets or Bo5 sc2 is still Bo5. And considering the whole Bo7 wasn't implemented because of scheduling/whatever sc2 isn't going to help that.

I'd be so fucking mad if next proleague is Bo7 mixed sets, because they could have just made normal proleague Bo7.

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howLiN
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Portugal1676 Posts
April 20 2012 16:56 GMT
#298
On April 21 2012 01:17 huehuehuehue wrote:
About this SC2 being easy thing...


Hear hear!
Dirtysocks
Profile Joined August 2011
Czech Republic68 Posts
April 20 2012 16:57 GMT
#299
On April 21 2012 01:53 RatInPink wrote:
many of my friends and people here seems supriced that the best players in the world have an easy time whit sc2, its not like the games are that different


Well there was a lot of hype about Forgg. And he is now average. I am not saying all BW pros will be like that, but this is what we know so far.
Jongl0
Profile Joined June 2011
631 Posts
April 20 2012 16:57 GMT
#300
Not surprised, SC2 marines with his micro should be ridiculous even when he's rehabilitating.

I agree with using the English unit names, I've always thought it was strange using the Korean names in GSL.
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