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Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
March 29 2012 18:25 GMT
#141
On March 30 2012 03:10 ffreakk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2012 00:56 Arceus wrote:
I find it funny that ppl say $25 for 1.5 hours is dirt cheap but are reluctant to pay the same bucks for one season of GSL/MLG/etc


Because to them 1.5 hours with a Bonjwa means more than a season of GSL/MLG/etc, obviously? o.O

10 minutes with Tossgirl easily stomp a lifetime of GLS/MLG/etc stuff for me.


If only I can get a tshirt or keyboard sign by toss girl and I will be the happiest fanboy in the world .
BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
March 29 2012 18:27 GMT
#142
On March 29 2012 23:06 GTR wrote:
30k won is quite a lot (compared to the other afreeca bjs)
players like eagle/anytime do it for 10-15k won p/hr iirc.
that being said, you are learning from probably the greatest strategic zerg ever to play bw.

welp at least it's cheaper than idra.


I can get lessons from anytime at 15 bucks/hour ?
ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
March 29 2012 18:34 GMT
#143
I can see it now:

Ma Jae Yoon standing on a street corner, with a glint of sorrow in his eyes and an aura of sadness enveloping him like a blanket of despair. He holds a cardboard sign, with the wretched epithet: "I am a Progamer", followed by, "Will teach StarCraft: Broodwar lessons for food." The grey sky and the cold wind blowing against his ragged and torn CJ Entus jacket seems to only exemplify his status a forgotten relic of the past; now doomed to a fate of wandering the dark underbelly of the streets of Seoul in search of scraps of discarded bulgogi in the slime-covered dumpsters that litter the back-alleys.

What hath he become?
"If two pregnant women get into a fist fight, it's like a mecha-battle between two unborn babies." - Fyodor Dostoevsky
1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
March 29 2012 18:36 GMT
#144
The fact that people would actually pay for lessons with this guy...Its basically giving brood war a giant middle finger to the face.
Known Aliases: Tyragon, Valeric ~MSL Forever, SKT is truly the Superior KT!
Slardar
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada7596 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-29 18:38:59
March 29 2012 18:37 GMT
#145
On March 30 2012 03:03 Rostam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2012 02:58 Slardar wrote:
Honestly... feels like the Cash Rate is some sort of favor to the community less than him trying to make money.



Show nested quote +
On March 29 2012 23:06 GTR wrote:
30k won is quite a lot (compared to the other afreeca bjs)
players like eagle/anytime do it for 10-15k won p/hr iirc.


Hmm


I was implying from a foreigner perspective, $25 an hour is cheap. Of course things are a bit different in SK, which is why I countered with him making any money is morally reprehensible and wrong. Replying with a single word doesn't contribute anything, unless your goal was to attack my reading ability. Bravo.
Qwyn
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2779 Posts
March 29 2012 18:39 GMT
#146
Wow. I was just thinking that he would probably start streaming again in some way or another. I figured something like this. But even if he is going to give lessons...why so cheap?

Y? Even so this boggles my mind. Boggly boggly boggly boo. Boggle.

Boggle boo.

O.o?
"Think of the hysteria following the realization that they consciously consume babies and raise the dead people from their graves" - N0
storkfan
Profile Joined March 2012
493 Posts
March 29 2012 18:50 GMT
#147
On March 30 2012 00:19 HwangjaeTerran wrote:
I think this is good. How is it bad?
Progamers usually don't have high degrees and they must get by somehow. The match fixers have it especially hard.
75$ for 4,5hours of Savior teaching you, which you can divide with your friend, that's just sick good deal.

The court punished the match fixers well enough, there's no need for me to judge them further.

In case you dont know, Korea has a great economy at the moment. Unemployment is ~3%. Its easy for a grown healthy guy like Savior to get a job. There is no need to further poison the scene with his presence, sorry to say.
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8100 Posts
March 29 2012 18:52 GMT
#148
On March 29 2012 23:06 GTR wrote:
30k won is quite a lot (compared to the other afreeca bjs)
players like eagle/anytime do it for 10-15k won p/hr iirc.
that being said, you are learning from probably the greatest strategic zerg ever to play bw.

welp at least it's cheaper than idra.

I actually never understood how people could pay the absolutely ludicrous amount Idra or InControl are asking. I think 25 dollars is a fairly normal amount for an hour with a very good player. I wouldn't pay more if i was crazy enough about the game to pay for a teacher...
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
Rostam
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2552 Posts
March 29 2012 18:54 GMT
#149
On March 30 2012 03:37 Slardar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2012 03:03 Rostam wrote:
On March 30 2012 02:58 Slardar wrote:
Honestly... feels like the Cash Rate is some sort of favor to the community less than him trying to make money.



On March 29 2012 23:06 GTR wrote:
30k won is quite a lot (compared to the other afreeca bjs)
players like eagle/anytime do it for 10-15k won p/hr iirc.


Hmm


I was implying from a foreigner perspective, $25 an hour is cheap. Of course things are a bit different in SK, which is why I countered with him making any money is morally reprehensible and wrong. Replying with a single word doesn't contribute anything, unless your goal was to attack my reading ability. Bravo.


Well, it seems you missed that point unless your intent was to say that he's somehow doing a favor to the community by charging them more than other people.
BW forever || Thall
reki-
Profile Joined July 2008
Netherlands327 Posts
March 29 2012 18:55 GMT
#150
He probably only knows Starcraft and the fact that he gives lessons for a measly $25/hour only shows how desperate he is, it's kinda sad really
>BD
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States6227 Posts
March 29 2012 18:55 GMT
#151
On March 29 2012 23:01 storywriter wrote:
The lessons will be streamed on the internet according to the customer's request and will have Savior himself playing and commentating.


The post states that 'Users who record the lessons and shares them will be added to the blacklist' to prevent users who try to obtain free lessons.


I can't really fit these two lines together in my head, what am I missing? Lessons are streamed but can't be shared?
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46065 Posts
March 29 2012 19:05 GMT
#152
On March 30 2012 03:52 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2012 23:06 GTR wrote:
30k won is quite a lot (compared to the other afreeca bjs)
players like eagle/anytime do it for 10-15k won p/hr iirc.
that being said, you are learning from probably the greatest strategic zerg ever to play bw.

welp at least it's cheaper than idra.

I actually never understood how people could pay the absolutely ludicrous amount Idra or InControl are asking. I think 25 dollars is a fairly normal amount for an hour with a very good player. I wouldn't pay more if i was crazy enough about the game to pay for a teacher...


You'd be surprised. As an assistant tennis pro at the country club I teach at (during summers), I easily make $50+ hour giving private lessons, and I don't plan on going on tour at all. The head pros I've worked with make over $100/ hour, although they've had experience in the professional scene and whatnot. Granted, the tennis community is a bit richer than the gaming community, but it's all about finding how much money people are willing to spend and showing off how good of a professional and teacher you are, and marketing properly.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Kiett
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States7639 Posts
March 29 2012 19:13 GMT
#153
On March 30 2012 03:11 slappy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2012 00:50 Gamegene wrote:
On March 30 2012 00:35 brachester wrote:
Hmm, k, I get that what Savior did was wrong and all but what's the point of keep being angry about it? I mean you should know when to forgive people right? Like people have already mentioned, 2 years probation doesn't look good on your resume so maybe this is his last choice. Also people should stop looking things with black and white, "twisted evil thoughts"? lol. Though I can't agree with the paying fees to be in his fanclub, that's pretty low.




I have no idea why people think it's so easy to forgive him, when the match fixing scandal ruined years of effort trying to build a scene from the ground up.


damn that video brought me to tears

Yeah, every time I watch Um Jaekyung eat copious amounts of meat, I cry as well.

So hungry ;;
Writer:o
Kleinmuuhg
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Vanuatu4091 Posts
March 29 2012 19:22 GMT
#154
Why cant he just go away tt
This is our town, scrub
ne4aJIb
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Russian Federation3209 Posts
March 29 2012 19:31 GMT
#155
On March 30 2012 03:50 storkfan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2012 00:19 HwangjaeTerran wrote:
I think this is good. How is it bad?
Progamers usually don't have high degrees and they must get by somehow. The match fixers have it especially hard.
75$ for 4,5hours of Savior teaching you, which you can divide with your friend, that's just sick good deal.

The court punished the match fixers well enough, there's no need for me to judge them further.

In case you dont know, Korea has a great economy at the moment. Unemployment is ~3%. Its easy for a grown healthy guy like Savior to get a job. There is no need to further poison the scene with his presence, sorry to say.


You mean the job like Perfectman had?
Bisu,Best,Stork,Jangbi and Flash, Fantasy, Leta, Light and Jaedong, Hydra, Zero, Soulkey assemble in ACE now!
Taekwon
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8155 Posts
March 29 2012 19:32 GMT
#156
I would totally.

like

take lessons from Savior.
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therockmanxx
Profile Joined July 2010
Peru1174 Posts
March 29 2012 19:41 GMT
#157
I dont know ppl think that savior shouldnt play broodwar, he is banned for official tournaments. Remember
He can do whatever he wants with his skillz like streaming or giving classes.
He is not doing anything illegal and is not hurting anyone
And NOO !!! everytime you hear news about him and you remind that he did horrible things is not actually a bad thing
Tekken ProGamer
chaosTheory_14cc
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada1270 Posts
March 29 2012 19:43 GMT
#158
On March 29 2012 23:16 OpticalShot wrote:
Savior was one of the core group involved in the scandal that triggered a huge crumble of the scene. Although arguable to some degree, his actions resulted in a dozen or so progamers and B-teamers losing their job and their career dreams. Moreover, it was openly admitted in the Adieu MBCGame program that Savior played an integral role in the eventual closing of MBCGame. On one hand, Savior is one hell of a cunning guy - he is still finding ways to milk the money out of the very business he destroyed himself.

On March 30 2012 01:13 supernovamaniac wrote:
One last question: If this person did have huge impact on BW scene, is it still justifiable for him to make money off from something that he helped destroy?

Can't really argue with anything past this point. It just leaves a bitter taste in your mouth.
[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6999 Posts
March 29 2012 19:45 GMT
#159
Ok nerds. stop said savior killed the bw scene. The entire world is in crisis. and korea is not the exception. Mbc move to kpop cuz they can win much more... u are just nerds .i saw many football players sell games. and football is still the best thing in the world. ofc not many nerds know about this

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therockmanxx
Profile Joined July 2010
Peru1174 Posts
March 29 2012 19:47 GMT
#160
I take that back......
Well in that scenario, what savior is doing is only unethical....
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