On March 30 2012 00:56 Arceus wrote: I find it funny that ppl say $25 for 1.5 hours is dirt cheap but are reluctant to pay the same bucks for one season of GSL/MLG/etc
Because to them 1.5 hours with a Bonjwa means more than a season of GSL/MLG/etc, obviously? o.O
10 minutes with Tossgirl easily stomp a lifetime of GLS/MLG/etc stuff for me.
If only I can get a tshirt or keyboard sign by toss girl and I will be the happiest fanboy in the world .
On March 29 2012 23:06 GTR wrote: 30k won is quite a lot (compared to the other afreeca bjs) players like eagle/anytime do it for 10-15k won p/hr iirc. that being said, you are learning from probably the greatest strategic zerg ever to play bw.
Ma Jae Yoon standing on a street corner, with a glint of sorrow in his eyes and an aura of sadness enveloping him like a blanket of despair. He holds a cardboard sign, with the wretched epithet: "I am a Progamer", followed by, "Will teach StarCraft: Broodwar lessons for food." The grey sky and the cold wind blowing against his ragged and torn CJ Entus jacket seems to only exemplify his status a forgotten relic of the past; now doomed to a fate of wandering the dark underbelly of the streets of Seoul in search of scraps of discarded bulgogi in the slime-covered dumpsters that litter the back-alleys.
On March 29 2012 23:06 GTR wrote: 30k won is quite a lot (compared to the other afreeca bjs) players like eagle/anytime do it for 10-15k won p/hr iirc.
Hmm
I was implying from a foreigner perspective, $25 an hour is cheap. Of course things are a bit different in SK, which is why I countered with him making any money is morally reprehensible and wrong. Replying with a single word doesn't contribute anything, unless your goal was to attack my reading ability. Bravo.
Wow. I was just thinking that he would probably start streaming again in some way or another. I figured something like this. But even if he is going to give lessons...why so cheap?
Y? Even so this boggles my mind. Boggly boggly boggly boo. Boggle.
On March 30 2012 00:19 HwangjaeTerran wrote: I think this is good. How is it bad? Progamers usually don't have high degrees and they must get by somehow. The match fixers have it especially hard. 75$ for 4,5hours of Savior teaching you, which you can divide with your friend, that's just sick good deal.
The court punished the match fixers well enough, there's no need for me to judge them further.
In case you dont know, Korea has a great economy at the moment. Unemployment is ~3%. Its easy for a grown healthy guy like Savior to get a job. There is no need to further poison the scene with his presence, sorry to say.
On March 29 2012 23:06 GTR wrote: 30k won is quite a lot (compared to the other afreeca bjs) players like eagle/anytime do it for 10-15k won p/hr iirc. that being said, you are learning from probably the greatest strategic zerg ever to play bw.
welp at least it's cheaper than idra.
I actually never understood how people could pay the absolutely ludicrous amount Idra or InControl are asking. I think 25 dollars is a fairly normal amount for an hour with a very good player. I wouldn't pay more if i was crazy enough about the game to pay for a teacher...
On March 30 2012 02:58 Slardar wrote: Honestly... feels like the Cash Rate is some sort of favor to the community less than him trying to make money.
On March 29 2012 23:06 GTR wrote: 30k won is quite a lot (compared to the other afreeca bjs) players like eagle/anytime do it for 10-15k won p/hr iirc.
Hmm
I was implying from a foreigner perspective, $25 an hour is cheap. Of course things are a bit different in SK, which is why I countered with him making any money is morally reprehensible and wrong. Replying with a single word doesn't contribute anything, unless your goal was to attack my reading ability. Bravo.
Well, it seems you missed that point unless your intent was to say that he's somehow doing a favor to the community by charging them more than other people.
On March 29 2012 23:01 storywriter wrote: The lessons will be streamed on the internet according to the customer's request and will have Savior himself playing and commentating.
The post states that 'Users who record the lessons and shares them will be added to the blacklist' to prevent users who try to obtain free lessons.
I can't really fit these two lines together in my head, what am I missing? Lessons are streamed but can't be shared?
On March 29 2012 23:06 GTR wrote: 30k won is quite a lot (compared to the other afreeca bjs) players like eagle/anytime do it for 10-15k won p/hr iirc. that being said, you are learning from probably the greatest strategic zerg ever to play bw.
welp at least it's cheaper than idra.
I actually never understood how people could pay the absolutely ludicrous amount Idra or InControl are asking. I think 25 dollars is a fairly normal amount for an hour with a very good player. I wouldn't pay more if i was crazy enough about the game to pay for a teacher...
You'd be surprised. As an assistant tennis pro at the country club I teach at (during summers), I easily make $50+ hour giving private lessons, and I don't plan on going on tour at all. The head pros I've worked with make over $100/ hour, although they've had experience in the professional scene and whatnot. Granted, the tennis community is a bit richer than the gaming community, but it's all about finding how much money people are willing to spend and showing off how good of a professional and teacher you are, and marketing properly.
On March 30 2012 00:35 brachester wrote: Hmm, k, I get that what Savior did was wrong and all but what's the point of keep being angry about it? I mean you should know when to forgive people right? Like people have already mentioned, 2 years probation doesn't look good on your resume so maybe this is his last choice. Also people should stop looking things with black and white, "twisted evil thoughts"? lol. Though I can't agree with the paying fees to be in his fanclub, that's pretty low.
I have no idea why people think it's so easy to forgive him, when the match fixing scandal ruined years of effort trying to build a scene from the ground up.
damn that video brought me to tears
Yeah, every time I watch Um Jaekyung eat copious amounts of meat, I cry as well.
On March 30 2012 00:19 HwangjaeTerran wrote: I think this is good. How is it bad? Progamers usually don't have high degrees and they must get by somehow. The match fixers have it especially hard. 75$ for 4,5hours of Savior teaching you, which you can divide with your friend, that's just sick good deal.
The court punished the match fixers well enough, there's no need for me to judge them further.
In case you dont know, Korea has a great economy at the moment. Unemployment is ~3%. Its easy for a grown healthy guy like Savior to get a job. There is no need to further poison the scene with his presence, sorry to say.
I dont know ppl think that savior shouldnt play broodwar, he is banned for official tournaments. Remember He can do whatever he wants with his skillz like streaming or giving classes. He is not doing anything illegal and is not hurting anyone And NOO !!! everytime you hear news about him and you remind that he did horrible things is not actually a bad thing
On March 29 2012 23:16 OpticalShot wrote: Savior was one of the core group involved in the scandal that triggered a huge crumble of the scene. Although arguable to some degree, his actions resulted in a dozen or so progamers and B-teamers losing their job and their career dreams. Moreover, it was openly admitted in the Adieu MBCGame program that Savior played an integral role in the eventual closing of MBCGame. On one hand, Savior is one hell of a cunning guy - he is still finding ways to milk the money out of the very business he destroyed himself.
On March 30 2012 01:13 supernovamaniac wrote: One last question: If this person did have huge impact on BW scene, is it still justifiable for him to make money off from something that he helped destroy?
Can't really argue with anything past this point. It just leaves a bitter taste in your mouth.
Ok nerds. stop said savior killed the bw scene. The entire world is in crisis. and korea is not the exception. Mbc move to kpop cuz they can win much more... u are just nerds .i saw many football players sell games. and football is still the best thing in the world. ofc not many nerds know about this