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On March 30 2012 04:45 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:Ok nerds. stop said savior killed the bw scene. The entire world is in crisis. and korea is not the exception. Mbc move to kpop cuz they can win much more... u are just nerds .i saw many football players sell games. and football is still the best thing in the world. ofc not many nerds know about this 
I still don't know if you're not informed or if you're trying to run away from the truth. Even after all these months after I presented some evidence as well as adieu MBC translations, I'm forced to believe that you're just trying to force yourself to believe that savior didn't play any role whatsoever.
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On March 30 2012 03:50 storkfan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2012 00:19 HwangjaeTerran wrote:
I think this is good. How is it bad?
Progamers usually don't have high degrees and they must get by somehow. The match fixers have it especially hard.
75$ for 4,5hours of Savior teaching you, which you can divide with your friend, that's just sick good deal.
The court punished the match fixers well enough, there's no need for me to judge them further. In case you dont know, Korea has a great economy at the moment. Unemployment is ~3%. Its easy for a grown healthy guy like Savior to get a job. There is no need to further poison the scene with his presence, sorry to say.
i dont get this sentiment. how is he damaging/poisoning the scene? the fact is that he fucked the scene up when he match fixed, but that was back then. now...he is playing BW on afreeca for thousands of people and so that he can live off balloons.
the only person this is screwing up is savior himself. he is getting a bad image by living off the game he once screwed....but stop kidding yourselves and think that this is somehow hurting our precious bw. we are past that now and we have much BIGGER problems other than crying about what savior is doing for a living.
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oh btw i would sign up cuz the lessons are dirt cheap and within a week he will understand that he can charge a hell of a lot more. so get in on this deal if you can or for the haters, rip him off cuz he doesnt know how much he is worth.
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On March 30 2012 04:48 supernovamaniac wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2012 04:45 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:Ok nerds. stop said savior killed the bw scene. The entire world is in crisis. and korea is not the exception. Mbc move to kpop cuz they can win much more... u are just nerds .i saw many football players sell games. and football is still the best thing in the world. ofc not many nerds know about this I still don't know if you're not informed or if you're trying to run away from the truth. Even after all these months after I presented some evidence as well as adieu MBC translations, I'm forced to believe that you're just trying to force yourself to believe that savior didn't play any role whatsoever.
ya sure. and whats gonna said 2 3 casters ?. look whats said the bonjwa caster on ogn ...
its ok big impact. not more. savior change the bw curse in many ways.I my self think he do more good things . but everyone have his opinion
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I don't really care, I don't see anything wrong in it. If you feel it's wrong, don't buy his coaching.
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I don't know all of the details of the match fixing thing (I know it occurred, but without knowing both sides full details I'm not going to judge), but good for him. He's definitely talented, so why not make legal money off of that talent.
More power to him
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On March 30 2012 04:51 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2012 04:48 supernovamaniac wrote:On March 30 2012 04:45 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:Ok nerds. stop said savior killed the bw scene. The entire world is in crisis. and korea is not the exception. Mbc move to kpop cuz they can win much more... u are just nerds .i saw many football players sell games. and football is still the best thing in the world. ofc not many nerds know about this I still don't know if you're not informed or if you're trying to run away from the truth. Even after all these months after I presented some evidence as well as adieu MBC translations, I'm forced to believe that you're just trying to force yourself to believe that savior didn't play any role whatsoever. ya sure. and whats gonna said 2 3 casters ?. look whats said the bonjwa caster on ogn ... its ok big impact. not more. savior change the bw curse in many ways.I my self think he do more good things . but everyone have his opinion
Out of that video all you got was that they said "It's OK big impact not more"? I don't even think they said anything about it being OK, I am pretty sure it was the complete opposite.
edit: I also have the stance that if people want to give Savior money there is nothing we can do to stop them, I only have issues when people claim that Savior did not do anything wrong or it was not a big deal.
(the edit is my opinion nothing specific towards you.)
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On March 30 2012 01:26 Gamegene wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2012 01:13 supernovamaniac wrote:
At this point in time, translating articles like these only bring out the "ugly" of the community. It's better if articles about savior aren't translated at all (not saying that you shouldn't translate articles at all).
I still find it funny that people are talking about "oh, he made one wrong choice in life" "psh that wasn't a big deal, it's in the past" etc. Then let me ask you a question: Did you truly enjoy MyStarleague that they did instead of regular OSL season last year? Did you enjoy the long off-season of Proleague with speculations that it might not happen again (same goes for OSL)? Did you truly enjoy the news of MBC Game being shut down? If you said No to one of these questions, then I don't know what the fuck's wrong with you. Maybe you just didn't know how huge the impact of match fixing was, or you're just trying to runaway from the truth.
MyStarleague happened because OSL couldn't get any sponsors after Bacchus. Weird, huh? Last time OSL couldn't find sponsors was Daum Starleague and they just went ahead with the league without any sponsors. JinAir OSL sponsorship was announced sometime into the league, not before the group selection. And this upcoming OSL is in the same situation: still no sponsorship. When did the most prestigious league in BroodWar have hard time getting sponsorship in OSL, especially after the amazing finals like the reverse sweep in Korean Air season 1 and legend of the fall in Jin Air?
I don't even need to discuss MBCGame because I posted few pictures from MBCGame that directly proves that some "incidents" had an effect on closure of the station.
I'm just going to leave questions here. It is okay if you follow someone who's good at playing this game. But if you're going to ignore the facts, you might as well ignore the Korean BroodWar scene along with it.
EDIT: One last question: If this person did have huge impact on BW scene, is it still justifiable for him to make money off from something that he helped destroy? SC2 Fans: "Omg a good BW player who isn't playing BW? We should forgive him so he can play SC2! Causing the downfall of the scene? Who cares, you guys just can't get over it."
Could that possibly be anymore unrelated or flameworthy? Mods?! I summon you!!!
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Well he wants some plus money, you cannot hate him becouse of that, he asks 10 times less than some so called sc2 pro
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On March 30 2012 04:54 Kralic wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2012 04:51 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:On March 30 2012 04:48 supernovamaniac wrote:On March 30 2012 04:45 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:Ok nerds. stop said savior killed the bw scene. The entire world is in crisis. and korea is not the exception. Mbc move to kpop cuz they can win much more... u are just nerds .i saw many football players sell games. and football is still the best thing in the world. ofc not many nerds know about this I still don't know if you're not informed or if you're trying to run away from the truth. Even after all these months after I presented some evidence as well as adieu MBC translations, I'm forced to believe that you're just trying to force yourself to believe that savior didn't play any role whatsoever. ya sure. and whats gonna said 2 3 casters ?. look whats said the bonjwa caster on ogn ... its ok big impact. not more. savior change the bw curse in many ways.I my self think he do more good things . but everyone have his opinion Out of that video all you got was that they said "It's OK big impact not more"? I don't even think they said anything about it being OK, I am pretty sure it was the complete opposite.
u take my words in the wrong way. ok nig impact in the wrong side  But this not mean he killed the work of years. is just bw become less interesting and less.
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This thread makes me (literally) feel faint... I just guess it couldn't be argued.
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On March 30 2012 04:48 supernovamaniac wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2012 04:45 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:Ok nerds. stop said savior killed the bw scene. The entire world is in crisis. and korea is not the exception. Mbc move to kpop cuz they can win much more... u are just nerds .i saw many football players sell games. and football is still the best thing in the world. ofc not many nerds know about this I still don't know if you're not informed or if you're trying to run away from the truth. Even after all these months after I presented some evidence as well as adieu MBC translations, I'm forced to believe that you're just trying to force yourself to believe that savior didn't play any role whatsoever.
He created, he destroyed. Big deal? Depends on what you mean by that. He took a dying esports and brought it to life again. Remember the sync OSL and the era of oov? The games were a fucking pain to watch and the players had a much different impact on the public eye. The figure of the superstar progamer that kind of came about with Xellos became reality with Savior and thanks to him alone.
All the evidence you quoted about him being an evil person with no regrets is sensationalist press coming from korean fox news. Bifrost had a bigger impact than him and called himself a progamer too on the first appeal. I don't give a fuck what title you call yourself, except that those words were said in a court of justice where the players had to state the evidence and their side of the story. It was their full right to do so, and furthermore it was their duty. They were processed as progamers and that should have been the end of the story.
Kespa legislation ended when they brought the players into the process, anything else is just the good old bandwagon shaming that koreans love.
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During his bonjwa edge he could have wanted 600 dollar/hour
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<3 ma bonjwa
best of luck!
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On March 30 2012 05:05 Rodiel3 wrote:
During his bonjwa edge he could have wanted 600 dollar/hour
kespa would have had a fit.
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Sad it has come to this. Wish he didn't have to matchfix in the first place, so selfish and heartbreaking for the ENTIRE starcraft community...so huge to see such a talented player be involved in such a shady business. Makes you doubt the entire starcraft business really, and that is why I can never truly forgive him. Such a waste of tremendous talent
edit: spelling
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On March 30 2012 04:51 Golgotha wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2012 03:50 storkfan wrote:On March 30 2012 00:19 HwangjaeTerran wrote:
I think this is good. How is it bad?
Progamers usually don't have high degrees and they must get by somehow. The match fixers have it especially hard.
75$ for 4,5hours of Savior teaching you, which you can divide with your friend, that's just sick good deal.
The court punished the match fixers well enough, there's no need for me to judge them further. In case you dont know, Korea has a great economy at the moment. Unemployment is ~3%. Its easy for a grown healthy guy like Savior to get a job. There is no need to further poison the scene with his presence, sorry to say. i dont get this sentiment. how is he damaging/poisoning the scene? the fact is that he fucked the scene up when he match fixed, but that was back then. now...he is playing BW on afreeca for thousands of people and so that he can live off balloons. the only person this is screwing up is savior himself. he is getting a bad image by living off the game he once screwed....but stop kidding yourselves and think that this is somehow hurting our precious bw. we are past that now and we have much BIGGER problems other than crying about what savior is doing for a living. edit: oh btw i would sign up cuz the lessons are dirt cheap and within a week he will understand that he can charge a hell of a lot more. so get in on this deal if you can or for the haters, rip him off cuz he doesnt know how much he is worth.
If anything I would say that he's helping the scene. I'm still waiting for the day a dark prince trained by savior himself walks the royal road.
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On March 30 2012 05:03 r33k wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2012 04:48 supernovamaniac wrote:On March 30 2012 04:45 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:Ok nerds. stop said savior killed the bw scene. The entire world is in crisis. and korea is not the exception. Mbc move to kpop cuz they can win much more... u are just nerds .i saw many football players sell games. and football is still the best thing in the world. ofc not many nerds know about this I still don't know if you're not informed or if you're trying to run away from the truth. Even after all these months after I presented some evidence as well as adieu MBC translations, I'm forced to believe that you're just trying to force yourself to believe that savior didn't play any role whatsoever. He created, he destroyed. Big deal? Depends on what you mean by that. He took a dying esports and brought it to life again. Remember the sync OSL and the era of oov? The games were a fucking pain to watch and the players had a much different impact on the public eye. The figure of the superstar progamer that kind of came about with Xellos became reality with Savior and thanks to him alone. All the evidence you quoted about him being an evil person with no regrets is sensationalist press coming from korean fox news. Bifrost had a bigger impact than him and called himself a progamer too on the first appeal. I don't give a fuck what title you call yourself, except that those words were said in a court of justice where the players had to state the evidence and their side of the story. It was their full right to do so, and furthermore it was their duty. They were processed as progamers and that should have been the end of the story. Kespa legislation ended when they brought the players into the process, anything else is just the good old bandwagon shaming that koreans love.
But wait a minute.. wasnt BW at its peak of popularity then? In the oov era mid 2000s? so how was it a pain?
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On March 30 2012 05:23 storkfan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2012 05:03 r33k wrote:On March 30 2012 04:48 supernovamaniac wrote:On March 30 2012 04:45 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:Ok nerds. stop said savior killed the bw scene. The entire world is in crisis. and korea is not the exception. Mbc move to kpop cuz they can win much more... u are just nerds .i saw many football players sell games. and football is still the best thing in the world. ofc not many nerds know about this I still don't know if you're not informed or if you're trying to run away from the truth. Even after all these months after I presented some evidence as well as adieu MBC translations, I'm forced to believe that you're just trying to force yourself to believe that savior didn't play any role whatsoever. He created, he destroyed. Big deal? Depends on what you mean by that. He took a dying esports and brought it to life again. Remember the sync OSL and the era of oov? The games were a fucking pain to watch and the players had a much different impact on the public eye. The figure of the superstar progamer that kind of came about with Xellos became reality with Savior and thanks to him alone. All the evidence you quoted about him being an evil person with no regrets is sensationalist press coming from korean fox news. Bifrost had a bigger impact than him and called himself a progamer too on the first appeal. I don't give a fuck what title you call yourself, except that those words were said in a court of justice where the players had to state the evidence and their side of the story. It was their full right to do so, and furthermore it was their duty. They were processed as progamers and that should have been the end of the story. Kespa legislation ended when they brought the players into the process, anything else is just the good old bandwagon shaming that koreans love. But wait a minute.. wasnt BW at its peak of popularity then? In the oov era mid 2000s? so how was it a pain?
nope. every year people say bw dying .. u can check 2005 . OMG bw is dying. ...same 2006 2007 2008 almost..
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On March 30 2012 04:45 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:.i saw many football players sell games. and football is still the best thing in the world. ofc not many nerds know about this User was warned for this post
But esports was never as big as football back then. You cant really compare the two. If a few football player sell games football can survive since it is a global sports with many sponsors. But for starcraft it is not the same. It takes time to get sponsors. The whole match-fixing gave potential sponsors a bad impression of the starcraft environment.
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On March 30 2012 05:03 r33k wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2012 04:48 supernovamaniac wrote:On March 30 2012 04:45 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:Ok nerds. stop said savior killed the bw scene. The entire world is in crisis. and korea is not the exception. Mbc move to kpop cuz they can win much more... u are just nerds .i saw many football players sell games. and football is still the best thing in the world. ofc not many nerds know about this I still don't know if you're not informed or if you're trying to run away from the truth. Even after all these months after I presented some evidence as well as adieu MBC translations, I'm forced to believe that you're just trying to force yourself to believe that savior didn't play any role whatsoever. He created, he destroyed. Big deal? Depends on what you mean by that. He took a dying esports and brought it to life again. Remember the sync OSL and the era of oov? The games were a fucking pain to watch and the players had a much different impact on the public eye. The figure of the superstar progamer that kind of came about with Xellos became reality with Savior and thanks to him alone. All the evidence you quoted about him being an evil person with no regrets is sensationalist press coming from korean fox news. Bifrost had a bigger impact than him and called himself a progamer too on the first appeal. I don't give a fuck what title you call yourself, except that those words were said in a court of justice where the players had to state the evidence and their side of the story. It was their full right to do so, and furthermore it was their duty. They were processed as progamers and that should have been the end of the story. Kespa legislation ended when they brought the players into the process, anything else is just the good old bandwagon shaming that koreans love.
Let me rephrase what happened:
Savior: I'm quitting BW to start studying, and I'm going to go study abroad (from his very own afreeca channel)
few months later:
Savior: I'm giving out BW lessons.
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