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Grapefruit
Germany439 Posts
At the moment I'm a bit bored of SC2, so I thought I could give BW a late try but is there a realistic chance that I'll be actually able to enjoy it or will I just get crushed? In SC2 I play at low-mid masters level. If you think it's worth to give it a shot, where should I start? Thanks in advance. | ||
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Release
United States4397 Posts
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GeckoVOD
Germany814 Posts
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Grapefruit
Germany439 Posts
On October 31 2011 05:46 Release wrote: Play on iccup. The first build you should try is The Stove. There is a guide in strategy section. I should have probably mentioned that I wanted to play Zerg, as it's my "main" race in SC2. | ||
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Sega92
United States467 Posts
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?36961 Posts
You're gonna want to to do some searches around TL as there are quite a few threads out there already from ppl who have attempted BW, as well as ppl on TL responding to these people, letting them know exactly how BW and SC2 are different. IMHO, if you stick to the game, you will have a blast. An ABSOLUTE blast | ||
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corpsepose
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Arnstein
Norway3381 Posts
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Emon_
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Meteora.GB
Canada2479 Posts
But yeah BW is pretty damn fun. | ||
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Skeggaba
Korea (South)1556 Posts
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Grapefruit
Germany439 Posts
I'm not scared of a steep learning curve, as a matter of fact I get very ambitious once I set my mind on something and enjoy working hard. What are the first things that I should work on to become a good Zerg player? Any kind of advice and or links are very appreciated. Edit: What is BGH? | ||
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Skeggaba
Korea (South)1556 Posts
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Navane
Netherlands2745 Posts
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Nakata
Bulgaria67 Posts
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figq
12519 Posts
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Silidons
United States2813 Posts
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hewley
Germany1063 Posts
This thread should help you as the OP was in the same position. And as many posters already said, go on iccup, OP teamliquid. There should be enough people who are willing to help newcomers, at least thats my impression. Play customs if you are scared of ladder as you will get crushed the first 50games or so.  How to improve in general. Read Liquipedia, search some guides (I think ver made a very useful one), watch Vods or Replays and have fun. | ||
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sheaRZerg
United States613 Posts
On October 31 2011 06:11 Grapefruit wrote: Guys, I can already tell that I'll start playing BW after these few posts. I'm not scared of a steep learning curve, as a matter of fact I get very ambitious once I set my mind on something and enjoy working hard. What are the first things that I should work on to become a good Zerg player? Any kind of advice and or links are very appreciated. Edit: What is BGH? I would recommend getting a hotkey setup you find comfortable first, as it will help with the macro. For Z the most common seems to be 1-4/5 units and the rest hatcheries and get comfortable using the f2-f4 camera hotkeys for macro and rallying...In general these will be used no matter what build you do. Then the first micro trick you should learn is muta stacking with an overlord, because it is oh so much fun, and can be used (to some extent) in any matchup. edit: Also watching first person streams is a great way to go...you will undoubtedly be able to details in what people do that are sometimes difficult to put into words. Zakari is one zerg bw streamer that I seems to be on a fair amount recently, but there are others too. | ||
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TheNessman
United States4158 Posts
where the "fastest possible map" has like 100 stacked mineral patches glitched to be RIGHTnext to your starting point, BHG is just a map where the main has like 20 huge mineral patches and 2 vespene, so it's really fun for like 4v4 or 2v2 or 2v2v2v2 or 3v3 or FFA | ||
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L3gendary
Canada1470 Posts
ZvT: 3 Hatch Lurker ZvP:3 Base Spire into Hydra ZvZ: 9 Pool Try that against a computer until you get the builds down and then take it to iccup and ask for some d- games and then just keep practicing! | ||
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djbhINDI
United States372 Posts
On October 31 2011 06:11 Grapefruit wrote: Guys, I can already tell that I'll start playing BW after these few posts. I'm not scared of a steep learning curve, as a matter of fact I get very ambitious once I set my mind on something and enjoy working hard. What are the first things that I should work on to become a good Zerg player? Any kind of advice and or links are very appreciated. Edit: What is BGH? BGH is "Big Game Hunters", a 3v3/4v4 map which is helpful to noobs to get their macro and stuff in order but that most serious players don't use too much. | ||
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puppykiller
United States3126 Posts
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Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
On October 31 2011 05:44 Grapefruit wrote: At the moment I'm a bit bored of SC2, so I thought I could give BW a late try but is there a realistic chance that I'll be actually able to enjoy it or will I just get crushed? I find that I enjoy it and also get crushed. Much as I love Brood War, it also makes me want to kill on a regular basis. If you think it's worth to give it a shot, where should I start? Find a build on Liquipedia you like. Practice it against the computer. Again. Again. Again. Again. Simply executing a build order is much harder in BW, but you need to learn to do it. Once you feel comfortable, go on ICCUP and lose a bunch. Practice some more. Play some more. You can't just fuck around in the low leagues in BW. There are no low leagues. You're going to lose. You're going to lose a lot. When you watch the replay, you'll see the reason why you lost is fairly obvious. I lost in the sGs tournament because I left 2/3rds at my army chilling at my base during the final battle. Flat-out forgot. I also sent three reavers, sans shuttle, to crawl across the map to my opponent's natural and by the time they got there I forgot about them because I was too busy making carriers in PvP and forgetting to build interceptors. Sadly, the VOD has disappeared from Nazza's stream. It was a very close game, after both of us had won previously in the tournament. I've played literally over 500 matches on ICCUP and was in a training program, and I'm still playing at such an abysmal level (though admittedly a lot of that is my own fault, I don't take my own advice enough). This game is hard, and don't expect to get to D+ anytime soon. | ||
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Kimaker
United States2131 Posts
GL man! On October 31 2011 09:39 Ribbon wrote: I find that I enjoy it and also get crushed. Much as I love Brood War, it also makes me want to kill on a regular basis. Find a build on Liquipedia you like. Practice it against the computer. Again. Again. Again. Again. Simply executing a build order is much harder in BW, but you need to learn to do it. Once you feel comfortable, go on ICCUP and lose a bunch. Practice some more. Play some more. You can't just fuck around in the low leagues in BW. There are no low leagues. You're going to lose. You're going to lose a lot. When you watch the replay, you'll see the reason why you lost is fairly obvious. I lost in the sGs tournament because I left 2/3rds at my army chilling at my base during the final battle. Flat-out forgot. I also sent three reavers, sans shuttle, to crawl across the map to my opponent's natural and by the time they got there I forgot about them because I was too busy making carriers in PvP and forgetting to build interceptors. Sadly, the VOD has disappeared from Nazza's stream. It was a very close game, after both of us had won previously in the tournament. I've played literally over 500 matches on ICCUP and was in a training program, and I'm still playing at such an abysmal level (though admittedly a lot of that is my own fault, I don't take my own advice enough). This game is hard, and don't expect to get to D+ anytime soon. Unless you're Koll xD | ||
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corumjhaelen
France6884 Posts
Watch a few Jaedong vod in each 3 matchs-ups, so you have an idea of what you should be doing, and you'll probably be able to win some games. If you want to really improve, and to make your life easier, do learn build orders though, they'll help you tremendously, and you'll have a better understanding of strats that way. Don't hesitate to ask questions, there will be plenty of people helping. Well, no reason to try it to see if you enjoy it or not. BW is a hard game, but it's not as impossible as some people make it sound^^ Edit: by not that hard, I mean not that hard to win some games, because there's always this feeling that it is indeed hard, that you can improve so much more in this game, but when you win, it's so rewarding =) | ||
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SCVdEsTrOyEr
United States18 Posts
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imEnex
Canada500 Posts
First, you should go to iCCup and try out their server, its pretty active. And also, head over to Liquidpedia and look for some builds depending on your race since the BOs in BW is a lot different than SC2. Other than that.. Enjoy the fabulous game of Starcraft: Broodwar! -Enex | ||
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wishbones
Canada2600 Posts
bw being the more fun game ofc. | ||
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Black[CAT]
Malaysia2589 Posts
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mansa
Philippines336 Posts
Playing normal games in ICCUP will get you crushed.. Playing on Bnet is 100% hacking spree.. | ||
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Phyrigian
New Zealand1332 Posts
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nitdkim
1264 Posts
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oldfartz
Philippines117 Posts
with BW the game really starts after the 5th probe, coz there are things they can do which can lead to you early death, so you never really get any rest | ||
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Ramiel
United States1220 Posts
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Zerksys
United States569 Posts
On October 31 2011 05:49 Grapefruit wrote: I should have probably mentioned that I wanted to play Zerg, as it's my "main" race in SC2. BW zerg plays completely differently than sc2 zerg. I'd argue that BW zerg is more similar to sc2 terran in playstyle. The game mechanics of zerg will be just fine for you, but if you sit back and let terran or protoss build an army like you do in sc2, you'll just get rolled. | ||
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Ramiel
United States1220 Posts
On October 31 2011 14:51 Zerksys wrote: BW zerg plays completely differently than sc2 zerg. I'd argue that BW zerg is more similar to sc2 terran in playstyle. The game mechanics of zerg will be just fine for you, but if you sit back and let terran or protoss build an army like you do in sc2, you'll just get rolled. what? have you ever watched a zvt or recent zvp game?! A 'management' style zerg is all about cutting corners for drone production. It's holding off the enemy death ball with -1 lurkers and defilers, so you can get an edge. OP please do not listen to everyone in this thread... as some people don't understand that they could be lacking some game knowledge. SC2 does not play anything like SCBW. It doesn't matter what race you played in SC2 as the game dynamics in SCBW are 100% different Play zerg if you want, just realize that they are going to be nothing like SC2 zerg | ||
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Thebbeuttiffulland
Brazil288 Posts
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Beamer
United States242 Posts
On October 31 2011 14:51 Zerksys wrote: BW zerg plays completely differently than sc2 zerg. I'd argue that BW zerg is more similar to sc2 terran in playstyle. The game mechanics of zerg will be just fine for you, but if you sit back and let terran or protoss build an army like you do in sc2, you'll just get rolled. Liquipedia refutes this idea The reason Terran is so seemingly inflexible and reliant on timing pushes is because in every Terran matchup it is the Terran that decides when he wants to be aggressive. The Terran player must be proactive in stopping expansions and worker production, therefore, it is the Terran player that must force the action. Also, remember that Zerg is a reactionary race and that if it is not being attacked it should be expanding. It is interesting that Protoss plays both the aggressor in PvZ and the reactionary in PvT, These quotes make it sound like it's the job of the Terrans and the Protoss to stop the Zerg from developing a large economy/army, not the contrary. | ||
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Atlasy
Hungary229 Posts
It sounds pretty cool. I switched yesterday to bw for sc2 because my computer couldn't run it perfectly I had like 2 fps. I started playing at 2010 april with the beta, and i got into Diamond league. In bw right now I'm D with around 1200 points. So I'm searching for friends. If you want to play just add me as friend (/f add) in iccup: Atlasy[HUN] and on FIsh: Atlasy. I want to play semi-serious, so it would be good if I had atleast some practice partners. Edit: Oh, and i forgot to mention that I'm Protoss. I was zerg in sc2, but in the first phase of beta i was toss and even in broodwar (when I messed around with AI-s) spme yrs ago my "main" race was protoss. | ||
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PH
United States6173 Posts
On October 31 2011 05:46 Release wrote: Play on iccup. The first build you should try is The Stove. There is a guide in strategy section. User was warned for this post So, so, so mean... lolol. | ||
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han_han
United States205 Posts
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aimaimaim
Philippines2167 Posts
So that everything bad about BW proleague will be forgotten to the archives and all of us will be happy. It seriously need to start soon .. November was it? yes .. novermber .. I'M FUCKING GOING CRAZY.. | ||
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pred470r
Bulgaria3265 Posts
On October 31 2011 17:58 aimaimaim wrote: Oh man .. Proleague needs to start soon. So that everything bad about BW proleague will be forgotten to the archives and all of us will be happy. It seriously need to start soon .. November was it? yes .. novermber .. I'M FUCKING GOING CRAZY.. Yeah November, but I'm not seeing anything in the TL calendar about it, so I'm guessing a starting date hasn't been announced yet? | ||
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firehand101
Australia3152 Posts
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FraCuS
United States1072 Posts
It's a hard game but it's worth it. When you lose, it just makes you wanna get better and then you are HOOKED. | ||
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RamenStyle
United States1929 Posts
It is going to suck for the first weeks, maybe months, but if you keep up and catch up, it will be worth it. But if you are doing it just to take a little rest from SC2, dunno how long it will you get broodwar wise. | ||
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Black[CAT]
Malaysia2589 Posts
On October 31 2011 23:55 RamenStyle wrote: Ok guys, if I understood correctly, he never played BW online, and taking into account that the D+ guy these days would crush a C+ of 5 years ago, which means the base average level has rised a lot, and that he still has to learn the mechanics and basic strats, the first suggestion should be: patience. It is going to suck for the first weeks, maybe months, but if you keep up and catch up, it will be worth it. But if you are doing it just to take a little rest from SC2, dunno how long it will you get broodwar wise. What? D+ guys might be better now, but they're still terrible compare to C+ players~ | ||
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lungo
Denmark276 Posts
i had some awsome time doing that! | ||
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Person514cs
1004 Posts
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Savant
United States379 Posts
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aimaimaim
Philippines2167 Posts
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hellbound
United Kingdom2242 Posts
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mdb
Bulgaria4059 Posts
On November 02 2011 23:32 hellbound wrote: After a bit of practice and having done a bit of research a SCII master should be able to be able to beat D level players handily. No way. Most probably a SCII masters player (after practice and research) will get destroyed by a regularly playing D player. | ||
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fabiano
Brazil4644 Posts
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Gyro_SC2
Canada540 Posts
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FFGenerations
7088 Posts
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Nebroth
Poland10 Posts
Played BW about 10 years ago offline, did the campaign recently. Gold-league scrub with Terran/Zerg in SC2. I want to start playing Protoss in BW on ICCUP. Is there a build that can be used in every match-up just to get used to the game flaw/mechanics etc.? I'm not looking for an optimal opening, just something that does reasonably well in most situations and allows a transition to mid-game. Big thx in advance! (don't want to start another "help the newbie" thread, and this one seems to be the most recent) | ||
ImbaTosS
United Kingdom1668 Posts
If you meet somebody on ICCup who is the same kind of level as you/a bit better, befriend them and practice together! It's rewarding, companionable, and efficient. GL, see you winning the ISL in 2 years time | ||
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icystorage
Jollibee19343 Posts
On May 23 2012 18:55 Nebroth wrote: Hello TL! Played BW about 10 years ago offline, did the campaign recently. Gold-league scrub with Terran/Zerg in SC2. I want to start playing Protoss in BW on ICCUP. Is there a build that can be used in every match-up just to get used to the game flaw/mechanics etc.? I'm not looking for an optimal opening, just something that does reasonably well in most situations and allows a transition to mid-game. Big thx in advance! (don't want to start another "help the newbie" thread, and this one seems to be the most recent) PvT - http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/2_Gateway_Observer PvZ - http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Bisu_Build PvP - idk  try http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/2_Gateway_Observerpretty much what you need is in liquipedia | ||
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Zenon
United Kingdom66 Posts
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icystorage
Jollibee19343 Posts
On May 25 2012 09:18 Zenon wrote: Due to my young age and not having an interest in RTS games up until recently, I didn't get the chance to experience BW and have decided to see what all the fuss is about! you've been born the wrong time man | ||
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Bebop07
United States291 Posts
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
6 Years ago: WC3, Sc:Bw, AOE2, RA2, and that Age of Mythology game. Now: SC2 What ever happened to WestWood Studio and all the other blockes? | ||
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RageCommodore
Germany912 Posts
On May 25 2012 10:17 Xiphos wrote: 6 Years ago: WC3, Sc:Bw, AOE2, RA2, and that Age of Mythology game. Now: SC2 What ever happened to WestWood Studio and all the other blockes? RTS games just aren't as popular as they used to be Nowadays everybody is playing Moba games and dumbed-down shooters like CoD. I think SC2 is the only current RTS that has a notable player base. I can't even name any other modern RTS from the top of my head, if I'm honest :/ | ||
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DorF
Sweden961 Posts
On May 25 2012 10:17 Xiphos wrote: 6 Years ago: WC3, Sc:Bw, AOE2, RA2, and that Age of Mythology game. Now: SC2 What ever happened to WestWood Studio and all the other blockes? Westwood got bought by EA and shut down eventually Dustin browder is what made it out alive Unfortunately... | ||
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Sawamura
Malaysia7602 Posts
On May 25 2012 10:17 Xiphos wrote: 6 Years ago: WC3, Sc:Bw, AOE2, RA2, and that Age of Mythology game. Now: SC2 What ever happened to WestWood Studio and all the other blockes? EA become a pacman and gobble up all the creative studios like westwood... | ||
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icystorage
Jollibee19343 Posts
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HNOblivion
Brazil37 Posts
On October 31 2011 05:44 Grapefruit wrote: Hey guys, despite being quite old I never checked out BW online play back in the days, which I kinda regret. At the moment I'm a bit bored of SC2, so I thought I could give BW a late try but is there a realistic chance that I'll be actually able to enjoy it or will I just get crushed? In SC2 I play at low-mid masters level. If you think it's worth to give it a shot, where should I start? Thanks in advance. I've never played any others RTS before BW, and i started playing BW this year. Yet i find ppl worse than me on ICcup. | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On May 25 2012 10:51 HNOblivion wrote: I've never played any others RTS before BW, and i started playing BW this yer. Yet i find ppl worse than me on ICcup. yeah go to iccup and /op teamliquid you'll have novices going there for support. not only you'll be able to play with people but they will also give you advice and reason with you of how you lost and etc. | ||
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Antisocialmunky
United States5912 Posts
There were some problems though. The Robot Race required like 3000 APM,t he Alien race required like 0 APM since they had giant basically SCII colossus that you built bases on, and the Greek Gods just turtled in a corner into a win... The only other RTS that was Brood War level watchable was Company of Heroes. Its getting a sequel now actually. | ||
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sluggaslamoo
Australia4494 Posts
Join clan sgs and if you have skype (thread is up somewhere), join the sgs skype group. Then just yell out to your clan with /c m to see if anyone wants a game. | ||
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