EPTcurious to see how this will turn out.
i guess this is the monthly sc2 vs bw thread -_-
i guess this is the monthly sc2 vs bw thread -_-
Agreed
SC2 in Proleague? - Page 56
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JosephStalin
United States20 Posts
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Piledriver
United States1697 Posts
On October 24 2011 22:37 konadora wrote: this post was decent until i read this lol revamped graphics? really? graphics isn't what separate good games from great games. if you can't see that then you're no different from blind fanatics While I agree with you completely, I have a really hard time trying to convince my younger cousin to play games like Deus Ex (the original one, not the new one) , Warcraft and SC/SC:BW. Say whatever you will like about gameplay vs graphics, but the younger generation tends to be quickly judgemental about games that have poor graphics. And these are the lifeblood required to grow the scene and new talent, because a game is not going to last too long if there are not enough new people from the next generation picking up and playing the game, I know I would play 50$ in an instant if they made BW in HD along with couple of small input changes (like MBS and control group enhancements). /runs away and hides in a corner from BW purists who read the last line. | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
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ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
On October 25 2011 11:24 Piledriver wrote: While I agree with you completely, I have a really hard time trying to convince my younger cousin to play games like Deus Ex (the original one, not the new one) , Warcraft and SC/SC:BW. Say whatever you will like about gameplay vs graphics, but the younger generation tends to be quickly judgemental about games that have poor graphics. And these are the lifeblood required to grow the scene and new talent, because a game is not going to last too long if there are not enough new people from the next generation picking up and playing the game, I know I would play 50$ in an instant if they made BW in HD along with couple of small input changes (like MBS and control group enhancements). /runs away and hides in a corner from BW purists who read the last line. Not going to attack you. BWHD would still be BW but BW with mbs and such would not be BW at all. Graphically changes are fine... but when you change gameplay..=/ | ||
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Little-Chimp
Canada951 Posts
On October 25 2011 11:29 Bagration wrote: BW is a great game. But ultimately if it is to survive as a spectator sport, its graphics must be updated. Even with its great gameplay, eventually its graphics will become more and more primitive in comparison to the ever-glossy games being released right now. Of course the hard-core fans will always watch BW, but if we wanted to attract new fans, we do need to keep up with the aethestics. No. BW looks great, it doesn't resemble some PS1 aged game or something. | ||
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VPCursed
1044 Posts
On October 23 2011 04:05 TheShimmy wrote: I hope there is a seperate SC and SC2 proleague at least for a while. SC2 just isn't a game ready for massive action yet. lol, how is not ready for massive action. | ||
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ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
On October 25 2011 11:40 VPCursed wrote: lol, how is not ready for massive action. I dunno it's not complete and imbalanced? =P | ||
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Vuk_91
Serbia1690 Posts
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konadora
Singapore66366 Posts
On October 25 2011 11:24 Piledriver wrote: While I agree with you completely, I have a really hard time trying to convince my younger cousin to play games like Deus Ex (the original one, not the new one) , Warcraft and SC/SC:BW. Say whatever you will like about gameplay vs graphics, but the younger generation tends to be quickly judgemental about games that have poor graphics. And these are the lifeblood required to grow the scene and new talent, because a game is not going to last too long if there are not enough new people from the next generation picking up and playing the game, I know I would play 50$ in an instant if they made BW in HD along with couple of small input changes (like MBS and control group enhancements). /runs away and hides in a corner from BW purists who read the last line.  | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES51706 Posts
oi,don't touch mah homie. I'll beat him for you. | ||
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tyCe
Australia2542 Posts
On October 24 2011 22:37 konadora wrote: this post was decent until i read this lol revamped graphics? really? graphics isn't what separate good games from great games. if you can't see that then you're no different from blind fanatics To be honest, the graphics do not affect my opinion of BW/SC2. I played BW before SC2's release (even during the last couple years) and I've never thought SC2 to be near as fun to play or watch as BW. However, it's a truism that BW's outdated graphics makes it difficult for BW to draw in new players. Graphics is like packaging for consumer products, and consumer product companies know the value of refreshing their packaging design every few years. Edit: On October 25 2011 11:50 Vuk_91 wrote: What.The.Hell.Are.You.Talking.About.? Brood war has THE best graphic ever! Period. I mean you can have 200 supply vs 200 supply battles with both players bringing in like 6-7 control group of units,and you can still clearly see every unit,and if you are a player,you can also (without any problem) target any enemy unit,or control and micro your own. I really can`t understand all this stuff. You want to tell me that Quake 4 is somehow better game than Quake 3??? Or (God forbids) Heroes of Might and Magic 4 (or 5) vs 3??? Other then that,design of some BroodWar units is just great! Can someone actually tell me that tank from SC2 looks better than the tank in BW? All other units look good too. Maps are simple,no unnessesary details which can only make units harder to micro. And at the end,you want to play SC2?-Play it! You think it`s better?-No problem! But for the love of God don`t come in OUR tiny part of forum and insult OUR game by saying such blasphemous things like "Brood War needs to be HD". I really think that this conservative, defensive and narrow-minded mentality will become the death of BW. Something needs to change for BW to not remain merely "our" or "your" game. Unless you really want BW's fanbase to remain as it is, you must agree that the game itself needs to be revamped superficially. Even if the graphics were not changed, the game needs to be made more accessible. With all the compatibility issues arising in the past few years with new OS and hardware, BW is only becoming more difficult to access for new players. If nothing changes (and to be honest, I don't think anything will change; Blizzard is hardly going to do it), then BW will slowly fade into the game that is better than any modern game but nobody plays it anymore because it was "so year 2000", and BW fans will become that annoying guy in the background who keeps reminding everyone that Daggerfall is better than Oblivion or that Baldur's Gate was so much better than this SWTOR trash. Sure, if you're resigned to the fate that BW will not be revamped, then the fanbase will remain an insular, ever diminishing group of sad people remembering the glory days. One day, TBLS will retire, and if the skill level subsequently drops, how will you feel about watching pro BW? Isn't it better to have some revamping of the game to encourage new talent to come in? I don't understand why so many BW fans don't want any change at all. KeSPA will not save BW. KeSPA will try to save KeSPA, any means necessary. | ||
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nalgene
Canada2153 Posts
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chongu
Malaysia2608 Posts
On October 25 2011 13:11 nalgene wrote: There is a street fighter game that was remade with higher resolution textures at some point ( but it looked like they made changes to the game though... but they could have just kept everything the same but with only aesthetic changes... ) shouldn't be too hard to do the same for bw either... And some minor balance fixes and online capabilities. Pretty sure they've tossed ideas about making a HD version of BW hahaha. But definitely not soon enough to see it on TV/streams anymore ;_; Less graphics discussions please. I like my video games with edgy squares : P | ||
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DoX.)
Singapore6164 Posts
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Darkong
United Kingdom418 Posts
On October 25 2011 13:35 DoX.) wrote: I find it so sad that people don't find BW's graphics beautiful. It is so much more elegant than 90% of the mediocre 3d that developers were trying to throw into every game in the early 2000s Well, beauty is in the eye of the beholder after all. But I do wish Blizzard would do something to BW, at least so I could get it to scale to my monitor properly. | ||
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hellbound
United Kingdom2242 Posts
On October 25 2011 13:22 chongu wrote: And some minor balance fixes and online capabilities. Pretty sure they've tossed ideas about making a HD version of BW hahaha. But definitely not soon enough to see it on TV/streams anymore ;_; Less graphics discussions please. I like my video games with edgy squares : P  please, don't go there. | ||
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konadora
Singapore66366 Posts
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simansh
257 Posts
On October 26 2011 02:05 konadora wrote: according to a recent fomos poll, 48.9% (or 1345 votes) said no to SC2 completely, while the other options - "SC2 slowly integrated", "implement SC2 straightaway" and "misc" - got 34.2%, 16.0% and 0.9% votes respectively. Wow so thats pretty much 50-50 BW vs SC2. | ||
ArvickHero
10387 Posts
ohohohhohoho I can see it now .. Zealot build time nerf because 2gate proxy too strong at the D level, Barracks requires supply depot because proxy rax bunker rush too hard to defend at the D level, Siege Tank nerfed and marines buffed because more unit diversity is wanted in TvP, DT build time increased by 30 seconds because DT rush too strong at the D level THE POSSIBILITES ARE ENDLESS WITH BROWDER REBALANCING BW | ||
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PlosionCornu
Italy814 Posts
Eh, the sample pool is still too small.. | ||
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