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SCBW in Korea: Headlines 2011-10-12 - Page 4

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Torenhire
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States11681 Posts
October 12 2011 18:15 GMT
#61
Change is good, and it sounds to me like the changes being discussed are going to make BW better no matter what.

My personal opinion:

BO5 Proleague, two times a week. Make Winner's League more of an STX Master's Cup, its own seperate thing

Also I feel like MyStarLeague should be broadcast on a third day, and break that off from OSL. It'd be like a rookie-courage tournament and get them TV time and practice, without having to go through and face Bisu in prelims right after haha.
SirJolt: Well maybe if you weren't so big and stupid, it wouldn't have hit you.
OpticalShot
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada6330 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-12 20:09:35
October 12 2011 18:27 GMT
#62
Sorry guys, being hampered with last minute deadline report stuff. Will continue working on it later~
*edit: just finished the report, but going to head home soon~
[TLMS] REBOOT
xxpack09
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2160 Posts
October 12 2011 18:47 GMT
#63
I would hate them going back to Bo5, Bo7 allows more players to play and creates more excitement.
Kal_rA
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2925 Posts
October 12 2011 19:04 GMT
#64
As much as I love BW (and hate the lack of it) I do agree with mostly everything. 5 days is just too much. Lower it slightly so that the suspense and novelty of the games don't wear off.

Perfect example: GSL. There is a new champion crowned every fucking month. It was amazing the first time, really fun the second, but by now its just semi-interesting.

Allowing for less games allows for more HYPE! OSL takes like 3 months to complete. This gives fans a chance to follow a player closely and also allows them to get to know all the players (rather than just the stars like Nestea or MVP). OSL example from last season: Killer. Daim it was amazing to watch him tear through everyone till he got DQed and was unfortunately knocked out. But his rookie run, and more importantly the time it took for it to happen allowed for fans to hype him and connect with his play. I'm pretty sure 80-90% of TL was rooting for that kid (:
Jaedong.
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10686 Posts
October 12 2011 19:11 GMT
#65
Thanks for this, long live BW, I don't mind the longer sets, more BW the better IMO.
AKA: TelecoM[WHITE] Protoss fighting
andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
October 12 2011 19:29 GMT
#66
I do like the BO7 format. It gives recognition to the up and coming players. The next generation of stars need their time in the spotlight so fans can get to know them. If PL is going to drop to 8 teams, I don't really see that big a problem. They can just have each team play 1 round a week. That would mean 4 days of games.
ninini
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden1204 Posts
October 12 2011 19:49 GMT
#67
On October 13 2011 02:43 QuothTheRaven wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2011 01:22 bearbuddy wrote:
Why not cut it to less than 5 day-week and change it back to bo5 for the official PL, but broadcast Dream league as well? There would be less noob stomping in the bo5 format, and a generally more competitive environment. Since the purpose of bo7 is to give rookie more experience, broadcasting DL live would give them stage exposure without embarrassing them to far superior opponents.

As for the audience, the people who don't really have enough time to dedicate to watching BW would just watch PL, while the more hardcore fans can watch DL as well.

Anyway, thanks for the info.

Wow, this is a phenomenal solution. I hope they go with something like this!

I found that the Bo7 was often too long for me to seriously consider sitting down and watching every game. I frequently found myself checking for the recommended games / checking for players I like, and only watching those games. With the Bo5 format, I'd usually watch the entire series, even when it involved players/teams that I wasn't particularly interested in.

Just skip the first 2 games. BO5 means no Hyuk, so no thx... It's already quite hard for the non-stars to play, why make it harder while putting more work on the stars?

Imagine CJ in a BO5. Effort and Hydra, then 1 or 2 guys more out of Leta, Snow, Horang2, Movie and Skyhigh, and then if necessary Effort or Hydra again for ace. It's pretty ridiculous to imagine Leta only playing every third game.
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10366 Posts
October 12 2011 20:11 GMT
#68
i want to see more TBLS as well

less games is fine, idk i think bo7 can still be epic like for a big finals

thanks for translating
Mid-master streaming MECH ONLY + commentary www.twitch.tv/yoshikirishima +++ "If all-in fails, all-in again."
sCCrooked
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Korea (South)1306 Posts
October 12 2011 20:13 GMT
#69
On October 13 2011 01:52 setzer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2011 23:18 sCCrooked wrote:
wait there are people in the world who want LESS brood war available?? o_O


Fans want bo5 because of instead of seeing Sun vs Flash or Jaedong vs Action they want top players to play against each other more in a smaller, restricted format. Progamers and coaches want more games because they can put in players with little experience and not jeopardize the match fielding a player of lesser skill.


I understand this quite well. My opinion is that I like the Bo7 format, I like seeing new blood in the PL because any other show they had showing the amateur scene has pretty much been declared "done". If there's no opportunities for new faces to shine through on televised matches, its safe to say that BW won't be lasting much longer than the current generation of top players.

I can see how people want to see only the best playing each other, but seriously does anyone remember all the bitching about so much FlaSh vs Jaedong matches? I didn't mind it, but apparently other people did. Oversaturate with nothing but the gosus and pretty soon they'll run out of tricks to show everybody. They already have enormous pressure on them and as someone who has spoken to several progamers, coaches, commentators, and managers face-to-face, I put it out there that they don't need a heavier workload than what's already being put on them.

I'm a big fan of the idea of cutting down PL matches per team per week. 2-3 matches a week is fine and would give the players a little more time to relax, practice, or whatever they want instead of being on a vehicle traveling somewhere where a large sum of money, your team's and your reputation is at stake, and the pressure of "win win win only win".
Enlightened in an age of anti-intellectualism and quotidian repetitiveness of asinine assumptive thinking. Best lycan guide evar --> "Fixing solo queue all pick one game at a time." ~KwarK-
chongu
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Malaysia2593 Posts
October 12 2011 20:14 GMT
#70
I think it's pretty much a win-win situation! Bo5 - More live viewers Bo7 - more games from which awesomeness can spawn. However, I do kind of miss the Bo5 format due to star-intensity, nostalgia effect and also the lack of any new rookies to have really impressed me. (Ssak and reality maybe meh)
SC2 is to BW, what coke is to wine.
Archers_bane
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1338 Posts
October 12 2011 20:19 GMT
#71
Bo7 is a must! more BW games = fun for everyone!
Starcraft's BW glory days have passed, RIP Jaedong's dominance - 2013...EDIT 2017: WE BACK BOYS
Assymptotic
Profile Joined February 2009
United States552 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-12 20:28:05
October 12 2011 20:24 GMT
#72
I strongly prefer Bo7 over Bo5. HOWEVER, I want a first team to 2 wins of Bo7 matches during the play-offs, and perhaps a first team to 3 wins for the grand finals. It was anticlimactic to see an entire years worth of tension between SKT and KT just to see it all come down to one day, especially when the other games preceding it in the play offs were played with a first team to 2 wins.
So close, and yet so far
OpticalShot
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada6330 Posts
October 12 2011 20:26 GMT
#73
All articles linked by BLinD_RawR are summarized now. Going to have to do some digging to find Kona's article which was awesome. Also I think I saw someone post a link in the previous pages, I'll look into it. Someone with good business and marketing knowledge should translate the Eclat one for sure, that one has some real good insights but I don't think I'll do it justice (infrastructure engineering FTW).
[TLMS] REBOOT
Ksni
Profile Joined September 2010
United States11 Posts
October 12 2011 20:32 GMT
#74
No more BW ever soon I hope

User was banned for this post.
Yuh
TheGlassface
Profile Joined November 2010
United States612 Posts
October 12 2011 20:37 GMT
#75
On October 13 2011 05:32 Ksni wrote:
No more BW ever soon I hope


Really?
At least try, come on man...
The mystery of life is not a problem to solve, but a reality to experience. **Hang in there STX fans!! Kal Hwaiting!**
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10250 Posts
October 12 2011 20:39 GMT
#76
BO7 plz... i hated BO5.

Keep WL, but no 2 rounds. 1 round is enough.
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Caos2
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1728 Posts
October 12 2011 21:18 GMT
#77
Thanks for the posts! I enjoy the Bo7 matches, but the 5-day week SPL and Winner's League are, specially the latter, ruining Proleague for me.
sCCrooked
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Korea (South)1306 Posts
October 12 2011 21:28 GMT
#78
Thank you very much for your work OpticalShot. Its people like you that keep BW interest alive.
Enlightened in an age of anti-intellectualism and quotidian repetitiveness of asinine assumptive thinking. Best lycan guide evar --> "Fixing solo queue all pick one game at a time." ~KwarK-
kamikami
Profile Joined November 2010
France1057 Posts
October 12 2011 21:31 GMT
#79
BO7 format is a must if this game is to be maintained as a sport. And many thanks for the news.
Khassar de Templari
Gann1
Profile Joined July 2009
United States1575 Posts
October 12 2011 22:11 GMT
#80
bo5, four times a week, 5 rounds.

Winners league completely separate from proleague, before the proleague season starts. bo7 for winners league

The reason I say bo5 is because it'll give us more ace matches.
I drop suckas like Plinko
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