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On September 01 2011 11:46 GoTuNk! wrote:
I think the way SPL is run must be changed. Having teams play each other 7 times a year to determine play off order seems retarded to me. There is basically nothing at stake at each game.
this.
there are way too many games for the number of teams.
the nba has a similar problem with number of games, and even then they play 82 games a season for 30 teams.
reduce the number of matches so that you play each team maybe four times, space out the games so that the season runs for a similar duration as it does now, and then maybe each game will have more significance.
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On September 01 2011 13:01 gesgi wrote:
Also, although BW is no longer being patched or in active development (right?), isn't it a bit fishy to have a development company sponsor a team in their own game? Kind of like NFL running their own american football team.
although i agree that blizzard won't be saving a bw team anytime soon, the nba are currently taking care of the new orleans hornets after their previous owner couldn't find a buyer and had to sell to the nba for a lower price because he was no longer able to meet the financial obligations of running the team. just sayin.
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Thanks for translating, it was very inspirational.
On September 01 2011 07:10 Manifesto7 wrote:
Thanks a lot for the article. He is a really amazing guy, and his comments help give perspective to what is happening.
If I were Blizzard, I would see this as a golden opportunity. Sponsoring one of the teams in trouble (or merging two of them) would be incredibly beneficial.
- Repair relationships with kespa
- Become a savior in the eyes of the Korean fan base (no pun intended)
- Provide a great marketing and advertising platform for reasonable cost
Just leave the existing management in place to increase trust, and boom, ultimate goodwill presence in an important market.
Wow I never thought of that. I would even buy SC2 if they sponsor a BW team ! Paradoxical eh ?
I hope a Blizzard representative reads Mani's post.
The main thing is that in Korea, BW players/fans outnumber SC2 players/fans, so giving Blizzard a very positive image in BW players/fans' mind is crucial for SC2's development in Korea, and as Mani said, this is a golden opportunity.
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On September 01 2011 07:10 Manifesto7 wrote:
Thanks a lot for the article. He is a really amazing guy, and his comments help give perspective to what is happening.
If I were Blizzard, I would see this as a golden opportunity. Sponsoring one of the teams in trouble (or merging two of them) would be incredibly beneficial.
- Repair relationships with kespa
- Become a savior in the eyes of the Korean fan base (no pun intended)
- Provide a great marketing and advertising platform for reasonable cost
Just leave the existing management in place to increase trust, and boom, ultimate goodwill presence in an important market.
That would be so good but I highly doubt Blizzard would do this. God it would be so great if they did
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On September 01 2011 07:10 Manifesto7 wrote:
Thanks a lot for the article. He is a really amazing guy, and his comments help give perspective to what is happening.
If I were Blizzard, I would see this as a golden opportunity. Sponsoring one of the teams in trouble (or merging two of them) would be incredibly beneficial.
- Repair relationships with kespa
- Become a savior in the eyes of the Korean fan base (no pun intended)
- Provide a great marketing and advertising platform for reasonable cost
Just leave the existing management in place to increase trust, and boom, ultimate goodwill presence in an important market.
And, more cynically, they'd have a large bargaining chip in future negotiations with KeSPA when the BW rights contract expires in two years (or when the SC2 contract with GOM expires next year, if they want to talk to OGN). I'd be surprised to see them actually do it, but it'd be a smart play, and I'm sure KeSPA will mention it unless they're already good on sponsors. On a flip side, of course, KeSPA wouldn't want Blizz to have that bargaining chip if they could avoid it. It's a complex relationship, there.
FXOpen could also be the out-of-nowhere dark horse, as they're trying to expand to Korea. They already bought a third SC2 team, but I don't know if that's an argument in favor (synergy!) or against (we just bought a team!) them doing it. I don't see any other western sources coming in, though. Maybe Intel, they sponsor every eSports thing they can see, but they have a $150,000 sponsorship of Boxer.
Korean Air, of course, is the name getting thrown around a lot for FOX. Anibox just became a gaming channel, so sponsoring a team in exchange for being able to broadcast a replace for the MSL (ASL?) would be a fantastic idea. Blizzard would also be pretty happy with that arraignment (because the same channel would broadcast a major BW tournament and the GSL. Let's stay far away from a quality debate, but a lot lot people in Korean watch BW and don't follow/care about SC2 than the reverse)
I'm sure they'll get a new sponsor. A BW team in Korea is still a lot of exposure, the only question is if they'll get as much as WeMADE/Hwasung/MBC were paying, or maybe a little less.
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Good perspective from a wise man. Even if BW downsizes and loses teams/players/mbc, it's still a helluva lot better than not having brood war at all. I'll be sure to enjoy whatever games we have left, whether BW lasts 1 more year or 10 years.
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On September 01 2011 07:10 Manifesto7 wrote:
Thanks a lot for the article. He is a really amazing guy, and his comments help give perspective to what is happening.
If I were Blizzard, I would see this as a golden opportunity. Sponsoring one of the teams in trouble (or merging two of them) would be incredibly beneficial.
- Repair relationships with kespa
- Become a savior in the eyes of the Korean fan base (no pun intended)
- Provide a great marketing and advertising platform for reasonable cost
Just leave the existing management in place to increase trust, and boom, ultimate goodwill presence in an important market.
Well intended but very naive.
Sponsoring one of the teams in trouble (or merging two of them) would be incredibly beneficial.
NBA is sooner to acquire an NBA team than this to happen.
- Repair relationships with kespa
What can I say, LOL??? Why would kespa want to have anything to do with someone who tries to run them out of business? Unless Blizzard gives the proprietary and operational rights of SC2 in Korea to Kespa, this aint gonna happen.
Blizzard HERO sounds too awesome though!
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On September 01 2011 13:30 zeehar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2011 11:46 GoTuNk! wrote:
I think the way SPL is run must be changed. Having teams play each other 7 times a year to determine play off order seems retarded to me. There is basically nothing at stake at each game. this. there are way too many games for the number of teams.
I seem to recall they tried to cut down the number of games per week before the 10-11 season, but that proposition got smashed along with a whole bunch of other healthy suggestions. More games, more visibility for the sponsors. Guess they're out of options now though.
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every damn thing he says is so spot-on. personally i regard him with extremely huge respect, and this is one of the reasons why.
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If anything, this article raised my hopes for another decade of Broodwar.
Thanks for the translation!
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I wonder if theres any possibility for GOMtv to get back into BW. They initially pulled-out/were shunned out when KeSPA decided to pull all their teams/players. With the current situation GOMtv could try to get in, possibly replacing MBCgame as the other "channel" or even maybe sponsoring a team.. it could make an eventual GOMtv + KeSPA transition in a few years a lot more plausible too.
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theres a cafe on naver which does weekly updates on game rankings in korea
according to that starcraft is ranked 22nd
starcraft 2 is 11th
most of the top 10 are mmos, some are sports (fifa2 online etc)
or sudden attack (korean cs...even though there is cs online in korea)
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On September 01 2011 22:41 evilfatsh1t wrote:
theres a cafe on naver which does weekly updates on game rankings in korea
according to that starcraft is ranked 22nd
starcraft 2 is 11th
most of the top 10 are mmos, some are sports (fifa2 online etc)
or sudden attack (korean cs...even though there is cs online in korea)
Where is this? Gametrics has SC ranked #4 for this week and SC2 is not in the top 10. I don't think you can see more unless you pay or something
http://www.gametrics.com/Rank/Rank02.aspx
I think I'd trust Gametrics on this
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A very heartfelt man with encouraging, sincere words. I will forever believe.
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Edit:
If the reason for sponsors withdrawing is due a lot to match-fixing and bickering, then it's actually GOOD news. People forget these things as time goes on, especially in today's world of instant new stuff all the time.
Personally, I think the problem with BW right now is marketing. They must "reinvent" themselves. It's no longer okay to just ride the old popularity on in today's environment. The scene really has gotten stale over the years as I haven't seen any major innovations over the years. This isn't basketball or football where it doesn't matter what you do as people will always watch. The sport isn't that entrenched so you must keep finding new ways to get people to watch games instead of playing MMORPGs, watch KPOP MTVs, and other stuffs.
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On September 01 2011 22:05 bokchoi wrote:
I wonder if theres any possibility for GOMtv to get back into BW. They initially pulled-out/were shunned out when KeSPA decided to pull all their teams/players. With the current situation GOMtv could try to get in, possibly replacing MBCgame as the other "channel" or even maybe sponsoring a team.. it could make an eventual GOMtv + KeSPA transition in a few years a lot more plausible too.
That's actually a really interesting thought. This does present a nice window for them, doesn't it?
My only concern would be that they're either using nearly 100% of their resources for the GSL, or that their contract with Blizzard could prohibit them from broadcasting BW. I hope that's not the case.
But I digress. The interview itself was really insightful, and this guys optimism is truly inspiring. He's totally correct; those who are fearful for the future of Brood War need only to look at its past progress to be reassured.
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Guys like him that have made BW the greatest game of all time.
MSL forever!
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The real "enemies" of BW in Korea are the MMO, according to gametrics it is always between the 3rd and 6th position, and SC2 has going down from 12-13th to 16th, the longevity of BW in Korea is just amazing (a miracle).
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On September 01 2011 22:41 evilfatsh1t wrote:
theres a cafe on naver which does weekly updates on game rankings in korea
according to that starcraft is ranked 22nd
starcraft 2 is 11th
most of the top 10 are mmos, some are sports (fifa2 online etc)
or sudden attack (korean cs...even though there is cs online in korea)
are you talking about the search hit one? cause that would make sense since BW is on a break. though as someone previously posted pcbang charts SC2 is not even close to BW in time played.
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Strong inspiring words. I feel a little more optimistic already.
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