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hp.Shell
United States2527 Posts
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Gotmog
Serbia899 Posts
The more bw-korean teams that disband, more of them will start focusing on sc2, hence we get higher level of play, better competition.... User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Orome
Switzerland11984 Posts
On August 28 2011 17:41 Gotmog wrote: Isn't this somewhat good ? The more bw-korean teams that disband, more of them will start focusing on sc2, hence we get higher level of play, better competition.... lol you sir just walked into the lion's den | ||
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ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
Dressed as a gazelle too. | ||
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Sawamura
Malaysia7602 Posts
On August 28 2011 17:41 Gotmog wrote: Isn't this somewhat good ? The more bw-korean teams that disband, more of them will start focusing on sc2, hence we get higher level of play, better competition.... yes that's why sc2 has lousy competition they are not capable of creating any heroes of their own , that's why they need our better and experience player ? That show's how wonderful the sc2 community is in majority when they have a mind like you . | ||
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
On August 28 2011 17:48 ShadeR wrote: I say SKT, CJ and Woongjin should promote their dream league teams in proleague. Dressed as a gazelle too. But the lion is allready full and isnt pleased to see the it | ||
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ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
On August 28 2011 17:56 Sawamura wrote: yes that's why sc2 has lousy competition they are not capable of creating any heroes of their own , that's why they need our better and experience player ? That show's how wonderful the sc2 community is in majority when they have a mind like you . I don't really mind it anymore. Every time an SC2 fan comes into BW forums wishing this or that player would switch, they pretty much just affirming that The Elephant in the Room is real and that nothing has changed since it was written. | ||
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lbmaian
United States689 Posts
From what I can see, as it is now, SK BW is in an unstable situation with no clear progression forward. BW continues to be the fan favorite, but sponsors are abandoning it. Meanwhile, they also notice SC2's relatively low popularity in SK, so instead of potentially "betraying" the SC1 scene and start sponsoring SC2, they may end up abandoning esports altogether. It's a lose-lose situation. I know that there are always going to be fanatics on both sides, with diehard BW fans that demand old-style UI and LAN, and annoying SC2 idiots on the other side. But I hope that HoTS fixes enough shortcomings to allow the BW and SC2 communities to merge together. Very wishful thinking, I know... | ||
ImbaTosS
United Kingdom1746 Posts
On August 28 2011 17:41 Gotmog wrote: Isn't this somewhat good ? The more bw-korean teams that disband, more of them will start focusing on sc2, hence we get higher level of play, better competition.... Please go away, we're all so tired of these idiotic comments. Not taking issue with the fact that current BW pros would increase the skill level of SC2 by about 20 times, but the fact that you came here suggesting that we should be happy about the idea. Hmm I'm still questioning the sources of these articles on various different things- seems like we're really short of concrete facts right now. | ||
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ImbaTosS
United Kingdom1746 Posts
On August 28 2011 18:09 lbmaian wrote: I honestly really dislike the discord between the BW and SC2 scenes, and wish there was a middle ground in terms of gameplay that both scenes would enjoy. BW is slowly dying, while SC2 gameplay has shortcomings. But if SC2 could have been the natural progression from BW (like SC1 to BW), then there wouldn't be all this drama, and teams switching over to the latest game wouldn't have become an issue. From what I can see, as it is now, SK BW is in an unstable situation with no clear progression forward. BW continues to be the fan favorite, but sponsors are abandoning it. Meanwhile, they also notice SC2's relatively low popularity in SK, so instead of potentially "betraying" the SC1 scene and start sponsoring SC2, they may end up abandoning esports altogether. It's a lose-lose situation. I know that there are always going to be fanatics on both sides, with diehard BW fans that demand old-style UI and LAN, and annoying SC2 idiots on the other side. But I hope that HoTS fixes enough shortcomings to allow the BW and SC2 communities to merge together. Very wishful thinking, I know... I just really feel like you don't get it... not wishing to be rude, but so many people have said this kinda thing to us. But we do not want to transition. We are not waiting for SC2 to be made better. We do not want to stop playing and watching BW, that really is the crux of it, and nothing can replace it- not SC2, not anything. So please stop saying it. It's already derailed a million threads. | ||
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lbmaian
United States689 Posts
On August 28 2011 18:19 ImbaTosS wrote: I just really feel like you don't get it... not wishing to be rude, but so many people have said this kinda thing to us. But we do not want to transition. We are not waiting for SC2 to be made better. We do not want to stop playing and watching BW, that really is the crux of it, and nothing can replace it- not SC2, not anything. So please stop saying it. It's already derailed a million threads. Sorry for derailing, but my point is that this all could've been avoided. And yes, I totally get what you're saying - you're one of the diehard BW fans that I mentioned. | ||
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Phyrigian
New Zealand1332 Posts
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KamMoye
United States721 Posts
this was my first season following proleague every day/week, all year long, and i do think there was some fat to be trimmed. too many undesirable games. but now if most teams can go 4+ deep instead of 2+ deep we get higher quality games and more intense competition. it may not sound intuitive but i think situations like CJ, where the A-team is stacked, actually helps up-and-comers. the only way you will survive is by busting your ass from day one or you'll never even get to play live. i'd rather have fewer teams and less frozens/really's/ggaemo's/[insert retread veteran here]. i watch SC to see the bisus, the efforts, the hydras, the horang2's, the killer's. | ||
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cascades
Singapore6122 Posts
On August 28 2011 17:48 ShadeR wrote: I say SKT, CJ and Woongjin should promote their dream league teams in proleague. Dressed as a gazelle too. Beware of elephants! | ||
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Sawamura
Malaysia7602 Posts
On August 28 2011 18:40 KamMoye wrote: personally i think this doesn't have to be a bad thing for SC. it's becoming smaller but judging by proleague finals ratings no less dedicated (especially considering we were jerked around for 2-4 weeks there). this was my first season following proleague every day/week, all year long, and i do think there was some fat to be trimmed. too many undesirable games. but now if most teams can go 4+ deep instead of 2+ deep we get higher quality games and more intense competition. it may not sound intuitive but i think situations like CJ, where the A-team is stacked, actually helps up-and-comers. the only way you will survive is by busting your ass from day one or you'll never even get to play live. i'd rather have fewer teams and less frozens/really's/ggaemo's/[insert retread veteran here]. i watch SC to see the bisus, the efforts, the hydras, the horang2's, the killer's. The one you quoted have already retired from the scene and I don't have problem with ggaemo and frozean because it's good to have young new rookie and problems with ggaemo ? Not at all because I like his style of playing zerg maybe it isn't really that S class but he is A class now in the Ace team . So i don't mind rooting for him and yes we all love all the top pro's but to only consider the top pro's are the best to watch all the time than you should watch Jangbi versus flash osl he maybe slumping but he gave us one hell of a surprised by eliminating flash 2-1 despite flash having a good recent streak against protoss and dominating that doesn't mean the game is already dead by just inserting flash into any match up and it's auto win . Starcraft takes lots of thing to take factor sniping build order,unpreparedness, surprise strategy can turn a game which could be a steam roll for bisu ,jaedong,flash fall to a no namer and that's what makes broodwar interesting .It's still changing I don't want to see bw to be dominated only by four players . It's time to see a revolution to let the new blood take the throne . So no, I prefer bw having lots of team and new players because with new players and team pulls in more interest and we may never know it would probably lead to more people playing the game again . With that I have never seen a game which is undesirable in bw except stork v ggplay 1hour 30 minute which is a torture  . | ||
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BobTheBuilder1377
Somalia335 Posts
On August 28 2011 17:41 Gotmog wrote: Isn't this somewhat good ? The more bw-korean teams that disband, more of them will start focusing on sc2, hence we get higher level of play, better competition.... Your in the wrong forums buddy. | ||
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Djabanete
United States2786 Posts
Also, why is it so hard to understand that some people just like BW better? I've never watched BW because it was the newest game around, I watch it because I like it. Jeez. On August 28 2011 18:07 ShadeR wrote: I don't really mind it anymore. Every time an SC2 fan comes into BW forums wishing this or that player would switch, they pretty much just affirming that The Elephant in the Room is real and that nothing has changed since it was written. You guys are being unfair. Ex-BW players have a HUGE head start going into SC2, that's why they do so well --- that, and most people who would be seriously interested in SC2 were already seriously interested in BW. Therefore the set of SC2 players who never played BW is very small and handicapped to begin with. It's not that SC2 can't create its own legends, it's just that the ex-BW players are numerous and way ahead of the game. And come on... If I were an SC2 fan, I'd be super hyped if Flash/Bisu went over to SC2. I just wouldn't be so insensitive and tell the BW fans it was good news for them. On August 28 2011 19:13 Holy Check wrote: I wish mods were at least as alert and trigger happy concerning spoilers in unrelated threads as they are the rest of the time. Use the report button. If you don't have one yet, sit tight. (Also there are threads where you can bring that up without being off-topic.) | ||
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Holy Check
Romania155 Posts
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thoradycus
Malaysia3262 Posts
On August 28 2011 17:41 Gotmog wrote: Isn't this somewhat good ? The more bw-korean teams that disband, more of them will start focusing on sc2, hence we get higher level of play, better competition.... your talking to the wrong people buddy u just walked into a tripmine  | ||
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Sawamura
Malaysia7602 Posts
On August 28 2011 19:13 Holy Check wrote: I wish mods were at least as alert and trigger happy concerning spoilers in unrelated threads as they are the rest of the time. It has been 24 hours over that jangbi versus flash and you are expecting people to not know about it and if you don't thats your fault . On August 28 2011 19:12 Djabanete wrote: Hope this is just a rumor. And if not, I hope a sponsor like Korean Air will pick up the team. And if not, I hope the remaining teams will draft these players --- if a good progamer (take Baby for example) ends up without a team, BW will be at an end. (Because then no new players will have an incentive to become pro.) Also, why is it so hard to understand that some people just like BW better? I've never watched BW because it was the newest game around, I watch it because I like it. Jeez. You guys are being unfair. Ex-BW players have a HUGE head start going into SC2, that's why they do so well --- that, and most people who would be seriously interested in SC2 were already seriously interested in BW. Therefore the set of SC2 players who never played BW is very small and handicapped to begin with. It's not that SC2 can't create its own legends, it's just that the ex-BW players are numerous and way ahead of the game. And come on... If I were an SC2 fan, I'd be super hyped if Flash/Bisu went over to SC2. I just wouldn't be so insensitive and tell the BW fans it was good news for them. You better back that statement with facts because most of the ex bw players that are in sc2 is not doing well not at all . Let's take july for example has his performance been good at all ? like nada ? I don't think so , that's already one down with your theory that all ex bw players immediate transfer to sc2 equals to dominating the scene . Different game , different timing , different feel its like from playing golf to base ball and a player who maybe has some batting experience tried to go pro from baseball to golf is not going to expect himself to be dominating the pgatour very soon . Likewise numerous comments that plague the bw forum when ever upsetting news come up like disbanding of teams ,closing mbc attracts lots of good forumers especially those in the interest in sc2 after all they want to reap the benefit of all the good players that we know . Selfish hoping isn't it ?. | ||
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