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pred470r
Bulgaria3265 Posts
On August 28 2011 17:41 Gotmog wrote: Isn't this somewhat good ? The more bw-korean teams that disband, more of them will start focusing on sc2, hence we get higher level of play, better competition.... This is like wishing your mother to get raped and give birth to a few children, so that you can have more siblings to play with. | ||
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SarR
476 Posts
On August 28 2011 17:41 Gotmog wrote: Isn't this somewhat good ? The more bw-korean teams that disband, more of them will start focusing on sc2, hence we get higher level of play, better competition.... You should not post something like this here. I tried to bring reason to this thread a few pages back and they wanted to crucify me for it. The love of BW is a religion in its own right and like all religions, is completely impervious to reason. Someone told me earlier to show some tact, advice I will pass on to you. For all intents and purposes, this is a grieving thread. Allow these people to grieve in peace because the truth is no amount wishful thinking and forum rage will prevent the demise BW korean progaming scene. The "coming together to pout over its inevitable death" is fast becoming the only refuge left for the die-hard fans of the Korean progaming scene. Let them have their moment Gotmog by showing some tact in the avoidance making posts such as yours. Like someone said, you walked into a lion's den. Just leave it alone. | ||
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tyCe
Australia2542 Posts
On August 28 2011 19:42 SarR wrote: You should not post something like this here. I tried to bring reason to this thread a few pages back and they wanted to crucify me for it. The love of BW is a religion in its own right and like all religions, is completely impervious to reason. Someone told me earlier to show some tact, advice I will pass on to you. For all intents and purposes, this is a grieving thread. Allow these people to grieve in peace because the truth is no amount wishful thinking and forum rage will prevent the demise BW korean progaming scene. The "coming together to pout over its inevitable death" is fast becoming the only refuge left for the die-hard fans of the Korean progaming scene. Let them have their moment Gotmog by showing some tact in the avoidance making posts such as yours. Like someone said, you walked into a lion's den. Just leave it alone. You're so dramatic. Anyway the above reasoning assumes that traditional BW teams, sponsors, staff, players and fans want to transition over to SC2 which is probably untrue for most people involved due to the negative stigma around SC2 in Korea. Still, there should be many significant transitions though. | ||
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Kanil
United States1713 Posts
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SarR
476 Posts
On August 28 2011 19:45 tyCe wrote: You're so dramatic. LOL I Wish. You want to see dramatic ? Go back to page 12 on this thread when I ignorantly started posted in this thread and read the astonishing levels of drama that ensued for my post. I could only aspire to be that dramatic. I learned the hard way there that there is nothing on this planet more dramatic that a die hard BW fan, especially one who's world is so threatened by a counteracting reality. My reply to Gotmog is honestly the way I perceive it. | ||
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hellbound
United Kingdom2242 Posts
On August 28 2011 19:42 SarR wrote: You should not post something like this here. I tried to bring reason to this thread a few pages back and they wanted to crucify me for it. The love of BW is a religion in its own right and like all religions, is completely impervious to reason. Someone told me earlier to show some tact, advice I will pass on to you. For all intents and purposes, this is a grieving thread. Allow these people to grieve in peace because the truth is no amount wishful thinking and forum rage will prevent the demise BW korean progaming scene. The "coming together to pout over its inevitable death" is fast becoming the only refuge left for the die-hard fans of the Korean progaming scene. Let them have their moment Gotmog by showing some tact in the avoidance making posts such as yours. Like someone said, you walked into a lion's den. Just leave it alone. Wouldn't this post suit a PM better? Because from here it seems that you are just trying to fan flames while using the act of reprimanding an ignorant poster as an excuse. Eloquent, maybe, but in poor taste nonetheless. | ||
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SarR
476 Posts
On August 28 2011 19:59 hellbound wrote: Wouldn't this post suit a PM better? Because from here it seems that you are just trying to fan flames while using the act of reprimanding an ignorant poster as an excuse. Eloquent, maybe, but in poor taste nonetheless. I honestly hadnt thought of PMing. But how is my post flaimbaiting ? Read it carefully, and honestly tell me if anything I said doesnt make sense. | ||
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Ikonn
Netherlands1958 Posts
On August 28 2011 19:42 SarR wrote: You should not post something like this here. I tried to bring reason to this thread a few pages back and they wanted to crucify me for it. The love of BW is a religion in its own right and like all religions, is completely impervious to reason. Someone told me earlier to show some tact, advice I will pass on to you. For all intents and purposes, this is a grieving thread. Allow these people to grieve in peace because the truth is no amount wishful thinking and forum rage will prevent the demise BW korean progaming scene. The "coming together to pout over its inevitable death" is fast becoming the only refuge left for the die-hard fans of the Korean progaming scene. Let them have their moment Gotmog by showing some tact in the avoidance making posts such as yours. Like someone said, you walked into a lion's den. Just leave it alone. Reason? You came into a thread of people sad that their hobby appears to be in trouble and you say something to the extent of "yeah it was always going to die eventually. Deal w/ it." It didn't add anything and it was something everyone was already aware of. So if that is your definition of "bringing reason", | ||
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hellbound
United Kingdom2242 Posts
On August 28 2011 20:01 SarR wrote: I honestly hadnt thought of PMing. But how is my post flaimbaiting ? Read it carefully, and honestly tell me if anything I said doesnt make sense. As you noted you've already shared your OPINIONS with the community in page 12. What you are doing is repeating yourself. This combined with your stating said opinions as some sort of irrefutable fact can and is (at least by me) considered inflammatory. Furthermore the fact that you are lingering in the lions den repeating yourself while advising others to give up on reasoning with the poor demented lion is rather hypocritical. | ||
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_Quasar_
Russian Federation4405 Posts
On August 28 2011 19:42 SarR wrote: You should not post something like this here. I tried to bring reason to this thread a few pages back and they wanted to crucify me for it. The love of BW is a religion in its own right and like all religions, is completely impervious to reason. Someone told me earlier to show some tact, advice I will pass on to you. For all intents and purposes, this is a grieving thread. Allow these people to grieve in peace because the truth is no amount wishful thinking and forum rage will prevent the demise BW korean progaming scene. The "coming together to pout over its inevitable death" is fast becoming the only refuge left for the die-hard fans of the Korean progaming scene. Let them have their moment Gotmog by showing some tact in the avoidance making posts such as yours. Like someone said, you walked into a lion's den. Just leave it alone. You're wrong man. This is not a religion, if only there was no threat of BW scene to disappear - we would not say anything bad about SC2 scene. And I just don't understand why anyone must accept sc2, just because many people accept. It's like a manipulation of mass consciousness, I don't like such things. In fact, I haven't heard any response from people watching both games that sc2>bw in interest of the games. And I've heard many responses that bw>>>sc2. And those people aren't even die hard fans, just casual gamers/watchers. But that's all ok, it wouldn't be anyway related to this topic, if BroodWar scene wasn't suffering because of this. And since it IS suffering, this is related to the topic... And about reasons. There were hundreds of reasons given not only to why modern BroodWar is deeper and cooler than second starcraft, but to why sc2 possibly hasn't enough potential to supersede it in any future just because of its engine, basic (and thus unchangeable) features. I don't think it's suitable to repeat it all there, there are specific threads for this. | ||
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hellbound
United Kingdom2242 Posts
And I just don't understand why anyone must accept sc2, just because many people accept. Argumentum ad populum, it's a very common logical fallacy. Saying that something is good (or true) because the majority or a large group of people think so. | ||
white_horse
1019 Posts
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SarR
476 Posts
However, I never thought it was a bad thing because I knew that I was being totally selfish. Who am I to want to stop progress just because Im more familiar with the old thing and just lazy or unwilling to get on board with the new thing. I mean it grieves me that its changing but you would never hear me crying about it because as much as it hurts, I have to accept the fact that this is progress. It just seems to me that people are being naive about this situation. These ideas are what influenced my 1st post in this thread. Its more graceful and not to mention healthy to just accept that progress means changes. You could look at any aspect of life and see this. You really think that when automobiles were invented that people didnt "cry" about it phasing out horses. Im certain there were people like this. Look at where we are today. What about the advent of modern media technology like email and facebook. Do you know how many "old folks" still complain about the world making this change simply because they unable to adapt by becoming more tech savvy ? But no one from our generation can live without facebook, skype, msn etc. It made communication easier. My point is, if we look at patterns of progress, in nearly all cases people have come around. It simply makes no sense why in this more enlightened age people still cry about change. Doesnt matter if its the invention of Airplanes or SC2 its all the same thing. You cannot convince the youth of today and adults of tomorrow to invest in a game that still uses sprite based graphics anymore than someone could convince you to use traditional mail instead of email, no matter how glorious and rich a past the "old thing" had. The world just doesnt work that way. My mistake in posting in this thread was the assumption that people here were this reasonable. I was utterly unprepared for the unreasonable reaction from what I believe are intelligent individuals here. | ||
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Autofire2
Pakistan290 Posts
Yes, I absolutely understand that BW is viscerally very important to a lot of people here but a ban? He wasn't being abusive or anything...or have I misunderstood something about the rules in the BW forums? | ||
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Ikonn
Netherlands1958 Posts
On August 28 2011 20:39 SarR wrote: My mistake in posting in this thread was the assumption that people here were this reasonable. I was utterly unprepared for the unreasonable reaction from what I believe are intelligent individuals here. Yeah this is the thing: you didn't bring any reason to the table. Your post was entirely useless and if you were reasonable you would have realized that it would only serve to antagonize people. Hey guys, this thing that you are all concerned about? It's happening, deal with it. What, you think this post is dumb? You're just unreasonable | ||
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white_horse
1019 Posts
On August 28 2011 20:39 SarR wrote: + Show Spoiler + My original point had nothing to with Sc2 being a better game or the depth of BW or anything like that. When the SC2 out, BW was thriving. There were clan wars, and endless tournaments on ICCUP. Korea's scene was as bright as it could be. All was right. Slowly though this new game started to usurp BW's brilliance as one by one, the movers and shakers of the non-korean scene at first started to migrate. BW started to die a slow death from here. I really didnt like this and sure I didnt want it to happen. I couldnt even watch(and still cant) SC2 because I dont get shit about whats happening. I dont know the units very well or what their roles are or anything. However, I never thought it was a bad thing because I knew that I was being totally selfish. Who am I to want to stop progress just because Im more familiar with the old thing and just lazy or unwilling to get on board with the new thing. I mean it grieves me that its changing but you would never hear me crying about it because as much as it hurts, I have to accept the fact that this is progress. It just seems to me that people are being naive about this situation. These ideas are what influenced my 1st post in this thread. Its more graceful and not to mention healthy to just accept that progress means changes. You could look at any aspect of life and see this. You really think that when automobiles were invented that people didnt "cry" about it phasing out horses. Im certain there were people like this. Look at where we are today. What about the advent of modern media technology like email and facebook. Do you know how many "old folks" still complain about the world making this change simply because they unable to adapt by becoming more tech savvy ? But no one from our generation can live without facebook, skype, msn etc. It made communication easier. My point is, if we look at patterns of progress, in nearly all cases people have come around. It simply makes no sense why in this more enlightened age people still cry about change. Doesnt matter if its the invention of Airplanes or SC2 its all the same thing. You cannot convince the youth of today and adults of tomorrow to invest in a game that still uses sprite based graphics anymore than someone could convince you to use traditional mail instead of email, no matter how glorious and rich a past the "old thing" had. The world just doesnt work that way. My mistake in posting in this thread was the assumption that people here were this reasonable. I was utterly unprepared for the unreasonable reaction from what I believe are intelligent individuals here. Except there really isn't any kind of practicality involved when someone says SC2 > BW because it's newer and shinier. If you look at BW as a sport, then what you say about SC2 being "progress" and "change that we have to adapt to" isn't right because people watch BW because it's fun and exciting. Tell me then, why do people like to watch soccer or baseball? Both are centuries old. They watch it because it's fun. BW is just the same. And corporations are not investing in BW itself. They are investing in the advertisement and publicity that comes with it. Do you know how much of a boon BW is to a telecommunications company like KT? They can nab more young customers. That's the whole point of sponsorship. | ||
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SarR
476 Posts
On August 28 2011 20:45 Ikonn wrote: Yeah this is the thing: you didn't bring any reason to the table. Your post was entirely useless and if you were reasonable you would have realized that it would only serve to antagonize people. Hey guys, this thing that you are all concerned about? It's happening, deal with it. What, you think this post is dumb? You're just unreasonable I generally assume that people would rather read one paragraph than twenty so I try to be as succinct as I can be. That post to which the extract you quoted belongs is to the point of my original post. | ||
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wussleeQ
United States3130 Posts
On August 28 2011 20:41 Autofire2 wrote: woah, Gotmog got banned for saying what he did? It was in poor taste but the guy, like me, probably experienced SC2 as his first competitive starcraft, knows it can be better than it is currently and wants some great players to come into that scene without waiting a decade. I mean, Flash, who I often hear is considered the greatest player ever, emerged fairly late in the BW scene right? Yes, I absolutely understand that BW is viscerally very important to a lot of people here but a ban? He wasn't being abusive or anything...or have I misunderstood something about the rules in the BW forums? There's been multiple requests from the mods to refrain from saying anything like "BW should just die and the pros should come to SC2". There have been many posts like this and all it does is rile up the BW side and pisses people off and pollutes this forum. Especially when he is saying that disbanding BW teams is a good thing. Obviously he is being incredibly insensitive to the BW side here as things have been incredibly morbid as of late with wemade gone, MBC no longer supporting a game channel and now this. | ||
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Ikonn
Netherlands1958 Posts
On August 28 2011 20:51 SarR wrote: I generally assume that people would rather read one paragraph than twenty so I try to be as succinct as I can be. That post to which the extract you quoted belongs is to the point of my original post. That's great but you're still under the assumption that any of your posts in this thread are in any way reasonable. I don't know if you've read any of them but you're basically just saying that things change and you don't "get" why saying, let alone repeating that doesn't help anything or anyone | ||
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
Just the thought of BW dying just makes me sad as fuck. -_- | ||
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