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Page 23. If I see any more BW vs SC2 debate from that point on you will get banned.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51103 Posts
August 26 2011 17:57 GMT
#341
On August 27 2011 02:54 KasdaTheEmperor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2011 02:12 Chef wrote:
But he's coming back.


Is Effort going to save esports?


no but I think Cho Hyun Min might.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
Nadagast
Profile Joined January 2009
United States245 Posts
August 26 2011 18:01 GMT
#342
Brood War please live!
Soap
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Brazil1546 Posts
August 26 2011 18:25 GMT
#343
On August 27 2011 02:12 Chef wrote:
But he's coming back.


With all the expectations and not as much hype.

I mean, you can tell by my team icon I'm happy he's returning. But while after his win it would be like "OMG HYPE HYPE HYPE he's the shit and we're totally having a 300 page thread even if he loses first round to Jaehoon", now it's another former champion attempting to come back. "So this guy was really good, can he still deliver?"

On August 27 2011 02:44 hellbound wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2011 02:09 Soap wrote:
On August 27 2011 00:56 ninini wrote:
The teams are probably dropping because they don't believe in the future of esports.


They dropped because they didn't make sense. eSTRO didn't even have a title sponsor, hite is an alcoholic beverage company and WeMade a small MMORPG developer. It's actually a testimony to the future of ESPORTS that there's even a shipping company on board.

BW feels in a drag because 1. the foreign scene died for good; 2. the korean scene condensed into "young men that are very good at videogames", it lacks storylines. The last time something interesting happened was when EffOrt reverse-swept Flash away from a Golden Mouse and then... he retires.


1. Since when do Koreans give a fuck about the foreign scene?
2. The fact that companies not directly related to computer gaming put money into it shows that it is mature as a sport (as opposed to razer, razer everywhere). How does it not make sense?
3. Sounds like you are an american wrestling fan... The main story of any competitive event is the best winning, everything else is a bonus.
It's amazing that for such a long post I disagree with every point you make.


1. They give a lot of fuck given PL finals were to be hosted in China, and yet I meant why we feel it's in a drag.
2. That's exactly what I meant with
It's actually a testimony to the future of ESPORTS that there's even a shipping company on board.

3. You can't read very well because every fiber of my body hates pro wrestling. I meant storylines in addition to the competition, not replacing it. Think SlayerS_BoxeR.

KiLL_ORdeR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States1518 Posts
August 26 2011 18:30 GMT
#344
probably ace
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Kznn
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil9072 Posts
August 26 2011 18:48 GMT
#345
This is sooo sad ):
Holy Check
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Romania155 Posts
August 26 2011 19:05 GMT
#346
On August 27 2011 03:30 KiLL_ORdeR wrote:
probably ace


Bite your tongue. If Ace is retiring it's gg no re. Ace is the soul of PL and I'm not even kidding.
infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
August 26 2011 19:33 GMT
#347
Some teams always have to do badly, that's what makes a league... don't understand those who say 'well it makes sense to disband cause they didn't win anything'..? Doesn't make any sense. They are still providing promotion for their parent company by competing week in and week out. The smaller teams will inevitably have the smaller parent companies. But it's a shame they are pulling out, and the teams are solely owned and controlled by the companies unlike say football teams.

The PL final just showed that it still has massive reach to a certain demographic, the TV stats were good. I suppose we can't expect every team to run indefinitely when it is only a loss, but if they made the team in the first place, surely it's still 'promoting' their brand to the same demographic just as much as it was before. Now this is the reason why an organization like KeSPA is a good thing, since it's possible prehaps in the future there could be structures in place for a sponsor to pass the baton as it were without any disbanding and free agent stuff.

The people running Proleague are responsible as well here, they should be approaching companies and making offers to try and keep their league actually active with teams. Make agreements with companies who have an interest already; Like ask Korean Air to run a team, and have OSL sponsorship for some seasons as a as part of it. I'm pretty sure there's gotta be companies out there at least willing to sponsor a small Wemade FOX sized team for Proleague.

Just an aside but SKT1 and KT are like the Chelsea and Manchester City of Starcraft and some of their actions have negatively affected eSports as a whole and reduced the competitiveness. Not to such a serious degree but still. There's surely still room for smaller teams.

It's not the end of the world though if there is no replacements, many leagues are of this kind of size. Let's just hope it stabilizes afterwords, the big companies stick around and have bigger teams, and eventually show that eSports is still a viable sponsorship platform. This out-of-season might be negative, but who knows what the next could be like. Let's hope for the best and TV ratings staying good and overall hype around the players and teams keeps up, and you never know: some new teams might pop up.
ninini
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden1204 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-26 19:34:54
August 26 2011 19:34 GMT
#348
On August 27 2011 02:54 KasdaTheEmperor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2011 02:12 Chef wrote:
But he's coming back.


Is Effort going to save esports?

One can hope. If he dethrones TaekBangLeeSsang and starts dominating like Savior, I'm sure it would bring a lot of new and old fans back. I don't think this is that far-fetched since he showed before he quit that he had the upper hand on both Bisu and Flash. With a bit of ZvZ practice with Hydra, and some consistency he can go really far.
StorkHwaiting
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States3465 Posts
August 26 2011 19:47 GMT
#349
On August 27 2011 04:34 ninini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2011 02:54 KasdaTheEmperor wrote:
On August 27 2011 02:12 Chef wrote:
But he's coming back.


Is Effort going to save esports?

One can hope. If he dethrones TaekBangLeeSsang and starts dominating like Savior, I'm sure it would bring a lot of new and old fans back. I don't think this is that far-fetched since he showed before he quit that he had the upper hand on both Bisu and Flash. With a bit of ZvZ practice with Hydra, and some consistency he can go really far.


I dno. Effort didn't have a following like Savior. I remember watching him from his infancy until his championship run and while people thought he was a great player, there just wasn't that connection. I mean, most people called him AlienZerg and thought he had really slick play. But that was about it. He's got none of the charm, charisma, ruthlessness, or god-like reliability like TaekBangLeeSsang.
Gentlebite
Profile Joined May 2010
United States132 Posts
August 26 2011 20:21 GMT
#350
When I thought it couldn't just get any worse than it already has
IntoTheEmo
Profile Joined February 2009
Singapore1170 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-26 20:30:13
August 26 2011 20:29 GMT
#351
I'm a bit wary of this since eton jumped the gun and said Lomo had retired when it was posted that he was going to negotiate his contract on a later date.

I mean if it's confirmed, why are we speculating? Spill the beans already and tell us which team it is. It's getting tiresome.
MMOs kill APM. However Proleague plus BW Proscene music increase APM -> 100. 이제동 Fighting! Highest ranked Jaedong owner in FPL10 = clearly #1 Jaedong fan~! <- Keeping my sig from 2010
Zeromind
Profile Joined July 2011
Korea (South)3 Posts
August 27 2011 10:54 GMT
#352
Make more teams
JD, Zero, Calm!
NicksonReyes
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Philippines4431 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-27 11:31:19
August 27 2011 11:26 GMT
#353
On August 27 2011 19:54 Zeromind wrote:
Make more teams

Yeah. I know it's easier said than done :/. The last time we saw a new team was ACE . Someone(Korean Air?) should get some Fox + MBC + Oz/STX/whatever team's players, then recruit some more(maybe players from the Hyungjoon forms a game team?) then start playing in the 2012-2013 season.

Anything for Esports!
BW Forever!!!
"Start yo" -FlaSh
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
August 27 2011 11:36 GMT
#354
On August 27 2011 20:26 NicksonReyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2011 19:54 Zeromind wrote:
Make more teams

Yeah. I know it's easier said than done :/. The last time we saw a new team was ACE . Someone(Korean Air?) should get some Fox + MBC + Oz/STX/whatever team's players, then recruit some more(maybe players from the Hyungjoon forms a game team?) then start playing in the 2012-2013 season.

Anything for Esports!
BW Forever!!!


I agree with meshing up all the teams that were disbanded under one team but they can do well without hyungjoon player . Overall it's nice to speculate which team is going under the carpet but than until the real stories gets announced it's better to keep this discussion low .
BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
August 27 2011 11:56 GMT
#355
On August 27 2011 05:29 IntoTheEmo wrote:
I'm a bit wary of this since eton jumped the gun and said Lomo had retired when it was posted that he was going to negotiate his contract on a later date.

I mean if it's confirmed, why are we speculating? Spill the beans already and tell us which team it is. It's getting tiresome.

There's a high chance it might happen, but there's actually no official announcement yet. Until the company actually announces it's pulling sponsorship, I doubt the media can publish the name of the company. The speculation started with the citynews article I believe (link was posted somewhere in the Wemade is disbanding thread), then Fomos picked up on the story.

Anyway, there's nothing we can do but just wait.
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Fatze
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Germany1342 Posts
August 27 2011 11:57 GMT
#356
sad news -.-
Comfort from bottles, cheers from beers the guitars are our weapons and we know how to kill!
ImbaTosS
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom1717 Posts
August 27 2011 12:48 GMT
#357
Official announcements seem to take forever to come out :/
EleGant[AoV]
IceCube
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Croatia1403 Posts
August 27 2011 12:57 GMT
#358
Well this is really sad news indeed. Hope something really good happens for Korean BW soon or else we could be faceing BW death for sure.
Forever Vulture.. :(
Klaca
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
318 Posts
August 27 2011 13:26 GMT
#359
On August 27 2011 04:47 StorkHwaiting wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2011 04:34 ninini wrote:
On August 27 2011 02:54 KasdaTheEmperor wrote:
On August 27 2011 02:12 Chef wrote:
But he's coming back.


Is Effort going to save esports?

One can hope. If he dethrones TaekBangLeeSsang and starts dominating like Savior, I'm sure it would bring a lot of new and old fans back. I don't think this is that far-fetched since he showed before he quit that he had the upper hand on both Bisu and Flash. With a bit of ZvZ practice with Hydra, and some consistency he can go really far.


I dno. Effort didn't have a following like Savior. I remember watching him from his infancy until his championship run and while people thought he was a great player, there just wasn't that connection. I mean, most people called him AlienZerg and thought he had really slick play. But that was about it. He's got none of the charm, charisma, ruthlessness, or god-like reliability like TaekBangLeeSsang.

No one has really had that irresistable charisma since Boxer and Savior. It will take another very reputation/look oriented gamer with the skills to match.
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
August 27 2011 13:31 GMT
#360
On August 27 2011 22:26 Klaca wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2011 04:47 StorkHwaiting wrote:
On August 27 2011 04:34 ninini wrote:
On August 27 2011 02:54 KasdaTheEmperor wrote:
On August 27 2011 02:12 Chef wrote:
But he's coming back.


Is Effort going to save esports?

One can hope. If he dethrones TaekBangLeeSsang and starts dominating like Savior, I'm sure it would bring a lot of new and old fans back. I don't think this is that far-fetched since he showed before he quit that he had the upper hand on both Bisu and Flash. With a bit of ZvZ practice with Hydra, and some consistency he can go really far.


I dno. Effort didn't have a following like Savior. I remember watching him from his infancy until his championship run and while people thought he was a great player, there just wasn't that connection. I mean, most people called him AlienZerg and thought he had really slick play. But that was about it. He's got none of the charm, charisma, ruthlessness, or god-like reliability like TaekBangLeeSsang.

No one has really had that irresistable charisma since Boxer and Savior. It will take another very reputation/look oriented gamer with the skills to match.

If only Bisu had more personality. Sigh. But actually, Stork might have taken on that role had he not failed so miserably against Fantasy in the previous OSL final.
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