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Famouzze
971 Posts
dude, it's a simple statement of fact. there is no toss unit or combination of units that counters lurker/scourge. there's just nothing toss can do outside of totally outmacro/micro the zerg. that's not right. there's a reason every zerg goes lurker/scourge, and i know u do it too  | ||
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Ghin
United States2391 Posts
On February 09 2005 16:55 Famouzze wrote: dude, it's a simple statement of fact. there is no toss unit or combination of units that counters lurker/scourge. there's just nothing toss can do outside of totally outmacro/micro the zerg. that's not right. there's a reason every zerg goes lurker/scourge, and i know u do it too Cannons do a pretty goob job. | ||
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Famouzze
971 Posts
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A3iL3r0n
United States2196 Posts
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pooper-scooper
United States3108 Posts
On February 09 2005 13:00 Aerox wrote: And also to fix the scourge AI, can scourge AI be fixed? Hopefully, coz I really hate the scourge unpredictably turning while slowing down before bumping into the unit. Maybe need increase the accel. Damn, it seems to be all zerg. The only reason not to implement these fixes would seem to be bcoz zerg are winning a lot these days which isn't a good reason at all. But anyway, I think the other races have their own optimization/convenience fixes but I can't seem to put my finger on them. I remembered there was another but non-zerg one. I can't seem to remember what it really is. For those who are about to request obvious balance changes, Bliz has confirmed that there'll be NO BALANCE CHANGES for 1.12. So, don't waste your breath, kids.  EDIT: So far we have... 1. Fix lurker to have hold button feature without use of overlords.(or remove the bug with olord.) 2. Fix scourge AI of slowing down before ramming. 3. Prevent change of allegiance midgame to prevent allied mines. 4. Dragoon AI has problem too?(saw this at bnet forums) 5. Fix lurker doing double damage at death. 1. Disagree, how lazy can you be, you can't find ONE ovie? 2. yeah thats annoying, and has lost me games 3. Sorry can't let this one happen, if you do that then it becomes IMPOSSIBLE to backstabb, which in my oppinion totally destroyes any game with a friend. Me and my one friend ALWAYS backstab eachother, and its the funnest part of the game. 4. Yes fix please 5. I like this feature | ||
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baal
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Chris307
3095 Posts
Unfortunately, unlike Allied Mines, it's quite easy to "accidentally" activate hold-lurkers. So it's just a lot easier to make it legal for tournament play. If it were illegal, we'd have so many arguments over invalid matches etc. And Zerg players would have to tip-toe around making sure they don't accidentally hold a unit group that happens to have a couple of lurkers in it. | ||
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SuperJongMan
Jamaica11586 Posts
And how cool would it be if they did something like War3 ladder cept not as slow? | ||
Arbiter[frolix]
United Kingdom2674 Posts
On February 09 2005 13:55 FrozenArbiter wrote: You suck. P's win on good maps. Give reach 1 hit KO storm and he'll never ever lose a PvZ again. I like it. | ||
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SnZ
Australia122 Posts
On February 09 2005 18:26 baal wrote: shut up all, detection to scouts, thats it, im a genius I second that, now Blizzard is CERTAIN to put it into the patch! | ||
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FrEaK[S.sIR]
2373 Posts
On February 09 2005 16:55 Famouzze wrote: dude, it's a simple statement of fact. there is no toss unit or combination of units that counters lurker/scourge. there's just nothing toss can do outside of totally outmacro/micro the zerg. that's not right. there's a reason every zerg goes lurker/scourge, and i know u do it too For fuck's sake, stop talking. "Lurker/scourge can't be beaten" bullshit. You must be a competely newbie if you can't beat lurker/scourge of all things, its not hard in the least. Don't even bother replying to this, you ignorant fucktard. You used to be good, now you know nothing. | ||
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Famouzze
971 Posts
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hasuwar
7365 Posts
On February 09 2005 18:30 Chris307 wrote: I think it's extremely obvious when someone abuses the hold lurker bug..I see you are under the impression that it works with any unit holding posistion, it doesn't. It only works with overlords. What are the chances that you'd have overlords, lurkers, and other units in the same hotkey, that you'd want to hold posistion, while your lurkers are burrowed.. I know it's never came up in my gameHold-lurkers is a bug. Unfortunately, unlike Allied Mines, it's quite easy to "accidentally" activate hold-lurkers. So it's just a lot easier to make it legal for tournament play. If it were illegal, we'd have so many arguments over invalid matches etc. And Zerg players would have to tip-toe around making sure they don't accidentally hold a unit group that happens to have a couple of lurkers in it. I think the main reason this is so socially accepted, is that some tards on wgtour didn't consider it a bug, "because you can do it in the game!" which is just soo god damn stupid, and then it became the standard of play | ||
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HiFi
United States518 Posts
i'm sure you know you can hold worker by combine select a marine/zealot/etc | ||
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RiSE
United States3182 Posts
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Hippopotamus
1914 Posts
On February 09 2005 18:30 Chris307 wrote: Hold-lurkers is a bug. Unfortunately, unlike Allied Mines, it's quite easy to "accidentally" activate hold-lurkers. So it's just a lot easier to make it legal for tournament play. If it were illegal, we'd have so many arguments over invalid matches etc. And Zerg players would have to tip-toe around making sure they don't accidentally hold a unit group that happens to have a couple of lurkers in it. How do you know it's a bug? | ||
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Gryffindor_us
United States5606 Posts
And the double lurker damage thing I think is needed. I mean, that seems pretty detrimental to me if they remove that feature. Whether or not it should be removed, I guess we'll see because Zergs will either be fine or they'll start dropping like flies in the leagues. Maybe I'm overplaying the usefulness but we'll see! | ||
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Johnny
Canada21 Posts
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Ilintar
Poland794 Posts
As a sidenote, I really really don't understand users who feel a compelling urge to throw shit at someone just because they disagree with their opinion. Having emotional problems? Go take a hike or w/e, don't spill your frustration over the internet, it simply sucks. | ||
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kaz
United States523 Posts
hey, guess what, burrowed lurkers can't move. if they're going to fix bugs, they should take a look at every problem that's been mentioned a billion times in other threads all over the sc community: scarab AI, goon AI, goliath AI, lurkers-stacking-on-ramps-and-getting-stuck, etc. -- bugs that are problems with the game's system leading to disadvantages that aren't the players fault. | ||
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