EPTOn February 09 2005 14:05 SuNDAnce wrote:
Just three words : Fuck the balance changes
I'm tired of threads like this.
Just three words : Fuck the balance changes
I'm tired of threads like this.
you seriously need to go back to school...
1.12 req. add lurker hold button w/o overlord. - Page 5
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EchoOfRain
United States516 Posts
you seriously need to go back to school... | ||
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EchoOfRain
United States516 Posts
On February 09 2005 16:06 Excalibur_Z wrote: If Observers had enough life to withstand a Scourge hit then they'd have like 40 shield and 75 life or something. If you buff them up that much you'd better make them 2 supply and give them a longer build time =] actually they would just need life 50 life and like 30 sheild, they take half damage from scourge, they still do full to sheilds. Im not exactly sure how the calculation works but i think they would survive that. And 80 life is nothing if you consider that 2 scourge cost the same and terran can build turrets for 75 minerals... | ||
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EchoOfRain
United States516 Posts
[QUOTE]On February 09 2005 13:55 FrozenArbiter wrote: [QUOTE]On February 09 2005 13:03 Famouzze wrote: personally i just hope it makes storm kill lurks in one hit again, pvz is totally imbalanced now. there's no way for toss to counter lurker/scourge. we need storm to kill lurks or comsat or something else.[/QUOTE] You suck. P's win on good maps. so u don't think tosses ever lost pvz until 1.08?[/QUOTE] First of all Reach is not toss in general, he has probably the most gosu storms of any toss player ever......and ya he might lose a game or two but he would dominate zerg without question. You shouldnt take everything so literally. The point is, your idea is retarded. | ||
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Guam3521 Posts
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EchoOfRain
United States516 Posts
On February 09 2005 15:00 eG)HeavenS wrote: rofl..i havent been trying to teach anyone about no fucking italics...i really could give a shit where ur ignorance takes u. im guessing this means no 1;1? way to use a double negative and sound like a dumb redneck --b | ||
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Famouzze
971 Posts
[QUOTE]On February 09 2005 16:53 Famouzze wrote: [QUOTE]On February 09 2005 13:55 FrozenArbiter wrote: [QUOTE]On February 09 2005 13:03 Famouzze wrote: personally i just hope it makes storm kill lurks in one hit again, pvz is totally imbalanced now. there's no way for toss to counter lurker/scourge. we need storm to kill lurks or comsat or something else.[/QUOTE] You suck. P's win on good maps. so u don't think tosses ever lost pvz until 1.08?[/QUOTE] First of all Reach is not toss in general, he has probably the most gosu storms of any toss player ever......and ya he might lose a game or two but he would dominate zerg without question. You shouldnt take everything so literally. The point is, your idea is retarded.[/QUOTE] oh | ||
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Twitt
United States733 Posts
On February 09 2005 14:05 SuNDAnce wrote: Just three words : Fuck the balance changes rofl | ||
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hasuwar
7365 Posts
On February 09 2005 20:36 Ilintar wrote: Wow..just wow. Long live WGTour adminsAbout the hold lurkers thing. I don't see any real reason NOT to do it. The main skill factor right now resides not in holding the lurker (come on, ANYONE can group a lurker with an overlord and press H), but with timing the un-hold action. You STILL have to press Attack or Stop to make the lurker start dealing damage. Sure it's a bug, but in case you haven't noticed publicly accepted bugs have a tendency of making it into the mainstream, Quake and strafe-jumping being one such example. So, why not do it in SC? As a sidenote, I really really don't understand users who feel a compelling urge to throw shit at someone just because they disagree with their opinion. Having emotional problems? Go take a hike or w/e, don't spill your frustration over the internet, it simply sucks. | ||
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Luhh
Sweden2974 Posts
On February 09 2005 21:22 EchoOfRain wrote: actually they would just need life 50 life and like 30 sheild, they take half damage from scourge, they still do full to sheilds. Im not exactly sure how the calculation works but i think they would survive that. And 80 life is nothing if you consider that 2 scourge cost the same and terran can build turrets for 75 minerals... The last time I played BW scourge did normal 110 damage. I mean why else is it that mutalisks have 10 health left after being hit by a scourge? it doesn't take 3 scourges to take out a mutalisk. Observers would need 111 hitpoints which is too much. Someone has mentioned that observatory could be removed, well I'm not too sure about that. Maybe. Where would the upgrades to observer go? Isn't the ebay pretty much full? Can all upgrades fit there? Plus it would mean that you have to build the ebay which is more expensive, and you can't research both shuttlespeed and observers at the same time. Or you could give sight upgrade for free, but then is it too good? Not sure about this one. But the cutest idea is of course to give scout the ability to, uhm, scout? Give them the speed upgrade in citadel and detection for free. It's still expensive and it's not all that great a fighting unit. +1 armor might be needed so that not most other air units are better than a specifically designed air superiority unit :/. Don't touch ground attack, it should be bad! We might see a lot cute builds with this detecting scout so I'm intrigued by the idea ^^. Lurker containment IS hard to beat if the zerg opponent os equally good as the toss. | ||
Waxangel
United States33360 Posts
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Energies
Australia3225 Posts
 .Reduce lurk hp, but give them a hp or ultra like armor upgrade at hive level .I'm newbie so when I get contained PvZ, I run to a corner and cry. | ||
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Geval
788 Posts
1. goon al 2. scrab al 3. all DA's abilities -25 mana coast 4. scout with detection | ||
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Geval
788 Posts
On February 09 2005 18:26 baal wrote: shut up all, detection to scouts, thats it, im a genius  you were not a first person who come out with this.... M2 did having said that, would you make stargate + scouts (in most cases you'll need more than one) or robotic+observatory+obs?? I think the second option is cheaper. Therefore, you would use scout as a detection only when you went sairs, but latter on you will have to switch to obs anyway. | ||
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x2fst
1272 Posts
On February 09 2005 21:57 Luhh wrote: The last time I played BW scourge did normal 110 damage. I mean why else is it that mutalisks have 10 health left after being hit by a scourge? it doesn't take 3 scourges to take out a mutalisk. Observers would need 111 hitpoints which is too much. Someone has mentioned that observatory could be removed, well I'm not too sure about that. Maybe. Where would the upgrades to observer go? Isn't the ebay pretty much full? Can all upgrades fit there? Plus it would mean that you have to build the ebay which is more expensive, and you can't research both shuttlespeed and observers at the same time. Or you could give sight upgrade for free, but then is it too good? Not sure about this one. But the cutest idea is of course to give scout the ability to, uhm, scout? Give them the speed upgrade in citadel and detection for free. It's still expensive and it's not all that great a fighting unit. +1 armor might be needed so that not most other air units are better than a specifically designed air superiority unit :/. Don't touch ground attack, it should be bad! We might see a lot cute builds with this detecting scout so I'm intrigued by the idea ^^. Lurker containment IS hard to beat if the zerg opponent os equally good as the toss. robo support bay? | ||
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Aerox
Malaysia1213 Posts
On February 09 2005 22:09 Waxangel wrote: it was cool when zergs had to actually work when they used lurkers, unburrowing and running away when stormed yeah, if they removed the lurker hold feature/bug but add an increase in burrowing and unburrowing speed would see to it. Then the one session lurker death psistorm can be allowed. | ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On February 09 2005 16:53 Famouzze wrote: so u don't think tosses ever lost pvz until 1.08? 1) It's not like that was the only change 2) The game is a lot different now. | ||
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Beast_Bg
Bulgaria1623 Posts
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gravity
Australia1847 Posts
On February 10 2005 04:59 FrozenArbiter wrote: 2) The game is a lot different now. Yeah, it's a lot different in that Zerg has a significant statistical advantage over Protoss in high-level play, something that doesn't happen in other matchups. Some sort of Protoss tweak against Z is needed (though 128 storms may or may not be too much). | ||
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kandyman
Swaziland665 Posts
On February 09 2005 21:28 hatedbymany wrote: Exactly lurkers burrowed cant move so why should they have an option to be held.. wtf? lol LOL? they CAN move underground like a worm... | ||
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Pafnucy
Poland1124 Posts
On February 09 2005 20:04 Gryffindor_us wrote: Hold lurker without having to use an overlord would be insane. Because, the incentive to use hold lurker is lessened by having to use an ovie and then I would have to look out for lurker ambushes EVERYWHERE. You would have to be so careful and your scans would run out too quickly. Terrans would never leave their base, at least not early game. eh? hold with ovie? doesn't always work. clicking lurker to attack a building in cloud works 100% and takes less time to execute which is pretty close to pressing one command. btw, both methods cause terrans never be sure where an allied lurk can be; estimate chances, know youropponent, someone slow can't spread lurkers around the map, allying and waiting for prey. | ||
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