[Thoughts]Balance change - Page 7

On January 05 2005 09:56 ProudCappi wrote:


Pro terrans were also fucked up. Pretty much only boxer managed to shine as a T.

On January 05 2005 09:58 Mindcrime wrote:


Boxer knew what he was doing, others did not. It's as simple as that.

On January 05 2005 10:07 ProudCappi wrote:
Do you seriously think that if the changes were undone the game would be more balanced!? You can't. No one is saying that the game is imbalanced other than bunker rushing besides chobo zergs.

And there is even dispute over the imbalance of bunker rushing, or whether it is just the maps.

On January 05 2005 10:44 ProudCappi wrote:
No, yellow has always been whining.

And turrets shouldn't cost the same as bunkers.

Zerg would be and was overpowered without the patch. Terran would be fucked early game without that.

On January 05 2005 10:54 pfff wrote:
you have got to be kidding me if you thought 1.07 was better balanced then 1.08

On January 05 2005 11:03 LetMeBeWithYou wrote:
If terran SCV drop hp down to 45 I demand Drones+Probe drop HP to 10 and cant regain HP over time

On January 03 2005 20:53 MrIncognito wrote:
I see nothing wrong with 8 brax SCV rushing. If it's annoying for terrans to whine about lowering SCV hits, it's more annoying that zergs act like it's their god given right to a free second hat without having to scout.

On January 05 2005 10:41 Mindcrime wrote:


Ah yes, chobo zergs who can't stop a bunker rush... You realize that yellow has claimed imbalance since long before bunker rushing became a fad. It's not that zerg's CAN'T stop bunker rushes, it's that doing a build that does stop them is detrimental.

Most of the 1.08 changes were fine. Here's a list of the stupid 1.08 changes.


Missile Turret:
- Decreased cost to 75 minerals. - stupid change. Only put in effect because newbie terrans bitched about lurker/dt.

Hydralisk Den:
- Lurker Aspect cost increased to 200 minerals, 200 gas. - fucking stupid change put in effect because newbie terrans couldn't stop fast lurk builds

Spawning Pool:
- Increased build cost to 200 minerals - again, fucking stupid. Honestly, what decent player had trouble against 4pool/6pool back then?



Obviously maps play a role.

On January 05 2005 11:10 RiSE wrote:

Don't even post if you're going to be that biased for zerg. Christ.

On January 05 2005 11:14 Lykathea[Go] wrote:
I'm a T player , in all objectivity such changes are almost impossible , if T is slighty better , it's impossible to change that by increasing or descreasing a simple unit HP .

On January 04 2005 20:30 Tien wrote:


If you think fighting terran using 1 base zerg is easy, than shut up and play good terrans using zerg, and go 1 base every game. See how many you actually win. You know why 12/3 positions are so hard for zerg? 2 reasons:
number 1 reason is because zerg doesnt have a fast expansion to work with
2nd is positions are close. So now that we have proven that zergs need a fast expansion just to be equal to a terran, lets discuss the other things you said.

8 rax is risky. Bullshit.

Standard build for terran: double rax
Standard build for zerg: Fast expo
Even start off

Terran going 8 rax has a higher percentage of winning every game.
Zerg going 9 pool has a very low percentage of winning every game.
Considering the other race is going STANDARD BUILD.

12 pooling every game starts zerg off at a disadvantage if terran goes standard build!

A rush build beats a fast expo build. True. But how many terrans do you see fast expoing compared to zergs????

See the disadvantage here?!?! Its so fucking obvious. Just connect the dots and put your ego aside.

All im suggesting is one thing:
- Increase bunker building time (these things build in like 2 secs)
Thats all! Is it too hard? I believe weakening scvs is too harsh against protoss. But since terrans dont need bunkers vs toss I believe this is fair.

I find it insulting that terrans believe it is their god given right to abuse advantages whenever they see fit and openly say it isnt an advantage.

In return for this minor change, I am perfectly happy to weaken the ultra/ling combo for protosses. Or make certain protoss units stronger so that they can fight ultra/ling easier.

Unlike you, im willing to admit to an advantage when I see one.

On January 05 2005 11:22 Mindcrime wrote:


It's hard to not be biased when zerg has won about 1/3 of the tournies toss has won in the past 4 years, and about 1/8th what terran has won.

On January 05 2005 11:23 Mindcrime wrote:


This thread is not about the overall matchup, it was about one facet of the matchup.