Beginning to add recommendations in the order in which they were posted.
Separated games into different lists: main list, "games w/o VODs", "games w/o VODs or TLPD entries", "games that might be worth watching" (for games that a significant number of people have voted not-worth-watching).
Demoted a number of games to the latter list.
Italicized category entries for games that are not in the main list.
Added template for the format of games in this thread.
2011-03-03: 11:25 KST: Added through game #35 (Boxer vs. Yellow in the OSL semifinals!) 2011-03-04: 9:57 KST:
Added "Using this thread" section with info about some details.
Added through game #40 (Savior off-racing in the MSL)
Reinstated game #7 on the main list after many people voted it worth watching.
Added some more categories.
2011-03-05: 00:40 KST:
Finished updating the OP with all posts from the first page of the thread (through game #42 [July going random in a pro-league game]).
Added "Contributing to this thread" section with details about how you can contribute.
2011-03-05: 01:27 KST:
Added TLPD links to the entries that were missing those.
Demoted game #15 (go.go vs. Pure on Blue Storm) to "Games that might be worth watching".
2011-03-05: 02:30 KST: Added through game #46 (UpMagic goes bio against Protoss).
Probably won't be updating again for a little while; have a good weekend!
2011-03-08: 05:12 KST: Updates since the last:
Incorporated all game-related comments from the thread through page 3 (added through game #53).
At behest of Bwenjarin Raffrack, added note about how it might be better to let Youku VODs buffer before watching.
Added references/links to Pimpest Play awards for games 37 and 38 (Boxer's nuke rush; Nada vs. H.O.T. Forever).
Archived games with 20 or more poll votes to reduce clutter and make it easier to find games that many people haven't watched/voted on yet.
Corrected mistakes in the listings of games #53 and #59 and in the description of #13.
Added bold red appeal to please vote!
2011-03-10 2:24 KST:
Moved game #28 (Baby vs. Fantasy) to archived section.
Demoted game #37 (Boxer's nuke rush) to "Games that might be worth watching". (People did not seem to like this one, probably because of the low quality of Boxer's opponent. Still, back in the day, this was one of the games that made Boxer famous. I guess it hasn't aged well.)
Added through game #63 (Jaedong using two control groups of mutalisks).
2011-03-15 0:10 KST:
Added through game #70 (Zero vs. Roro in a hive-tech ZvZ)
Added new categories "Facepalm" (for games that were recommended because of awful decision-making, etc.) and "Hive tech in ZvZ".
2011-03-19 01:30 KST: updates since last:
Began listing most recent updates outside spoiler.
Archived game #26 (Savior vs. TT: elimination race that comes down to a matter of seconds.)
Demoted game #27 (Garimto vs. St. Eagle: proxy robo) to "Games that might be worth watching".
Added through game #75 (Stork vs. Soulkey)
2011-03-22 06:41 KST: updates since last:
Corrected a couple of TLPD-izing errors caught by posters in the thread.
Expanded the description of games #33-35 (Boxer vs. Yellow in the OSL semi-finals).
Archived game #63 (Jaedong going mass mutas vs. Iris). (Protip: if you are new to this thread and want to start watching games, the archives are a good place to start: the games there have all been seen by many people and voted worth watching by a substantial majority.)
Added insufficiently identified game #11 (Oversky doing a proxy Hatch on Katrina).
Added through game #78 (Hwasin cheesing Jaedong).
2011-04-05 00:37 KST: Updates since last:
Added awesome banner by hacklebeast!
Archived a number of games.
Added link to Chef's playlist of archived games (link is under the archived section).
Added "Offensive Buildings" category.
Added note that category listings are not necessarily exhaustive (especially true of newly-added categories).
Added Korean VOD to game #11 (Stork vs. GGplay).
Added game identified by LightningStrike (game #77: Oversky proxy hatching).
Added through game #87 (Chalrenge vs. Lucifer: desperate elimination race).
OP is now up-to-date through page 4!
2011-04-05 10:55 KST:
Changed title of thread.
Added game #88 (Horang2 vs. Nada).
Demoted games #33-35 (Boxer bunker-rushing Yellow) to "Games that might be worth watching".
2011-04-07 03:35 KST:
Added through game #91 (Hwasin drawing Sea on Blue Storm).
OP is now up-to-date through page 5.
Capped size of game list at 50 games (see note below).
04:09 KST: Added VOD for what is now game #92: Boxer vs. a blind guy (VOD found by hoanglz in a different thread).
05:18 KST: Identified English-commentary VODs as such above the actual VODs.
2011-07-04 00:59 KST: Updates since the last:
Promoted games #33-35 from "Games that might be worth watching" back to main list.
Archived games #44, 49 and 92.
Demoted games #65, 75, 77, and 90 to "Games that might be worth watching".
Added through game #96 (Shortest Kespa-ranked game ever).
Edited notice about YouTube playlist of archived games to note that at any given time it may not be complete.
Removed old notice about game that was initially linked wrong.
Tweaked convention about games in category lists to mark archived games, games in main list, and games in "might be worth watching" list separately.
Updated all category list to conform to new convention.
Added new category for games where your vote is especially important--check it out!
Added note to suggest that you don't recommend games that have just happened, since one's judgment is often biased at that time.
Added note to clarify that you should vote on games based on the quality of the game, not of the video.
07:19 KST:
Demoted game #60 (Skyhigh cheesing Jaedong on Destination) to "Games that might be worth watching".
Added game #97.
12:04 KST:
Archived game #68 (Action 4-pools Fantasy).
Demoted game #59 to "Games that might be worth watching".
Promoted game #15 from "Games that might be worth watching" to main list.
Added game #98 (Boxer brings his A-(bomb) game)
Updated template to include links to LR threads.
2011-07-05 02:08 KST: Added LR links to post-2008 games.
2011-09-15:
Archived games #15, #61, #52, #46, #56.
Moved games #32, #90 to main list.
Replaced VOD for game #23 with YouTube version.
Added game #40 to category "Your vote matters!"
Added game #99 (Shark goes 1-hatch hydra against Goodfriend).
Added games #56, #16-18, #24-25, #45. #79, #87 to category "English commentary available".
Updated VODs to begin at start time.
Added Korean VODs for games #18, #24-25, #38, #56.
Added VOD for game #86 (it had somehow been omitted).
Identified English commentators, since not all commentators are created equal (of YouTube commentators, Cholera's the best).
Added category for "Miniatures" (games under 10 minutes).
2011-09-16:
Added game #100 (Kal vs. ForGG on Colosseum: reprise)
Took game #17 (Kal vs. ForGG on Colosseum, game 1) out of the archives to pair it with game #100.
Corrected labeling error in game #17.
Added semi-mystical write-up of the above pair.
Archived games #33-35 (Boxer's triple bunker rush).
Added games #101 (Silver vs. Shine on Monty Hall), #102 (Boxer SCV rushes Yellow).
OP is now up-to-date through page 6.
Thought better of semi-mystical write-up and took it out again.
2011-10-4:
Added game #50 (iloveoov vs. Yellow) to category "Your vote matters!"
Demoted game #15 (go.go vs. Pure on Blue Storm) to "Games that might be worth watching".
2011-10-31:
Re-promoted game #15 (go.go vs. Pure on Blue Storm) to archives.
Added VOD with subtitled translation of Korean commentary for game #63 (Jaedong redefining "mass mutas")
Demoted game #71 (Flash vs. Jaedong on Odd Eye 3) to "Games that might be worth watching".
Archived game #90 (Boxer vs. Cool [Fruit Dealer] in 2007 proleague).
Added games #103 (Kal vs. GGplay on Destination), #104 (Luxury vs. Upmagic on Outsider)
2011-12-24:
Fixed size of banner to match TL's new, wider format.
Demoted games #33-35 and #48 from archives to "Games that might be worth watching".
2012-1-3: Fixed formatting that had broken after TL changed how it dealt with spoiler tags.
2012-1-24:
Moved games #50 (iloveoov vs. Yellow on U-Boat) , #54 (Much vs. Bisu on Plasma) to the archives (apparently #54 got a big boost in views when the Artosis/Idra sighting was mentioned again!).
Added two quotations about the Artosis/Idra sighting to the "comments from the thread" section of #54.
Demoted game #85 (Jaedong vs. Really on Judgment day) to "Games that might be worth watching".
Updated the "Your vote matters" section.
Replaced Youku video for game #29 (Light vs. Mind on Polaris Rhapsody) with video hosted on YouTube.
2012-1-25:
Added game #105 (Boxer vs. Sheis, in a game that made Pimpest Plays 2007)
Renamed "Archives" to "Hall of Fame"--it's the same thing, but the new title describes it better.
Added another English commentary video to game #24 (Bisu vs. Pokju), courtesy of LightningStrike.
Split "Non-game-related remarks from the thread" into "testimonials" and "suggestions and criticism" and deleted the particularly uninteresting ones.
Retro-fitted game #2 (July vs. Best on Troy) with a "Comments from the thread" section and added two comments about that game being the origin of the "Bisu face".
Added [Lx13]TuSH vs. Rush)_Season- (a game that made Pimpest Plays 2002) to "Games without VODs or TLPD entries". There is, however, a replay file for that game available courtesy of SCLegacy.com.
Added Pimpest Play links to games #6 (Casy vs. July) #9 (EE HAN TIMING), #24, #44 (Chalrenge holds a draw on Nemesis), #101 (Silver on Monty Hall).
2012-1-26:
Added games #106 (double proxy war on New Heartbreak ridge), #107 (SlayerS_`BoxeR` vs. iloveoov in the OSL finals).
Added insufficiently identified game #14 (a hive tech ZvZ between Jaedong and Zero).
Added note tracking how much of this thread is covered by the OP. Currently it covers through page 7.
2012-1-27:
Replaced Google Video for game #24 with video hosted on YouTube, courtesy of LightningStrike.
Inducted game #23 (Midas vs. Hwasin on Andromeda) into Hall of Fame.
2012-1-31: Added game #108 (Nal_ra vs. July on Monty Hall). 2012-2-13:
Added English commentary VOD for game #52 (Chrh vs. Bisu), courtesy of LightningStrike.
Added Korean commentary VOD for game #49 (Zero vs. Hyuk).
Moved commentator IDs into label of "English commentary" spoiler, where applicable.
2012-2-14: Deleted mistakenly-included VOD of the wrong Jaedong vs. Iris game under "English commentary" for game #63. Thanks to sAw for catching my mistake. 2012-2-20: Demoted game #97 (Flash vs. Calm on Outsider) to "Games that might be worth watching."
2012-2-24:
Added insufficiently identified games #15 ("cutthroat game" between Fantasy and Upmagic) and #16 (Really goes optical flare against a Protoss on Matchpoint).
Added game #109 ('You may call it PvP').
2012-3-20:
Updated "Your vote matters" category.
Fixed minor formatting error caused by a missing endquote tag.
Replaced occurrences of misused word "set" with more accurate "game".
Replaced Aquafresh's synopsis of game #6 (Casy's fake expansion) with SchOOl_VicTIm's more succinct one under "what makes this game unusual"; added both to "Comments from thread" section.
Added Kleinmuuhg's and Arnstein's testimonials.
Added post to newly created "responses from OP" section.
Added a handful of # signs to make the formatting for multi-part VODs consistent.
Added game #109 to "PvP" category (of all games to have overlooked adding to that!).
Added game #110 (Hiya vs. Violet: 2 base carrier vs. 4 barracks marine) to list and to "English commentary available category.
Added quotations from Treeplant and garbanzo to "Comments from thread" section of game #16 (Kwanro sticking to drones).
Added quotations from ShatterZer0 and garbanzo to "Comments from thread" section of game #25 (Tempest and the hero dragoon).
2013-1-27:
Replaced many embedded VODs with links to VODs, because now that VODs load inside spoilers, the large number of embedded VODs was making this page almost unviewable.
Added testimonials from RaiZ and GreatFall.
Added quotation from Djagulingu to game #110.
Updated links to Pimpest Play write-ups to point to the Internet Archive.
Updated link to Chef's playlist of archived (Hall of Fame) games.
Updated "Your vote matters" category.
Moved game #40 (Savior off-racing in the MSL) to Hall of Fame.
Demoted game #96 (shortest Kespa-ranked game ever) to "Games that might be worth watching."
Added game #111 ("Use Your Illusion").
2013-2-1:
Moved game #32 to "Games without VODs"
Added note to game #41 to clarify that VOD doesn't show beginning of game.
Updated VODs for games #51, 53, 64, 73-74.
Added English commentary VODs for games #73-74.
Noted English commentary for game #78.
2013-2-3: Updated VOD for game #81. 2013-2-5: Added/updated English commentary VODs for game #81. 2013-2-6: Updated VODs for games #87-89. 2013-2-7: Updated all remaining VODs (including replacing embedded VODs with links, for faster loading of thread). 2013-2-9:
Updated template to reflect new format for VODs (links instead of embedding).
Added game #112.
2013-6-11:
Replaced private VOD for game #5 with an English commentary version.
Moved game #29 to Hall of Fame.
Moved game #66 to "Games that might be worth watching".
Added game #113 (a nail-biting base trade involving Savior and a Protoss on Neo Requiem) to main list.
Added anchor tags to all games for easy linking: just append "#G[GAME NUMBER] to the end of this thread's URL to link to a particular game. (This won't work for games inside spoiler tags, however, unless the spoilers are opened.)
Fixed messed-up TLPD-izing of Savior's name in a few places.
Added game #114 to list.
Added Guardians category (but didn't go through past games to populate it).
2013-6-13: Added better description to game #77. (Hwasin goes BFS against Jaedong). 2013-6-14: Added game #115 to Hall of Fame. 2013-6-15:
Replaced VOD for game #1.
Fixed poll on game #115.
Moved game #96 back to the main list.
Added game #116 to Hall of Fame.
2013-6-19: Moved games #87 and #92 to Hall of Fame. 2013-6-28: Updated VODs for games #21, #25. 2013-9-10:
Moved games #72, #37 to Hall of Fame.
Added game #117 to list.
Moved game #60 back to main list.
Updated YouTube URLs to properly use the time parameter, since YouTube changed the syntax for this.
Updated info for game #102, thanks to LightningStrike.
2013-9-13: Added additional VOD for game #4. 2013-9-23: Archived game #102. 2013-10-7:
Archived game #60.
Added game #118 to list.
Added clarifying description to "In your face" category.
Added "Categorize games" to list of ways you can contribute to this thread.
2013-10-8: Promoted games #33-35 to Hall of Fame again. 2013-10-22:
Promoted game #38 to Hall of Fame.
Added game #57 to "Your vote matters" category.
2013-10-25:
Added VOD of full game for game #41.
Updated original VOD of partial game for game #41 to stop at end of game.
Added category "10 Years Star Age" for games that featured in that retrospective and added games #1 and #41 (this is not an exhaustive listing so far!)
Added game #119.
2014-10-31:
Moved game #89 ("Commentator rambles about the benefits of monkey millk") to "Games that might be worth watching. It really wasn't a particularly interesting game.
Added game #120.
Added periods after every "vs" because I decided they deserve them.
2014-11-1: Moved games #78 and #82 to Hall of Fame. 2015-1-23:
Added game #121 to list.
Added category "Nuclear Warfare".
2015-1-24:
Added game #122 to list.
Added category "Low-economy".
2015-1-26:
Archived game #101 (Silver exploiting Monty Hall).
Added game #123 (Anytime using Dark Templar as his main army against a Zerg player)
2015-1-27: Added game #124.
REMINDER: When you are finished watching a game from this post, please cast a vote!
Preambling
Every once in a while, someone makes a thread about the best games of Starcraft ever, or the best games of a given year, or something similar. Those threads are useful, but they have the drawback that not everyone shares the same taste in games. Some people like incredible comebacks, some people like incredible beatdowns; some people like macro games, some people like cheese; some people like watching as close to "technically perfect" Starcraft as possible, some people like watching risky moves. That's why I'm starting a new thread with a slightly narrower mission. I'm interested in the most unusual games of professional Starcraft that you remember.
There are many games I enjoy watching, when they first come out. I can enjoy every kind of game I mentioned above. Most often, I simply like it when "my player" wins. If I want to watch a game that was played long ago, however, my taste is more restrictive. As enjoyable as a well-played game of Starcraft can be to watch, game after game of them can be boring, when the results themselves are no longer relevant. After all, there is a certain sameness to most well-played Starcraft games. That's why, if I watch a classic game, I want there to be something about it that sets it aside, that makes it different from the vast majority of other games that have been played: an unusual rush, an rarely-used unit, an offbeat strategy, or what-have-you. To be sure, it's better if the unusual tactic is not a total failure.
About this thread
This thread is for recommendations/VODs of such unusual games. I'll kick it off by posting a few games to begin with, and I'll keep this OP updated with the ones I/any other poster here find/remember and add to it over time. If you have any suggestions for making the thread itself better, post those too.
I intend to update this post with every game that is recommended in the thread. However, updating does take some time (tracking down VODs, neatening up the format, etc.) and I can't spend all day on TL, so for the foreseeable future, the OP will lag behind the thread. I'll try to transfer at least a couple games a day into the OP, so you can check back every once in a while if you want to see something new. You can always read through the thread if you want the most cutting-edge recommendations, of course.
I'm adding recommendations in the order in which they were posted.
I'll probably update the OP in other ways too.
Don't stress about recommending games that someone might have already mentioned in the thread--if anything, it's kind of cool when two people independently think of the same game; that means it's probably worth watching. If you're going to put a lot of effort into your recommendation, it's probably worth making sure that someone hasn't already done that, but otherwise, don't worry about it.
You do not have to use this template to post a recommendation in this thread. I will update this OP with every recommendation posted in this thread, regardless of format. I made this template mostly for my own use, in transferring recommendations.
The only essential information to include in your post is the names of the players and the map. If you don't include all of those, I'll still add the game to the OP, but it will probably go in the "insufficiently identified" section.
The above said, if you'd like to use this template, by all means do: it makes my job easier.
It's not all or nothing: you can use the template without filling out all of the fields--that still makes my job easier.
To use the template:
Replace ALL-CAPS TEXT with correct information if known and "?" or a blank if unknown/not applicable.
Re player's names: if the game is unusual because of one player's unorthodox play, name that player first; otherwise list the names in either order.
Re "ROUND (NTH game)", include that info if it's an individual league (since it's nice to know how much was at stake); for proleague it's not necessary.
For the date, I prefer the format 20**-**-** just because it's what I've been using and things look prettier when they are consistent, but this is not a huge deal.
For "What makes this unusual", the goal should be one or two sentences that tell people what sets this game apart, without spoiling more than necessary.
For the poll: please mention the names of the players and the map in the question of the poll. The reason for that is that is so that it's clear from the poll itself which game it refers to, to avoid possible confusion (e.g. if someone mistypes a poll number).
Template
PLAYER vs. PLAYER; MAP; [url=LIVE REPORT OF GAME]LEAGUE, ROUND (NTH game)[/url]; [url=TLPD ENTRY]DATE[/url] [url=VOD'S URL]VOD[/url] [spoiler=What makes this unusual?][/spoiler] [spoiler=Worth watching? (Poll)][poll]POLL NUMBER[/poll][/spoiler] [spoiler=Comments from the thread]FOR INTERNAL USE OF THE OP[/spoiler]
Categories
Note: italicized numbers refer to games in the "might be worth watching" list. Bold numbers refer to games in the Hall of Fame. Also note: except for the race match-up categories, category listings are most likelynot exhaustive (i.e. there are probably games that fit each category that haven't been listed, as nobody's systemically gone through these games assigning categories). + Show Spoiler [TvT] +
64, 70, 79, 112 Note: Not so long ago, hive-tech ZvZs were so rare as to be amazing every time they happened, regardless of the game's intrinsic quality. That's started to change, though, with great in particular leading the way towards mainstreaming hive-tech ZvZ, I'm not sure that hive-tech on its own makes a game unusual enough to be worth watching nowadays, especially if a whole bunch of them are all dumped together into the "unusual games" thread.
Reaching hive-tech is still a good sign that a game is interesting, of course, and besides, I don't want to start making unilateral decisions about what counts as "unusual" or "worth watching", even if I had watched all of these myself, which I haven't. What I'll do is intersperse these games throughout the thread, so if you're watching in order, at least, you won't be hit with a rash of hives, As for whether they're worth watching, I'll leave that to the polls as usual, on an individual basis: you decide.
Games for which one or two votes could be enough to change or cement which list they are placed in. If you'd like to directly/immediately affect the OP with your vote, watch one of these games (that you haven't voted on yet) and cast your vote! 15, 23, 33-35, 37, 41, 45, 48, 57, 60, 66, 74, 90, 91, 92, 103
Just grab any game that looks interesting and watch it!
After watching one of the games here, please take a second to vote in the attached poll as to whether you thought it was worth watching.
Don't worry about whether other people with different taste would like the game or if it was a "good game" but not as unusual as the thread led you to expect, or any other qualifications. Simply say whether, coming to the game from this thread, you found the game worth the watch or were disappointed.
Vote on the game, not the video. IOW, don't vote "No" just because a video's quality is bad or in a language that you don't prefer. The reason you shouldn't do that is that a better video of the same game might become available. Instead, in a case like that, the most helpful thing to do is to post in the thread about it, ideally with a better video if you can find one.
There ought to be enough games in the main list of the OP to keep you occupied for a while, but if you want to see more, there's also the list of "games that might be worth watching, at the bottom of the post. There's nothing wrong with these games--a lot of people thought they were worth the watch--there just wasn't enough consensus to put them in the main list. If you think that one of these is worth watching, make sure to vote it up--if the consensus on the poll shifts, it will be restored to the main list.
If all that still isn't enough for you, there are many more games in the thread that haven't been transferred to the OP yet.
If you're looking for a specific sort of game, check out the category lists above. I'll add more categories as time goes on.
Formatting
As far as the format of games in the OP goes, most of it is fairly self-explanatory, but here are a couple of points you may not have noticed:
The numbers of the games have nothing to do with ranking, chronological order, or anything else. They're there for easy reference and to help you keep track of what games you have already watched, if you are going through them systematically. For that reason, games will never be renumbered.
The link over the dates of most of these games goes to their TLPD pages.
The link over the venue (e.g. "Proleague") of some games (for the most part, games from 2009 and onward) goes directly to the LR thread of those games.
For the most part, the first player listed is the one who did something unorthodox. Of course, in some of these games, both players played unorthodoxly, or something else about the game was unusual. (It's also possible that in a couple of cases I accidentally listed the wrong player first.)
For the most part the VODs linked are from YouTube, but in a few cases there was no video available on youtube and the VOD is from Youku. VODs from Youku sometimes take a long time to load for some people, so it may be worth it to let them buffer for a while before starting to watch the game.
If you want to know who recommended a game, look at the "Comments from the thread" section--the first person listed there is always the first commenter (unless I added the game on my own, but there are are only a few of those).
The "Comments from the thread" section is also a good way to get an overview of how many people found the game worth commenting on (often these people recommended the same game independently, which is always a good sign). Occasionally there will be dissenting opinions, too.
Avoiding spoilers
This is a little tricky in a thread like this. After all, the focus of this thread is on cool and unusual play, rather than on nail-biting games where you don't know who wins until the finish. Also, many times the outcome of these games are famous. I don't personally think that "spoilers" actually spoil the appeal of most of these games that much, but if you want to try and avoid them where you can, here's what to do:
Your best bet, if you want to minimize spoilers as much as possible, is to go straight to the VOD without opening the spoilers about "What makes this game unusual?" or "Comments from the thread". You'll still probably have a sense about who wins it, since for the most part people like watching strange play when it actually works out, but that's not a given--in a few of the games here, the unorthodox player ends up losing. Also, of course, there are games in which there is no single "unorthodox" player.
If you're not sure whether you want to watch a game, and you're willing to take a chance on spoilers, open the "What makes this game unusual" tag. The goal of the description there is to tell you what makes this game unusual and worth watching, without spoiling more than necessary. In practice, there's a lot of variance: some descriptions spoil almost nothing at all; others tell you exactly who won and how.
Only read the "Comments from the thread" if you don't care about being spoiled at all.
If you'd like to contribute, there are a number of ways to do that.
Vote: This is the easiest thing to do (assuming you're watching the VOD anyway), but it is tremendously appreciated. People's tastes differ, and without people casting their votes, this could sprawl into a hard-to-sort-through collection of everyone's favorite games. The votes help discriminate between the don't-miss games and the games that are just good.
In terms of how to vote, it's simple: you've watched a game in this thread, expecting something unusual, or amazing or whatever you expect from a game in this thread. Were you satisfied? Vote "Yes" in the poll. Were you disappointed? Vote "No" in the poll.
Vote on the game, not the video. IOW, don't vote "No" just because a video's quality is bad or in a language that you don't prefer. The reason you shouldn't do that is that a better video of the same game might become available. Instead, in a case like that, the most helpful thing to do is to post in the thread about it, ideally with a better video if you can find one.
Suggest unusual games that you remember: The most important things to remember about them are the players and the map (otherwise, the game will probably go into the "insufficiently identified" section. Whatever you remember, though, post it in the thread--maybe someone else can remember more details. You don't need to worry about duplicating someone else's post (unless you are putting a lot of effort into formatting, in which case for your own sake it's probably worth it to make sure the work hasn't been done before). When I put a game into the OP, I'll give credit to everyone who posted about it in the thread.
I'd suggest not suggesting games that just happened--let's say, wait at least a month. The reason for that is that a lot of times a game seems really neat when it's just happened, but it's not so amazing that you'd want to watch it long afterwards.
Format posts: your own or someone else's. There's a template in the OP: the closer the format of a post is to that template, the less work I have to do when I transfer it. You don't actually have to do this, but it makes my life easier.
Track down VODs/Identify games from the lists of games missing VODs or insufficiently identified: This is really helpful.
Categorize games: The category section of this thread is rather undeveloped: there aren't enough categories, and most of them aren't fleshed out. If you've watched a game, and it occurs to you that it would fit well in X category (whether said category exists yet or not), that's a very helpful thing to post. If the categories become more thorough, they may eventually become a very useful tool for finding a game you are in the mood to watch.
Post any comment at all: whether you're seconding a recommendation, commenting on the game, disagreeing with something, or anything else. My long-term goal is to incorporate every piece of input into the OP, so don't think that your post is wasted.
The Hall of Fame contains games that received at least 20 votes and were liked by a significant majority of voters.
The main (unspoilered) list consists of games that fewer people have seen (or at least voted on) thus far.
"Games without VODs"/"Games without VODs or TLPD entries" are as before, and fairly self-explanatory. Note that VODs may be available for these games, on Youku or elsewhere: it's simply that no VOD for them has been posted.
Games insufficiently identified are recommendations/requests that people posted in the thread without enough information to immediately identify a specific game. Sometimes these are specific games that someone remembered vaguely without remembering all the basic identifying details (players, map). Sometimes, they are general enough to describe two or more games.
"Games that might be worth watching are games that were recommended, and often got many "Yes" votes, but also got a significant number of "No" votes. (If the proportion of "Yes" votes gets bigger, these games are moved back off this list.)
NOTE: As the main list of games continues to grow, I've decided to cap its size at 50, that it not be too overwhelming. All contributions to the thread are still gratefully appreciated; new games will be added to the OP as space is freed up by older games being moved to the Hall of Fame or to "Games that might be worth watching." (In other words, if you'd like to see more games added to the OP, you can facilitate that simply by voting for one of the games that's already there. [It doesn't matter whether your vote is "yes" or "no": when a game gets enough votes I archive it.] Please don't vote for a game twice, though. .)
On March 02 2011 01:49 StuBob wrote: woa, game 1 is EPIC
On March 02 2011 02:31 BLinD-RawR wrote: Howcome there is no mention of the other more famous RainbOw vs. cloud game where rainbow MCs an SCV and then pushes cloud with a zealot vulture tank army.
On March 02 2011 02:31 BLinD-RawR wrote: Howcome there is no mention of the other more famous RainbOw vs. cloud game where rainbow MCs an SCV and then pushes cloud with a zealot vulture tank army.
On March 02 2011 02:31 BLinD-RawR wrote: Howcome there is no mention of the other more famous RainbOw vs. cloud game where rainbow MCs an SCV and then pushes cloud with a zealot vulture tank army.
Because it's actually the same game. Yes, it's that epic.
On March 02 2011 14:41 SilverJohnny wrote: oh god I don't remember who it was against, but there was a game from a while back where RainbOw MC'd an scv and built up a huge vult/tank force in addition to his normal army, that was pretty damn silly.
On March 02 2011 14:41 SilverJohnny wrote: oh god I don't remember who it was against, but there was a game from a while back where RainbOw MC'd an scv and built up a huge vult/tank force in addition to his normal army, that was pretty damn silly.
Did you even read the thread? It's been mentioned MULTIPLE times.
On March 02 2011 14:41 SilverJohnny wrote: oh god I don't remember who it was against, but there was a game from a while back where RainbOw MC'd an scv and built up a huge vult/tank force in addition to his normal army, that was pretty damn silly.
Did you even read the thread? It's been mentioned MULTIPLE times.
settle down yo, I thought the game in the OP was a different one, my bad.
On March 02 2011 16:22 feaynnewedd wrote: Rainbow should have BC rushed!
On March 03 2011 05:23 Frobert wrote: RainBOw vs. ClouD is conclusive evidence that Brood War is a far better spectator game than its sequel. BW is beautiful.
On March 03 2011 09:52 Cyber_Cheese wrote: there was a game where P won vs T by mind controlling an SCV and turning it into a TvT cant remember its details now, but it was epic
On March 02 2011 03:23 KinosJourney2 wrote: Number 3 and 4 were awesome
On March 02 2011 18:39 Baerinho wrote: i got very very late in SC:BW, maybe 2008 started watchign vods on youtube, #3 on the list was the first event i watched a livestream and god was that tense and awesome.
Still would say that was one of the games that maade me totally fall in love with SC
Years past his prime, in a rare proleague appearance, Boxer deploys a bizarre strategy (might be summarized as "fail a bunker rush-->build supply depots all over the map") that has the commentators as well as his opponent completely baffled. Halfway through the game, however, it becomes clear that Boxer has seen deeper than everyone, and the seeming randomness of his opening was actually part of a calculated plan, tailored to the map. The VOD above includes a subtitled translation of the Korean commentary, courtesy of the wonderful FConnectionUK and co. and well worth reading, imho.
On March 02 2011 02:09 Kau wrote: Double proxy elimination race
On March 02 2011 02:40 gryffindor wrote: Kau's game is so epic talk about mindgames from memory, and bisu's micro is so good... I really recommend that one.
On March 02 2011 23:02 SchOOl_VicTIm wrote: Casy brilliantly fakes fast expansion by transferring scvs to the natural to gather minerals... without ever building a cc! July's overlord sees the scvs, thinks it's a fe build, prepares inadequate defenses to stop the 2 rax fast mmf attack and the game ends right there.
On March 02 2011 02:09 Aquafresh wrote: My favorite weird game was that one where Casy beat July by faking an expand and then busting his front.
He kept his overlord just outside of his natural with marines then sent a bunch of scvs to mine from the patches to make July think he'd taken it. Then he goes for a sunken break and just makes July look silly. I think he had like 1 sunken done in time haha.
Casy brilliantly fakes fast expansion by transferring scvs to the natural to gather minerals... without ever building a cc! July's overlord sees the scvs, thinks it's a fe build, prepares inadequate defenses to stop the 2 rax fast mmf attack and the game ends right there.
On March 02 2011 02:13 Kipsate wrote: Not my favorite, but very interesting. Holy world was a map which temporarily (I believe they removed it later, or destroyed ASAP) had an neutral command center in the middle. ZerO took the opportunity to make infested terrans out of this not-so-neutral command center later on. Using infested terran drops on Kal.
On March 03 2011 11:04 Aquafresh wrote: Also basically any of ZerO's games on Holy World
On March 03 2011 11:04 Aquafresh wrote: EDIT: Also basically any of ZerO's games on Holy World
One of Zero's games on Holy World is in the OP already; it got demoted to "Games that might be worth watching" because not enough people liked it. If you think it's worth watching, go vote it up!
On March 03 2011 12:27 tedster wrote: Haha how the fuck could people vote down ZerO vs. Kal with infested Terrans, that's basically the most unique game of the entire bunch and hilarious to boot.
On March 03 2011 12:27 tedster wrote: Haha how the fuck could people vote down ZerO vs. Kal with infested Terrans, that's basically the most unique game of the entire bunch and hilarious to boot.
On the other hand, that map was kind of begging for infested Terrans in ZvP. It was less a piece of inspired creativity than just granting the map's request.
On March 02 2011 01:49 gryffindor wrote: That Jaedong vs. Stork game on Katrina
This is the famous "EE HAN TIMING" game. Jaedong goes mutalisks against corsairs, with only the narrowest of timing windows before a critical mass of corsairs counters the mutas to oblivion.
On March 02 2011 02:07 Kibibit wrote: Both players played TERRIBLY but they were creative about it, and by god is it absolutely amazing. I also think mind controlled defilers, mass archon/dark archon, and pretty much every Zerg and protoss unit making an appearance to be sufficiently unusual.
This game regularly tops "best game of BW ever" lists. Warning: it's nearly an hour-and-a-half in length.
On March 02 2011 01:49 gryffindor wrote: I also remember a game where Sir@soni, in ZvT, used dark swarm to get gas for 2 scourge ..epic
On March 02 2011 03:12 gryffindor wrote:-sidenote, the guy he was playing there is the guy who lost to boxer in that epic TvT that everyone was raving about when replays first came out.
On March 02 2011 03:16 imperfect wrote: Kwanro vs. Really!
On March 02 2011 05:39 hacklebeast wrote: I am using my 1000th post to say that that kwanro game is absolutely awesome, and may be the sole reason I am a fan of his.
On March 02 2011 07:33 bITt.mAN wrote: I'm glad I could see that Kal-scouts on Colloseum, I was looking for it... TY
On September 15 2011 17:23 Elyvilon wrote: I'm grouping these games together because they are very similar and I feel like game 5 becomes more interesting after watching game 1.
On March 02 2011 08:45 Kyuukyuu wrote: Great vs. Bisu (also Free) on Medusa (both PL): Proxy hatchery, mass sunkens and lurkers to starve the Protoss out.
On March 02 2011 08:58 AssuredVacancy wrote: SPL free vs. great 2009-04-11 @ Neo Medusa [FORMATTED POST] Proxy hatch to mass sunken/spore contain, protoss counters by using mass shuttles
On March 02 2011 09:34 a7choi wrote: wasn't there a pvz on neo medusa? i THINK great and kal? not too sure. but i remember the zerg made a hatch for creep outside the protoss's base and made a ton of sunks/spores/lurks and the protoss couldn't break through.. anyone know what game i'm referring to? >< edit: nevermind. it was free vs. great and it's in the list ^^
On March 02 2011 04:18 MrMoose wrote: This list needs to include [HiyA vs. free] ... 3 port cloaked wraith opening TvP doing better than anyone could have expected!
On March 02 2011 04:39 gryffindor wrote: game above was definitely unusual...+ Show Spoiler +
but hiya lost, so it makes it cute rather than epic
There we go, ugh, I spent the last 10 minutes looking for it after that guy suggested it.
I was thinking Hmm, "HBR, and pvp, and I seem to remember that the two players were support players players..." My search list consisted of flying, jaehoon, and horang2, and was about to try movie. Glad I looked back to see if someone else was faster.
On March 02 2011 08:45 Kyuukyuu wrote: Base trade that comes down to one player running out of money for scarabs.
On March 02 2011 05:39 hacklebeast wrote: [Midas vs. Hwasin] ... very low resource battle. Specific instance of weirdness is using a barrack to hide a goliath from a wraith
On March 02 2011 08:45 Kyuukyuu wrote: Hmm, I can't remember exactly who the players were, but I believe it was a 2008 PL game on Andromeda, a TvT where both players did some weird kinda cheesy opening. It ended up as a base trade, and eventually 1 goliath hiding underneath a floated rax against 1-2 wraiths. I wanna say... Hwasin vs. Midas???
On March 02 2011 11:23 Jragon wrote: Excellent thread. Never seen this play anywhere else:
Pokju vs. Bisu; Sin Peaks of Baekdu; 6/25/2007 [FORMATTED POST]
In all honesty, it's funny, but it's the best if you haven't seen it before.
On March 02 2011 13:28 ]343[ wrote: Bisu vs. Pokju, Sin Peaks of Baekdu: [VOD] ... [One] of the greatest cheeses ever.
On January 24 2012 12:37 LightningStrike wrote: i found another english commentary for bisu vs. pokju it by cholerasc [VOD] This is the funniest englsih commentary version of the game i ever watched
On March 02 2011 05:55 Kipsate wrote: So after browsing and thinking over, I can only think of 1 more game which dropped my jaw [Tempest vs. Light] + Show Spoiler +
BBS vs. Goon+shield battery=32kills goon?
A true classic of course, prolly most people know it already.
On March 02 2011 13:28 ]343[ wrote: Yeah I know a lot of these are in the "best game" thread, because they're cool and whatnot.
Tempest vs. Light, Byzantium: [VOD] Dragoon > cheese.
On March 03 2011 01:03 ShatterZer0 wrote: I forgot who Tempest was playing, but that one game where he held off like 20 marines with the only "ManGoon" ever to exist.
On March 03 2011 01:03 ShatterZer0 wrote: I forgot who Tempest was playing, but that one game where he held off like 20 marines with the only "ManGoon" ever to exist.
On March 02 2011 06:25 Biff The Understudy wrote: One base vs. one base ZvP; ends up in an incredibly close elimination race, a matter of seconds. + Show Spoiler +
On March 02 2011 06:25 Biff The Understudy wrote: Savior vs. TT on Neo Requiem :-) ... One base vs. one base ZvP; ends up in an incredibly close elimination race, a matter of seconds. + Show Spoiler +
TT
ends up eliminated. I would have hanged myself.
On March 02 2011 13:28 ]343[ wrote: Savior vs. TT, Neo Requiem: [VOD] Elimination race.
On March 02 2011 17:02 SultanVinegar wrote: Also I remember when i was in korea seeing a really epic basetrade game on tv between a Zerg and a Protoss where nobody actually GG'd and the game ended due to elimination. I'm not sure exactly when it was but I know the map was from before my time (Before 2009 at some point).
On March 02 2011 23:13 Bwenjarin Raffrack wrote: For the last fifteen minutes neither player has a base. Their BC fleets circle (and circle) around the map desperately trying to eliminate the other player first.
For many, many years, BoxeR vs. YellOw was the most storied rivalry in the history of Starcraft (and therefore of all e-sports). Widely regarded in their heyday as the best two players in Starcraft, the two met each other in countless high-stakes matches. Each took games off the other, but Boxer was seen as having the edge when it came to winning the games that mattered.
The last major tournament that saw the two face off against each other in a high-stakes match was the Ever OSL in 2004. Owing to both the iconic status of each of these players, and their long and storied history against each other, their semi-final meeting was anticipated and hyped to almost delirious levels. The match was expected to be nothing short of "epic". However, Boxer, who throughout his career has delighted in defying expectations, had other plans. The ensuing match was one of the most brutal and short-lived in OSL semi-final history; certainly the most polarizing and controversial.
In RPS circles, they call this sort of tactic the avalanche.
AtomicPeace wrote: It's 2009. YellOw has gone two years without winning a KeSPA officiated match. Bisu is clearly a top if not the top Protoss. At the time Heartbreak Ridge favored Protoss in ZvP. YellOw brings back some amazing old school BW tactics in an epic showdown.
On March 02 2011 11:16 KezseN wrote: Should include yellow vs. Bisu, Old drop tactic worked against the revolutionist. Ah the crowd applause was just chilling.
On March 02 2011 17:08 [Atomic]Peace wrote: [FORMATTED POST] It's 2009. YellOw has gone two years without winning a KeSPA officiated match. Bisu is clearly a top if not the top Protoss. At the time Heartbreak Ridge favored Protoss in ZvP. YellOw brings back some amazing old school BW tactics in an epic showdown.
On March 06 2011 23:55 Crabman123 wrote: The Yellow vs. Bisu game may be the most awesome game I have ever seen. The crowd is just going crazy the entire time.
Boxer nuke rushes a no-name Protoss. (Bear in mind that this game dates back to the early days of Starcraft, before there was a "proscene" like we know today. Nearly everyone could be considered a "no-name", and the ones who weren't--like Boxer--made their names with games like this.) This game was one of the original "Pimpest Plays" of 2002: Click here for a more in-depth description and a link to a replay.
First recommended on March 02 2011 02:40 by Antoine, who wrote: how about monty hall, flash vs. bisu? although i'm hesitant to list it because the map plays to unusual games so hard
On March 02 2011 13:28 ]343[ wrote: Flash vs. Bisu, Monty Hall: [VOD] ... [One] of the greatest cheeses ever.
On March 04 2011 01:33 mnesthes wrote: You never really know the definition of cheese until you've seen this game.
On March 04 2011 15:45 Sigh wrote: Awesome thread, I was looking for that Flash vs. Bisu game on monty python for ages!
In his prime, Savior was one of the best Zergs of all time, but in this MSL game he chose to go Terran. Not to be outdone, his opponent shows off his style by going queen/muta/guardian.
On March 02 2011 02:28, [WoH]-RAGE wrote: savior switching to terran playing against gorush cause he lost confidence in his zvz and getting totally owned -.-
On March 02 2011 07:33 bITt.mAN wrote:... TheRock v. Chalrange on Nemesis how has this not been mentioned? DRAW PvP...
Rock vs. Chalrenge was not amazing .... Chalrenge just turtled into a draw, and Rock just sat there trying everything he could to break it lol.
On March 02 2011 10:38 bearbuddy wrote: [FORMATTED VOD] Chalrenge forces a tie with theRock by turtling on one base and mind controlling units as they come.
On March 03 2011 19:38 luckybeni2 wrote: Rock vs. Chalrenge? Can't get weirder than a pvp 10 base vs. maybe 3 and one guy staying alive by mind controlling himself an army
After falling behind in the midgame, chalrenge turtles up behind cannons, DAs, HTs, arbiters, and archons in one corner while Rock tries to break in with his own arbiters. + Show Spoiler [SS] +
On March 02 2011 03:35 awu25 wrote: i forgot who he played, but the one where Zero did a proxy hatch in the guy's main base and built zerglings i think it almost came out to be a slight base race
On March 02 2011 03:35 awu25 wrote: i forgot who he played, but the one where Zero did a proxy hatch in the guy's main base and built zerglings i think it almost came out to be a slight base race
On March 02 2011 03:35 awu25 wrote: i forgot who he played, but the one where Zero did a proxy hatch in the guy's main base and built zerglings i think it almost came out to be a slight base race
It was on Match Point.
EDIT: Oops didn't see it.
The game (i think) you are thinking of is zero vs. hyuk on matchpoint
once again, the vod i'm looking for is gone
On March 02 2011 08:45 Kyuukyuu wrote: Also check out Hyuk vs. Zero on Match Point for more proxy hatches. Om nom nom
On March 02 2011 07:33 bITt.mAN wrote: Game gets reduced to oov trying to micro out of 1 dropship to stop Yellow from mining with his last few drones, which are protected by lurkers everywhere.
On March 02 2011 07:33 bITt.mAN wrote: iloveoov v. YellOw U-Boat MSL finals Game gets reduced to oov trying to micro out of 1 dropship to stop Yellow from mining with his last few drones, which are protected by lurkers everywhere
On March 02 2011 07:47 LightningStrike wrote: ChRh vs. Bisu on Monty Hall 2007 Proleague ... Reason ChRh locks down a few dragoons in a epic game of the old champ [sic] vs. the new champ of those days
On March 02 2011 10:15 sushiman wrote: ChRh vs. Bisu on Monty Hall [VOD] + Show Spoiler +
Bonus game with excellent slow-pushing at the end!
The game itself isn't all that weird. The context and outcome is however. This was at the time when Bisu was considered probably the best player in the world (just two months after beating Savior in the MSL and only two months before taking his second gold against Stork). He was going up against ChRh, who had stopped playing in 2004, but joined ACE when it was formed while doing his time in the army, and had subsequently gone without winning a game for over 3 years. Needless to say, not many expected the outcome.
On February 05 2012 09:59 LightningStrike wrote: Here is a english commentary of ChRh vs. Bisu on monty hall by Cholera [VOD]
On March 02 2011 17:45 gchan wrote: [Much vs. Bisu] ... 1 base carriers in a PvP--and it's pretty effective
On September 15 2011 09:52 qrs wrote: For those who care: Artosis sighting at 3:08 of game #54 (Much vs. Bisu in the Incruit OSL). This was before he achieved his current height of fame and fortune. And is that a young IdrA next to him?
On January 14 2012 20:03 WerderBremen wrote: i want to mention in
54. (P)Much vs. (P)Bisu ; Plasma ; Incruit 2008 OSL, round of 16; 2008-09-12
at 3:09 you can see Idra and Artosis Their faces are just priceless <3
On March 02 2011 13:28 ]343[ wrote: Yeah I know a lot of these are in the "best game" thread, because they're cool and whatnot. ... Hoejja vs. Hiya, Roadrunner: [VOD] Bunker rush succeeds... then Hiya dies to drones.
On March 02 2011 13:47 Kenpachi wrote: LOL AT HIYA vs. HOEJJA. man i need to read the LR thread for that
On March 04 2011 15:12 ]343[ wrote: Hoejja vs. Hiya, Roadrunner, SWL 2009-2010: ...Bunker rush accompanied by 8+ scvs succeeds... but Hoejja responds in a jaw-dropping fashion.
On March 02 2011 11:09 Frigo wrote: What, no FireBatHero vs. Jaehoon on Eye of The Storm?
On March 07 2011 07:07 saint_fu wrote: Jaehoon vs. firebathero ... What seems to be a standard game becomes out of the ordinary by blunders from both players.
This game is amazing, features not one base race, but two, the main armies of both players, really never engage through out the game. The Korean commentators are at their best, and the game has a great ending.
On March 02 2011 11:38 Zariel wrote: That SKT vs. ACE game, jyj vs. ggaemo on aztec.
Might not be s-class play, but it kept me on the edge of my seat
On March 02 2011 10:05 prototype. wrote: I think people are starting to confuse unusual with amazing.
yea, there are already threads for amazing games i hope this thread stays on track and stays away from the amazing games and focuses on the unusual aka bizarre strategies
But what about all of the games that are unusual AND amazing?
Jaedong wields two control groups of mutalisks like they're his right and left hands. It's been nearly two years since this game was played, but I've never seen anything like it since.
Jaedong beats Iris with control 2 groups of stacked mutalisks microd SIMULTANEOUSLY. Iris literally died to pure mutalisks, even though he managed to squeeze out some science vessels. Insaneeeeeeeeeeee
Jaedong beats Iris with control 2 groups of stacked mutalisks microd SIMULTANEOUSLY. Iris literally died to pure mutalisks, even though he managed to squeeze out some science vessels. Insaneeeeeeeeeeee
How could I have forgotten about this one?! Yes, this was amazing.
On March 02 2011 23:33 zipz0p wrote: Jaedong 2-stack mutas against Iris in Winners League:
On March 03 2011 11:04 Aquafresh wrote: Action 4-pools Fantasy on pretty much the worst possible map for it. As expected Fantasy holds it off easily with a marine behind a simple 2 rax wall-in.
This is where it gets unusual read: hilarious. Spoilers incoming.
Action makes no more drones and instead starts hiding lings at his 3rd while dancing his surviving lings at Fantasy's wall. He actively denies scouting with his revealed lings causing Fantasy not to realize how all-in he truly is and move out with a control group of marines! Fantasy doesn't realize his mistake until it's too late and gets flanked by the hidden lings and loses his whole force. Action then goes to town on the Barracks forcing them to lift or die and runs into Fanta's nat, who is forced to make an SCV + 1medic/2firebat wall while he lands his Barracks in his main; getting off a clutch repair to prevent them from burning down. Action tries to poke through the wall by sending in lings to kill the SCVs out of the medics heal range one by one but with only 3 drones left he is forced to gg once he sees the lights on Fanta's Barracks start flashing again.
Pay special attention to Oov's outbursts of frustration with Fantasy and Actions "aww fuck it" body language.
On March 02 2011 11:16 Release wrote: I dont see Fantasy vs. Action
On March 03 2011 11:04 Aquafresh wrote: Surprised no one has done this one yet as it is fairly recent. [FORMATTED POST] Action 4-pools Fantasy on pretty much the worst possible map for it. As expected Fantasy holds it off easily with a marine behind a simple 2 rax wall-in.
This is where it gets unusual read: hilarious. Spoilers incoming.
Action makes no more drones and instead starts hiding lings at his 3rd while dancing his surviving lings at Fantasy's wall. He actively denies scouting with his revealed lings causing Fantasy not to realize how all-in he truly is and move out with a control group of marines! Fantasy doesn't realize his mistake until it's too late and gets flanked by the hidden lings and loses his whole force. Action then goes to town on the Barracks forcing them to lift or die and runs into Fanta's nat, who is forced to make an SCV + 1medic/2firebat wall while he lands his Barracks in his main; getting off a clutch repair to prevent them from burning down. Action tries to poke through the wall by sending in lings to kill the SCVs out of the medics heal range one by one but with only 3 drones left he is forced to gg once he sees the lights on Fanta's Barracks start flashing again.
Pay special attention to Oov's outbursts of frustration with Fantasy and Actions "aww fuck it" body language.
On March 03 2011 11:04 Aquafresh wrote: Fantasy vs Action; Judgement Day; 2010-05-11 Proleague
FUCKING LOL @ Oov's face, like "COME ON! wtf is this shit!"
Totally justified too. Fantasy did everything he possibly could to throw that away. I'd estimate Fantasy's boneheaded bio play has taken about 2-3 years off each of his teammates lives due to stress related reasons alone.
On March 02 2011 08:45 Kyuukyuu wrote: Oversky vs. some guy on Katrina: Another fun proxy hatchery game. Proxy hatches are just great all-around.
On March 27 2011 21:14 LightningStrike wrote: I found #11 on games with no little date. It is OversKy vs. Freedom in proleague on 12/7/07 on the map Katrina [VOD] + Show Spoiler [Reason] +
On March 02 2011 08:45 Kyuukyuu wrote: A proxy gateway, followed by a cannon rush, followed by targeting the proxy gateway with the cannon. Yeah that's right. [Note: it was not a misclick. It was an incredibly pimp play (its effect on the game was minor, but real). Not giving any more away.]
On March 02 2011 08:45 Kyuukyuu wrote: Movie vs. go.go on Heartbreak Ridge (EVER 09 OSL group stages, I think?): A proxy gateway, followed by a cannon rush, followed by targeting the proxy gateway with the cannon. Yeah that's right.
Base race into Lucifer frantically trying to find his opponent's last buildings while Chalrenge attempts to micro his last few Dark Templar and kill Lucifer's probe and cannons which are the only thing keeping him in the game.
Commentary by moletrap, hopefully that doesn't turn anyone away. It's a pretty entertaining game. Then again, I'm a pretty big fan of Chalrenge.
On March 02 2011 11:15 LightningStrike wrote: Boxer vs. Cool in 2007 SPL [FORMATTED POST] Boxer does a crazy rush vs. the now known sc2 player Fruitdealer aka Cool
This was a show match in which Boxer played against a blind guy who somehow had taught himself to play Starcraft. Boxer's handicap? He had to play with a blindfold himself for the first couple minutes of the game.
Recommended on March 02 2011 02:28 by [WoH]-RAGE, who wrote: boxer playing against that blind guy where he almost lost because he had to play blind himself for the first 2 minutes
Weird maps lead to weird strats—and occasionally the immortalization of otherwise forgettable players. His play against Terran on Monty Hall—as exemplified in this game and another against SlayerS_`BoxeR`, remains the only thing that otherwise-obscure Brood War player Silver is remembered for.
On March 02 2011 14:30 Titusmaster6 wrote: This might not be exactly "unusual," but when Silver came up with that specific zerg build (hatcheries down the middle with offensive sunken colonies) on that RIDICULOUS map Monty Hall, I thought it was pretty sick and haven't forgotten it since.
On March 02 2011 14:30 Titusmaster6 wrote: This might not be exactly "unusual," but when Silver came up with that specific zerg build (hatcheries down the middle with offensive sunken colonies) on that RIDICULOUS map Monty Hall, I thought it was pretty sick and haven't forgotten it since.
Does anyone know what I'm talking about?
i dont think anyone answered; if they did sorry. i did skim the thread though;
here's a VOD of the build. hatchery in natural into sunken into guardiansssss. pretty baller! [VOD]
On March 10 2011 05:00 tedster wrote: Silver's classic monty haul game:
On February 20 2012 08:40 qrs wrote: OMG, anybody who is remotely interested in the sort of games contained in this thread, you have got to see Flash vs. Best from the recent KT vs. SKT match. [VOD] I don't even know what to say about this one. I mean, in a way it's sort of the logical culmination of the playstyle that Flash has been using since the season began, but in another way, you've really got to see it to believe it.
To recommend this game from a different angle, if this bears any weight with you, I was getting tired of the games in this thread. As unusual as they may have been, gather them all together in one place and even these games started looking the same, most of them. Proxies, uncommon units, uncommon abilities, I'd seen it all.
I'd never seen a game like this one.
This game could have been theorycrafted by a six-year-old. It took Flash to play it. Go watch it already!
On February 20 2012 09:34 LightningStrike wrote: This game is indeed unusal due to the fact that flash 8 rax bunker rush 1 gate core to hell and sucessed on winning without a factory and only 1 rax of rines :o
On February 20 2012 09:42 iSometric wrote: Flash just had excellent game sense and practice so he can just fuck over whoever 90% of the time.
On February 20 2012 09:34 LightningStrike wrote: .... This game is indeed unusal due to the fact that flash 8 rax bunker rush 1 gate core to hell and sucessed on winning without a factory and only 1 rax of rines :o
Yes, from the amount of "no" votes in this poll and the one in the LR thread, it seems clear that lots of people didn't like this game, but I don't see how anyone could deny that this one is unusual. This game is to bunker rushing what the Jaedong vs. Iris game (#63) is to mutalisk harassment.
On February 20 2012 09:45 qrs wrote: Yes, from the amount of "no" votes in this poll and the one in the LR thread, it seems clear that lots of people didn't like this game, but I don't see how anyone could deny that this one is unusual. This game is to bunker rushing what the Jaedong vs. Iris game (#63) is to mutalisk harassment.
What you just said is very true it bugged me because i accualy thought it was a funny game and rec'd the game but alot people hate it due to extreme cheese and also makes me wonder how flash manged to just use 1 rax rines and still destory best as he shoulda made another rax so more rines can come and reinforce :\ but still amazing game play from flash+ Show Spoiler +
On June 28 2012 00:42 Agrajag wrote: I'm sure most Broodwar fans have already watched this game, but it deserves to be in this thread, and this thread deserves a bump. [Formatted post]
On June 28 2012 04:40 _Quasar_ wrote: Yeah, I thought about this thread too.
Yup, that's the game. I've made the formatting and I've found a compilation VOD "10 Years Star Age," some other ridiculous games in there too. I know I've watched all those episodes, but I can't remember the games exactly. The description on the video is basically like this thread. ... Edit: I would actually recommend people, who are really interested and haven't seen it yet, watch all of the episodes of "10 Years Star Age." Here's the playlist on the nevake account.
On March 02 2011 07:33 bITt.mAN wrote: Kingdom loses the Nexus in his main and can't rebuild it, on Arizona (I think, that map where the 3rd gas expo was sealed-off by half the resources of the expansion) Will he be able to defeat his enemy with a nadful of probes and about 4 dragoons, versus DT's, lots and cannons?
On March 02 2011 07:33 bITt.mAN wrote: ... Kingdom loses the Nexus in his main and can't rebuild it, on Arizona (I think, that map where the 3rd gas expo was sealed-off by half the resources of the expansion) Will he be able to defeat his enemy with a nadful of probes and about 4 dragoons, versus DT's, lots and cannons?...
Man, Kingdom vs. Zeus [sic] was amazing. Goon micro for ages.
On March 04 2011 23:35 c3rberUs wrote: There was that pvp game where Kingdom had his base cleared by a dt rush then w/ observers kills the dt's and goes for his enemy's base with everything not nailed down.
On March 05 2011 05:51 Southlight wrote: Kingdom vs. Rage
On March 04 2011 23:35 c3rberUs wrote: There was that pvp game where Kingdom had his base cleared by a dt rush then w/ observers kills the dt's and goes for his enemy's base with everything not nailed down.
On March 10 2011 18:13 ilovesin wrote: [FORMATTED POST] Pretty standard PvP until Rage manages to get DTs in to Kingdoms base from his hidden Tech and manages to kill Kingdoms Nexus seconds before he gets an Observer out. Kingdom takes all his Probes and Goon Zeal army and attacks. An intense Micro battle follows
On March 08 2011 20:22 popzags wrote: One player ends up having slightly more Mutas but no economy or Drones. His opponent has one Drone protected by Spore Colonies and 54 minerals. Epic enough, isn't it?
On March 08 2011 20:22 popzags wrote: About ZvZ suggestions...
HoGiL vs. ZerO ...One player ends up having slightly more Mutas but no economy or Drones. His opponent has one Drone protected by Spore Colonies and 54 minerals. Epic enough, isn't it?
On March 02 2011 08:30 AssuredVacancy wrote: I can't remember one of the players, but it was a proleague game a year(or might be in 2009), between Ruby and another terran, where Ruby was so ahead he started making like 20 starports pumping out wraiths. Can anyone remember this one?
On March 02 2011 08:30 AssuredVacancy wrote: I can't remember one of the players, but it was a proleague game a year(or might be in 2009), between Ruby and another terran, where Ruby was so ahead he started making like 20 starports pumping out wraiths. Can anyone remember this one?
On March 02 2011 09:21 RowdierBob wrote: Casy vs. Jy on Troy. It appears the vod doesn't exist anymore but Casy nuke rushes Jy's nat sunkens and cleans him up with MnMs after.
edit: Oh I found it (in French!). [VOD]
On March 07 2011 13:50 thedeadhaji wrote: Casy vs. Jy on Troy.
On March 02 2011 08:45 Kyuukyuu wrote: Horang2 vs. Light on Destination (PL): Send one of your first Probes into the opponent's main. Let it sit there for 5 minutes before proxying a gateway. Profit! Also includes an MVP performance by Ursadon/Pandabearguy.
On March 02 2011 08:45 Kyuukyuu wrote: Horang2 vs. Light on Destination (PL): Send one of your first Probes into the opponent's main. Let it sit there for 5 minutes before proxying a gateway. Profit! Also includes an MVP performance by Ursadon/Pandabearguy.
On March 03 2011 09:42 imperfect wrote: light vs. horang2 @ destination
a proxy in your opponent's main. [VOD] only from horang2
An hour-long PvZ, in the course of which the Protoss player uses nearly every unit available, including scouts, carriers, dark archons, overlords, guardians, queens, defilers, ultralisks, and a kakaru.
On March 02 2011 11:16 mR.bONG789 wrote: Kingdom vs. jju, you are the golfking msl i think, dont know date [VOD] kingdom mindcontrols EVERYTHING, he mc guardian, he mc overlord, he mc ultralisk, he even mcs a neutral critter. scouts and carriers also make an appearance
kingdom mindcontrols EVERYTHING, he mc guardian, he mc overlord, he mc ultralisk, he even mcs a neutral critter. scouts and carriers also make an appearance
just bumping my kingdom game cos i really think it deserves to be watched. my post seems to have been overlooked completely =(
kingdom mindcontrols EVERYTHING, he mc guardian, he mc overlord, he mc ultralisk, he even mcs a neutral critter. scouts and carriers also make an appearance
just bumping my kingdom game cos i really think it deserves to be watched. my post seems to have been overlooked completely =(
I'm recommending these games as a pair. The similarities are striking. Each is a high-stakes MSL game. Each is a ZvZ involving Calm. In each, Calm opens 12-hatch. In each, Calm's opponent selects the same seemingly hard counter. In one game, this opponent is Kwanro; in one, it is Jaedong. And, precisely there, the similarities end.
Jaedong goes balls to the wall in a high-stakes MSL game. Although this game was exciting at the time, it has more interest as a counterpoint to the previous game (Kwanro vs. Calm) than as a stand-alone game, so watch that first.
On March 20 2011 03:44 Xeofreestyler wrote: Early game will have you on the edge of your seat, rest of the game will make you wonder if it's really tvp you're watching.
On March 20 2011 03:44 Xeofreestyler wrote: Iris vs. Bisu on byzantium 3!
Early game will have you on the edge of your seat, rest of the game will make you wonder if it's really tvp you're watching. [VOD]
On March 02 2011 09:50 PlaguedArchon wrote: Can anyone find a PvT Im looking for. I think its Stork [sic] vs. Iris On byzantium Stork [sic] proxies a robo in the middle of the map and does reaver harass and an elevator.
10. "Can anyone find a PvT Im looking for. I think its Stork vs. Iris On byzantium Stork proxies a robo in the middle of the map and does reaver harass and an elevator.": PlaguedArchon
On March 02 2011 08:45 Kyuukyuu wrote: Flying vs. EffOrt on Heartbreak Ridge (PL): An Arbiter kills a hatchery. Later, a Dark Archon maelstroms an Ultra drop. Just another PvZ for Flying.
On March 02 2011 17:02 SultanVinegar wrote: How about the game where Flying used arbiters against a zerg.
On March 02 2011 08:45 Kyuukyuu wrote: Stork vs. Jaedong on Central Plains (PL ace match): More people cheesing the Dong -_-. 3 gateways in the Zerg natural is just how Stork rolls.
On March 02 2011 08:45 Kyuukyuu wrote: Daezang vs. Really on Medusa (PL): An ACE veteran taking out one of the best TvPers at the time with a hero Reaver.
On March 03 2011 04:23 dRaW wrote: You guys are missing one of the most epic cheese games Horang2 vs. Nada on Heartbreak ridge.
Horang2 goes for his usual cheesy tactics by manner pylon followed my 2 gates in nada's mineral line. Then proceeds by proxing a cybernetics core and making a SECOND cybernetics core in his main. He hides his dark templar tech with his first cyber core and nada scouts horang2's main only to see the second core just finishing (followed by +1 air wep). The game turns into a macrofest.
On April 01 2011 15:33 dRaW wrote: horang2 vs. nada on HBR in MSL I think, someone needs to link it should be here
On March 02 2011 12:41 SnowFantasy wrote: Well, looks like no one needs to watch my stream anymore for unusual strats. People thought I actually made this stuff up on my own lol
On March 02 2011 13:42 RowdierBob wrote: Haha, this one is best: Shark vs. Goodfriend on Sin Pioneer Period. Shark wins a TvZ with a 1 hatch ling+slow hydra rush [VOD]
17 & 100: Another set of games that are best watched as a pair. (The first one had initially been recommended on its own, accounting for the discrepancy in numbering.) + Show Spoiler [What makes these games unusual?] +
This thread features many unusual games, some of which are more memorable than others, but one of the games that has managed to endure in people's memories throughout the years is "that Kal against Forgg game on Colosseum". The particular intersection of strategies in that game, and the way that they played out created the Starcraft equivalent of a blue moon: not merely an entertaining rarity, like a hive-tech ZvZ or proxy buildings in the opponent's natural, but a strategy that--while apparently valid--appears to have been a once-in-a-lifetime event. It is perhaps best comparable to game #6 of this thread: a particular strategy, tailored towards a particular situation, that is the subject of occasional Theorycraft but seems to have no reality in the world of professional Starcraft. Like the Loch Ness monster, it is a mythic creature, whose unexpected, unforgettable sighting is glimpsed with disbelief--but remembered forever. If you were there, you know it, and even now, years later, after one too many beers at the bar, those old-timers who were there at the time can be heard to mumble into their cups, "Remember that game, Kal vs. Forgg, on Colosseum? He used--" and if the fellow that they're talking to happens to be an old-timer himself, he'll cut them off with an impatient twitch of the hand. "Remember? How could I forget?" It's that sort of game.
Which is why most people can be forgiven for forgetting that there were actually two of them.
It's easier than it sounds to forget things like that. Memories blur together, and so, even more so, does myth. Two games, of about the same length, with the same strategies, on the same map, between the same players, in the same round of the same Starleague, on the same day: it's easy for the mind to merge them. The Game transcends its context, so much so that people can forget that context: that it was a pivotal game, even a decisive one, that it took place in the Quarterfinal round of a Starleague much remembered for the shocking upsets that would follow, that the winner of this match would go on to stun the mighty Jaedong himself in a final whose outcome virtually no one saw coming--even that it was not one game, but two.
But this is the way of things. The Wheels of Starleagues turn, and champions come and pass, leaving only memories that become legend. Legend fades to myth, and myth preserves only the heart of things. Was there one game or two: does it even matter? Yet two games they were--and what two games! In the bare span of a couple hours on one distant June afternoon, they posed point and tantalizing counterpoint to one of the last imponderables in the philosophy of Brood War.
On March 02 2011 07:33 bITt.mAN wrote: I'm glad I could see that Kal-scouts on Colloseum, I was looking for it... TY
On September 15 2011 17:23 Elyvilon wrote: I'm grouping these games together because they are very similar and I feel like game 5 becomes more interesting after watching game 1.
On September 15 2011 17:23 Elyvilon wrote: I'm grouping these games together because they are very similar and I feel like game 5 becomes more interesting after watching game 1.
On March 02 2011 15:23 Ideas wrote: Kal vs. GGPlay @ destination: [VOD] the best way to comeback from getting your back mineral entrance mined out is to mine out THEIR back mineral!
A double proxy leads into an unusual game of guerilla warfare: featuring cannon pushes, cannon contains, pylon sniping, double shield batteries, and more.
On March 02 2011 17:51 Goragoth wrote: I swear Protoss makes for the most weird/unusual games. The number of bizarre PvPs I've seen... Tazza vs. Jaehoon on HBR was pretty funny too. Damn HBR was a great map for unusual games.
On March 02 2011 18:29 HwangjaeTerran wrote: Oov is 2-1 down in the finals against BoxeR and decides to bio rush him. BoxeR loses horribly in the initial clash, still turns it into a close game.
Performing: powerful Pure, presiding over the proud Protoss, plays puissant Protoss Premier Pusan in the Proleague Playoffs. Pusan proactively posts his preliminary probe to put up a proxy. Provoked, Pure parries proxy with proxy, and play proceeds with predictable precision. Positively, this paragraph grows protracted, so without prolonging my peroration, let me simply add that it is my pleasure to present: the paradigmatic PvP.
On March 02 2011 22:15 sixfour wrote: Just read the first page, how about that PvP in the proleague playoffs last year between Pure and someone who I forget right now (will look it up in a second) where they both end up going with proxy gates and one of them wins as he's taken the other guys main?
HiyA cancels second factory before starting 4 barracks
111. "Use Your Illusion" KIROFF vs. Tapoto_kopele; Lost Temple; casual game; circa 2001-10-03 VOD (English commentary by Cholera; however, I'd almost suggest that you mute the VOD or download the replay, just so you can watch the game unfold for yourself.) + Show Spoiler [What makes this unusual?] +
This game is unusual even for this thread: nearly every game here was played in a professional league, but the two Bulgarians who played this game owe their place in Starcraft history to this game and this game alone.
Oh, just go watch it already. It's very short. I guarantee you won't regret it.
On March 03 2011 02:21 RaiZ wrote: Kiroff vs. tapoto_kopele was really the greatest, too bad it's not a "pro" game, but it made me laugh for 5 minutes straight. I just couldn't believe how sharp they were thinking when they played this game.
After one player blows a build-order advantage, he turns to some unorthodox play to try to get back into it. Very close, rather unusual game. + Show Spoiler [more revealing detail] +
One player launches an early attack, the other counter-attacks, and before you can spit three times, sAviOr is trading bases with a Protoss on Neo Requiem. Again. (cf.game #26)
On March 03 2011 08:03 Ver wrote: 5 gas Muta/Sunken.
[Note: Savior was only actually mining from 5 gases at once for a short time, but this is certainly an excellent example of Savior's famous macro style.]
On March 02 2011 08:45 Kyuukyuu wrote: Hwasin vs. Jaedong on Blue Storm (PL): Another nice cheese build. Terrans love cheesing JD.
Seconding this. Factory before depot, baby! Hwasin did it again against hyvaa on Holy World in Bacchus2009. Not sure if you want to include both, or neither, or just one, or whatever, but here are the videos: [VODs]
On March 03 2011 08:03 Ver wrote: Savior vs. Bisu on Blue Storm: Proxy Hatchery Hydra!? The Proxy hatchery is critical in supplying an overlord to handle Bisu's last ditch DTs.
On March 03 2011 09:25 koreasilver wrote: 40 minutes of frantic low-econ TvZ. Zerg doesn't start hive until 26 minutes in and Terran is always hungry for resources, not running more than 2 bases ever.
On March 03 2011 09:25 koreasilver wrote: Hwasin vs. Luxury on Destination Ever since I saw this game it's remained as one of my favourite BW games. 40 minutes of frantic low-econ TvZ. Zerg doesn't start hive until 26 minutes in and Terran is always hungry for resources, not running more than 2 bases ever.
Why is it that this op doesn't have any games from Anytime's SO1 OSL run listed?
I can think of at least two games from that which deserve mention: Anytime ... against Yellow on R-Point. [VOD] And... damn, I forget who he played, but he did a strange reaver build on 815...nevermind, it was Oov in the semifinals! Anytime did a 2 robotics facility timing drop attack with 3 shuttles containing 3 reavers and 3 goons. [VOD]
By the time he got to the finals everyone was wondering what he would think of next. FFS, he psyched out Oov of all people!
This section is for games that are mentioned in the thread, but that a significant number of people (as reflected in the attached poll) thought were not worth watching. If you think that one of these games should be in the main list, you can help redeem it by voting "yes" in its poll!
On March 02 2011 03:26 prototype. wrote: 3hatch spire -> 6hatch (instead of 5hatch), skips hydra den. Majority of the game consists of mass zergling usage.
On March 02 2011 03:53 Hikko wrote: Stork defeats HiyA with Reaver drops...and only loses 3 units. [Sic. According to a later poster, he actually lost 4 or 5] No cheese, no rushing, just plain skill.
On March 02 2011 03:53 Hikko wrote: Stork defeats HiyA with Reaver drops...and only loses 3 units. No cheese, no rushing, just plain skill.
On March 09 2011 15:30 red_hq wrote: Just saying the Stork vs. Hiya match, Stork actually lost 4 units (1 Zealot, 2 Dragoons, 1 probe) or five (extra Dragoon) (based on what I heard), that games was still filled with some of the most awesome stuff I have ever seen.
On March 02 2011 08:45 Kyuukyuu wrote: Suny vs. Shine on Gladiator (Bacchus 2010 OSL): Suny pulls off a brilliant vulture+marine+scv drop and conducts something like an 8-minute bunker rush.
On March 02 2011 08:45 Kyuukyuu wrote: Great vs. Bisu (also Free [cf. game #20]) on Medusa (both PL): Proxy hatchery, mass sunkens and lurkers to starve the Protoss out.
On March 02 2011 08:45 Kyuukyuu wrote: Great vs. Bisu (also Free) on Medusa (both PL): Proxy hatchery, mass sunkens and lurkers to starve the Protoss out.
On March 02 2011 09:34 a7choi wrote: wasn't there a pvz on neo medusa? i THINK great and kal? not too sure. but i remember the zerg made a hatch for creep outside the protoss's base and made a ton of sunks/spores/lurks and the protoss couldn't break through.. anyone know what game i'm referring to? >< edit: nevermind. it was free vs. great and it's in the list ^^
On March 02 2011 08:45 Kyuukyuu wrote: Flash vs. Jaedong on one of the Odd-Eye editions (Hana MSL, I think [sic]): A +1 armor Goliath timing push. What?
On March 02 2011 08:45 Kyuukyuu wrote: Worth watching for an interesting opening, but nothing super wacky. Stork does a PvZ opening that he later states "is simply unbeatable".
On March 02 2011 08:45 Kyuukyuu wrote: Stork vs. SoulKey on Benzene (PL): Worth watching for an interesting opening, but nothing super wacky. Stork does a PvZ opening that he later states "is simply unbeatable".
On March 02 2011 08:45 Kyuukyuu wrote: Hwasin vs. Jaedong on Blue Storm (PL): Another nice cheese build. Terrans love cheesing JD.
Seconding this. Factory before depot, baby! Hwasin did it again against hyvaa on Holy World in Bacchus2009. Not sure if you want to include both, or neither, or just one, or whatever, but here are the videos: [VODs]
On March 02 2011 08:45 Kyuukyuu wrote: Another Terran cheesing JD, move along... actually nvm, JD decides he's had enough of it and pulls off a ridiculous defense.
On March 02 2011 08:45 Kyuukyuu wrote: Really vs. Jaedong on Judgment Day (WL): Another Terran cheesing JD, move along... actually nvm, JD decides he's had enough of it and pulls off a ridiculous defense. GTFO terran imba.
On March 02 2011 13:16 Impervious wrote: How often do you see a game where the outcome can come down to a single hit on a single unit, at several times in the game, and the game itself only lasts like 8 minutes?
On March 02 2011 13:16 Impervious wrote: Flash vs. Calm in the SPL [VOD] + Show Spoiler +
How often do you see a game where the outcome can come down to a single hit on a single unit, at several times in the game, and the game itself only lasts like 8 minutes?
On March 02 2011 02:28 [WoH]-RAGE wrote: epic MUST see game where rainbow won the game only with economy harass in 3 bases (reaver and storm drops nonstop)
Recommended on March 02 2011 02:28 by [WoH]-RAGE, who wrote: epic MUST see game where rainbow won the game only with economy harass in 3 bases (reaver and storm drops nonstop)
Recommended on March 02 2011 02:28 by [WoH]-RAGE, who wrote: [ChoJJa does the] same [sunken rush as he did to Reach] vs. terato on bifrost although terato walled of main and backdoor entrance with gate and cybercore (funny game)
On March 02 2011 17:31 FoFo wrote: i remember seeing one game between two protoss, that turned into an insane micro game where neither had a nexus, or enough money to build one and they had to keep their probes alive to kill the opponents buildings lol i'm sure it's a really old game and it's a pimpest play, but i can't find a VOD anywhere T_T
1. "The game where Yellow used overlords to soak muta hits": gryffindor. Identified by Hyperionn. 2. "Boxer blinding observers vs. that jobber protoss, and nuking him": gryffindor Identified by EquilasH. 3. "forU's 59 gateways vs. nada": [WoH]-RAGE. Identified by ZBiR; VOD found by garbanzo. 4. "if i remember correctly a game between fisheye and boxer that started as a pvt and ended in a battlecruiser vs. battlecruiser fight ?! or just some bc or fisheye owning the rest of boxer maybe someone can remember that correctly.": [WoH]-RAGE. 5. "I also remember a really good game between BratTsunami and Sven@bs": gryffindor 6. "i forgot who he played, but the one where Zero did a proxy hatch in the guy's main base and built zerglings i think it almost came out to be a slight base race": awu25 Identified by mikeymoo/hacklebeast and Kerotan. 7. "Where is the zvz draw?": MageKirby (There are several of these) 8. "And any of the 10ish hive ZvZs qualify, along with the 6ish draws fit under this topic.": hacklebeast Hacklebeast posted a whole list of both of these later in the thread. 9. "A whole bunch of ZvZs involving Great.": kyuukyuu [kyuukyuu was probably thinking mainly of Great's hive-tech games: see above.] 10. "Can anyone find a PvT Im looking for. I think its Stork vs. Iris On byzantium Stork proxies a robo in the middle of the map and does reaver harass and an elevator.": PlaguedArchon Identified by ZeroChrome. 11. "Oversky vs. some guy on Katrina: Another fun proxy hatchery game.": kyuukyuu Identified by LightningStrike (see game #78). 12. "I am terrible with remembering names but it was a ZvZ during proleague which was a macro ZvZ complete with guardians, hydras and maybe queens and devourers (can't remember exactly).This is too general to identify a specific game; see the "Hive tech in ZvZ" category. 13. "hmm what about Babys game? where he goes double port wraith?": L3g3nd I'm sure that there's more than one game where Baby's gone 2-port wraith. In any case, that's a fun opening to watch, but not all that unusual, as the suggester himself points out. This one's probably not worth trying to track down. 14.
On March 02 2011 17:31 FoFo wrote: does anyone have the vod of the ZvZ between jaedong and (i think) zero, it was a match of the week on liquipedia and it was just mass muta into more muta's and hyve tech shouldn't be too long ago
15.
On March 02 2011 20:11 Man.Magic wrote: Fantasy vs. Up.Magic - cutthroat TvT
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On March 02 2011 20:11 Man.Magic wrote: Really vs. ??? Protoss on Matchpoint - Really went Optical Flare
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On March 03 2011 11:04 Aquafresh wrote: basically any of ZerO's games on Holy World
Insufficiently identified in the sense that this description applies to multiple games—well, 4, to be exact, all of them from the 2009 Bacchus OSL. One of them is included in this post as game 7; the others may be added later..
On March 02 2011 05:09 krazymunky wrote: thanks for the amazing thread. havent watch bw vods in a while :p
On March 02 2011 05:13 Mortician wrote: I feel like a huge nerd for having seen all of those except one or two :/
On March 02 2011 05:43 Caos2 wrote: This is a great thread, thanks!
On March 02 2011 06:59 BlackMesa wrote: this thread is awesome
On March 02 2011 07:05 Renkaoru wrote: I love unusual games too. Thanks for this epic thread. Hope it becomes a great compilation over time.
On March 02 2011 07:33 bITt.mAN wrote: This seems like it will become an awesome thread!
On March 02 2011 07:39 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: This is an amazing thread! So many of these games are awesome! Thanks for these VODs!
On March 02 2011 07:42 ketomai wrote: Thanks for the VODS, I"ll contribute after class. [Editor's note: He never posted again]
On March 02 2011 08:38 Shiladie wrote: I love this thread! I'll be watching these games over the next few days. A majority I've seen, but that doesn't mean they don't deserve a second watch to remind me of how awesome BW is.
On March 02 2011 09:23 arcticStorm wrote: Awesome thread and awesome games!
On March 02 2011 09:46 indigoawareness wrote: I like this thread.
On March 02 2011 09:47 0mgVitaminE wrote: Awesome thread, I feel the same way about old games especially if the quality of the video is low. I've only watched the boxer/hiya game so far, planning on way more
On March 02 2011 10:24 Brycks7 wrote: This is such a great compilation of memorable games. Thanks!
On March 02 2011 10:50 RoosterSamurai wrote: I love this thread.
On March 02 2011 11:23 Jragon wrote: Excellent thread.
On March 02 2011 12:31 Dubz wrote: This is a great thread, great op, great responses. Totally enjoying these vods : ) thank you
On March 02 2011 12:41 meegrean wrote: This thread brings back some good old memories. Thanks!
On March 02 2011 12:50 mrdx wrote: This thread is awesome, could some mod please spotlight it please?
On March 02 2011 13:04 Manifesto7 wrote: Spotlighted
On March 02 2011 13:15 garlicface wrote: Beautiful thread. This is definitely going to keep my up tonight.
On March 02 2011 14:47 JerKy wrote: I nerdgasmed when I saw all the sexy names, especially with all the vods just sitting there, waiting to get watched.
On March 02 2011 19:00 Tru_m4n wrote: I have to say this is a great initiative, I love to watch all these crazy videos ^^
On March 02 2011 23:39 Kleinmuuhg wrote: great thread , went instant to bookmark.- thanks!
On March 03 2011 00:37 Arnstein wrote: Once again, thanks! Gonna watch some games while I eat :D
On March 03 2011 02:21 RaiZ wrote: ...very solid thread, Thank you very much for bringing nostalgia ! Can't get tired of it.
On March 03 2011 03:22 GreatFall wrote: This thread is a great idea! Nice job OP.
On March 03 2011 03:41 Renkaoru wrote: This thread pawns! Again, thanks man! :D
On March 03 2011 08:28 Steel wrote: Great thread I'm having so much fun watching these.
On March 03 2011 10:57 CheAse wrote: This thread totally rekindled my love for bw. Time to watch bw again instead of sc2
On March 02 2011 09:34 Hesmyrr wrote: Hello, I'm sorry to bother you about this but can you include Battle Reports for the games in the OP? Really would love to see live reactions of TLers to these awesome games. I know I could definitely do it by just clicking through TLPD few times, but it would be convenient
On March 02 2011 09:34 Hesmyrr wrote: Hello, I'm sorry to bother you about this but can you include Battle Reports for the games in the OP? Really would love to see live reactions of TLers to these awesome games. I know I could definitely do it by just clicking through TLPD few times, but it would be convenient
I actually thought about doing that, because I also like going back and reading the live reactions, but then I wasn't sure how many people actually cared. I did start linking to TLPD pages, which makes the live reports just two clicks away, but I'll put direct links to the LR on my to-do list now.
DONE✔
On March 02 2011 10:05 prototype. wrote: I think people are starting to confuse unusual with amazing.
On March 02 2011 10:05 prototype. wrote: I think people are starting to confuse unusual with amazing.
yea, there are already threads for amazing games i hope this thread stays on track and stays away from the amazing games and focuses on the unusual aka bizarre strategies
On March 02 2011 10:05 prototype. wrote: I think people are starting to confuse unusual with amazing.
yea, there are already threads for amazing games i hope this thread stays on track and stays away from the amazing games and focuses on the unusual aka bizarre strategies
But what about all of the games that are unusual AND amazing?
Over various posts, qrs wrote: I'd just like to say thanks to every one of you contributing to this thread: this has grown so much faster than I thought it would! So many great games out there... Especial thanks to those of you taking the time to format your posts nicely so that I can basically paste them straight into the OP.
On March 02 2011 10:05 prototype. wrote: I think people are starting to confuse unusual with amazing.
yea, there are already threads for amazing games i hope this thread stays on track and stays away from the amazing games and focuses on the unusual aka bizarre strategies
I hope this doesn't get to be a problem, although in a worst-case scenario, I'd settle for watching an "amazing" game . I will say that there is some overlap, IMO: for instance the Jaedong vs. Iris game that grobyc mentioned a couple posts before prototype's was certainly amazing, but I'd say that 2-control-group mutalisk micro qualifies it for "unusual" too. In other words, anything so amazing that you can't remember the last time you've seen it (or maybe I should say that you do remember every time you've seen it) qualifies as unusual for my purposes. Which games were you thinking of with your post, prototype?
You do raise an important point, though. I deliberately tried to make the scope of this thread a bit narrower than other "best game" threads so that variations of taste would be less of an issue, and I think that the "What makes this game unusual" field goes a long way towards keeping it focused, but with so many people suggesting so many games, we could still run into problems like you mention. For example, a number of people have recommended Chrh vs. Bisu, but that's exactly the sort of game I personally don't consider unusual enough to watch again--super cool and exciting at the time because of the context (it was a massive upset) but not worth watching as a game, apart from that context.
However, I don't want to make myself the arbiter of what's "unusual" and what's not, so here's what I'll say: if there's a game in the OP that you think is a disappointing watch for someone who comes to the thread hoping to find an "unusual" game, vote "No" on the poll that asks if it's worth watching. If a game gets a significant amount/percentage of "No" votes, I'll move it to a separate section of the OP, to cull the main list.
I do hope to keep improving the OP (for instance there are getting to be so many games, that I think it's worth categorizing them: e.g. "base trades", "miniatures", "dongalisks", etc.) but it will take time. Bear with me! My eventual goal is to incorporate all useful posts from this thread into the OP, so even if it takes time, don't think your posts are wasted! (In the meanwhile there's the thread itself for people to read, so they're not wasted anyway, of course, but the OP naturally gets the most exposure, and everyone's input will make it in there if I can help it.)
On March 02 2011 14:41 SilverJohnny wrote: oh god I don't remember who it was against, but there was a game from a while back where RainbOw MC'd an scv and built up a huge vult/tank force in addition to his normal army, that was pretty damn silly.
Did you even read the thread? It's been mentioned MULTIPLE times.
The thread is getting big enough that it takes some effort to read through it completely, which is why I'm continuing to update the OP. In my opinion, it's all right if people don't read the thread before posting--in fact, I actually like that, because if multiple people recommend the same game, that's often a good reason to watch it. As I said above, I would like to eventually include all of your input, including second and third opinions, so please don't stop leaving it!
On March 02 2011 14:52 garbanzo wrote: Hmm...I'll search for this if nobody can come up with it off the top of their head, but there was one PvP on Heartbreak Ridge that ended up being a base trade. Basically mirror builds with mirror timings except for the fact that they took different lanes when they attacked so the armies missed each other.
I'll give time for someone to tell me what game I'm talking about. A cursory search didn't yield too much and I'm about to go to bed.
Edit 1: Looks like someone beat me to it:
On March 02 2011 08:45 Kyuukyuu wrote: Guemchi vs. Sangho on Heartbreak Ridge (PL): Base trade that comes down to one player running out of money for scarabs.
Thanks in particular for this, garbanzo. If any of you guys haven't realized, it takes me much less time to transfer a game to the OP if it's already formatted nicely, so I do it much faster. (It takes me around 15 minutes to go from the names of two players and a map to the formatted version, believe it or not [maybe I'm just slow].) Garbanzo even added the link to the TLPD page, which I'd only started doing towards the end, thanks for noticing that, garbanzo!
Worthwhile checking out. Unfortunately, I find myself unable to find Korean casted VODS of stuff like Reach's Lockdown, Boxer's Paratrooper rush and so on... CholeraSC has done English casts of these games, but I think it in TL it is frowned upon to recommend English BW casters...
Lots of sources are worth checking out; Pimpest Plays is absolutely one of the best. Lots of earlier "best game" threads are worth looking at as well (only problem being that they tend not to have much description of the game, so one usually has to actually watch [or have watched] them to see if they qualify as unusual). Heck, even I have games I remember that I plan to post here (e.g. Kwanro vs. Calm and Jaedong vs. Calm, a pair of 5-pool vs. Calm-12-hatch MSL games with very different outcomes). It just takes time...
As for the question about English casters, well it's true that TLers tend to prefer the Korean versions.
On March 02 2011 19:00 Tru_m4n wrote: Is there any way the Bisu vs. Jaedong game (#18 in the list) can be watched with korean casters instead of english? Been trying to find it on youtube but either I just suck at searching, or there is no such video.
People usually follow the same path, I believe: if they're relatively new to high-level BW (whether as a player or a spectator), then they like English casters because they help explain what's going on at a basic level. Meanwhile (even for skilled BW players) if they're new to watching VODs of games and don't speak Korean/Chinese/whatever, then constant screaming in a foreign language is annoying and distracting. As they get used to watching VODs, this reverses: on the one hand, once somebody knows something about the game, the usually-shallow and frequently-mistaken commentary of most English casters starts to annoy them, whereas on the other hand, they learn to tune out the foreign commentary and even to hear it as a soothing, familiar part of the background. I guess like anything else, it's what you're used to. (Not a few people even like Korean commentary but hate when it's overdubbed with Chinese--even though they don't speak either language!)
For this thread, since most TLers do prefer Korean (also those VODs are often better-quality), I prefer linking Korean VODs, but that's just a plus--if you can't find a Korean VOD to link to, link to an English one, absolutely! Actually, after getting this and similar feedback, I think I'm going to put links to both Korean and English versions, where possible, on my long-term to-do list for the OP.
One more point--there are some quality English casters out there, whom I think many people do enjoy listening to. Basically, to be a good commentator, you need to be articulate, it helps to be funny, and it's essential to have a good knowledge of the game--the deeper the better. It's that last quality that many commentators lack, but the ones who have it are great to listen to. Day[9] is the name that will come to nearly everybody's mind, of course--and he is wonderful (although I don't find his silliness as hysterical as lots of other people listen to), and I like Artosis even better (his one flaw being that he tends to overhype players that he knows personally). Lots of people like Tasteless; I see him as a fantastic play-by-play guy, but only a middling commentator (teaming him with Artosis was a great move on the part of GOMTV).
Of the YouTube commentators, most of them are not worth mentioning (although if only Diggity had a deeper knowledge of the game!--he has the best casting voice I've ever heard in my life, not excluding professional TV/radio broadcasters) (and NukeTheStars is wasted as a caster, he has real [as in amazing] talent in other areas, like video editing, and music) but you happen to have mentioned the one who imo is the best: CholeraSC is the only English BW caster on YouTube whom I enjoy listening to. His knowledge of the game is not as deep as that of, say, Day[9] or Artosis (both of whom played competitive BW on the highest of foreigner levels), so the really hard-core players at TL tend to eschew him too, but it's still pretty good, and imo plenty good enough for the average guy (like me) who knows more about the game from spectating than from playing it. Definitely, if you're linking an English VOD from YouTube, a Cholera VOD is better by far than the alternatives.
Wow, this post alone took me like an hour to write... I guess you can see why the OP doesn't instantly reflect everyone's feedback, although I read it all and value absolutely all of it. For now, maybe I'll just paste some of this post into the OP--some of it is relevant in general.
On March 03 2011 03:33 gryffindor wrote: you need to put up that 815 vs really game with proxy sunkens behind really's natural i put it on an earlier page
All right, I've decided to just keep it simple and go through the thread page by page. Your recommendation will be processed in the order that it was received and all that. In the meantime, people can find it here in the thread, along with a lot of other great games that have not made it to the OP yet.
I'm not sure this should be in the general forum. For suggestions though, I really liked some of the funday monday stuff day[9] had players do. Really quirky and strange play.
On March 02 2011 01:25 Daliniues wrote: I'm not sure this should be in the general forum. For suggestions though, I really liked some of the funday monday stuff day[9] had players do. Really quirky and strange play.
He's talking about broodwar if you read the thread, though it seems like you just like cheese rushes, Its hard to get a feel for what you want us to recommended when all you post is cheese openings :o
That Jaedong vs Stork game on Katrina The game where Yellow used overlords to soak muta hits Boxer blinding observers vs that jobber protoss, and nuking him I also remember a game where Sir@soni, in ZvT, used dark swarm to get gas for 2 scourge ..epic
On March 02 2011 01:25 Daliniues wrote: I'm not sure this should be in the general forum.
Darn it, you're right; that was an accident. I had meant to post this in BW General. Hopefully a moderator will come along and move the thread, which will also clear up the ambiguity about "Starcraft".
On March 02 2011 01:31 `Zapdos wrote:He's talking about broodwar if you read the thread, though it seems like you just like cheese rushes, Its hard to get a feel for what you want us to recommended when all you post is cheese openings :o
Well, your recommendations don't have to be aimed at me specifically. My main criterion for this thread is just that they be unusual--i.e., some aspect of them is something that you seldom see in BW games.
I like non-standard games. Often those do tend to begin with the sort of thing you could categorize as cheese, but not always. The three games I recommended for a start were just the first three that occurred to me. I'll add one or two others that have less cheesy openings.
Stork vs GGPlay. Both players played TERRIBLY but they were creative about it, and by god is it absolutely amazing. I also think mind controlled defilers, mass archon/dark archon, and pretty much every Zerg and protoss unit making an appearance to be sufficiently unusual.
Casy beats July by faking an expand and then busting his front.
He keeps his overlord just outside of his natural with marines then sends a bunch of scvs to mine from the patches to make July think he'd taken it. Then he goes for a sunken break and just makes July look silly. I think he had like 1 sunken done in time haha.
Kal vs Zero, Holy world was a map which temporarily(I believe they removed it later, or destroyed ASAP) had an neutral command center in the middle. ZerO took the oppertunity to make infested terrans out of this not so neutral command center later on. Using infested terran drops on Kal.
Thanks to everyone contributing. Might take me a bit of time, but I will add all recommendations to the OP. Particular thanks to Kau for moving this thread to the proper forum and for formatting his recommendation like the OP (making it that much easier for me to transfer).
chojja sunken rushing reach on bifrost in a zvp same vs terato on bifrost although terato walled of main and backdoor entrance with gate and cybercore (funny game) rainbow vs goodfriend on r-point epic MUST see game where rainbow won the game only with econemy harrass in 3 bases (reaver and storm drops nonstop) ofcourse boxers 3 times bunker rush vs yellow boxer playing against that blind guy where he almost lost because he had to play blind himself for the first 2 minutes adamas vs july faking an expo due to sending some scvs to his nat mining. forUs 59 gateways vs nada nada vs hot on isles of siren (1h game with tons of scourge killing nadas bc army) savior switching to terran playing against gorush cause he lost confidence in his zvz and getting totally owned -.- and if i remember correctly a game between fisheye and boxer that started as a pvt and ended in a battlecruiser vs battlecruiser fight ?! or just some bc or fisheye owning the rest of boxer maybe someone can remeber that correctly. actually there are so much more i can remember.
Howcome there is no mention of the other more famous RainbOw vs cloud game where rainbow MCs an SCV and then pushes cloud with a zealot vulture tank army.
Kau's game is so epic talk about mindgames from memory, and bisu's micro is so good... I really recommend that one.
On March 02 2011 02:31 BLinD-RawR wrote: Howcome there is no mention of the other more famous RainbOw vs cloud game where rainbow MCs an SCV and then pushes cloud with a zealot vulture tank army.
It is the first game in the op....
July going Terran, and sunken busting Chojja sparks rush at its finest
On March 02 2011 02:31 BLinD-RawR wrote: Howcome there is no mention of the other more famous RainbOw vs cloud game where rainbow MCs an SCV and then pushes cloud with a zealot vulture tank army.
Because it's actually the same game. Yes, it's that epic.
i forgot who he played, but the one where Zero did a proxy hatch in the guy's main base and built zerglings i think it almost came out to be a slight base race
I swear, I was just editing the OP with that very game as you posted this. Yes, that's another great one; short but very sweet.
Where is ____?
Patience! I promise to update the OP with every game people post here (that I can find), but adding them takes time. Meanwhile, if you don't see a game mentioned in the thread, post it yourself! The closer your post is to the format of the OP, the faster it will be added there. At the least, try to remember who the players were of the game(s) you recommend--otherwise, it's much harder to find them.
On March 02 2011 03:35 awu25 wrote: i forgot who he played, but the one where Zero did a proxy hatch in the guy's main base and built zerglings i think it almost came out to be a slight base race
On March 02 2011 03:35 awu25 wrote: i forgot who he played, but the one where Zero did a proxy hatch in the guy's main base and built zerglings i think it almost came out to be a slight base race
It was on Match Point.
EDIT: Oops didn't see it.
The game (i think) you are thinking of is zero vs hyuk on matchpoint
once again, the vod i'm looking for is gone
And any of the 10ish hive ZvZs qualify, along with the 6ish draws fit under this topic.
There we go, ugh, I spent the last 10 minutes looking for it after that guy suggested it.
I was thinking Hmm, "HBR, and pvp, and I seem to remember that the two players were support players players..." My search list consisted of flying, jaehoon, and horang2, and was about to try movie. Glad I looked back to see if someone else was faster.
This seems like it will become an awesome thread! I'm really guilty about this but I know it won't be for my own good to write it up all nice now (4000-word essay due in 41 hours)
TheRock v. Chalrange on Nemesis how has this not been mentioned? DRAW PvP
Up_Magic v. Nal_rA on Nemesis brilliant deep-6 usage, transitions into both players loose their mains.
iloveoov v. YellOw U-Boat MSL finals Game gets reduced to oov trying to micro out of 1 dropship to stop Yellow from mining with his last few drones, which are protected by lurkers everywhere
Kingdom looses the Nexus in his main and can't rebuild it, on Arizona (I think, that map where the 3rd gas expo was sealed-off by half the resources of the expansion) Will he be able to defeat his enemy with a nadful of probes and about 4 dragoons, versus DT's, lots and cannons?
AH there're so many, I DON't have the time QQTT
I'm glad I could see that Kal-scouts on Colloseum, I was looking for it... TY
On March 02 2011 07:33 bITt.mAN wrote: This seems like it will become an awesome thread! I'm really guilty about this but I know it won't be for my own good to write it up all nice now (4000-word essay due in 41 hours)
TheRock v. Chalrange on Nemesis how has this not been mentioned? DRAW PvP
Up_Magic v. Nal_rA on Nemesis brilliant deep-6 usage, transitions into both players loose their mains.
iloveoov v. YellOw U-Boat MSL finals Game gets reduced to oov trying to micro out of 1 dropship to stop Yellow from mining with his last few drones, which are protected by lurkers everywhere
Kingdom looses the Nexus in his main and can't rebuild it, on Arizona (I think, that map where the 3rd gas expo was sealed-off by half the resources of the expansion) Will he be able to defeat his enemy with a nadful of probes and about 4 dragoons, versus DT's, lots and cannons?
AH there're so many, I DON't have the time QQTT
I'm glad I could see that Kal-scouts on Colloseum, I was looking for it... TY
Man, Kingdom vs Zeus was amazing. Goon micro for ages.
Rock vs Chalrenge was not amazing however. Chalrenge just turtled into a draw, and Rock just sat there trying everything he could to break it lol.
I can't remember one of the players, but it was a proleague game a year(or might be in 2009), between Ruby and another terran, where Ruby was so ahead he started making like 20 starports pumping out wraiths. Can anyone remember this one?
I love this thread! I'll be watching these games over the next few days. A majority I've seen, but that doesn't mean they don't deserve a second watch to remind me of how awesome BW is.
Hmm, I can't remember exactly who the players were, but I believe it was a 2008 PL game on Andromeda, a TvT where both players did some weird kinda cheesy opening. It ended up as a base trade, and eventually 1 goliath hiding underneath a floated rax against 1-2 wraiths. I wanna say... Hwasin vs. Midas???
On March 02 2011 08:30 AssuredVacancy wrote: I can't remember one of the players, but it was a proleague game a year(or might be in 2009), between Ruby and another terran, where Ruby was so ahead he started making like 20 starports pumping out wraiths. Can anyone remember this one?
edit: it was on fighting spirit
This is against Skyhigh.
edit: Other interesting games/builds off the top of my head:
Suny vs. Shine on Gladiator (Bacchus 2010 OSL): Suny pulls off a brilliant vulture+marine+scv drop and conducts something like an 8-minute bunker rush.
Guemchi vs. Sangho on Heartbreak Ridge (PL): Base trade that comes down to one player running out of money for scarabs.
A whole bunch of ZvZs involving Great.
Skyhigh vs. Jaedong on Destination (PL): Beautifully tailored snipe/cheese build, very creatively done.
Horang2 vs. Light on Destination (PL): Send one of your first Probes into the opponent's main. Let it sit there for 5 minutes before proxying a gateway. Profit! Also includes an MVP performance by Ursadon/Pandabearguy.
Flash vs. Jaedong on one of the Odd-Eye editions (Hana MSL, I think): A +1 armor Goliath timing push. What?
Great vs. Bisu (also Free) on Medusa (both PL): Proxy hatchery, mass sunkens and lurkers to starve the Protoss out.
Oversky vs. some guy on Katrina: Another fun proxy hatchery game. Proxy hatches are just great all-around. Also check out Hyuk vs. Zero on Match Point for more proxy hatches. Om nom nom,
Stork vs. SoulKey on Benzene (PL): Worth watching for an interesting opening, but nothing super wacky. Stork does a PvZ opening that he later states "is simply unbeatable".
Hwasin vs. Jaedong on Blue Storm (PL): Another nice cheese build. Terrans love cheesing JD.
Backho vs. Snow on Heartbreak Ridge (PL playoffs): Cannon rush, PvP? Yes please.
Movie vs. go.go on Heartbreak Ridge (EVER 09 OSL group stages, I think?): A proxy gateway, followed by a cannon rush, followed by targeting the proxy gateway with the cannon. Yeah that's right.
Flying vs. EffOrt on Heartbreak Ridge (PL): An Arbiter kills a hatchery. Later, a Dark Archon maelstroms an Ultra drop. Just another PvZ for Flying.
Stork vs. Jaedong on Central Plains (PL ace match): More people cheesing the Dong -_-. 3 gateways in the Zerg natural is just how Stork rolls.
Really vs. Jaedong on Judgment Day (WL): Another Terran cheesing JD, move along... actually nvm, JD decides he's had enough of it and pulls off a ridiculous defense. GTFO terran imba.
Daezang vs. Really on Medusa (PL): An ACE veteran taking out one of the best TvPers at the time with a hero Reaver.
On March 02 2011 08:45 Kyuukyuu wrote: Hmm, I can't remember exactly who the players were, but I believe it was a 2008 PL game on Andromeda, a TvT where both players did some weird kinda cheesy opening. It ended up as a base trade, and eventually 1 goliath hiding underneath a floated rax against 1-2 wraiths. I wanna say... Hwasin vs. Midas???
On March 02 2011 08:30 AssuredVacancy wrote: I can't remember one of the players, but it was a proleague game a year(or might be in 2009), between Ruby and another terran, where Ruby was so ahead he started making like 20 starports pumping out wraiths. Can anyone remember this one?
edit: it was on fighting spirit
This is against Skyhigh.
Yes, hacklebeast mentioned that one earlier in the thread. Thanks for all the recommendations, everyone: I can't keep up with them, but keep them coming! They'll all make it into the OP eventually.
Ah my bad, I didn't think someone would get that one so I didn't read through the thread first . Hopefully some of the other games I listed aren't repeats though lol
On March 02 2011 08:59 Kyuukyuu wrote: Ah my bad, I didn't think someone would get that one so I didn't read through the thread first . Hopefully some of the other games I listed aren't repeats though lol
Ha, nice edit! It will take me a while to get through all those... Also, fwiw, nothing wrong with seconding a recommendation someone else mentioned first.
The VOD for this game Flying vs Stats was only the first half. Base trade situation occurs at the beginning of the second half, linked here: + Show Spoiler [VOD] +
wasn't there a pvz on neo medusa? i THINK great and kal? not too sure. but i remember the zerg made a hatch for creep outside the protoss's base and made a ton of sunks/spores/lurks and the protoss couldn't break through.. anyone know what game i'm referring to? >< edit: nevermind. it was free vs great and it's in the list ^^
Hello, I'm sorry to bother you about this but can you include Battle Reports for the games in the OP? Really would love to see live reactions of TLers to these awesome games. I know I could definitely do it by just clicking through TLPD few times, but it would be convenient
On March 02 2011 09:34 Hesmyrr wrote: Hello, I'm sorry to bother you about this but can you include Battle Reports for the games in the OP? Really would love to see live reactions of TLers to these awesome games. I know I could definitely do it by just clicking through TLPD few times, but it would be convenient
I actually thought about doing that, because I also like going back and reading the live reactions, but then I wasn't sure how many people actually cared. I did start linking to TLPD pages, which makes the live reports just two clicks away, but I'll put direct links to the LR on my to-do list now.
Awesome thread, I feel the same way about old games especially if the quality of the video is low. I've only watched the boxer/hiya game so far, planning on way more
Can anyone find a PvT Im looking for. I think its Stork vs Iris On byzantium Stork proxies a robo in the middle of the map and does reaver harass and an elevator.
This game is amazing, features not one base race, but two, the main armies of both players, really never engage through out the game. The Korean commentators are at their best, and the game has a great ending.
On March 02 2011 09:34 a7choi wrote: wasn't there a pvz on neo medusa? i THINK great and kal? not too sure. but i remember the zerg made a hatch for creep outside the protoss's base and made a ton of sunks/spores/lurks and the protoss couldn't break through.. anyone know what game i'm referring to? >< edit: nevermind. it was free vs great and it's in the list ^^
Jaedong beats Iris with control 2 groups of stacked mutalisks microd SIMULTANEOUSLY. Iris literally died to pure mutalisks, even though he managed to squeeze out some science vessels. Insaneeeeeeeeeeee
Jaedong beats Iris with control 2 groups of stacked mutalisks microd SIMULTANEOUSLY. Iris literally died to pure mutalisks, even though he managed to squeeze out some science vessels. Insaneeeeeeeeeeee
How could I have forgotten about this one?! Yes, this was amazing.
On March 02 2011 09:34 Hesmyrr wrote: Hello, I'm sorry to bother you about this but can you include Battle Reports for the games in the OP? Really would love to see live reactions of TLers to these awesome games. I know I could definitely do it by just clicking through TLPD few times, but it would be convenient
I actually thought about doing that, because I also like going back and reading the live reactions, but then I wasn't sure how many people actually cared. I did start linking to TLPD pages, which makes the live reports just two clicks away, but I'll put direct links to the LR on my to-do list now.
Thanks, your effort is appreciated. Good luck with your thread~
The game itself isn't all that weird. The context and outcome is however. This was at the time when Bisu was considered probably the best player in the world (just two months after beating Savior in the MSL and only two months before taking his second gold against Stork). He was going up against ChRh, who had stopped playing in 2004, but joined ACE when it was formed while doing his time in the army, and had subsequently gone without winning a game for over 3 years. Needless to say, not many expected the outcome.
The game itself isn't all that weird. The context and outcome is however. This was at the time when Bisu was considered probably the best player in the world (just two months after beating Savior in the MSL and only two months before taking his second gold against Stork). He was going up against ChRh, who had stopped playing in 2004, but joined ACE when it was formed while doing his time in the army, and had subsequently gone without winning a game for over 3 years. Needless to say, not many expected the outcome.
I second this and already had a post on that game ^^ and Boxer vs Cool in 2007 SPL + Show Spoiler +
kingdom mindcontrols EVERYTHING, he mc guardian, he mc overlord, he mc ultralisk, he even mcs a neutral critter. scouts and carriers also make an appearance
Tempest recovers from Light's 2 Barracks cheese using a shield battery and 1 dragoon with range upgrade. In the end, Tempest wins, and his hero dragoon has 33 kills.
On March 02 2011 10:05 prototype. wrote: I think people are starting to confuse unusual with amazing.
yea, there are already threads for amazing games i hope this thread stays on track and stays away from the amazing games and focuses on the unusual aka bizarre strategies
On March 02 2011 10:05 prototype. wrote: I think people are starting to confuse unusual with amazing.
yea, there are already threads for amazing games i hope this thread stays on track and stays away from the amazing games and focuses on the unusual aka bizarre strategies
But what about all of the games that are unusual AND amazing?
How often do you see a game where the outcome can come down to a single hit on a single unit, at several times in the game, and the game itself only lasts like 8 minutes?
This might not be exactly "unusual," but when Silver came up with that specific zerg build (hatcheries down the middle with offensive sunken colonies) on that RIDICULOUS map Monty Hall, I thought it was pretty sick and haven't forgotten it since.
On March 02 2011 08:45 Kyuukyuu wrote: Hwasin vs. Jaedong on Blue Storm (PL): Another nice cheese build. Terrans love cheesing JD.
Seconding this. Factory before depot, baby! Hwasin did it again against hyvaa on Holy World in Bacchus2009. Not sure if you want to include both, or neither, or just one, or whatever, but here are the videos:
oh god I don't remember who it was against, but there was a game from a while back where RainbOw MC'd an scv and built up a huge vult/tank force in addition to his normal army, that was pretty damn silly.
I am terrible with remembering names but it was a ZvZ during proleague which was a macro ZvZ complete with guardians, hydras and maybe queens and devourers (can't remember exactly).
On March 02 2011 14:41 SilverJohnny wrote: oh god I don't remember who it was against, but there was a game from a while back where RainbOw MC'd an scv and built up a huge vult/tank force in addition to his normal army, that was pretty damn silly.
Did you even read the thread? It's been mentioned MULTIPLE times.
On March 02 2011 14:46 DaBears57 wrote: I am terrible with remembering names but it was a ZvZ during proleague which was a macro ZvZ complete with corruptors, hydras and maybe queens.
On March 02 2011 14:41 SilverJohnny wrote: oh god I don't remember who it was against, but there was a game from a while back where RainbOw MC'd an scv and built up a huge vult/tank force in addition to his normal army, that was pretty damn silly.
Did you even read the thread? It's been mentioned MULTIPLE times.
settle down yo, I thought the game in the OP was a different one, my bad.
Hmm...I'll search for this if nobody can come up with it off the top of their head, but there was one PvP on Heartbreak Ridge that ended up being a base trade. Basically mirror builds with mirror timings except for the fact that they took different lanes when they attacked so the armies missed each other.
I'll give time for someone to tell me what game I'm talking about. A cursory search didn't yield too much and I'm about to go to bed.
Edit 1: Looks like someone beat me to it:
On March 02 2011 08:45 Kyuukyuu wrote: Guemchi vs. Sangho on Heartbreak Ridge (PL): Base trade that comes down to one player running out of money for scarabs.
Worthwhile checking out. Unfortunately, I find myself unable to find Korean casted VODS of stuff like Reach's Lockdown, Boxer's Paratrooper rush and so on... CholeraSC has done English casts of these games, but I think it in TL it is frowned upon to recommend English BW casters...
How about the game where Flying used arbiters against a zerg.
Edit: Also I remember when i was in korea seeing a really epic basetrade game on tv between a Zerg and a Protoss where nobody actually GG'd and the game ended due to elimination. I'm not sure exactly when it was but I know the map was from before my time (Before 2009 at some point).
Sorry I can't be of more help right now . .. maybe I'll find those games when i'm done with work tomorrow.
AtomicPeace wrote: It's 2009. YellOw has gone two years without winning a KeSPA officiated match. Bisu is clearly a top if not the top Protoss. At the time Heartbreak Ridge favored Protoss in ZvP. YellOw brings back some amazing old school BW tactics in an epic showdown.
i remember seeing one game between two protoss, that turned into an insane micro game where neither had a nexus, or enough money to build one and they had to keep their probes alive to kill the opponents buildings lol i'm sure it's a really old game and it's a pimpest play, but i can't find a VOD anywhere T_T
edit: they both went mass reaver or something lol
2nd edit: also, does anyone have the vod of the ZvZ between jaedong and (i think) zero, it was a match of the week on liquipedia and it was just mass muta into more muta's and hyve tech shouldn't be too long ago
I swear Protoss makes for the most weird/unusual games. The number of bizarre PvPs I've seen... Tazza vs Jaehoon on HBR was pretty funny too. Damn HBR was a great map for unusual games.
i got very very late in SC:BW, maybe 2008 started watchign vods on youtube, #3 on the list was the first event i watched a livestream and god was that tense and awesome.
Still would say that was one of the games that maade me totally fall in love with SC
Is there any way the Bisu vs Jaedong game (#18 in the list) can be watched with korean casters instead of english? Been trying to find it on youtube but either I just suck at searching, or there is no such video.
Other than that I have to say this is a great initiative, I love to watch all these crazy videos ^^
On March 02 2011 19:00 Tru_m4n wrote: Is there any way the Bisu vs Jaedong game (#18 in the list) can be watched with korean casters instead of english? Been trying to find it on youtube but either I just suck at searching, or there is no such video.
On March 02 2011 19:00 Tru_m4n wrote: Is there any way the Bisu vs Jaedong game (#18 in the list) can be watched with korean casters instead of english? Been trying to find it on youtube but either I just suck at searching, or there is no such video.
Just read the first page, how about that PvP in the proleague playoffs last year between Pure and someone who I forget right now (will look it up in a second) where they both end up going with proxy gates and one of them wins as he's taken the other guys main?
Casy brilliantly fakes fast expansion by transferring scvs to the natural to gather minerals... without ever building a cc! July's overlord sees the scvs, thinks it's a fe build, prepares inadequate defenses to stop the 2 rax fast mmf attack and the game ends right there.
For the last fifteen minutes neither player has a base. Their BC fleets circle (and circle) around the map desperately trying to eliminate the other player first.
On May 09 2010 14:31 Musoeun wrote: attn: Blizzard.
I'd just like to say thanks to every one of you contributing to this thread: this has grown so much faster than I thought it would! So many great games out there... Especial thanks to those of you taking the time to format your posts nicely so that I can basically paste them straight into the OP.
On March 02 2011 10:05 prototype. wrote: I think people are starting to confuse unusual with amazing.
On March 02 2011 10:05 prototype. wrote: I think people are starting to confuse unusual with amazing.
yea, there are already threads for amazing games i hope this thread stays on track and stays away from the amazing games and focuses on the unusual aka bizarre strategies
I hope this doesn't get to be a problem, although in a worst-case scenario, I'd settle for watching an "amazing" game . I will say that there is some overlap, IMO: for instance the Jaedong vs. Iris game that grobyc mentioned a couple posts before prototype's was certainly amazing, but I'd say that 2-control-group mutalisk micro qualifies it for "unusual" too. In other words, anything so amazing that you can't remember the last time you've seen it (or maybe I should say that you do remember every time you've seen it) qualifies as unusual for my purposes. Which games were you thinking of with your post, prototype?
You do raise an important point, though. I deliberately tried to make the scope of this thread a bit narrower than other "best game" threads so that variations of taste would be less of an issue, and I think that the "What makes this game unusual" field goes a long way towards keeping it focused, but with so many people suggesting so many games, we could still run into problems like you mention. For example, a number of people have recommended Chrh vs. Bisu, but that's exactly the sort of game I personally don't consider unusual enough to watch again--super cool and exciting at the time because of the context (it was a massive upset) but not worth watching as a game, apart from that context.
However, I don't want to make myself the arbiter of what's "unusual" and what's not, so here's what I'll say: if there's a game in the OP that you think is a disappointing watch for someone who comes to the thread hoping to find an "unusual" game, vote "No" on the poll that asks if it's worth watching. If a game gets a significant amount/percentage of "No" votes, I'll move it to a separate section of the OP, to cull the main list.
I do hope to keep improving the OP (for instance there are getting to be so many games, that I think it's worth categorizing them: e.g. "base trades", "miniatures", "dongalisks", etc.) but it will take time. Bear with me! My eventual goal is to incorporate all useful posts from this thread into the OP, so even if it takes time, don't think your posts are wasted! (In the meanwhile there's the thread itself for people to read, so they're not wasted anyway, of course, but the OP naturally gets the most exposure, and everyone's input will make it in there if I can help it.)
On March 02 2011 13:04 Manifesto7 wrote: Spotlighted
On March 02 2011 14:41 SilverJohnny wrote: oh god I don't remember who it was against, but there was a game from a while back where RainbOw MC'd an scv and built up a huge vult/tank force in addition to his normal army, that was pretty damn silly.
Did you even read the thread? It's been mentioned MULTIPLE times.
The thread is getting big enough that it takes some effort to read through it completely, which is why I'm continuing to update the OP. In my opinion, it's all right if people don't read the thread before posting--in fact, I actually like that, because if multiple people recommend the same game, that's often a good reason to watch it. As I said above, I would like to eventually include all of your input, including second and third opinions, so please don't stop leaving it!
On March 02 2011 14:52 garbanzo wrote: Hmm...I'll search for this if nobody can come up with it off the top of their head, but there was one PvP on Heartbreak Ridge that ended up being a base trade. Basically mirror builds with mirror timings except for the fact that they took different lanes when they attacked so the armies missed each other.
I'll give time for someone to tell me what game I'm talking about. A cursory search didn't yield too much and I'm about to go to bed.
On March 02 2011 08:45 Kyuukyuu wrote: Guemchi vs. Sangho on Heartbreak Ridge (PL): Base trade that comes down to one player running out of money for scarabs.
Thanks in particular for this, garbanzo. If any of you guys haven't realized, it takes me much less time to transfer a game to the OP if it's already formatted nicely, so I do it much faster. (It takes me around 15 minutes to go from the names of two players and a map to the formatted version, believe it or not [maybe I'm just slow].) Garbanzo even added the link to the TLPD page, which I'd only started doing towards the end, thanks for noticing that, garbanzo!
On March 02 2011 16:22 feaynnewedd wrote: Oh my god, thank you so much for this thread! I will see if I can add anything to that.
Worthwhile checking out. Unfortunately, I find myself unable to find Korean casted VODS of stuff like Reach's Lockdown, Boxer's Paratrooper rush and so on... CholeraSC has done English casts of these games, but I think it in TL it is frowned upon to recommend English BW casters...
Lots of sources are worth checking out; Pimpest Plays is absolutely one of the best. Lots of earlier "best game" threads are worth looking at as well (only problem being that they tend not to have much description of the game, so one usually has to actually watch [or have watched] them to see if they qualify as unusual). Heck, even I have games I remember that I plan to post here (e.g. Kwanro vs Calm and Jaedong vs Calm, a pair of 5-pool vs. Calm-12-hatch MSL games with very different outcomes). It just takes time...
As for the question about English casters, well it's true that TLers tend to prefer the Korean versions.
On March 02 2011 19:00 Tru_m4n wrote: Is there any way the Bisu vs Jaedong game (#18 in the list) can be watched with korean casters instead of english? Been trying to find it on youtube but either I just suck at searching, or there is no such video.
People usually follow the same path, I believe: if they're relatively new to high-level BW (whether as a player or a spectator), then they like English casters because they help explain what's going on at a basic level. Meanwhile (even for skilled BW players) if they're new to watching VODs of games and don't speak Korean/Chinese/whatever, then constant screaming in a foreign language is annoying and distracting. As they get used to watching VODs, this reverses: on the one hand, once somebody knows something about the game, the usually-shallow and frequently-mistaken commentary of most English casters starts to annoy them, whereas on the other hand, they learn to tune out the foreign commentary and even to hear it as a soothing, familiar part of the background. I guess like anything else, it's what you're used to. (Not a few people even like Korean commentary but hate when it's overdubbed with Chinese--even though they don't speak either language!)
For this thread, since most TLers do prefer Korean (also those VODs are often better-quality), I prefer linking Korean VODs, but that's just a plus--if you can't find a Korean VOD to link to, link to an English one, absolutely! Actually, after getting this and similar feedback, I think I'm going to put links to both Korean and English versions, where possible, on my long-term to-do list for the OP.
One more point--there are some quality English casters out there, whom I think many people do enjoy listening to. Basically, to be a good commentator, you need to be articulate, it helps to be funny, and it's essential to have a good knowledge of the game--the deeper the better. It's that last quality that many commentators lack, but the ones who have it are great to listen to. Day[9] is the name that will come to nearly everybody's mind, of course--and he is wonderful (although I don't find his silliness as hysterical as lots of other people listen to), and I like Artosis even better (his one flaw being that he tends to overhype players that he knows personally). Lots of people like Tasteless; I see him as a fantastic play-by-play guy, but only a middling commentator (teaming him with Artosis was a great move on the part of GOMTV).
Of the YouTube commentators, most of them are not worth mentioning (although if only Diggity had a deeper knowledge of the game!--he has the best casting voice I've ever heard in my life, not excluding professional TV/radio broadcasters) (and NukeTheStars is wasted as a caster, he has real [as in amazing] talent in other areas, like video editing, and music) but you happen to have mentioned the one who imo is the best: CholeraSC is the only English BW caster on YouTube whom I enjoy listening to. His knowledge of the game is not as deep as that of, say, Day[9] or Artosis (both of whom played competitive BW on the highest of foreigner levels), so the really hard-core players at TL tend to eschew him too, but it's still pretty good, and imo plenty good enough for the average guy (like me) who knows more about the game from spectating than from playing it. Definitely, if you're linking an English VOD from YouTube, a Cholera VOD is better by far than the alternatives.
Wow, this post alone took me like an hour to write... I guess you can see why the OP doesn't instantly reflect everyone's feedback, although I read it all and value absolutely all of it. For now, maybe I'll just paste some of this post into the OP--some of it is relevant in general.
On March 03 2011 01:03 ShatterZer0 wrote: I forgot who Tempest was playing, but that one game where he held off like 20 marines with the only "ManGoon" ever to exist.
On March 02 2011 14:52 garbanzo wrote: Hmm...I'll search for this if nobody can come up with it off the top of their head, but there was one PvP on Heartbreak Ridge that ended up being a base trade. Basically mirror builds with mirror timings except for the fact that they took different lanes when they attacked so the armies missed each other.
I'll give time for someone to tell me what game I'm talking about. A cursory search didn't yield too much and I'm about to go to bed.
Edit 1: Looks like someone beat me to it:
On March 02 2011 08:45 Kyuukyuu wrote: Guemchi vs. Sangho on Heartbreak Ridge (PL): Base trade that comes down to one player running out of money for scarabs.
Thanks in particular for this, garbanzo. If any of you guys haven't realized, it takes me much less time to transfer a game to the OP if it's already formatted nicely, so I do it much faster. (It takes me around 15 minutes to go from the names of two players and a map to the formatted version, believe it or not [maybe I'm just slow].) Garbanzo even added the link to the TLPD page, which I'd only started doing towards the end, thanks for noticing that, garbanzo!
It's no problem dude! It's the least I could do. And certainly I did not set the precedent for following your format. Other people did the same (e.g., Hikko's post linked above).
Kiroff vs tapoto_kopele was really the greatest, too bad it's not a "pro" game, but it made me laugh for 5 minutes straight. I just couldn't believe how sharp they were thinking when they played this game. But very solid thread, Thank you very much for bringing nostalgia ! Can't get tired of it.
Thanks for putting the effort into that post. You should check out the TLPD-ize/Un-TLPD-ize buttons (the hydralisk and crossed-out hydralisk): they aren't perfect, but 9 times out of 10, they can save you a lot of effort. To use them, highlight the name of a player, map, or anything else with an entry in TLPD and click the hydra. To undo it, highlight the whole thing the hydra produced and click the crossed-out hydra.
You can also use these on your whole post by clicking them without highlighting anything, but that's not a Really good idea for a number of reasons.
On March 03 2011 01:03 ShatterZer0 wrote: I forgot who Tempest was playing, but that one game where he held off like 20 marines with the only "ManGoon" ever to exist.
I would like to nominate this also. Not sure why the OP hasn't added it yet, the post is in the correct format.
OK, I've gone through the thread and added all the ones that were in perfect or near-perfect format so far, but I'd just like to reiterate that, a) I plan to eventually add all the recommendations, whatever format they're posted in, and b) the OP is going to lag behind the thread as a whole, no matter what. Please don't view it as if a post in the thread is not "official" until it gets to the OP. Think of the thread as the main attraction here, and the OP as an under-construction digest of the thread.
The reason I added your post earlier than some that were posted before it is that that game had already been recommended by quite a number of people. (Yours was just the first post to format it conveniently.)
HiyA cancels second factory before starting 4 barracks
On March 03 2011 03:22 GreatFall wrote: This thread is a great idea! Nice job OP. I'd love to see HuK~'s mothership rush! Even though it failed it's famous and worth a look I think.
Thanks for putting the effort into that post. You should check out the TLPD-ize/Un-TLPD-ize buttons (the hydralisk and crossed-out hydralisk): they aren't perfect, but 9 times out of 10, they can save you a lot of effort. To use them, highlight the name of a player, map, or anything else with an entry in TLPD and click the hydra. To undo it, highlight the whole thing the hydra produced and click the crossed-out hydra.
You can also use these on your whole post by clicking them without highlighting anything, but that's not a Really good idea for a number of reasons.
Thanks man, been a while since I posted so didn't know about that.
You guys are missing one of the most epic cheese games Horang2 vs Nada on Heartbreak ridge.
Horang2 goes for his usual cheesy tactics by manner pylon followed my 2 gates in nada's mineral line. Then proceeds by proxing a cybernetics core and making a SECOND cybernetics core in his main. He hides his dark templar tech with his first cyber core and nada scouts horang2's main only to see the second core just finishing (followed by +1 air wep). The game turns into a macrofest.
Hwasin vs. Luxury on Destination Ever since I saw this game it's remained as one of my favourite BW games. 40 minutes of frantic low-econ TvZ. Zerg doesn't start hive until 26 minutes in and Terran is always hungry for resources, not running more than 2 bases ever.
On March 02 2011 14:30 Titusmaster6 wrote: This might not be exactly "unusual," but when Silver came up with that specific zerg build (hatcheries down the middle with offensive sunken colonies) on that RIDICULOUS map Monty Hall, I thought it was pretty sick and haven't forgotten it since.
Does anyone know what I'm talking about?
i dont think anyone answered; if they did sorry. i did skim the thread though;
here's a VOD of the build. hatchery in natural into sunken into guardiansssss. pretty baller!
Why is it that this op doesn't have any games from Anytime's SO1 OSL run listed?
I can think of at least two games from that which deserve mention: Anytime's infamous 3 gate DT timing attack against Yellow on R-Point. VOD:
And... damn, I forget who he played, but he did a strange reaver build on 815...nevermind, it was Oov in the semifinals! Anytime did a 2 robotics facility timing drop attack with 3 shuttles containing 3 reavers and 3 goons. VOD:
By the time he got to the finals everyone was wondering what he would think of next. FFS, he psyched out Oov of all people!
On March 03 2011 03:33 gryffindor wrote: you need to put up that 815 vs really game with proxy sunkens behind really's natural i put it on an earlier page
All right, I've decided to just keep it simple and go through the thread page by page. Your recommendation will be processed in the order that it was received and all that. In the meantime, people can find it here in the thread, along with a lot of other great games that have not made it to the OP yet.
Action 4-pools Fantasy on pretty much the worst possible map for it. As expected Fantasy holds it off easily with a marine behind a simple 2 rax wall-in.
This is where it gets unusual read: hilarious. Spoilers incoming.
Action makes no more drones and instead starts hiding lings at his 3rd while dancing his surviving lings at Fantasy's wall. He actively denies scouting with his revealed lings causing Fantasy not to realize how all-in he truly is and move out with a control group of marines! Fantasy doesn't realize his mistake until it's too late and gets flanked by the hidden lings and loses his whole force. Action then goes to town on the Barracks forcing them to lift or die and runs into Fanta's nat, who is forced to make an SCV + 1medic/2firebat wall while he lands his Barracks in his main; getting off a clutch repair to prevent them from burning down. Action tries to poke through the wall by sending in lings to kill the SCVs out of the medics heal range one by one but with only 3 drones left he is forced to gg once he sees the lights on Fanta's Barracks start flashing again.
Pay special attention to Oov's outbursts of frustration with Fantasy and Actions "aww fuck it" body language.
On March 03 2011 11:04 Aquafresh wrote: EDIT: Also basically any of ZerO's games on Holy World
One of Zero's games on Holy World is in the OP already; it got demoted to "Games that might be worth watching" because not enough people liked it. If you think it's worth watching, go vote it up!
Haha how the fuck could people vote down ZerO vs. Kal with infested Terrans, that's basically the most unique game of the entire bunch and hilarious to boot.
On March 03 2011 11:04 Aquafresh wrote: Fantasy vs Action; Judgement Day; 2010-05-11 Proleague
FUCKING LOL @ Oov's face, like "COME ON! wtf is this shit!"
Totally justified too. Fantasy did everything he possibly could to throw that away. I'd estimate Fantasy's boneheaded bio play has taken about 2-3 years off each of his teammates lives due to stress related reasons alone.
On March 03 2011 12:27 tedster wrote: Haha how the fuck could people vote down ZerO vs. Kal with infested Terrans, that's basically the most unique game of the entire bunch and hilarious to boot.
On the other hand, that map was kind of begging for infested Terrans in ZvP. It was less a piece of inspired creativity than just granting the map's request.
@Game 2, July vs Best, Bisu's reaction states the game... W... T... F... @Game 3, nuts, Jaedong pulling some pretty sick micro and timing @Game 4, Boxer... soo.... goood...
AND Game 14 I basically just watched the whole last part with my jaw dropped. Oh my oov.
Maybe add a link to the draw thread into this topic? I mean, games which ended in a draw (like this season's Hogil-Zero) are automatically called unusual :D
Don't know if this was posted before but..... I scarcely remember this TvP on destination.... where it was a Double elimination. the situation was protoss had lost his nexus but had a reaver and a shuttle.... but terran still had his CC, some scvs, 1 tank ad vultures. Can't remember the names tho : S
kingdom mindcontrols EVERYTHING, he mc guardian, he mc overlord, he mc ultralisk, he even mcs a neutral critter. scouts and carriers also make an appearance
just bumping my kingdom game cos i really think it deserves to be watched. my post seems to have been overlooked completely =(
One of my favorite games from my favorite player. Having lost his early marines to a zergling break and mutalisks about to descend upon his base, Iris builds a bunch of firebats and sends them drone hunting. What resulted was an incredibly entertaining game (with a 18kill firebat). The commentators(esp. nal_ra) gets extremely excited in this game. Must watch!
I can't come up with the names of the players but I believe the terran was light.
A PvT, toss spawns 7, T10 on a blueish map. The T does a 2rax proxy, scv rushes. The Toss gets out one dragoon and his goon range finishes seconds before it goes down. The goon ends up getting 42 kills, it's ridicilously ridicilous and awesome.
If anyone can come up with the player names, I think this deserves to be added to the list!!!
kingdom mindcontrols EVERYTHING, he mc guardian, he mc overlord, he mc ultralisk, he even mcs a neutral critter. scouts and carriers also make an appearance
just bumping my kingdom game cos i really think it deserves to be watched. my post seems to have been overlooked completely =(
On March 03 2011 19:10 SirGlinG wrote: I can't come up with the names of the players but I believe the terran was light.
A PvT, toss spawns 7, T10 on a blueish map. The T does a 2rax proxy, scv rushes. The Toss gets out one dragoon and his goon range finishes seconds before it goes down. The goon ends up getting 42 kills, it's ridicilously ridicilous and awesome.
If anyone can come up with the player names, I think this deserves to be added to the list!!!
I'm answering this again apparently. It's #25 Tempest vs. Light.
It's nice that there are multiple recommendations for a game, but I think it'd be a good idea to make those recommendations more clear. A useful thing to do is to just hit the "All" button so you see all the posts and then search for the player name or map name that you know. Searching for "Light" would lead to this game. Then you can just vote on the poll and use your post to instead explain to others how awesome the game is.
Sorry to quote you and use your post as an example but it bothers me a lot when people don't at least attempt to search through a thread for duplicate information. I did this earlier too, but I was quick to remedy it.
Freedom (T) walls in and expands just like every Terran does on Katrina. Oversky takes advantage of the map in order to employ a rare strategy in response.
I don't know the exact details but im pretty sure there used to be a rule in proleauge that if you came out twice in the same match you needed to play a different race, as july had previously played zerg in the 2v2, he decided to go terran to play vs chojja.
July ops for a sparks terran, sync style, getting +1 amour for his marines. Chojja scouts this and prepares with 8 sunkens in a perfect concave, along with ling support. July scans, shows his balls of steel and attacks with his control group and a half of marines. With some really impressive micro, july breaks a sunken line that shouldn't be broken and wins the game.
I just remembered a game, a PvP, where one player went reavers, and it turned out to be a base trade, and the player with the reavers built a hidden pylon, and the other player was loosing his main, but had less dragoons, so he couldn't defend, and the reaver was defending the pylon, and the other guy saw the reaver, and gg'ed. And the observers showed, that he actually had 0 scarabs, and that it was just a bluff, cause he didn't have enough money to build scarabs.
Hive tech in ZvZ is always incredibly unusual, especially when its not forced. Massive Muta/Devourer armies combined with roaming defilers that can cause thousands of damage with one spell makes for a fantastic, unforgettable, nail-biting game.
What about the one boxer game, where he floated raxes into his opponents main and started spamming firebats? That always gives me a smile when I think about it. ^^
Yup, that's the game. I've made the formatting and I've found a compilation VOD "10 Years Star Age," some other ridiculous games in there too. I know I've watched all those episodes, but I can't remember the games exactly. The description on the video is basically like this thread.
Edit: I would actually recommend people, who are really interested and haven't seen it yet, watch all of the episodes of "10 Years Star Age." Here's the playlist on the nevake account.
great game but can you make the description a little more... i dont know, i like to watch these videos at lease expecting what is going to happen, i was figuring that i'll watch it anyway
There was that pvp game where Kingdom had his base cleared by a dt rush then w/ observers kills the dt's and goes for his enemy's base with everything not nailed down.
I remember a TvZ on Ousider where Terran proxied Factory right in Zerg main at 9 o'clock. It was hilarious when Zerg saw Vultures and started to check for proxy buildings with Overlords, but the Factory lifted off and flew up his ramp to a place, where it was just barely, barely missed by Zerg...
Hey, guys, thanks for continuing to contribute, and making this thread so much better than it would have been if it was just me. Also, thanks to everyone taking the time to format their recommendations like the OP--makes it so much easier for me to transfer. Particular props to garbanzo
Yup, that's the game. I've made the formatting and I've found a compilation VOD "10 Years Star Age," some other ridiculous games in there too. I know I've watched all those episodes, but I can't remember the games exactly. The description on the video is basically like this thread.
for a) taking the time to format someone else's recommendation, b) getting all the tiny details right--even taking out the new-lines between spoilers and adding a quoted description of the game. It's such a pleasure to see a post like this, that I can literally copy/paste into the OP without changing anything at all.
I've been going through the thread from the beginning--I just finished adding all the posts from the first page of the thread--but I might interrupt to add the recent posts that people have done the formatting for already. In any case, as I've said, the OP is going to lag way behind the thread, but every post here is appreciated, every post will make it into the OP in some way if I can help it, and in the meantime, your posts will be seen by people browsing the thread, so even before they get into the OP it's not like they go to waste.
Also, thanks to everyone who posted stuff like "nice thread"; that makes me happy.
On March 04 2011 23:35 c3rberUs wrote: There was that pvp game where Kingdom had his base cleared by a dt rush then w/ observers kills the dt's and goes for his enemy's base with everything not nailed down.
Action 4-pools Fantasy on pretty much the worst possible map for it. As expected Fantasy holds it off easily with a marine behind a simple 2 rax wall-in.
This is where it gets unusual read: hilarious. Spoilers incoming.
Action makes no more drones and instead starts hiding lings at his 3rd while dancing his surviving lings at Fantasy's wall. He actively denies scouting with his revealed lings causing Fantasy not to realize how all-in he truly is and move out with a control group of marines! Fantasy doesn't realize his mistake until it's too late and gets flanked by the hidden lings and loses his whole force. Action then goes to town on the Barracks forcing them to lift or die and runs into Fanta's nat, who is forced to make an SCV + 1medic/2firebat wall while he lands his Barracks in his main; getting off a clutch repair to prevent them from burning down. Action tries to poke through the wall by sending in lings to kill the SCVs out of the medics heal range one by one but with only 3 drones left he is forced to gg once he sees the lights on Fanta's Barracks start flashing again.
Pay special attention to Oov's outbursts of frustration with Fantasy and Actions "aww fuck it" body language.
Aww come on, just because Savior's gone now doesn't mean we have to forget his good days. He didn't play GoRush just because of ZvZ, he also said did it to get people excited about the game. There's an interview translation somewhere where he talks about how it falls on the best players to keep people interested in SC, and he intended to do that by switching races. As hard as it may be believe in light of match fixing, Savior did really understand his obligation as a top player to promote the game. Maybe that makes it hurt that much more.
On March 05 2011 11:40 darktreb wrote: Aww come on, just because Savior's gone now doesn't mean we have to forget his good days. He didn't play GoRush just because of ZvZ, he also said did it to get people excited about the game. There's an interview translation somewhere where he talks about how it falls on the best players to keep people interested in SC, and he intended to do that by switching races. As hard as it may be believe in light of match fixing, Savior did really understand his obligation as a top player to promote the game. Maybe that makes it hurt that much more.
i couldn't agree more even tho i don't like what he did, i'm still a huuuuge fan of savior the amazing zerg player!
Has anyone posted that game between Zero and Hyuk, think it was on Match Point in one of the individual leagues, where Zero proxy hatches in Hyuk's main and wins through all-in lings?
Action 4-pools Fantasy on pretty much the worst possible map for it. As expected Fantasy holds it off easily with a marine behind a simple 2 rax wall-in.
This is where it gets unusual read: hilarious. Spoilers incoming.
Action makes no more drones and instead starts hiding lings at his 3rd while dancing his surviving lings at Fantasy's wall. He actively denies scouting with his revealed lings causing Fantasy not to realize how all-in he truly is and move out with a control group of marines! Fantasy doesn't realize his mistake until it's too late and gets flanked by the hidden lings and loses his whole force. Action then goes to town on the Barracks forcing them to lift or die and runs into Fanta's nat, who is forced to make an SCV + 1medic/2firebat wall while he lands his Barracks in his main; getting off a clutch repair to prevent them from burning down. Action tries to poke through the wall by sending in lings to kill the SCVs out of the medics heal range one by one but with only 3 drones left he is forced to gg once he sees the lights on Fanta's Barracks start flashing again.
Pay special attention to Oov's outbursts of frustration with Fantasy and Actions "aww fuck it" body language.
Effort uses zerglings to fight mutas for a lot longer than should. At one point he splits 6 zerglings and I don't understand how he did with 5 fingers only.
I watched savior vs TT, and why did TT move a ton of zealot to the base with one hatchery, while only attacking the main with a single zealot? Match looks partially fixed to me.
While we're on Luxury, what was that game on Outsider where Luxury sunken d with guardians on top and then busts about with guardian ultralisk? I forgot who he played
there was one game where jaedong beat down a protoss so brutally there was no actual army confrontation in an about 18 minute long game and pure was forced to GG. was it pure or something? cant really remember and there were devourers im just not sure if a brutal beatdown counts as an unusual game?
On March 06 2011 17:40 shucklesors wrote: there was one game where jaedong beat down a protoss so brutally there was no actual army confrontation in an about 18 minute long game and pure was forced to GG. was it pure or something? cant really remember and there were devourers im just not sure if a brutal beatdown counts as an unusual game?
Well, I can always list it and people can vote on that. It will take me a while to get to yours, though (I'm only up to like page 3 of this thread in terms of the OP), especially if no one identifies the game.
On March 06 2011 17:45 Hunterai wrote: I just started watching eSport since SC2 Beta HDH King of the Beta, so naturally this is the first time I'm exposed to these amazing games.
Just want to thank TL.NET community for being the best
PS: that first game is CRAZY!!!! PSS: but maybe should list in the VOD spoiler section that the game starts around 33:00 minutes in that youtube video
If you click play on the VOD embedded in the thread it starts where the game starts, you know, which is why I didn't think of mentioning that separately, but I guess it can't hurt to say it too.
On March 06 2011 16:06 MageKirby wrote: While while're on Luxury, what was that game on Outsider where Luxury sunken d with guardians on top and then busts about with guardian ultralisk? I forgot who he played
That was like how every TvZ looked on Outsider for a long period of time. The build might be really unusual, but in the context of the map it was very normal.
On March 06 2011 17:40 shucklesors wrote: there was one game where jaedong beat down a protoss so brutally there was no actual army confrontation in an about 18 minute long game and pure was forced to GG. was it pure or something? cant really remember and there were devourers im just not sure if a brutal beatdown counts as an unusual game?
Well, I can always list it and people can vote on that. It will take me a while to get to yours, though (I'm only up to like page 3 of this thread in terms of the OP), especially if no one identifies the game.
And yes, the beatdown is as cruel as he describes. Absolutely nothing goes Pure's way. An effortless zergling run-by kills several probes, his zealot attacks are casually deflected while Jaedong gets a fourth base, his archon gets surrounded and sniped by zerglings, he loses most of his corsairs to scourge. Jaedong builds mutalisks and takes down another archon with them easily, denies the attempt at DT harass, and destroys Pure's expansions with just zerglings while morphing devourers and guardians. Before any armies clash, Jaedong picks off Pure's shuttle with scourge right by Pure's cannons, and Pure can only nod and type gg early.
It's bad when something goes wrong and the player shakes his head. It's cruel when everything goes wrong and he's forced to nod in submission of it before resigning.
Well, whether standard-play beatdowns count as unusual is a little hazy. The Stork vs. Hiya game, for example, didn't score well at the polls.
On a totally different subject, you might want to write a short note about VODs on youku to advise the watcher to let them buffer and load completely before trying to watch them. It can be frustrating otherwise.
On March 07 2011 04:04 saint_fu wrote: So are we allowed to post games where both players played horribly, but the atrocious play made the game hilarious?
Stork vs GGplay (i think this is the game) was full of horrible play, but is one of the greatest of all time
I absolutely love this thread, and I remembered that I clicked on the link thinking "oh god another one of these threads, ahh, oh well." But you structured it right so that not only is it easy to see all of the games, but also managed to get a list of games that most other threads miss, and I enjoyed a lot (I don't know how I had never seen oov vs zeus).
Lot's of credit to your OP.
The only thing it is missing (other than more games obv) is a kick ass banner. I might try my hand at graphic design during spring break if no one else makes one.
On March 07 2011 13:18 hacklebeast wrote: I absolutely love this thread, and I remembered that I clicked on the link thinking "oh god another one of these threads, ahh, oh well." But you structured it right so that not only is it easy to see all of the games, but also managed to get a list of games that most other threads miss, and I enjoyed a lot (I don't know how I had never seen oov vs zeus).
Lot's of credit to your OP.
The only thing it is missing (other than more games obv) is a kick ass banner. I might try my hand at graphic design during spring break if no one else makes one.
What he said! What a beast thread. Thank you so much
On March 07 2011 13:18 hacklebeast wrote: I absolutely love this thread, and I remembered that I clicked on the link thinking "oh god another one of these threads, ahh, oh well." But you structured it right so that not only is it easy to see all of the games, but also managed to get a list of games that most other threads miss, and I enjoyed a lot (I don't know how I had never seen oov vs zeus).
Lot's of credit to your OP.
The only thing it is missing (other than more games obv) is a kick ass banner. I might try my hand at graphic design during spring break if no one else makes one.
What he said! What a beast thread. Thank you so much
Thanks very much for the posts; I appreciate them a lot (along with all the other similar posts in the thread).
About the banner...not a priority of course, but it crossed my mind too. If anyone does decide to make one, which would be cool, I'd been thinking that, instead of the thread's current, boring, if descriptive title, the title I'd put on the banner would be something like, "Cool and Unusual Punishment". (I don't know how well that works...not all of the games in the thread are one-sided, although many are. I thought about "Cool and Unusual Starcraft" instead, but that dilutes the pun.)
Jaedong loses so hard that he is DRIPPING SWEAT shortly before and as he gg's. And a failed Proxy Factory attempt which is spotted so early it doesn't even matter, but FBH pulls it through. Then, after displaying really good Marine and Vessel micro, FBH just sacks a bunch of those really casually in not paying attention at fucking all, and chooses to lose round about 8 CCs during the whole game.
On March 08 2011 09:21 sjschmidt93 wrote: I did not follow BW, but when talking about Infestors on Weapon of Choice Chill mentioned a game where a Zerg built tanks. Anyone got that?
You are going to have to either clarify or provide context, because that can't happen as you have it written. Maybe it was protoss that built the tank? Or perhaps a more generic "making terran units" (which could happen in the context of infested cc/terran).
Edit: Or maybe a zerg player was off racing? (all three of these have happend and are already in the OP BTW)
Calm playing mind games vs Fantasy. Makes 6 lings and somehow Fantasy thinks that rush is coming. Then fakes muta build and Lurker build to make mass hatcheries (expansions). Finally making mass lurkers to defend after Fantasy noticed what was going on
One player ends up having slightly more Mutas but no economy or Drones. His opponent has one Drone protected by Spore Colonies and 54 minerals. Epic enough, isn't it?
Suny vs. Shine on Gladiator (Bacchus 2010 OSL): Suny pulls off a brilliant vulture+marine+scv drop and conducts something like an 8-minute bunker rush.
I'm pretty sure that vod in the OP is the wrong one, cuz I never saw any drops or bunkers in that game.
Edit: Nevermind, it was during the 'Playback' during the first two minutes, silly me skipped a few minutes in to the game. The map is wrong though, should be Pathfinder, not Gladiator.
qrs, on the really vs 815 game, it is not on fighting spirit it was on the twilight remake of el nino, whatever that was called i would also like to add in the "what makes this unusual" the fact that before he proxy hatcheries that he rubs his drones to skip over minerals and uses the minerals as a wall... it's a weird map
Just saying the Stork vs Hiya match, Stork actually lost 4 units (1 Zealot, 2 Dragoons, 1 probe) or five (extra Dragoon) (based on what I heard), that games was still filled with some of the most awesome stuff I have ever seen.
On March 09 2011 13:54 Bill Murray wrote: qrs, on the really vs 815 game, it is not on fighting spirit it was on the twilight remake of el nino, whatever that was called i would also like to add in the "what makes this unusual" the fact that before he proxy hatcheries that he rubs his drones to skip over minerals and uses the minerals as a wall... it's a weird map
Thanks for the correction, Bill; I've fixed it now. That one was my mistake. One vote was lost when I fixed the poll for that one, so whoever voted for 815 vs Really, you'll have to cast your vote again, sorry.
On March 09 2011 14:57 r3z3nd3 wrote: can i just post here to say this thread is awesome?
(and to bookmark it? =P )
Of course: I like posts like that!
On March 09 2011 15:30 red_hq wrote: Just saying the Stork vs Hiya match, Stork actually lost 4 units (1 Zealot, 2 Dragoons, 1 probe) or five (extra Dragoon) (based on what I heard), that games was still filled with some of the most awesome stuff I have ever seen.
Keep up the good work OP.
Updated description with your comment. Thanks.
On March 09 2011 07:16 Soap wrote: Wow once I saw the thread I immediately went looking for that game, the climax of probably the best series I saw in proleague.
Actually, a lot of people had recommended this game, but I hadn't gotten to it yet. The OP is only up to page 4 of this thread, for the most part--adding games takes time. I added this one now, though, because Soap's post did almost all the work of formatting for me. (Moral of the story, I guess: if you want your recommendation to jump the queue, pre-format it. I'll eventually get to them all, though.)
As a general note to anyone watching games from the OP: please cast a vote when you're done! That's the best way to make sure that the post doesn't get cluttered with mediocre games. (Updated OP with this appeal now.)
Bisu mind games Leta, HARD by pretending to mis-micro his zealot and reveal a 'cheese.' Leta ends up frantically building a second CC+add-on (still in his first base!) in order to scan for a cheese that never comes. In order to help with the context on why Bisu's deception was so effective, you should probably watch their game on Heartbreak Ridge (which was also a very entertaining game).
Pretty standart PvP until Rage manages to get DTs in to Kingdoms base from his hidden Tech and manages to kill Kingdoms Nexus seconds before he gets an Observer out. Kingdom takes all his Probes and Goon Zeal army and attacks. An intensen Micro battle follows
Pretty standart PvP until Rage manages to get DTs in to Kingdoms base from his hidden Tech and manages to kill Kingdoms Nexus seconds before he gets an Observer out. Kingdom takes all his Probes and Goon Zeal army and attacks. An intensen Micro battle follows
I'm inexperienced with the whole spoiler posting thing but here's a game I didn't see posted between flash and bisu, where flash does some brilliant cheese that abuses a clift overhang in medusa and a mining trick to sneak his scvs there.
On March 12 2011 00:04 naneri wrote: what game when reach took few high and darck archons and maelstormed and killed tons of devourers. carriers and corsairs and mutas were also involved
Just wanted to say that this thread is awesome! I tend to enjoy unorthodox play the most, so this is golden. I've watched about 20 of these games so far, and almost all of them were either incredible or very good!
Having said that, there's an old game I remember, but I couldn't find the replay. It was a cheesy play in a TvT. Player A rushed, and player B responded by floating his buildings to player A's base and walling it off. I think I saw it on Cholera's channel years ago, but I couldn't find it again. I think it wasn't even a progame, but some random replay that was sent to him. I also recall him talking about it as a "pimpest play", in his opinion, but it's not in his pimpest play list, so I could be wrong. I remember it as a pretty awesome game, but again, I was new to the scene at the time... Does this game sound familiar to anyone?
On March 12 2011 08:16 Agrajag wrote: Just wanted to say that this thread is awesome! I tend to enjoy unorthodox play the most, so this is golden. I've watched about 20 of these games so far, and almost all of them were either incredible or very good!
Having said that, there's an old game I remember, but I couldn't find the replay. It was a cheesy play in a TvT. Player A rushed, and player B responded by floating his buildings to player A's base and walling it off. I think I saw it on Cholera's channel years ago, but I couldn't find it again. I think it wasn't even a progame, but some random replay that was sent to him. I also recall him talking about it as a "pimpest play", in his opinion, but it's not in his pimpest play list, so I could be wrong. I remember it as a pretty awesome game, but again, I was new to the scene at the time... Does this game sound familiar to anyone?
I think that you confusing the match up it was probally Tvp Kiroff vs Tapoto_Kopele on Lost Temple
that the only game i know of floating buildings to a enemies base but hopfully i found the right match up and play it was
I think that you confusing the match up it was probally Tvp Kiroff vs Tapoto_Kopele on Lost Temple
Yeah, that's the one, for sure. Thanks! I saw this game in the playlist, but I didn't think to watch it, since as Cholera also points out, the description is quite bizarre, it has nothing to do with the game...
As for the game, it's a pretty slick counter, although the micro is not very good. Still worth a watch imo, especially since it's only 5 minutes long.
Funniest part IMO is the outtake on Savior's face for a split second and he has such a serious face on and then he blinks probably from not being able to take his face off the screen because the play is so ridiculous. Seriously, LOL. Definite upvote on this game.
File this game under "rape so brutal you can't look away"
Ridiculous Cheese by BoxeR, bringing a whole Control group of worker with Marine medics against Nal_rA's 12 Nexus on Nemesis. Makes Ra look like a newbie.
10. "Can anyone find a PvT Im looking for. I think its Stork vs Iris On byzantium Stork proxies a robo in the middle of the map and does reaver harass and an elevator.": PlaguedArchon
A passive macro game on Blitz quickly evolves into a tug of war battle over the lone expansion unoccupied on the map, a small island in between either main.
A passive macro game on Blitz quickly evolves into a tug of war battle over the lone expansion unoccupied on the map, a small island in between either main.
also i remember fun game with canata vs some zerg on tornado when canata failed to do inbase proxy factory before supply build and instantly quited. That was the stupidest thing that i saw )).
A passive macro game on Blitz quickly evolves into a tug of war battle over the lone expansion unoccupied on the map, a small island in between either main.
this thread has given me a lot of really good unique games that I haven't seen before, but it has so quickly devolved from "usual games" to just "usually good standard games".
I really wish the polls for each game werent "was this game worth watching?" but rather "was this game unusual enough?" lol.
I mean boxer vs hiya @ blue storm is one of the craziest, unorthodox TvTs ever. Right above that in the OP though, you just have the JD vs fantasy 4pool game. that game was awesome yes, but nothing too unusual about it (at least in terms of 4pools).
although i guess the truly unusual games run dry pretty fast lol.
still though, the OP is so beautiful i feel like crap for complaining about a lot of games not really being unusual lol. keep up the good work qrs
I mean boxer vs hiya @ blue storm is one of the craziest, unorthodox TvTs ever. Right above that in the OP though, you just have the JD vs fantasy 4pool game. that game was awesome yes, but nothing too unusual about it (at least in terms of 4pools).
I also think so Looks like you mean that such a game like fantasy versus jaedong has a chance to be played again, but a game like boxer versus hiya is impossible to be played on TV matches
Last night's game of Flash vs Stork is really worth watching. Stork does some sort of fast expand, and Flash does a bunker rush, taking full advantage of the map. Flash sets up the contain at Storks natural, then Stork begins to ferry units out of his base using shuttles.
On March 14 2011 00:46 infinity2k9 wrote: How about Jaedong vs Fantasy on Sin-chupung-ryeong? Perfect use of ensnare against bio with defiler, lurker/ling.
Edit: Also Really vs i think Kal? Goes ghosts for lockdown on arbs and nukes.
unless there was a second one, nukes and lockdown was hiya vs free
On March 14 2011 00:46 infinity2k9 wrote: How about Jaedong vs Fantasy on Sin-chupung-ryeong? Perfect use of ensnare against bio with defiler, lurker/ling.
Edit: Also Really vs i think Kal? Goes ghosts for lockdown on arbs and nukes.
unless there was a second one, nukes and lockdown was hiya vs free
No, I remember the one he's talking about, although, I don't remember who Really was playing.
On March 14 2011 00:46 infinity2k9 wrote: How about Jaedong vs Fantasy on Sin-chupung-ryeong? Perfect use of ensnare against bio with defiler, lurker/ling.
Edit: Also Really vs i think Kal? Goes ghosts for lockdown on arbs and nukes.
unless there was a second one, nukes and lockdown was hiya vs free
No, I remember the one he's talking about, although, I don't remember who Really was playing.
On March 14 2011 00:46 infinity2k9 wrote: How about Jaedong vs Fantasy on Sin-chupung-ryeong? Perfect use of ensnare against bio with defiler, lurker/ling.
Edit: Also Really vs i think Kal? Goes ghosts for lockdown on arbs and nukes.
unless there was a second one, nukes and lockdown was hiya vs free
No, I remember the one he's talking about, although, I don't remember who Really was playing.
I thought this would be one of the first things on the list. lol
Yeah, the list is still nowhere near complete. Both of those first two games you mention were games I would have added down the line, but I haven't even added all the games mentioned in the thread yet.
Some of it is at 10:28 of the Boxer highlight video.
I've never actually seen the full game, but it seems like a long TvT that ends up with a split map, BCs, and nukes. I assume there is no VoD anymore, but if anyone knows of one, that would be awesome.
On March 12 2011 18:05 Ideas wrote: this thread has given me a lot of really good unique games that I haven't seen before, but it has so quickly devolved from "usual games" to just "usually good standard games".
I really wish the polls for each game werent "was this game worth watching?" but rather "was this game unusual enough?" lol.
I mean boxer vs hiya @ blue storm is one of the craziest, unorthodox TvTs ever. Right above that in the OP though, you just have the JD vs fantasy 4pool game. that game was awesome yes, but nothing too unusual about it (at least in terms of 4pools).
although i guess the truly unusual games run dry pretty fast lol.
still though, the OP is so beautiful i feel like crap for complaining about a lot of games not really being unusual lol. keep up the good work qrs
Please, feel free to complain about anything. I welcome criticism, honestly. Thanks for the compliment on the OP.
About your concern: you are not the first to raise it. Here is my earlier response. In the OP, I try to address this concern:
In terms of how to vote, it's simple: you've watched a game in this thread, expecting something unusual, or amazing or whatever you expect from a game in this thread. Were you satisfied? Vote "Yes" in the poll. Were you disappointed? Vote "No" in the poll.
I should note, by the way, that the JD vs Fantasy game you mention was one of the three games that were in the very first edition of the OP, so if that doesn't count as an "unusual game", then you can't even say that the thread devolved--it was never as restricted as you expected in the first place. For what it's worth, what I thought made the game unusual was a) the strategy used in the first place and b) the way it played out. Your mileage may vary, but after all that's what the polls are for.
Couldn't believe that there's only one Horang2 suggestion so far, unless I missed any. Worth watching just to see his face about 20 seconds into the game.
Base race into Lucifer frantically trying to find his opponent's last buildings while Chalrenge attempts to micro his last few Dark Templar and kill Lucifer's probe and cannons which are the only thing keeping him in the game.
Base race into Lucifer frantically trying to find his opponent's last buildings while Chalrenge attempts to micro his last few Dark Templar and kill Lucifer's probe and cannons which are the only thing keeping him in the game.
On March 13 2011 23:56 saint_fu wrote: Last night's game of Flash vs Stork is really worth watching. Stork does some sort of fast expand, and Flash does a bunker rush, taking full advantage of the map. Flash sets up the contain at Storks natural, then Stork begins to ferry units out of his base using shuttles.
OK, so this is the one rule I think we should make for recommendations in this thread: try to stick to games that are at least a couple of months old. Reason being, there's a big difference between games that are exciting/fun to watch when they first come out, and games that are still worth watching long after they were played. A game loses excitement when it's not relevant to anything anymore, so for someone to still recommend it at that point means that the game itself must have been particularly memorable.
I'm not saying that the game you reference is not worth watching, but say, repost the recommendation in a couple months, if you still remember it.
(As far as the OP goes, btw, for anyone who has posted a game here and wants to know why it wasn't added, don't worry, but be patient. I'm still updating the OP, I still intend to incorporate everybody's input, the OP is up to game #75, aaand, I'm still not even done with page 4. So, yeah. Slow but steady. Keep watching; keep voting! Thanks.)
Game 2, Stork loses base, relocated, countered with well microed reaver, and brought in the 'scout' to save the day. Commentators are very excited when the scout appeared.
what was the game on colosseum when guy played 3 hatchery and put proxy spire on another expo where stays neutral sunken and hydra den in his main and tricked protoss?
The iloveoov vs Zeus match was frustrating. Zeus could have easily won with his last 4 goons if he had just runby the bunker, micro would have done the rest since iloveoov didn't have range for his rines...
On March 19 2011 21:27 naneri wrote: what was the game on colosseum when guy played 3 hatchery and put proxy spire on another expo where stays neutral sunken and hydra den in his main and tricked protoss?
I think it was great vs best or someone vs jangbi (ithink great or jangbi was in the game lol). I remember that game! So funny because the hidden spire totally didn't help at all (protoss still defending mutas just fine lol).
mind versus anytime on bluestorm gomtv game3. Gas steal with responce of building a second barrack and pushing the toss who builds cannons to survive oO
ok i remember a tvt on a jungle map that turned out really wierd. At one point a player ended up using firebats. It was within the last 2 years.
I cant find it but I remember seeing it in a thread that talked about the best games of that year for each matchup. The tvz one was Fantasy vs Jaedong in the proleuge finals so i guess this game was from some time in 2009
On March 31 2011 18:52 pvzvt wrote: one of the weirdest games ever lol leta vs pure somehow pure and leta always give crazy long games not the first time
I was wondering why there are only two Boxer games up there... Then I was wondering why there's not really any Reach games either. Then I realised I've been totally lazy and contributed nothing so far. It makes me realise how painful it was to lose Jon747 all over again... Finding VODs is hard without him. But here's one for the ages.
On March 31 2011 18:52 pvzvt wrote: one of the weirdest games ever lol leta vs pure somehow pure and leta always give crazy long games not the first time
gets my vote too. never seen a game like that
Thirded, Watched the whole thing and it was just so ... wierd
Boxer being Boxer. He starts with a bunker contain, and then decides to just build all of his tech at the natural of his Zerg opponent. If you never got to see BoxeR when he was good, watch this game.
On March 31 2011 18:52 pvzvt wrote: one of the weirdest games ever lol leta vs pure somehow pure and leta always give crazy long games not the first time
On March 31 2011 18:52 pvzvt wrote: one of the weirdest games ever lol leta vs pure somehow pure and leta always give crazy long games not the first time
OP is now up to date through page 5 of this thread (it includes lots of posts from later in the thread too, but every game-related post through page 5 is now covered). Thanks to everyone who continues to post in this thread. Particular thanks to Chef for formatting his posts so nicely (including games recommended by others, that he took the time to reformat to make life easier for me). All of your posts are 100% appreciated.
However, I've decided to temporarily stop moving games to the OP. My reason is simply that with so many games to watch there, adding even more games makes it ever more likely that some will just get lost in the crowd. This wouldn't be a big deal, except that I'd really like to encourage people to vote for the games in the OP: it's the voting more than anything else that helps sort out the really classic, must-watch games from games that might not be required viewing. I capped the list at 50 games, which is a nice round number.
I should make it clear that the suspension of adding games to the OP is only temporary: as the existing games get more votes, in either direction, they will be shuffled off to the OP's version of Paradise and Purgatory, clearing space for new games to join the main list. Meanwhile, if you (somehow) have watched every game in the main list, the archives, and the "Games that might be worth watching" sublist and your lust for Starcraft still isn't satiated, feel free to go through the thread yourself, of course.
I am trying to go through the main list to give votes, but I really don't like watching VODs with English commentary and sadly that is what many of them are. It's also sub-optimal to use hour long 10 Years Star Age videos for 15 minute games....
Is it possible that you could update the main list to 50, but only include optimal Korean VODs in the main list? English commentary is really niche and I feel it will scare people away from watching the VODs and voting (at least, it has done so for me). I think the niche English VODs should stay in a separate spoiler and stay there haha... for those brave enough to listen to them.
edit: ah, it's not as bad as I thought... just the first 10 or so entries in the main list.
On April 05 2011 13:07 LightningStrike wrote: I redoing a game i recomended earlier in the thread BoxeR vs Cool SPL 2007(don't know the date =() + Show Spoiler [Vod] +
On April 07 2011 04:11 Chef wrote: I am trying to go through the main list to give votes, but I really don't like watching VODs with English commentary and sadly that is what many of them are.
Really? I only have 8/92 games for the whole thread listed as having English commentary, and only 6 of those are in the main list right now. (There's another in French.) I might have missed a couple, but surely these are only a minority of games.
I did try to link to Korean versions wherever available; the ones with only English VODs didn't have Korean VODs up on YouTube as far as I could tell. Ideally, I'd like to link to two VODs for every game if possible: one in English and one in Korean. It's on the (very) long-term list of things to do in the OP. The only one I've done that for so far is Stork vs. GGPlay, which Jonvvv uploaded in Korean to YouTube after it was posted in English in this thread.
Personally, although I prefer Korean VODs to English commentators who don't know much about the game, I'd still rather watch an English VOD than nothing at all, and in the case of commentators who have at least decent game knowledge (i.e. Cholera, as far as YouTube SC1 commentators go, anyway), I actually prefer English VODs slightly. It's kind of like watching with a friend, you know? Also, people new to watching a game usually prefer English commentary, to help them pick up the basics--it may be niche but I suspect it's a bigger niche than you realize, considering the influx of newcomers to TL since Starcraft 2 came out.
Meanwhile, I don't see why English commentary should scare people like you away from watching any VODs. I know you like to be thorough, but if you don't like those, just skip them. I'll try to do a better job of marking which VODs are in English.
It's also sub-optimal to use hour long 10 Years Star Age videos for 15 minute games....
I actually don't see what the big deal is here. It is definitely annoying when the game starts half an hour in and you have to find where it starts--for those VODs I tried to make sure the embedded video started at the right time--but does it really matter so much if the VOD goes on after the game ends? If you're actually watching the game, you'll know when it ends, and you can stop watching then. I suppose there would be a little unnecessary bandwidth overhead. Does that make a big difference to some people?
On April 05 2011 13:07 LightningStrike wrote: I redoing a game i recomended earlier in the thread BoxeR vs Cool SPL 2007(don't know the date =() + Show Spoiler [Vod] +
BW Noob here. I was only really into BW when I was like 10-14. Only played really at other peoples houses (usually for hours at a time because I was sooo freakin addicted at one point). Anyways I really just wanted to point out that this is my favorite thread in possibly all of TL, the sheer amount of awesomeness contained within this thread shouldn't be allowed.
took a quick look through the OP, didn't see this game
Stork vs GoRush, Neo Requiem, 2005 SKY Proleague finals, 1set
this game has almost every zerg/protoss unit, and almost every spell is used. it's even got red (plague) purple (acid spores) and green (ensnare) at the same time!
Reality is down 0-1 against the best player in the world, on a Zerg favored map. It's up to him to knock Jaedong out of the MSL. How will he try to do it?
^I haven't updated the OP in a while, since there are over 50 games in the OP already and voting has dried up, but if I ever do get to getting the OP with the above game I'll have to include a new poll, you know. Games that have just happened do tend to be more exciting, but the poll's options should still be unbiased.
On June 14 2011 23:59 Kipsate wrote: Actually Iris vs Shy of the last Hwaseung OZ vs Airforce Ace is a rather interesting play aswell, ill add the vod when it comes available but:
On June 14 2011 23:59 Kipsate wrote: Actually Iris vs Shy of the last Hwaseung OZ vs Airforce Ace is a rather interesting play aswell, ill add the vod when it comes available but:
Also weird & unusual from that series would also be JD breaking his + Show Spoiler +
loss streak
I haven't watched a lot of games really, but I did watch that one. I have to say, there wasn't much weird and unusual about the game itself. Things that are exciting because of context at the time are usually not very exciting to watch months later. That's why I'd like to suggest that people only recommend games that they remember from some time ago: it's the best way to ensure quality, IMO.
Also, Jaedong ending a string of losses is not unusual at all. If anything, it was the previous game (his 5th loss in a row) that was the unprecedented thing, but does anyone actually care to watch that one?
Awesome thread, thanks for making a list that's easy to navigate as well. Once I have more time I'll sit down and try to cram as many as I can and then comment on them. Thanks for all the vods and lolz everyone! :D
On June 14 2011 23:59 Kipsate wrote: Actually Iris vs Shy of the last Hwaseung OZ vs Airforce Ace is a rather interesting play aswell, ill add the vod when it comes available but:
Also weird & unusual from that series would also be JD breaking his + Show Spoiler +
loss streak
Also, Jaedong ending a string of losses is not unusual at all. If anything, it was the previous game (his 5th loss in a row) that was the unprecedented thing, but does anyone actually care to watch that one?
Oh no no no. What I meant was JD breaking his loss streak record, not JD ending his loss streak. Sorry my bad choice of words.
Bisu vs Hyvaa g1 would also qualify for this, but I don't think we'd get our hands on the VOD. I'll post a more relevant thing when we get the VOD of the game. Or rather IF we get the VOD of the game.
On June 18 2011 04:41 Djagulingu wrote: Bisu vs Hyvaa g1 would also qualify for this, but I don't think we'd get our hands on the VOD. I'll post a more relevant thing when we get the VOD of the game. Or rather IF we get the VOD of the game.
I read also from the OSL Preliminaries thread "hyvaa revolutionizing zvp". Could someone describe briefly what happened?
OK, I'm making it official: ONLY recommend games from at least a month ago, please. Sooo many games that seem cool when they happen don't pass the test of time.
edit: well, maybe not "official" but at least a strong recommendation.
Also please vote!
Also thanks for all the recommendations and other useful posts in this thread!
Ehh I wouldn't call it that unusual. He transitioned in to mech, so vessels aren't nearly as useful compared to a late game bio game. There's already a handful of games that play out in that fashion.
A number of games in the main list gathered enough votes (or enough "No" votes) to move them off of that list. I added 4 more games to the OP to fill the gap they left.
I added a new category for games where one or two votes could affect their placement, so if you want to have a quick impact on the OP, you can watch/vote-on one of those.
On March 02 2011 09:34 Hesmyrr wrote: Hello, I'm sorry to bother you about this but can you include Battle Reports for the games in the OP? Really would love to see live reactions of TLers to these awesome games. I know I could definitely do it by just clicking through TLPD few times, but it would be convenient
On March 02 2011 09:44 qrs wrote: I actually thought about doing that, because I also like going back and reading the live reactions, but then I wasn't sure how many people actually cared. I did start linking to TLPD pages, which makes the live reports just two clicks away, but I'll put direct links to the LR on my to-do list now.
On March 02 2011 10:06 Hesmyrr wrote: Thanks, your effort is appreciated. Good luck with your thread~
On August 22 2011 01:47 LightningStrike wrote: Some games need to be moved due to how many votes on them (example #52)
The voting pretty much dried up in this thread, which is why the lists in the OP have been stagnant for so long. The admittedly arbitrary cut-off point for archiving a game is 20 votes: some of the games in the main list are close to that, but none have reached it.
Because of your post, I looked through the lists again and added two games (61 and 90) to the "Your vote matters" spoiler.
I've updated the main list a little bit now: moving a few games between lists. The reason that there haven't been any new games added to it in a while is that the voting dried to a trickle, and I figure there's no point in replacing games if people haven't seen the old ones yet. A few more votes on a few of the games, though, and I'll archive them and add new ones.
On March 02 2011 02:28 [WoH]-RAGE wrote: epic MUST see game where rainbow won the game only with economy harass in 3 bases (reaver and storm drops nonstop)
Recommended on March 02 2011 02:28 by [WoH]-RAGE, who wrote: epic MUST see game where rainbow won the game only with economy harass in 3 bases (reaver and storm drops nonstop)
On March 02 2011 02:28 [WoH]-RAGE wrote: epic MUST see game where rainbow won the game only with economy harass in 3 bases (reaver and storm drops nonstop)
Recommended on March 02 2011 02:28 by [WoH]-RAGE, who wrote: epic MUST see game where rainbow won the game only with economy harass in 3 bases (reaver and storm drops nonstop)
For those who care: Artosis sighting at 3:08 of game #54 (Much vs Bisu in the Incruit OSL). This was before he achieved his current height of fame and fortune. And is that a young IdrA next to him?
Oh my gosh, #56 is sooo EPIC!!!!! I was laughing sooo much watching it... I love starcraft... Oh you have to add Flash vs Leta.... It was the most recent playoff games~ SOOO AWESOME!!!!
I spent some time updating the OP. In particular, I expanded the category of "English commentary available" and I created a new category for "miniatures", or games that are under 10 minutes long. Not all of the categories are thoroughly covered, but these two are now.
After falling behind in the midgame, chalrenge turtles up behind cannons, DAs, HTs, arbiters, and archons in one corner while Rock tries to break in with his own arbiters. + Show Spoiler [SS] +
Heading out in a second, forgot about this thread, has the draw between I think it was Leta and Tempest a few months back been posted? It was in a LR thread I made if that helps finding it
On September 15 2011 16:58 sixfour wrote: Heading out in a second, forgot about this thread, has the draw between I think it was Leta and Tempest a few months back been posted? It was in a LR thread I made if that helps finding it
After falling behind in the midgame, chalrenge turtles up behind cannons, DAs, HTs, arbiters, and archons in one corner while Rock tries to break in with his own arbiters. + Show Spoiler [SS] +
#44 in the OP (in the archives, which means it was popular).
On September 15 2011 16:58 sixfour wrote: Heading out in a second, forgot about this thread, has the draw between I think it was Leta and Tempest a few months back been posted? It was in a LR thread I made if that helps finding it
On September 15 2011 17:23 Elyvilon wrote: I'm grouping these games together because they are very similar and I feel like game 5 becomes more interesting after watching game 1.
In the OP separately, as #94 and #17, respectively. I'll follow your advice and group them.edit: spoke too hastily--only the fifth one is there, as #17. #94 was from an earlier round in the same MSL.
Thanks for putting the time in to post and format these games, even if some were already mentioned. Don't feel like your effort was wasted--I copy all of the relevant posts into the "comments from the thread" sections. The more people independently recommend the same game, the more likely it is to be good.
For the most part, I've been going through the thread in order, and the OP does not even cover through the first six pages, so it would have been a while before I got to your post, but since one of your recommendations is of a game that is linked to one already in the thread, I'll make that the next one I add.
I couldn't find ToT)Xiaozi( (China/Canada) v Play.Satanik (Greece) in the list. Its not a korean pro game, but was played by some of the top foreigners of the time. A 50-minute ZvZ that has everything. If i remember it correctly it has every zerg unit, although i cant remember if there were Ultras. Was voted pimpest play 2006 and is easily my favorite ZvZ of all time.
I could only find a 5-piece version commented by Cholera on youtube I really wanna see it again, as i haven't done it in like 4 years.
After falling behind in the midgame, chalrenge turtles up behind cannons, DAs, HTs, arbiters, and archons in one corner while Rock tries to break in with his own arbiters. + Show Spoiler [SS] +
#44 in the OP (in the archives, which means it was popular).
On September 15 2011 16:58 sixfour wrote: Heading out in a second, forgot about this thread, has the draw between I think it was Leta and Tempest a few months back been posted? It was in a LR thread I made if that helps finding it
On September 15 2011 17:23 Elyvilon wrote: I'm grouping these games together because they are very similar and I feel like game 5 becomes more interesting after watching game 1.
In the OP separately, as #94 and #17, respectively. I'll follow your advice and group them.edit: spoke too hastily--only the fifth one is there, as #17. #94 was from an earlier round in the same MSL.
Thanks for putting the time in to post and format these games, even if some were already mentioned. Don't feel like your effort was wasted--I copy all of the relevant posts into the "comments from the thread" sections. The more people independently recommend the same game, the more likely it is to be good.
For the most part, I've been going through the thread in order, and the OP does not even cover through the first six pages, so it would have been a while before I got to your post, but since one of your recommendations is of a game that is linked to one already in the thread, I'll make that the next one I add.
Oh, I missed the archive section. I feel moderately silly now, even if it was still marginally helpful.
On September 15 2011 16:58 sixfour wrote: Heading out in a second, forgot about this thread, has the draw between I think it was Leta and Tempest a few months back been posted? It was in a LR thread I made if that helps finding it
I think you're talking about Leta vs Pure,
Nope, that one went to late game, the one I'm thinking of was drawn fairly early
edit - found it, was Tempest against Tiny in May in proleague
After falling behind in the midgame, chalrenge turtles up behind cannons, DAs, HTs, arbiters, and archons in one corner while Rock tries to break in with his own arbiters. + Show Spoiler [SS] +
#44 in the OP (in the archives, which means it was popular).
On September 15 2011 17:04 Elyvilon wrote:
On September 15 2011 16:58 sixfour wrote: Heading out in a second, forgot about this thread, has the draw between I think it was Leta and Tempest a few months back been posted? It was in a LR thread I made if that helps finding it
On September 15 2011 17:23 Elyvilon wrote: I'm grouping these games together because they are very similar and I feel like game 5 becomes more interesting after watching game 1.
In the OP separately, as #94 and #17, respectively. I'll follow your advice and group them.edit: spoke too hastily--only the fifth one is there, as #17. #94 was from an earlier round in the same MSL.
Thanks for putting the time in to post and format these games, even if some were already mentioned. Don't feel like your effort was wasted--I copy all of the relevant posts into the "comments from the thread" sections. The more people independently recommend the same game, the more likely it is to be good.
For the most part, I've been going through the thread in order, and the OP does not even cover through the first six pages, so it would have been a while before I got to your post, but since one of your recommendations is of a game that is linked to one already in the thread, I'll make that the next one I add.
Oh, I missed the archive section. I feel moderately silly now, even if it was still marginally helpful.
Well, the archive section is deliberately inconspicuous. I wanted people to give some attention to newer additions, and vote on them, rather than sticking to the only the ones that have stood the test of time.
In general, I'd say that if you want to suggest a game here, by all means post it without checking to see if it's been posted before. It's a good thing when people double-recommend: it tells us something. If you're going to go to some effort to track down dates and VODs and format your post, then it's worthwhile to first click All and then search to see if someone has posted a formatted version of the game before you or if it has been added to the OP already.
Meanwhile, your last suggestion actually turned out to be very helpful. There had been some confusion about those games, and the one that was already in the OP had been mislabeled as the other. I hadn't actually watched either game myself, and I hadn't even realized that there were two such similar games out there. After your post, I watched both games, and I agree with you that they are not only worth watching but worth watching together. I've added them as a pair now, to the bottom of the OP. I included a long, melodramatic write-up, as well. I'm afraid I got carried away...
On September 15 2011 16:58 sixfour wrote: Heading out in a second, forgot about this thread, has the draw between I think it was Leta and Tempest a few months back been posted? It was in a LR thread I made if that helps finding it
I think you're talking about Leta vs Pure,
Nope, that one went to late game, the one I'm thinking of was drawn fairly early
edit - found it, was Tempest against Tiny in May in proleague
Cool, thanks for tracking it down. It sounds like a great addition to the thread.
As for the OP, judging by the current pace, I may get to both of your suggestions in around twenty years or so. The last addition has brought us to game #100, though! Cheers!
Stork goes hidden base, double proxy stargate carriers. Also, later he builds corsairs and attacks his own carriers deliberately and for a good reason.
Stork goes hidden base, double proxy stargate carriers. Also, later he builds corsairs and attacks his own carriers deliberately and for a good reason.
By coincidence, I had added this game to the OP shortly before you posted it. I've updated it with your comment. If anyone wants their vote for this game to be visible beyond this page of the thread, they should probably go vote in the poll that's in the OP.
I hadn't noticed earlier that TLPD had converted the name "Shine" into the wrong player, I borrowed your formatted version to correct that; thanks. Your date seems to be off by one, though.
The OP is "full" again, by the way, so I won't be adding any more games to it until some of the current games on the list get a few votes one way or the other.
This is a really cool list of BW games. I started out watching SC2 but this is really entertaining stuff. I look forward to watching the OSL. Awesome gateway drug into BW e-Sports.
By coincidence, I had added this game to the OP shortly before you posted it. I've updated it with your comment. If anyone wants their vote for this game to be visible beyond this page of the thread, they should probably go vote in the poll that's in the OP.
I notice there are already 4 votes in this poll. Go vote in the OP, if you want your votes to count! edit: the poll from the OP:
Poll: Is Silver vs Shine on Monty Hall worth watching?
Yes (21)
100%
No (0)
0%
21 total votes
Your vote: Is Silver vs Shine on Monty Hall worth watching?
On September 17 2011 07:18 MattBarry wrote: This is a really cool list of BW games. I started out watching SC2 but this is really entertaining stuff. I look forward to watching the OSL. Awesome gateway drug into BW e-Sports.
What is the most interesting thing about this game is that Boxer never scouted Pusan's build. Not once. He had no idea what Pusan was doing - but countered it perfectly. Using a build that had super fast scans he was easily able to dispatch of a 14nex -> dt build.
Seriously, this is the Gamesense of the Emperor. Nothing else comes close
Oh, it's been mentioned. The list of games in the OP is just full for now. There are probably hundreds of games recommended in the thread that haven't been added to the OP yet.
Ok, just watched that, and I must have made the Bisu face 5 times at least despite reading the "why watch". Just fucking awesome/incredible/hilarious etc ! Definitely recommended. And <3 Iron Curtain !
after some quick searching I couldn't find it, but I recall hearing someone talk about (maybe on TL attack?) a game where boxer sent an early scv to wall at a different location than the one he spawned at. does this game exist, because I would love to see it.
On October 05 2011 09:45 SilverJohnny wrote: after some quick searching I couldn't find it, but I recall hearing someone talk about (maybe on TL attack?) a game where boxer sent an early scv to wall at a different location than the one he spawned at. does this game exist, because I would love to see it.
could anyone shed some light on what the commentators were saying about halfway through, sounds like 'gas multi' something or other. i assume they're commenting on the fact that zero took two mineral only expansions, was this all there was to it? i almost feel like, because zero had around 2k mins to ~200 gas when hitting hive tech, he wasn't as far ahead as his amount of bases suggested
edited :2 fact vultures vultures from FBH with sexy opponents natural rax block into nuke fatality. + the whole circumstance of Kespa restarting the game (because their pinged map).
edit: I failed,thats what you get from trying to remember the games, i just rewatched it, got it backwards. Not sure if it counts as enough unusual game to put on list
Canata vs Jaedong in 2012. Let that sink in. Canata pulls out a quirky, ballsy, and unusual air control tactic. But does it work out?
Longest TvZ game involving valks. Longest TvZ game involving 0 vessals First TvZ game with +3 air attack First TvZ game involving 0 ebay. (excluding pool rushes) First TvZ game involving +65 OL Kills (commentator supported)
P.S. - also remembered as the day when Hyuk, Canata, and great spontaneously all won. 2012 is truly here.
Not sure if it was unusual or not but I remember a VOD of Bisu slaughtering a Zerg with multi prong attacks, like 4-5 places at a time while moving around the map with his corsairs killing ovies and scourges. He followed it up with a push and ended the game I think. It was crazy. Someone gave me the link long time ago but I forgot it. It was really, really impressive to see. Does anyone know the game?
I don't know the name of the map but the texture was the space tile. That's what I remember.
On January 08 2012 02:49 Bleak wrote: Not sure if it was unusual or not but I remember a VOD of Bisu slaughtering a Zerg with multi prong attacks, like 4-5 places at a time while moving around the map with his corsairs killing ovies and scourges. He followed it up with a push and ended the game I think. It was crazy. Someone gave me the link long time ago but I forgot it. It was really, really impressive to see. Does anyone know the game?
I don't know the name of the map but the texture was the space tile. That's what I remember.
Did the game have reavers? Then it's most likely Bisu vs Yellow[arnc]... But i don't find the game unusual - just classical bisu.
On January 08 2012 02:49 Bleak wrote: Not sure if it was unusual or not but I remember a VOD of Bisu slaughtering a Zerg with multi prong attacks, like 4-5 places at a time while moving around the map with his corsairs killing ovies and scourges. He followed it up with a push and ended the game I think. It was crazy. Someone gave me the link long time ago but I forgot it. It was really, really impressive to see. Does anyone know the game?
I don't know the name of the map but the texture was the space tile. That's what I remember.
Did the game have reavers? Then it's most likely Bisu vs Yellow[arnc]... But i don't find the game unusual - just classical bisu.
Ahh that sounds familiar...I think that was it I'll check that up right now.
It wasn't unusual? Then I think for me the classical Bisu is really crazy and amazing, so maybe it's unusual because of that :D
EDIT: I found the entire match from Youtube, and definitely it was this game. The video I remember was shorter though, and edited to show Bisu's multitasking.
On September 15 2011 09:52 qrs wrote: For those who care: Artosis sighting at 3:08 of game #54 (Much vs Bisu in the Incruit OSL). This was before he achieved his current height of fame and fortune. And is that a young IdrA next to him?
but for some reason I never moved that comment into the "comments from the thread" section of that game in the OP, so I can't blame you for missing it. Also I didn't take a screenshot.
That Jaehoon vs Horang2 game is awesome xD. Nice catch!
but for some reason I never moved that comment into the "comments from the thread" section of that game in the OP, so I can't blame you for missing it. Also I didn't take a screenshot.
No problem sir and again thanks for this thread, almost every game is a great pleasure to watch
On January 16 2012 05:31 DYEAlabaster wrote: Someone needs to show Naniwa the BoxeR vs. Yellow game. But this is a really awesome thread! thanks for all the games!
More like every sc2 pro :O on a side note Nada vs Gorush YATGK MSL finals set 4 + Show Spoiler [VOD] +
Nada was going to lose a expansion to pure ultra ling but he used a medic wall to stop the attack from doing alot of damage which is listed in the pinpest play list 2005 also guardians are used too :D
I don't think I can see it on the list and I can't find the right one. But there was a showmatch between Bisu and Flash where they pretended to be playing their actual race, but had really switched and were off-racing. Bisu's vulture harasses were pretty crazy, but then Flash pulled out some godly Carrier micro and told him "this is how you micro carriers."
Does anyone know which one that was? Because I think that one could qualify for both cool and unusual.
On January 19 2012 06:40 Falling wrote: I don't think I can see it on the list and I can't find the right one. But there was a showmatch between Bisu and Flash where they pretended to be playing their actual race, but had really switched and were off-racing. Bisu's vulture harasses were pretty crazy, but then Flash pulled out some godly Carrier micro and told him "this is how you micro carriers."
Does anyone know which one that was? Because I think that one could qualify for both cool and unusual.
On January 19 2012 06:40 Falling wrote: I don't think I can see it on the list and I can't find the right one. But there was a showmatch between Bisu and Flash where they pretended to be playing their actual race, but had really switched and were off-racing. Bisu's vulture harasses were pretty crazy, but then Flash pulled out some godly Carrier micro and told him "this is how you micro carriers."
Does anyone know which one that was? Because I think that one could qualify for both cool and unusual.
That was bisu vs flash @proleague allstars Here the vod
Thank you Lightening. It's such a fun game seeing how their strengths translate when off-racing. I just wish there were captions on what they were typing back and forth.
PvT game Bisu vs Flash in an all star match starts normal enough, until about the 12 minute mark where it is revealed that Flash is playing Protoss and Bisu was the Terran. Flash later switches to Carrier and unveils some excellent carrier micro. At which point, Flash comments that "Hyung, this is how you use carriers."
The LR comments start at page 109. It's pretty fun reading them as there are complaints about it simply being a standard game with no-offracing... until the big reveal and the thread just explodes.
On January 16 2012 05:31 DYEAlabaster wrote: Someone needs to show Naniwa the BoxeR vs. Yellow game. But this is a really awesome thread! thanks for all the games!
More like every sc2 pro :O on a side note Nada vs Gorush YATGK MSL finals set 4 + Show Spoiler [Reason] +
Nada was going to lose a expansion to pure ultra ling but he used a medic wall to stop the attack from doing alot of damage which is listed in the pinpest play list 2005 also guardians are used too :D
On January 16 2012 05:31 DYEAlabaster wrote: Someone needs to show Naniwa the BoxeR vs. Yellow game. But this is a really awesome thread! thanks for all the games!
More like every sc2 pro :O on a side note Nada vs Gorush YATGK MSL finals set 4 + Show Spoiler [Reason] +
Nada was going to lose a expansion to pure ultra ling but he used a medic wall to stop the attack from doing alot of damage which is listed in the pinpest play list 2005 also guardians are used too :D
Jangbi was on a verge to losing to Fantasy but ended up getting the most amazing come back game in the osl finals history and the entire series is unusaly because no psi storm was ever used in it but this set was most notable though since Jangbi stopped Fantasy on every last effort to win the OSL
Hey guys, thanks for continuing to vote on the games in the OP! A few games have finally passed the threshold to be taken off the main list (I archive after 20 votes and demote if a game has at least 5 and a substantial percentage of "no" votes), so there will be some turnover in the OP at last. I've taken three games off the list already, and when I get a bit more time, I'll add three new ones to take their place.
Hey, i just remembered a game in which i think it was Boxer managed to win surprisingly. Surprisingly because it was a very hard map for terran, because you couldn't build turrets on it. If someone could help me at least with the map (i hope there is not a big number of maps you can't build turrets on), then i would manage to find it by myself and add it here
I just played a 2v2 on starcraft 2 where my teammate left at 8 minutes because he wanted to 3rr and i pretty much told him to fuck off so he raged. And i won the game without him, diamond league the toss and zerg i was playing were terribad but i beat a 30 min game with nothing but mmm micro and drops all over the map.
I have never seen so much rage in one ladder game, but it was so fun!
On January 24 2012 05:23 FlyingToilet wrote: I just played a 2v2 on starcraft 2 where my teammate left at 8 minutes because he wanted to 3rr and i pretty much told him to fuck off so he raged. And i won the game without him, diamond league the toss and zerg i was playing were terribad but i beat a 30 min game with nothing but mmm micro and drops all over the map.
I have never seen so much rage in one ladder game, but it was so fun!
Not really what this thread is about (original title was, "Most Unusual Pro Starcraft Games" and it's in the Brood War forum) but congratulations.
i found another english commentary for bisu vs pokju it by cholerasc
This is the funniest englsih commentary version of the game i ever watched and Grrrr... vs sigamari MSL prelims set 2 i believe (somone check which set it was) on Blade Storm + Show Spoiler [VOD] +
This was during Grrr's time as progamer where he had to play sigamari and had to used billions of maelstrom to destory sigamari's forces for ever battle
On January 24 2012 12:37 LightningStrike wrote: i found another english commentary for bisu vs pokju it by cholerasc
Thanks! I've updated the OP with that and a couple of other things, including a new game, at last (Boxer vs. Sheis, a game from Boxer's Air Force days.)
Amazing thread here, I had just recently dl'd BW to check out some old replays, well this thread meant I didn't even need to, thanks for the effort from everyone.
Quick question; in the Jaedong vs Calm game after Kwanro tried what he did to Calm, Jaedong just owned him, I'm wondering if anyone knows a vod of Jaedong being 5 pooled like that? I guess alot of people must've tried it considering his ZvZ record?
On January 26 2012 18:27 Fojji wrote: Amazing thread here, I had just recently dl'd BW to check out some old replays, well this thread meant I didn't even need to, thanks for the effort from everyone.
Quick question; in the Jaedong vs Calm game after Kwanro tried what he did to Calm, Jaedong just owned him, I'm wondering if anyone knows a vod of Jaedong being 5 pooled like that? I guess alot of people must've tried it considering his ZvZ record?
Almost no one ever tries 4- or 5-pool in any match-up except once in a long while as a gimmick. There might be a game of Jaedong being 5-pooled out there, but if there is, I can't remember it.
On January 26 2012 08:02 LightningStrike wrote: I found a korean commentary vod for bisu vs pokju since i saw that the one you got in the op is on google vod
On January 26 2012 21:40 qrs wrote: Almost no one ever tries 4- or 5-pool in any match-up except once in a long while as a gimmick. There might be a game of Jaedong being 5-pooled out there, but if there is, I can't remember it.
Jaedong 4pooled Flash twice in a row in the Korean Air OSL S2 finals
On January 26 2012 21:40 qrs wrote: Almost no one ever tries 4- or 5-pool in any match-up except once in a long while as a gimmick. There might be a game of Jaedong being 5-pooled out there, but if there is, I can't remember it.
Jaedong 4pooled Flash twice in a row in the Korean Air OSL S2 finals
Yeah, I remember that. Jaedong's done it more than most in important games like that. This doesn't contradict my point, though, does it?
On January 27 2012 00:16 Nightmare-br wrote: This is pretty much the best thread ever.
That picture needs some words to help people figure out what was happening :o
I don't know, I kind of like the simplicity of the image that allows people's imaginations to create the scenario. If it needs an explanation, perhaps 'self-handicap' is apt.
That picture needs some words to help people figure out what was happening :o
I don't know, I kind of like the simplicity of the image that allows people's imaginations to create the scenario. If it needs an explanation, perhaps 'self-handicap' is apt.
That picture needs some words to help people figure out what was happening :o
That's why they watch the game
I agree with LightningStrike: the picture alone wouldn't be enough to intrigue me. Clusters of hydras are not all that unusual or interesting on their own. "Self-handicap" might be enough to get me interested, though. (Speaking as someone who hasn't seen this game yet, by the way.)
That picture needs some words to help people figure out what was happening :o
That's why they watch the game
I agree with LightningStrike: the picture alone wouldn't be enough to intrigue me. Clusters of hydras are not all that unusual or interesting on their own. "Self-handicap" might be enough to get me interested, though. (Speaking as someone who hasn't seen this game yet, by the way.)
Your thread, your call. I've updated the post to include the VOD, watch it and see what you think is more fitting (you won't regret it ). As an alternative image, someone was gonna put troll faces on those drones, I'm not sure whether that's been done.
That picture needs some words to help people figure out what was happening :o
That's why they watch the game
I agree with LightningStrike: the picture alone wouldn't be enough to intrigue me. Clusters of hydras are not all that unusual or interesting on their own. "Self-handicap" might be enough to get me interested, though. (Speaking as someone who hasn't seen this game yet, by the way.)
Your thread, your call. I've updated the post to include the VOD, watch it and see what you think is more fitting (you won't regret it ). As an alternative image, someone was gonna put troll faces on those drones, I'm not sure whether that's been done.
Personally I like: -"This game is artistic humour" (lol) -JD wants us to watch it!
I may have started the thread, but it's your post. I wasn't speaking as the "threadmaster"; just as a guy who hadn't seen the game. To people who have already watched the game, that picture is worth a thousand words, but to someone who hasn't seen it, it doesn't convey particularly much: just a group of hydras, lings and a few drones. An animated gif of the scene would do a little more, by showing that the drones were blocking the hydras, but even that wouldn't show the tension of this going on for an enormous chunk of the game.
Anyway, I've watched the game now, and personally, didn't find it all that entertaining: just an example of some shockingly sloppy play. That doesn't mean that others won't like it, or that it's not a worthwhile post in this thread: it's certainly unusual (especially given who the Zerg was), and I'm sure that there are lots of people who like games like this one. (There's even "facepalm" category in the OP just for games of this sort.) Thanks for the post!
For my part, I prefer the previous game in that series (Soulkey vs Sea on Sniper Ridge): a nice example of an unusual strat that is tried only very rarely and succeeds even more rarely, shown off to perfection. + Show Spoiler [VOD] +
On January 31 2012 02:54 vndestiny wrote: I would like to recommend a game between our belove progamers, currently missing from the scene, Hiya & Violet VOD + Show Spoiler +
On February 13 2012 06:29 Percutio wrote: ...Or some of us have already seen this thread and only check it when it gets bumped by a new game that we might have missed.
On February 05 2012 09:59 LightningStrike wrote: Here is a english commentary of ChRh vs Bisu on monty hall by Cholera
Thanks. I missed this post when you first made it, but I've added that VOD to the OP now.
About adding more VODs to the OP... I don't know. I'd figured that as it is, not too many people have watched the ones that are there already (judging by the vote counts in the polls), so why bother adding more. On the other hand, voting has slowed to a trickle compared to the early days of the thread. I've thought about asking Manifesto to spotlight it again, but it seems a bit crass to ask for that.
Hmm, it's almost the thread's anniversary, though. Maybe for that...
OMG, anybody who is remotely interested in the sort of games contained in this thread, you have got to see Flash vs Best from the recent KT vs SKT match. + Show Spoiler [VOD] +
I don't even know what to say about this one. I mean, in a way it's sort of the logical culmination of the playstyle that Flash has been using since the season began, but in another way, you've really got to see it to believe it.
To recommend this game from a different angle, if this bears any weight with you, I was getting tired of the games in this thread. As unusual as they may have been, gather them all together in one place and even these games started looking the same, most of them. Proxies, uncommon units, uncommon abilities, I'd seen it all.
I'd never seen a game like this one.
This game could have been theorycrafted by a six-year-old. It took Flash to play it. Go watch it already!
Poll: Is Flash vs Best on Jade worth watching?
Yes (22)
85%
No (4)
15%
26 total votes
Your vote: Is Flash vs Best on Jade worth watching?
On February 20 2012 08:40 qrs wrote: OMG, anybody who is remotely interested in the sort of games contained in this thread, you have got to see Flash vs Best from the recent KT vs SKT match. + Show Spoiler [VOD] +
I don't even know what to say about this one. I mean, in a way it's sort of the logical culmination of the playstyle that Flash has been using since the season began, but in another way, you've really got to see it to believe it.
To recommend this game from a different angle, if this bears any weight with you, I was getting tired of the games in this thread. As unusual as they may have been, gather them all together in one place and even these games started looking the same, most of them. Proxies, uncommon units, uncommon abilities, I'd seen it all.
I'd never seen a game like this one.
This game could have been theorycrafted by a six-year-old. It took Flash to play it. Go watch it already!
Poll: Is Flash vs Best on Jade worth watching?
Yes (22)
85%
No (4)
15%
26 total votes
Your vote: Is Flash vs Best on Jade worth watching?
This game is indeed unusal due to the fact that flash 8 rax bunker rush 1 gate core to hell and sucessed on winning without a factory and only 1 rax of rines :o
On February 20 2012 08:40 qrs wrote: OMG, anybody who is remotely interested in the sort of games contained in this thread, you have got to see Flash vs Best from the recent KT vs SKT match. + Show Spoiler [VOD] +
I don't even know what to say about this one. I mean, in a way it's sort of the logical culmination of the playstyle that Flash has been using since the season began, but in another way, you've really got to see it to believe it.
To recommend this game from a different angle, if this bears any weight with you, I was getting tired of the games in this thread. As unusual as they may have been, gather them all together in one place and even these games started looking the same, most of them. Proxies, uncommon units, uncommon abilities, I'd seen it all.
I'd never seen a game like this one.
This game could have been theorycrafted by a six-year-old. It took Flash to play it. Go watch it already!
Poll: Is Flash vs Best on Jade worth watching?
Yes (22)
85%
No (4)
15%
26 total votes
Your vote: Is Flash vs Best on Jade worth watching?
This game is indeed unusal due to the fact that flash 8 rax bunker rush 1 gate core to hell and sucessed on winning without a factory and only 1 rax of rines :o
Yes, from the amount of "no" votes in this poll and the one in the LR thread, it seems clear that lots of people didn't like this game, but I don't see how anyone could deny that this one is unusual. This game is to bunker rushing what the Jaedong vs Iris game (#63) is to mutalisk harassment.
On February 20 2012 08:40 qrs wrote: OMG, anybody who is remotely interested in the sort of games contained in this thread, you have got to see Flash vs Best from the recent KT vs SKT match. + Show Spoiler [VOD] +
I don't even know what to say about this one. I mean, in a way it's sort of the logical culmination of the playstyle that Flash has been using since the season began, but in another way, you've really got to see it to believe it.
To recommend this game from a different angle, if this bears any weight with you, I was getting tired of the games in this thread. As unusual as they may have been, gather them all together in one place and even these games started looking the same, most of them. Proxies, uncommon units, uncommon abilities, I'd seen it all.
I'd never seen a game like this one.
This game could have been theorycrafted by a six-year-old. It took Flash to play it. Go watch it already!
Poll: Is Flash vs Best on Jade worth watching?
Yes (22)
85%
No (4)
15%
26 total votes
Your vote: Is Flash vs Best on Jade worth watching?
This game is indeed unusal due to the fact that flash 8 rax bunker rush 1 gate core to hell and sucessed on winning without a factory and only 1 rax of rines :o
Yes, from the amount of "no" votes in this poll and the one in the LR thread, it seems clear that lots of people didn't like this game, but I don't see how anyone could deny that this one is unusual. This game is to bunker rushing what the Jaedong vs Iris game (#63) is to mutalisk harassment.
What you just said is very true it bugged me because i accualy thought it was a funny game and rec'd the game but alot people hate it due to extreme cheese and also makes me wonder how flash manged to just use 1 rax rines and still destory best as he shoulda made another rax so more rines can come and reinforce :\ but still amazing game play from flash+ Show Spoiler +
from Day 2 of KT vs CJ in the Proleague playoffs a couple of nights ago deserves a place in this thread, imo. An unusual rush from one of the players takes the game out of standard territory from the first, leading to a short but tense game that hinges on micro and on-the-spot decision making. At different moments it seems like each player is going to win.
An unusual rush from one of the players takes the game out of standard territory from the first., leading to a short but tense game that hinges on micro and on-the-spot decision making. At different moments it seems like each player is going to win.
On June 30 2012 18:54 Sawamura wrote: Looking for a vod where really blind the protoss opponent observer with medic and proceed to own the player . Can anyone kindly link me to that vod ?
On June 30 2012 18:54 Sawamura wrote: Looking for a vod where really blind the protoss opponent observer with medic and proceed to own the player . Can anyone kindly link me to that vod ?
#48 in the OP. Currently it's in the "Games that might be worth watching" list, because a number of people didn't think it was worth the watch, so if you want it bumped back to the "Hall of Fame" section, vote "Yes" in the original poll.
I finally found the game I was so hard looking for, earlier post from myself:
On January 24 2012 04:05 WerderBremen wrote: Hey, i just remembered a game in which i think it was Boxer managed to win surprisingly. Surprisingly because it was a very hard map for terran, because you couldn't build turrets on it. If someone could help me at least with the map (i hope there is not a big number of maps you can't build turrets on), then i would manage to find it by myself and add it here
The game itself is actually not as cool and unusual as I was hoping it to be. But I just wanted to leave the information in this thread. The map is actually "Silent Vortex", and the game is between Boxer and Garimto in 2001 OSL Finals
From Gosugamers: Also, BoxeR competed in another StarLeague, SKY 2001. He played against the Protoss Player GARIMTO. In 5 Epic battles, BoxeR unfortunately lost 3-2. But what was actually amazing is that BoxeR won on the Ice Map, Silent Vortex, which was known for its horrible imbalance of TvP because of the Ice Vortex where you cannot build turrets on the ice and push out of your base. This victory on Vortex by BoxeR amazed lots of people, and he became more praised.
I'm trying to find a game. I remember it was BoxeR doing some insane dropship harass and completely focusing on it, letting his resources climb into 4 digets.
On November 28 2012 20:34 Gamegene wrote: I'm trying to find a game. I remember it was BoxeR doing some insane dropship harass and completely focusing on it, letting his resources climb into 4 digets.
hmmm to be more specific it was a much much later games (around 2010) where it was vs a newer player. and the resource count was something completely ridiculous like 4000-5000.
Although this thread has nearly dried up, a handful of votes continued to trickle in, so I've updated the OP for the first time in a long time. The following game was demoted to "Games that might be worth watching":
This game is unusual even for this thread: nearly every game in this thread was played in a professional league, but the two Bulgarians who played this game owe their place in Starcraft history to this game and this game alone.
What makes it unusual? Oh, just go watch it already. It's very short. I guarantee you won't regret it.
On March 03 2011 02:21 RaiZ wrote: Kiroff vs tapoto_kopele was really the greatest, too bad it's not a "pro" game, but it made me laugh for 5 minutes straight. I just couldn't believe how sharp they were thinking when they played this game.
Personally, I think that both are well worth watching. Admittedly, the first game does not contain any moments of mind-blowing genius, but it was still a historic game, and it's so short that what do you have to lose by watching it? The second game does contain moments of mind-blowing genius.
The KIROFF vs Taptoto_kopele game was so funny to watch it just kept me wanting to watch it again and again ^_^. A+ game right there for anyone wanting to watch the game and btw you could get the replay of it on sclegacy's website
the terran (who I understand was heavily favored in the match) proxied rax in the middle of the map, and the protoss using 1 dragoon and a shield battery managed to hold it off and come out with a win
If anybody knows what game I'm thinking of, I'd appreciate it if you could post a link. It was pretty awesome to watch.
On January 30 2013 09:13 n00b1n8R wrote: Not sure if this is the thread to ask in but I'm trying to find a VOD I saw about a year ago. It was a PvT where:
the terran (who I understand was heavily favored in the match) proxied rax in the middle of the map, and the protoss using 1 dragoon and a shield battery managed to hold it off and come out with a win
If anybody knows what game I'm thinking of, I'd appreciate it if you could post a link. It was pretty awesome to watch.
1. Ever since embedded videos began to load within spoilers, the OP of this thread had become nearly unloadable (unless your profile was set to not embed videos—which, btw, is a good idea since the spoiler change), so I changed the format of the OP to link to VODs rather than embed them, and updated all the old ones.
2. I updated the VODs that were in the main list of the OP and had stopped working. The problematic ones were VODs from the MSL: as a result of copyright takedown notices from MBC, all MSL VODs on the nevake account have been set to private. In most cases, I was able to find equivalent VODs on Youku. In the case of game #32 (Rainbow vs. Goodfriend on R-point in the Cyon MSL), I couldn't find another VOD for it, so I moved it back to the Games without VODs section.
After one player blows a build-order advantage, he turns to some unorthodox play to try to get back into it. Very close, rather unusual game. + Show Spoiler [more revealing detail] +
There hasn't been a single game that I haven't enjoyed! It does make me a little sad that the kespa is gone. I mean the TLS and SOSPA are amazing, but with the limited practice I don't think we will see such map specific strategies in the future : /
Bump, because, while it's been a long time, these games stand the test of it—and there are still many, many more: games that haven't made it into the thread yet, and games in the thread that haven't made it into the OP yet. If people start voting in the OP again, I'll start updating it again.
Some stats, just for the heck of it. These were compiled from the 41 games in the "Hall of Fame" (i.e. games many people saw and many people liked).
On June 06 2013 23:48 qrs wrote: Bump, because, while it's been a long time, these games stand the test of it—and there are still many, many more: games that haven't made it into the thread yet, and games in the thread that haven't made it into the OP yet. If people start voting in the OP again, I'll start updating it again.
Some stats, just for the heck of it. These were compiled from the 41 games in the "Hall of Fame" (i.e. games many people saw and many people liked).
One of the first replies redirected me here and I'm in awe!
My first immediate suggestion (which actually relates to my thread) would be to create a "Lockdown" or "Ghost" category. Would that be feasible? I noticed there is a "Mind Control" category already (I know mind control is usually more of a game changer though).
Also, I always wondered if it would be possible to generalize this whole idea. Has anybody here ever thought about creating a database and registering the games there? When registering the game, things like those below could be associated with the game, and searching for specific things would be very cool:
which units were used
length of the game
races
players
date
related tournament (if any)
some dynamic field to describe general things (like some of the categories posted in the OP)
I know there is quite a few people here that track every Brood War game. It would be a simple matter of somebody who would be in charge of registering those games in this database.
Anyways, I will CERTAINLY watch most of the videos in the OP still. This thread is almost a dream come true to me, thanks a lot qrs!
Just catch up some of the VODs that I missed in this thread and did a bunch of voting . Must say the OP did a superb job, in both implementing the idea for this thread and updating it too.
One of the first replies redirected me here and I'm in awe!
My first immediate suggestion (which actually relates to my thread) would be to create a "Lockdown" or "Ghost" category. Would that be feasible? I noticed there is a "Mind Control" category already (I know mind control is usually more of a game changer though). ... Anyways, I will CERTAINLY watch most of the videos in the OP still. This thread is almost a dream come true to me, thanks a lot qrs!
You're welcome: glad you enjoyed.
The categories are somewhat haphazard: there's no reason there shouldn't be a "Lockdown" or "Ghost" category except that I never added it. If you could give me the numbers of a few videos in the OP that fit one of those categories, I'd be happy to add the category to the OP.
On June 11 2013 09:52 Elyvilon wrote: The VOD for #5 is private.
Thanks, I'd missed that one (all the MBC-owned VODs on the Nevake account were set to private after MBC lodged a complaint). I've replaced it with an English commentary version by Cholera.
Thanks for the renewed interest and votes, everyone! As a result, I've moved two games out of the main list in the OP. I'll add a couple more to take their places, but it's getting late here, so I'll do that later.
One player launches an early attack, the other counter-attacks, and before you can spit three times, sAviOr is trading bases with a Protoss on Neo Requiem. Again. (cf. game #26)
Edit 2: and for counterpoint, an earlier game between these two in a GOM-sponsored event, recommended by the great Ver, himself. 114. sAviOr vs free; Zodiac; GOMTV MSL 3, Quarterfinals (4th game); 2007-10-25 + Show Spoiler [VOD] +
If you've watched most of the games in the OP and you're looking for more: let me put in a plug for the "games that might be worth watching list". While the games there were not as universally liked as the others, they were all nominated by at least one person, and several of them are very close to the (essentially arbitrary) cutoff point for putting a game in the "Hall of Fame" archive.
Even the games that got mostly "No" votes might be better than they seem. I just watched game #77, which had only 1 "yes" votes to five "no" votes until just now—but in fact the game is much more interesting than the vote would indicate. I blame the negative vote on the original, uninformative description, combined with the fact that the novelty of this game is subtle enough that it's easy to miss if you're not watching the opening carefully, but IMHO, the innovative opening is enough on its own to justify a watch—and it doesn't hurt that the other player in the game is one of the best of all time. 77. Hwasin vs Jaedong; Blue Storm; Proleague; 2008-06-24 VOD + Show Spoiler [What makes this unusual?] +
On March 02 2011 14:34 Pyrthas wrote: Factory before depot, baby!
On March 02 2011 08:45 Kyuukyuu wrote: Hwasin vs. Jaedong on Blue Storm (PL): Another nice cheese build. Terrans love cheesing JD.
Seconding this. Factory before depot, baby! Hwasin did it again against hyvaa on Holy World in Bacchus2009. Not sure if you want to include both, or neither, or just one, or whatever, but here are the videos: [VODs]
Another VOD in the "Games that might be worth watching" section that is definitely worth watching, IMO, is game #96, Ruby vs Flash. Yes, it may not be the sort of thing you're expecting when you click on it, but isn't that what this thread is all about? Besides, it's a unique footnote in Starcraft history, and it takes so little of your time, how could it not be worth the watch? 96. RuBy vs Flash; Circuit Breaker; Proleague; 2010-10-26 VOD (no need to watch past the end of the game: a discussion by the Kespa refs follows, but their decision is to let the result stand) + Show Spoiler [What makes this unusual?] +
On February 20 2012 08:40 qrs wrote: OMG, anybody who is remotely interested in the sort of games contained in this thread, you have got to see Flash vs Best from the recent KT vs SKT match. [VOD] I don't even know what to say about this one. I mean, in a way it's sort of the logical culmination of the playstyle that Flash has been using since the season began, but in another way, you've really got to see it to believe it.
To recommend this game from a different angle, if this bears any weight with you, I was getting tired of the games in this thread. As unusual as they may have been, gather them all together in one place and even these games started looking the same, most of them. Proxies, uncommon units, uncommon abilities, I'd seen it all.
I'd never seen a game like this one.
This game could have been theorycrafted by a six-year-old. It took Flash to play it. Go watch it already!
On February 20 2012 09:34 LightningStrike wrote: This game is indeed unusal due to the fact that flash 8 rax bunker rush 1 gate core to hell and sucessed on winning without a factory and only 1 rax of rines :o
On February 20 2012 09:42 iSometric wrote: Flash just had excellent game sense and practice so he can just fuck over whoever 90% of the time.
On February 20 2012 09:34 LightningStrike wrote: .... This game is indeed unusal due to the fact that flash 8 rax bunker rush 1 gate core to hell and sucessed on winning without a factory and only 1 rax of rines :o
Yes, from the amount of "no" votes in this poll and the one in the LR thread, it seems clear that lots of people didn't like this game, but I don't see how anyone could deny that this one is unusual. This game is to bunker rushing what the Jaedong vs Iris game (#63) is to mutalisk harassment.
On February 20 2012 09:45 qrs wrote: Yes, from the amount of "no" votes in this poll and the one in the LR thread, it seems clear that lots of people didn't like this game, but I don't see how anyone could deny that this one is unusual. This game is to bunker rushing what the Jaedong vs Iris game (#63) is to mutalisk harassment.
What you just said is very true it bugged me because i accualy thought it was a funny game and rec'd the game but alot people hate it due to extreme cheese and also makes me wonder how flash manged to just use 1 rax rines and still destory best as he shoulda made another rax so more rines can come and reinforce :\ but still amazing game play from flash+ Show Spoiler +
77 is a well thought out opening (I've seen fac before depot once or twice on Aztec, but this one is probably better). I think it gets downvotes for being kind of a slow-death for Jaedong. He hangs on miraculously for awhile, but he never seems in a position to swing the pendulum back, isn't able to put real pressure back on his opponent after forcing him to cancel one CC, and eventually just wastes away. It doesn't help that the video resolution is a little bad. Not super unusual and not super action packed, but a well executed cheese which Hwansin holds the advantage of right through to the end. Not super sure how I want to vote on it.
97 is fine. It's not interesting because of the game, but it's worth having in the OP as a joke. I don't feel strongly about it, but I'll give it a yes because this is a database of weird stuff.
77 is a well thought out opening (I've seen fac before depot once or twice on Aztec, but this one is probably better). I think it gets downvotes for being kind of a slow-death for Jaedong. He hangs on miraculously for awhile, but he never seems in a position to swing the pendulum back, isn't able to put real pressure back on his opponent after forcing him to cancel one CC, and eventually just wastes away. It doesn't help that the video resolution is a little bad. Not super unusual and not super action packed, but a well executed cheese which Hwansin holds the advantage of right through to the end. Not super sure how I want to vote on it.
Well, one thing I'd like to say is that people should vote based on the game quality, not the video quality, because another video may be (or become) available. As for the game: I agree that after the opening, it was not particularly unusual, but I had never seen an opening like this one before, and I thought it was worth watching for that alone. You say you've seen it a couple of times on Aztec: is there something about that map or Blue Storm that conduces to this opening? I suppose easy walling-off is one necessary factor; is there anything else?
BTW, it's fine by me if you vote "no" on the game: I reposted it to expose it to people who might have overlooked it, not to influence their votes.
97 is fine. It's not interesting because of the game, but it's worth having in the OP as a joke. I don't feel strongly about it, but I'll give it a yes because this is a database of weird stuff.
It's back in the main list now, owing to recent voting.
I don't even need to open the VOD because I know what game this is and it is great lol.Yes vote of course.
Ah, thanks for drawing my attention to that poll: I see I messed up and accidentally made a new one for that game. I've replaced it with the original poll now (which means that your vote was lost; sorry!).
On June 14 2013 23:45 Figgy wrote: Game 1 is private. What the hell <_<
Do you think I'm constantly going through every VOD linked in the OP to see whether it's been taken down? When people tell me about something, I fix it. I've replaced the VOD for game 1 now.
I'm going to start casting these tonight since the sonic matches from today weren't available and I already have a calender event listed. I'm thinking Base Trades would be a fun one to start with.
77 is a well thought out opening (I've seen fac before depot once or twice on Aztec, but this one is probably better). I think it gets downvotes for being kind of a slow-death for Jaedong. He hangs on miraculously for awhile, but he never seems in a position to swing the pendulum back, isn't able to put real pressure back on his opponent after forcing him to cancel one CC, and eventually just wastes away. It doesn't help that the video resolution is a little bad. Not super unusual and not super action packed, but a well executed cheese which Hwansin holds the advantage of right through to the end. Not super sure how I want to vote on it.
Well, one thing I'd like to say is that people should vote based on the game quality, not the video quality, because another video may be (or become) available. As for the game: I agree that after the opening, it was not particularly unusual, but I had never seen an opening like this one before, and I thought it was worth watching for that alone. You say you've seen it a couple of times on Aztec: is there something about that map or Blue Storm that conduces to this opening? I suppose easy walling-off is one necessary factor; is there anything else?
BTW, it's fine by me if you vote "no" on the game: I reposted it to expose it to people who might have overlooked it, not to influence their votes.
I didn't vote because I'm not sure how interesting it is. I think when someone sees a game in hall of fame in this thread, it should definitely be worth watching. This one is iffy because there are a lot of far better games.
The proxy location is good on blue storm, and unless zerg had the practice to send a drone to that landing location when the fac goes down, he is unlikely to see it. I'm not sure if a second overlord gets to see it in good time. It's normally a very Zerg map, so you can give the Terran credit for getting a fact there so early. Probably Zergs are checking for a later proxy timing there. 7fac is not brand new tho, just not seen too often in pro games. Of course the reason that map is good for zerg is the mutalisk harass, which Jaedong never got to do. It's a straight loss if Zerg does drone scout or 9pool or anything. On a map like that tho, and against a player of that caliber, you might as well pull out the 1-time only cheese.
On June 15 2013 12:45 BisuDagger wrote: Casted 5 hall of fame base trade games tonight. It was tons of fun. Here's the channel to watch the vods: http://www.twitch.tv/bisudagger
Qrs I showered you with love on my stream, but thanks again for this thread.
On June 15 2013 12:45 BisuDagger wrote: Casted 5 hall of fame base trade games tonight. It was tons of fun. Here's the channel to watch the vods: http://www.twitch.tv/bisudagger
Qrs I showered you with love on my stream, but thanks again for this thread.
You're welcome, and thanks for mentioning me. ♥ you too. BTW, if those games are going to stay up on your Twitch account, I could link to them as English commentary VODs for those games.
In other news, I added game #116 to the Hall of Fame, and with that I'm probably done updating this thread for a while.
On June 15 2013 12:45 BisuDagger wrote: Casted 5 hall of fame base trade games tonight. It was tons of fun. Here's the channel to watch the vods: http://www.twitch.tv/bisudagger
Qrs I showered you with love on my stream, but thanks again for this thread.
You're welcome, and thanks for mentioning me. ♥ you too. BTW, if those games are going to stay up on your Twitch account, I could link to them as English commentary VODs for those games.
In other news, I added game #116 to the Hall of Fame, and with that I'm probably done updating this thread for a while.
Yeah I can add em to youtube too if that's preferable.
On June 14 2013 23:45 Figgy wrote: Game 1 is private. What the hell <_<
Do you think I'm constantly going through every VOD linked in the OP to see whether it's been taken down? When people tell me about something, I fix it. I've replaced the VOD for game 1 now.
On June 27 2013 08:43 Yorbon wrote: I dont know if this is the right way to do it, but i'd like to point out that the vod with game #21 is private.
OK, I updated the VOD for that one, and also for game #25. (All of the MSL/MBC VODs on nevake were taken private. I think I fixed them in the main list, but never went through the archives to do the same.) Then I noticed that the youtube API is somehow broken: the linked playlists are no longer working (they play the first video, then stop). Too tired to fix this now; I guess I'll do it sometime in the next few days.
I'm curious if SOSPA will ever produce any games that belong in here considering that the SOSPA players tend to play as orthodox and standard as possible
On September 02 2013 03:25 thezanursic wrote: I'm curious if SOSPA will ever produce any games that belong in here considering that the SOSPA players tend to play as orthodox and standard as possible
I hope they do to be honest and this thread needs a bump once in a while
Does anybody have a link to the PvT or PvP video where a pro player cheeses his opponent by building a pylon and two gateways right next to the opponents mineral field in specific position where it is hard for the opponent kill the pylon and gatway in time. I can't remember what this legendary cheese is called.
If somebody can remember the name of that rush, you'll be a lifesaver.
On September 10 2013 12:17 aztrorisk wrote: Does anybody have a link to the PvT or PvP video where a pro player cheeses his opponent by building a pylon and two gateways right next to the opponents mineral field in specific position where it is hard for the opponent kill the pylon and gatway in time. I can't remember what this legendary cheese is called.
If somebody can remember the name of that rush, you'll be a lifesaver.
PvP?!
Of course we know what game it is; the guy that did it just retired!
Man these are fun to watch. Brings back memories of the glory days of BW when there were 12 teams and everything. And pre match fixing scandal, kind of lost the passion for SC after that hit.
Are you sure that VOD is higher quality? Looks about the same to me (- the subtitles). I guess I can add a link to that VOD if you want.
Also I think it deserves to be #1. :-)
The numbering reflects the order in which games were added to the thread, not some sort of ranking. Going by the votes, that game is #1 by a large margin.
On March 02 2011 08:45 Kyuukyuu wrote: Hwasin vs. Jaedong on Blue Storm (PL): Another nice cheese build. Terrans love cheesing JD.
Seconding this. Factory before depot, baby! Hwasin did it again against hyvaa on Holy World in Bacchus2009. Not sure if you want to include both, or neither, or just one, or whatever, but here are the videos: [VODs]
On September 10 2013 12:17 aztrorisk wrote: Does anybody have a link to the PvT or PvP video where a pro player cheeses his opponent by building a pylon and two gateways right next to the opponents mineral field in specific position where it is hard for the opponent kill the pylon and gatway in time. I can't remember what this legendary cheese is called.
If somebody can remember the name of that rush, you'll be a lifesaver.
PvP?!
Of course we know what game it is; the guy that did it just retired!
On September 10 2013 12:17 aztrorisk wrote: Does anybody have a link to the PvT or PvP video where a pro player cheeses his opponent by building a pylon and two gateways right next to the opponents mineral field in specific position where it is hard for the opponent kill the pylon and gatway in time. I can't remember what this legendary cheese is called.
If somebody can remember the name of that rush, you'll be a lifesaver.
PvP?!
Of course we know what game it is; the guy that did it just retired!
Are you sure that VOD is higher quality? Looks about the same to me (- the subtitles). I guess I can add a link to that VOD if you want.
It's definitely higher quality, although not much. Most importantly it's less blurry which makes it much easier to see cloaked wraiths, plus the image isn't squished.
On September 10 2013 12:17 aztrorisk wrote: Does anybody have a link to the PvT or PvP video where a pro player cheeses his opponent by building a pylon and two gateways right next to the opponents mineral field in specific position where it is hard for the opponent kill the pylon and gatway in time. I can't remember what this legendary cheese is called.
If somebody can remember the name of that rush, you'll be a lifesaver.
PvP?!
Of course we know what game it is; the guy that did it just retired!
Bisu vs Pokju at Sin Peaks of Baekdu, June 25, 2007 - Game 24 on the list
wow ouch. Poor Pokju. Bisu so cruel if Pokju indeed retired although I have to give him props for finding that crazy good location to proxy his 2 gates.
The numbering reflects the order in which games were added to the thread, not some sort of ranking. Going by the votes, that game is #1 by a large margin.
On March 02 2011 08:45 Kyuukyuu wrote: Hwasin vs. Jaedong on Blue Storm (PL): Another nice cheese build. Terrans love cheesing JD.
Seconding this. Factory before depot, baby! Hwasin did it again against hyvaa on Holy World in Bacchus2009. Not sure if you want to include both, or neither, or just one, or whatever, but here are the videos: [VODs]
On October 05 2013 16:05 BigFan wrote: that Skyhigh vs Jaedong game, brilliant! These are the types of games I like to watch. Lots of planning, execution etc... good stuff! :D
Your spotlighting that one brought in a couple more votes, so it has now been retired to the Hall of Fame. In its place, I've added game #118, a miniature on Blue Storm that you might like for similar reasons: careful planning, good execution, a pretty decent reaction from the opponent and a bloody fight to the finish!
I also added "Categorize games" to the list of ways you can contribute to this thread, if you'd like to. If you've watched a game, and it occurs to you that it would fit well in X category (whether said category exists yet or not), that's a very helpful thing to post.
Finally, continuing to plug the "Games that might be worth watching" section: just because a game is in that section doesn't mean it's not worth a watch. Several of the games there are just on the (arbitrary) border of inclusion in the main list/hall of fame. For example: games 33-35, a classic installment in the famous Boxer-Yellow rivalry. 33-35. BoxeR vs YellOw; Pelennor/Requiem/Mercury; EVER2004 OSL; 04-11-12 VOD + Show Spoiler [What makes this unusual?] +
For many, many years, BoxeR vs. YellOw was the most storied rivalry in the history of Starcraft (and therefore of all e-sports). Widely regarded in their heyday as the best two players in Starcraft, the two met each other in countless high-stakes matches. Each took games off the other, but Boxer was seen as having the edge when it came to winning the games that mattered.
The last major tournament that saw the two face off against each other in a high-stakes match was the Ever OSL in 2004. Owing to both the iconic status of each of these players, and their long and storied history against each other, their semi-final meeting was anticipated and hyped to almost delirious levels. The match was expected to be nothing short of "epic". However, Boxer, who throughout his career has delighted in defying expectations, had other plans. The ensuing match was one of the most brutal and short-lived in OSL semi-final history; certainly the most polarizing and controversial.
In RPS circles, they call this sort of tactic the avalanche.
On October 05 2013 16:05 BigFan wrote: that Skyhigh vs Jaedong game, brilliant! These are the types of games I like to watch. Lots of planning, execution etc... good stuff! :D
Your spotlighting that one brought in a couple more votes, so it has now been retired to the Hall of Fame. In its place, I've added game #118, a miniature on Blue Storm that you might like for similar reasons: careful planning, good execution, a pretty decent reaction from the opponent and a bloody fight to the finish!
I also added "Categorize games" to the list of ways you can contribute to this thread, if you'd like to. If you've watched a game, and it occurs to you that it would fit well in X category (whether said category exists yet or not), that's a very helpful thing to post.
Finally, continuing to plug the "Games that might be worth watching" section: just because a game is in that section doesn't mean it's not worth a watch. Several of the games there are just on the (arbitrary) border of inclusion in the main list/hall of fame. For example: games 33-35, a classic installment in the famous Boxer-Yellow rivalry. 33-35. BoxeR vs YellOw; Pelennor/Requiem/Mercury; EVER2004 OSL; 04-11-12 VOD + Show Spoiler [What makes this unusual?] +
For many, many years, BoxeR vs. YellOw was the most storied rivalry in the history of Starcraft (and therefore of all e-sports). Widely regarded in their heyday as the best two players in Starcraft, the two met each other in countless high-stakes matches. Each took games off the other, but Boxer was seen as having the edge when it came to winning the games that mattered.
The last major tournament that saw the two face off against each other in a high-stakes match was the Ever OSL in 2004. Owing to both the iconic status of each of these players, and their long and storied history against each other, their semi-final meeting was anticipated and hyped to almost delirious levels. The match was expected to be nothing short of "epic". However, Boxer, who throughout his career has delighted in defying expectations, had other plans. The ensuing match was one of the most brutal and short-lived in OSL semi-final history; certainly the most polarizing and controversial.
In RPS circles, they call this sort of tactic the avalanche.
Yellow played it perfect in game 1 and games 2 and 3 were facepalm reactions from him -.- but netherless it was a big surprised series Edit: The Sir@Soni game was on Lost Temple for your information
A couple more votes trickled in and I finally moved game #38 to the Hall of Fame. I replaced it with game #119.
That left game #41 at the top of the main list. I would have moved that to "Games that might be worth watching", since it has been on the list for a long time without being appreciated or watched much, but I noticed that there had never been a full video of that game up. I was able to find one on Youku, so now, for the first time, fOru vs. NaDa has a full VOD up. Watch it if you want—and if you do, cast a vote!
Yup, that's the game. I've made the formatting and I've found a compilation VOD "10 Years Star Age," some other ridiculous games in there too. I know I've watched all those episodes, but I can't remember the games exactly. The description on the video is basically like this thread. ... Edit: I would actually recommend people, who are really interested and haven't seen it yet, watch all of the episodes of "10 Years Star Age." Here's the playlist on the nevake account.
I'm looking for the Boxer vs Skel-ton game where he blinded observers. I saw a guick glimps of it in a pimpest play video but i can't find it in this thread.
Does everyone know where to find it ? It's from the third Game-Q Starleague on Outpost ?
Oh lol someone reposted the Pokju game. What did he become ?
i was just thinking of this thread because i watched this game. cool to see it still active
On November 21 2013 20:58 FFW_Rude wrote: Hi people,
I'm looking for the Boxer vs Skel-ton game where he blinded observers. I saw a guick glimps of it in a pimpest play video but i can't find it in this thread.
Does everyone know where to find it ? It's from the third Game-Q Starleague on Outpost ?
Oh lol someone reposted the Pokju game. What did he become ?
iirc pokju retired after that game (just like how Jy retired after this game? which reminded me of this game)
This thread seems to have dropped off everyone's radar: even the votes stopped trickling in. Still, enough "no" votes did finally make it in to take the "monkey milk" game (#89) off the main list. It really wasn't anything special; just a pair of announcers blathering about random things because the game wasn't interesting enough to talk about.
In its place, I added game #120: Flash vs. Fake Yellow on Andromeda. To be honest, that one doesn't really enthrall me either: definitely showcases good play from the winner, but then, the winner was a good player. The game was recommended by Ver who was (is?) a very knowledgeable connoisseur of Starcraft; frankly, his taste is probably more sophisticated than mine. Anyway, maybe you'll like it; either way, go check it out, and vote!
We probably need a section for Afreeca games, or a new thread, to see continued activity. There's a recommended games thread for it, but it doesn't have the same spirit and the games recommended have a much lower standard. "Cool and Unusual" seems to get people on the game wave-length more often tho, aka special cheeses or unusual end-games.
Is the TvZ game where both players sold it (played to lose) on the list? I remember that my teeth hurt when I was watching the game (I think it was a "failed" rush vs a "failed" early pool) and after the years it turned out that both players bet against themselves.
On November 10 2014 07:09 8882 wrote: Is the TvZ game where both players sold it (played to lose) on the list? I remember that my teeth hurt when I was watching the game (I think it was a "failed" rush vs a "failed" early pool) and after the years it turned out that both players bet against themselves.
That was Hwasin vs Luxury in the 2009-2010 proleague season on New Tornado and here is the vod:
On November 02 2014 02:41 koreasilver wrote: When I have really bad insomnia and have difficulty sleeping, I search Canata TvT games. I've been doing this for the past 7 years and it still works.
On November 02 2014 02:41 koreasilver wrote: When I have really bad insomnia and have difficulty sleeping, I search Canata TvT games. I've been doing this for the past 7 years and it still works.
On November 02 2014 02:41 koreasilver wrote: When I have really bad insomnia and have difficulty sleeping, I search Canata TvT games. I've been doing this for the past 7 years and it still works.
No joke.
I just added another Canata game to the list in the main post: game #121. It's not a TvT, but I think it might answer nonetheless.
On November 01 2014 04:03 Chef wrote: Thanks for continuing to maintain this thread!
We probably need a section for Afreeca games, or a new thread, to see continued activity. There's a recommended games thread for it, but it doesn't have the same spirit and the games recommended have a much lower standard. "Cool and Unusual" seems to get people on the game wave-length more often tho, aka special cheeses or unusual end-games.
It's all right, I think. There's enough of a backlog in this thread alone to keep updating it for decades at the current trickle. I'm happy enough leaving it in this semi-dormant state. It's not the most active thread in the world anymore, but it's still around, and every once in a while someone might stumble onto it and see something amazing. Kind of like Brood War itself!
Deleted. It's on the list already But i strongly recommend Casy vs July on reverse temple. In my opinion one of the most genius strategic moves ever in bw.
epic game but its not really unusual. despite losing his nat first time round JD was still in it with 3 bases to sunny's 2 and defended extremely well from then on (with the help of some sunny muckups), JD never looked to be in danger throughout the match.
rest of it is just standard 2009 monster JD performance which even a sweating Sunny couldn't handle.
Didn't know where to ask this I'll just ask here; At "the end" of BW I remember a TL thread with like top 50 best games or something. I've searched far and wide to find threads with "best" games of bw era but I haven't found any good, simple VOD lists... Halp anybody?
On January 24 2015 20:19 Boundz(DarKo) wrote: Didn't know where to ask this I'll just ask here; At "the end" of BW I remember a TL thread with like top 50 best games or something. I've searched far and wide to find threads with "best" games of bw era but I haven't found any good, simple VOD lists... Halp anybody?
On January 24 2015 12:08 BisuDagger wrote: Sunny vs JD. Saw this on the classic stream. One of the most insane games I've witnessed. It's a sin to not have seen this.
On January 24 2015 20:19 Boundz(DarKo) wrote: Didn't know where to ask this I'll just ask here; At "the end" of BW I remember a TL thread with like top 50 best games or something. I've searched far and wide to find threads with "best" games of bw era but I haven't found any good, simple VOD lists... Halp anybody?
On January 24 2015 20:19 Boundz(DarKo) wrote: Didn't know where to ask this I'll just ask here; At "the end" of BW I remember a TL thread with like top 50 best games or something. I've searched far and wide to find threads with "best" games of bw era but I haven't found any good, simple VOD lists... Halp anybody?
Why is it that this op doesn't have any games from Anytime's SO1 OSL run listed?
I can think of at least two games from that which deserve mention: Anytime ... against Yellow on R-Point. [VOD] And... damn, I forget who he played, but he did a strange reaver build on 815...nevermind, it was Oov in the semifinals! Anytime did a 2 robotics facility timing drop attack with 3 shuttles containing 3 reavers and 3 goons. [VOD]
By the time he got to the finals everyone was wondering what he would think of next. FFS, he psyched out Oov of all people!
This brings the OP abreast of page 9 of the thread!
Currently there are 48 games in the main list of the OP, so I'll probably add a couple more sometime this week to bring the total back up to 50 then I'll leave this thread (and TL) alone again for a while. If you watch any of them, please remember to vote! Don't worry about whether other people would agree or disagree with your opinion; just vote on whether you enjoyed watching it or whether it wasn't really worth bothering.
About #114 (Savior vs Free on Zodiac): Savior was mining from 5 gases for about a minute and a half before his natural got destroyed. Before that, though, he was on 4 gases for quite a long time.
On January 30 2015 15:30 29 fps wrote: About #114 (Savior vs Free on Zodiac): Savior was mining from 5 gases for about a minute and a half before his natural got destroyed. Before that, though, he was on 4 gases for quite a long time.
On January 24 2015 20:19 Boundz(DarKo) wrote: Didn't know where to ask this I'll just ask here; At "the end" of BW I remember a TL thread with like top 50 best games or something. I've searched far and wide to find threads with "best" games of bw era but I haven't found any good, simple VOD lists... Halp anybody?
On January 24 2015 20:19 Boundz(DarKo) wrote: Didn't know where to ask this I'll just ask here; At "the end" of BW I remember a TL thread with like top 50 best games or something. I've searched far and wide to find threads with "best" games of bw era but I haven't found any good, simple VOD lists... Halp anybody?
On February 24 2015 04:43 jimminy_kriket wrote: Bisu's been playing with scouts pvz and corsairs pvt for the last couple games on his stream. Pretty fun to watch.
the #1 game with Cloud and Rainbow VOD links to "googleapis" give me a security warning and i can'"t open it. Found it here for people that want to see it or update the OP
On February 25 2015 22:14 FFW_Rude wrote: the #1 game with Cloud and Rainbow VOD links to "googleapis" give me a security warning and i can'"t open it. Found it here for people that want to see it or update the OP
A lot of polls broke. 43 for example. Everything in hall of fame. Unfortunately some change to polling or some problem with TL's DB, I guess.
By the way 43 is a pretty great 118 is a pretty good example of worth watching not meaning the same thing as cool and unusual. Tense game, but nothing weird about it.
I hope this thread will stay healthy. It's a really good resource when you want to remember what was so great about SC1 / get inspired to fire up the old BW.
Does anyone have Gorush vs Hwasin on sin pioneer period, where gorush goes 1 hatch burrow and then proceeds to burrow the choke of Hwasin, then blocks scan from being built with a burrowed ling and 1 base lurker rushes.
On July 22 2016 17:13 duke91 wrote: Does anyone have Gorush vs Hwasin on sin pioneer period, where gorush goes 1 hatch burrow and then proceeds to burrow the choke of Hwasin, then blocks scan from being built with a burrowed ling and 1 base lurker rushes.
Have been looking for a vod for ages
are you sure about the burrow block ? if terran make scan the ling unburrow.
On July 22 2016 17:13 duke91 wrote: Does anyone have Gorush vs Hwasin on sin pioneer period, where gorush goes 1 hatch burrow and then proceeds to burrow the choke of Hwasin, then blocks scan from being built with a burrowed ling and 1 base lurker rushes.
Have been looking for a vod for ages
are you sure about the burrow block ? if terran make scan the ling unburrow.
I just tested it, terran can make the scan but the ling doesn't unburrow
On July 22 2016 17:13 duke91 wrote: Does anyone have Gorush vs Hwasin on sin pioneer period, where gorush goes 1 hatch burrow and then proceeds to burrow the choke of Hwasin, then blocks scan from being built with a burrowed ling and 1 base lurker rushes.
Have been looking for a vod for ages
are you sure about the burrow block ? if terran make scan the ling unburrow.
I just tested it, terran can make the scan but the ling doesn't unburrow
wait really? I don't remember the game that well, but I think Hwasin didn't have scan when lurkers came, which is either due to ling harass or due to scan build being blocked.
On July 22 2016 17:13 duke91 wrote: Does anyone have Gorush vs Hwasin on sin pioneer period, where gorush goes 1 hatch burrow and then proceeds to burrow the choke of Hwasin, then blocks scan from being built with a burrowed ling and 1 base lurker rushes.
Have been looking for a vod for ages
are you sure about the burrow block ? if terran make scan the ling unburrow.
I just tested it, terran can make the scan but the ling doesn't unburrow
you tested it vs other player ? i saw effort trying it and the ling just unburrow :D
On July 22 2016 17:13 duke91 wrote: Does anyone have Gorush vs Hwasin on sin pioneer period, where gorush goes 1 hatch burrow and then proceeds to burrow the choke of Hwasin, then blocks scan from being built with a burrowed ling and 1 base lurker rushes.
Have been looking for a vod for ages
are you sure about the burrow block ? if terran make scan the ling unburrow.
I just tested it, terran can make the scan but the ling doesn't unburrow
you tested it vs other player ? i saw effort trying it and the ling just unburrow :D
I just tested it in single player, maybe it does work differently against another player
I tested it playing against myself on LAN on two PCs, and like jello_biafra said, the scan can be built, and the lings just stay under it, they don't unburrow.
This is unfortunate, it would have been such a cool thing to pull off.
On July 23 2016 05:09 KatjaKean wrote: I tested it playing against myself on LAN on two PCs, and like jello_biafra said, the scan can be built, and the lings just stay under it, they don't unburrow.
This is unfortunate, it would have been such a cool thing to pull off.
I saw a game once, and I am sure it's not yet in this thread, where a deep six goes against a 2 base carrier rush with hilariously quick ending. Jungle tile map I think, can't recall any of the players. Does that ring a bell for anyone?
On March 11 2017 06:45 Piratezerg wrote: I saw a game once, and I am sure it's not yet in this thread, where a deep six goes against a 2 base carrier rush with hilariously quick ending. Jungle tile map I think, can't recall any of the players. Does that ring a bell for anyone?
Not sure if it was deep six but Hiya vs Violet on HBR was bio vs carriers+storm or something along those lines
On March 11 2017 06:45 Piratezerg wrote: I saw a game once, and I am sure it's not yet in this thread, where a deep six goes against a 2 base carrier rush with hilariously quick ending. Jungle tile map I think, can't recall any of the players. Does that ring a bell for anyone?
Not sure if it was deep six but Hiya vs Violet on HBR was bio vs carriers+storm or something along those lines
It was on Bloody Ridge. It was 2 fac into M&M if I recall correctly.
On March 11 2017 16:09 shall_burn wrote: here's the vod + Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szVkMeXrIE8
Awesome, going to watch at work with the sound off right now, lol.
There was another game I have no idea how to find. The protoss player recalled his carriers, but the interceptors were out and all the interceptors had to fly the entire length of the map.
On March 11 2017 06:45 Piratezerg wrote: I saw a game once, and I am sure it's not yet in this thread, where a deep six goes against a 2 base carrier rush with hilariously quick ending. Jungle tile map I think, can't recall any of the players. Does that ring a bell for anyone?
Not sure if it was deep six but Hiya vs Violet on HBR was bio vs carriers+storm or something along those lines
It was on Bloody Ridge. It was 2 fac into M&M if I recall correctly.
I bumping this because I started to look at old games and see if any of them are on the list I am surprised this game isn't on the list: BoxeR vs JoyO on Paradoxxx MyCube OSL idk what round it was. 8-15-03 + Show Spoiler [VOD] +
Boxer keeps losing his 3rd base to Joyo's carrier fleet but do you think he would give up? No he was able to tear apart the carriers and whatever shuttles joyo had to come back and win the game due to joyo not having any shuttle or air units.