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mr0919
Korea (South)247 Posts
What do you think about it?  ![[image loading]](http://mr0919.com.ne.kr/ogn/jpg/reachsreaver.jpg) Note: I'll release yesterday's matches later. To some Idiots: Stop abusing Mumyung. I just wanted to show the awesome and impossible scene to you not to rape him. Are you sure you could be better than him if you were a progamer in Korea? If you can come here! I'm sure you shall feel more painful than Mumyung did. | ||
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Payt1
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Yarertz
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longer_23
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seeyoulater
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proTOSS[GER]
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Capulet
Canada686 Posts
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vanilica_scg
Yugoslavia137 Posts
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WickeD
Slovakia789 Posts
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pooper-scooper
United States3108 Posts
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Mandalor
Germany2362 Posts
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LetMeBeWithYou
Canada4254 Posts
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SiS
United States753 Posts
I think thats when he set the record of which Leg broke it later on and Reach might have broken it again here, I dont know :O | ||
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baboda
Canada7 Posts
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IntoTheWow
is awesome32277 Posts
But there is a difference between criticising and bashing. Personally i cannot say i "hate" him. For some people bashing his achievements its just a joke. And I own him respect because he plays a computer game 24/7? Thats hillarious. Then why now just blowjob doctors who stay 24/7 but saving people lives?. Sorry i find your arguments a little weird. These is the only serious part On a personal note, I've liked Mumyung ever since I've seen him in a 1st person VOD : his micro, macro, the way he's organized, it's all amazing | ||
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Hautamaki
Canada1311 Posts
I just about pissed myself. | ||
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likeboxer
Korea (South)465 Posts
that's mean. :[ | ||
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baboda
Canada7 Posts
Firstly, it's not because in some industries people are being criticized badly that you need to assume it's good. And did you know that ''bullying'' in highschools is mostly a joke for those who do it to others ? Those that have to endure it, they feel the real thing, they feel pain. As the ''foreigner'' StarCraft universe and the Pro-gaming community tend to connect more and more, I feel it's really irresponsible from the Western's biggest StarCraft community site to let people bash one of the best progamers like this in their forums, and especially now and then on the main page. What if Mumyung heard of that already ? I know most of you don't care, but I wouldn't want to have most of you immature guys as friends anyways ! And you should definitely owe him respect. Respect, at the least, is being ''neutral'', and not being a dick insulting for no reasons. | ||
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krzych113
United Kingdom547 Posts
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SiS
United States753 Posts
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Hautamaki
Canada1311 Posts
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AutumnLight
Ukraine2488 Posts
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SonnyBlack
Germany457 Posts
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fenixdown
Colombia320 Posts
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Ashur
Czech Republic646 Posts
On October 24 2004 10:16 fenixdown wrote: Mumyung could rape 99.99% of the posters on this forum so stop that shit. And a reaver with 45 kills on a starleague is better that any unit with +100 on any tournament outside korea. hf. Yes, killing 50+ units with reaver is np, killing same number on league is. | ||
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Adamthegreat
Sweden1179 Posts
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User_2
Russian Federation1020 Posts
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blasian
United States180 Posts
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Excalibur_Z
United States12238 Posts
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
Reach is just really, really, really good -_- | ||
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MiniRoman
Canada3953 Posts
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SiS
United States753 Posts
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longer_23
China299 Posts
but i was curious: there're many bad players in the proleagues and mumyung is definitely not the worst. why is everyone against him? Adamthegreat that's interesting history and that explains a lot. | ||
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rednob
Korea (South)210 Posts
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thelucas
Slovakia285 Posts
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dronebabo
10866 Posts
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Addicted`To`Zerg
Bulgaria1353 Posts
go mumma | ||
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Sadist
United States7291 Posts
I know for sure mensrea criticized crystal[inca] for making it into the starleagues and going 0-3 everytime o; Whatever happened to that guy anyway? | ||
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Payt1
418 Posts
damn, it almost seems like people are trying to now join an anti anti-mumyung bandwagon these days.. edit: confused fw with somebody | ||
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jtan
Sweden5891 Posts
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Dave[9]
United States2365 Posts
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Oxygen
Canada3581 Posts
On October 24 2004 10:44 FrozenArbiter wrote: Mumyung is good. Reach is just really, really, really good -_- Agreed Oh and, Mumyung looks cool. He is dead sexy, plays Zerg and kicks ass. Best progamer ever. | ||
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Damned
Russian Federation36 Posts
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BishopONe
Spain242 Posts
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Kaotu
United States986 Posts
but seriously... i wanna see the vod, dang impressive by reach, especially to pull this off vs a player of mumyung's ability | ||
uhjoo
Korea (South)1740 Posts
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baal
10541 Posts
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tfeign
United States2980 Posts
On October 24 2004 13:48 baal wrote: Mumyung suck, stop sucking his dick ppl.  A thread about how Reach amazingly managed to kill 45 units with only 1 reaver vs mumuyng's lackluster performance has turned into a series of replies about how great and awesome of a progamer mumuyng is. How mumuyng is one of the best pros and how he could own almost anyone. How he has so much skills, how amazingly gosu, sexy, smart, and impressive mumuyng is. wtf W-T-F?? again, what the fuck? Also, here's a good post perhaps some have missed: On October 24 2004 09:31 IntoTheWow wrote: People cannot play football like southamerican stars.but the criticize them anyway. Same with movies. But there is a difference between criticising and bashing. Personally i cannot say i "hate" him. For some people bashing his achievements its just a joke. And I own him respect because he plays a computer game 24/7? Thats hillarious. Then why now just blowjob doctors who stay 24/7 but saving people lives?. Sorry i find your arguments a little weird. These is the only serious part Of course almost no one in the forum could beat mumuyng. But what does that fact has to do with anything? Of course almost no one in this forum can direct movies, become president, or make record albums either; but everyone does have rights to say what movies they think sucked, criticize the president, etc. Reading some of the replies in this thread has given me an urge to go reply to every single post that says something bad about Bush to tell the poster that Bush has better knowledge and can run a country better than 99.99% of the people in this forum. Now wouldn't that be disturbing? | ||
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IA-Taiyoushin
United States33 Posts
On October 24 2004 13:48 baal wrote: Mumyung suck, stop sucking his dick ppl.  | ||
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krzych113
United Kingdom547 Posts
On October 24 2004 13:48 baal wrote: Mumyung suck, stop sucking his dick ppl. Greatest true ... -..- Don't make him gosu because he have nice nickname ( I don't think it is ) or his is better than most of us ^^ | ||
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ahk-gosu
Korea (South)2099 Posts
also ive seen mumyung do some good things in a couple of games its just that he is inconsistent. he needs to learn to end the game. also hes got pretty good practice partners dam that map is hard to block for corsair reaver if used correctly. i can understand what happened but dam 45 kills????? | ||
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MightyJoE
Canada30 Posts
Looks like Protoss players found the solution on Requiem. Go fast expo followed by corsair + reaver. Nal_rA is the first to succeed with the build. | ||
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sundance
Slovakia3201 Posts
this is why i love kingdom = gosu gosu reaver control (reach's control is good tooooo ) | ||
ManaBlue
Canada10458 Posts
As for Mumyung, as a fan of pro BW I die a little inside everytime I see his mindless, microless, souless playing. There are macro players like Nada and Oov that are still really cool to watch, and then there's Yung...bah...a complete lack of sense of the game and pure macro play, so much so, that it is at the expense of everything else. And he's predictable as shit. Don't ever tell me who I can and can't bash. I can and will bash Yung until he stops ruining pro touries by needlessly qualifying, just to beat a couple of terrans who are 2 porting and loss to everyone else. | ||
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purasorte
Brazil99 Posts
45 kill's is something uh? | ||
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Excalibur_Z
United States12238 Posts
On October 24 2004 14:48 ManaBlue wrote: I hate it when people say that. Just because someone is better than me doesn't automatically mean that I can't bash them. Just like an above poster said, I can't bash Bush because he runs the country better than I would?!!!?!?! Well then why don't we do away with democracy, because none of us should be able to vote against his highness since we the stupid prolatariate could not do a better job than him. Fuck off! As for Mumyung, as a fan of pro BW I die a little inside everytime I see his mindless, microless, souless playing. There are macro players like Nada and Oov that are still really cool to watch, and then there's Yung...bah...a complete lack of sense of the game and pure macro play, so much so, that it is at the expense of everything else. And he's predictable as shit. Don't ever tell me who I can and can't bash. I can and will bash Yung until he stops ruining pro touries by needlessly qualifying, just to beat a couple of terrans who are 2 porting and loss to everyone else. That's a really stupid idea considering the original poster specifically insisted that you not bash him. | ||
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ManaBlue
Canada10458 Posts
On October 24 2004 14:58 Excalibur_Z wrote: That's a really stupid idea considering the original poster specifically insisted that you not bash him. I'm using an example that he pointed out because I found it to be very effective. What he was trying to prove is not what I'm trying to prove. Not a difficult concept really. | ||
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radar14
United States1437 Posts
And comparing Bush-bashing to Mumyung-bashing is retarded. | ||
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longer_23
China299 Posts
back to the topic: in another sc forum there's a nice discussion about this game in association with the one between ra/gorush last week. basically someone said pvz on requiem is hard if p is using a conventional build. but ra somehow used his strats to cut requiem into an island-type map, which put the zerg into complete disadvantage. ppl may have noticed that in ra's game he built only a single gate and a single zealot from it, that's all his regular unit! he won the game with air-control and drops just like on islands. Reach obviously learned sth from his tricky partner. the toss duos are having a lot of fun together. | ||
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Orome
Switzerland11984 Posts
On topic: Was the 45 kills drones only? No matter, definitely very impressive, but it's just alot of luck involved as well... Anyways, Reach is so cool, I really look forward to that VOD :D | ||
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RiSE
United States3182 Posts
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ahk-gosu
Korea (South)2099 Posts
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Excalibur_Z
United States12238 Posts
On October 24 2004 17:24 ahk-gosu wrote: what map was that???? Requiem. The mineral crucifix should be a dead giveaway =] | ||
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Purind
Canada3562 Posts
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Arbiter[frolix]
United Kingdom2674 Posts
Just my little joke; of course there is no question of Mumyung actually being the worst player around. Actually, some days he looks like a dominant player, others he looks awful. | ||
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Empyrean
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ManaBlue
Canada10458 Posts
On October 24 2004 17:48 Arbiter[frolix] wrote: With this outpouring of love for Mumyung I am feeling a little guilty about naming the worst player award after him following last season's Starleague. Just my little joke; of course there is no question of Mumyung actually being the worst player around. Actually, some days he looks like a dominant player, others he looks awful.Don't worry about it Arbiter. Could you think of anyone else that deserves that insult more than Yung? There's no way... | ||
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Death_Gun
Brazil76 Posts
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RamenStyle
United States1929 Posts
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safe[3x]
United States50 Posts
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TH-GP
Australia226 Posts
1 : 0 vs TheMarine 0 : 1 vs Reach 0 : 1 vs Iloveoov 0 : 1 vs Xellos 0 : 1 vs Sync his not dat bad | ||
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FrEaK[S.sIR]
2373 Posts
On October 24 2004 15:26 longer_23 wrote:the toss duos are having a lot of fun together. Thats very uh...interesting. | ||
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mr0919
Korea (South)247 Posts
On October 24 2004 14:48 ManaBlue wrote: The statesmen settle their own policies which could help or harm people in the country. You can complain about their policies or them if you think they walk on a wrong way. But I can't understand why you compared Mumyung with these guys. Has he made troubles to you? I didn't say "You can't hate him." You can but don't say that to the public if Mumyung has never harmed you.I hate it when people say that. Just because someone is better than me doesn't automatically mean that I can't bash them. Just like an above poster said, I can't bash Bush because he runs the country better than I would?!!!?!?! Well then why don't we do away with democracy, because none of us should be able to vote against his highness since we the stupid prolatariate could not do a better job than him. Fuck off! As for Mumyung, as a fan of pro BW I die a little inside everytime I see his mindless, microless, souless playing. There are macro players like Nada and Oov that are still really cool to watch, and then there's Yung...bah...a complete lack of sense of the game and pure macro play, so much so, that it is at the expense of everything else. And he's predictable as shit. Don't ever tell me who I can and can't bash. I can and will bash Yung until he stops ruining pro touries by needlessly qualifying, just to beat a couple of terrans who are 2 porting and loss to everyone else. You logic proved you are just a kid who always sets certain guys to the opponents and likes to say abusing them to the public. | ||
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shizuru
Japan570 Posts
On October 24 2004 08:46 mr0919 wrote: Yesterday Reach's Reaver had killed 45 Mumyung's units. What do you think about it? Note: I'll release yesterday's matches later. To some Idiots: Stop abusing Mumyung. I just wanted to show the awesome and impossible scene to you not to rape him. Are you sure you could be better than him if you were a progamer in Korea? If you can come here! I'm sure you shall feel more painful than Mumyung did. hard...to...resist...bashing...mumyung in a thread which exists at least 50% due to mumyung's poor play. it's like a girl stripping in a bar full of drunken southerners and surprised that she's molested. the disclaimer had to have been sarcasm, right? | ||
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asmetoyou
China95 Posts
On October 24 2004 10:02 SiS wrote: I like Mumyung too :D I like him too | ||
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tfeign
United States2980 Posts
On October 24 2004 23:57 mr0919 wrote: The statesmen settle their own policies which could help or harm people in the country. You can complain about their policies or them if you think they walk on a wrong way. But I can't understand why you compared Mumyung with these guys. Has he made troubles to you? I didn't say "You can't hate him." You can but don't say that to the public if Mumyung has never harmed you. You logic proved you are just a kid who always sets certain guys to the opponents and likes to say abusing them to the public. mr0919 you do make a point that you're allowed to criticize the president since his policies can affect you as well as the people. However with all respect, that doesn't change the fact that you don't have to be better than someone in order to criticize that person. If that's wrong then 99.999% of the people should never criticize a movie they saw since these people can never even write/direct movies in the first place. Surely the directors of these movies never harmed them or did anything that would affect the people, they just did their best and wrote movies to try to entertain people as well as make money at the same time (which is exactly like progamers). But if someone thinks a movie is bad, there shouldn't be anything that stops him from saying so and criticizing the movie, even with the fact that that person has no talents to write/direct movies in the first place. This same idea applies with any other industries, including Starcraft. Mumuyng lost 0-8 vs Reach (even in Reach's worst matchup), and you're saying people who criticize him are idiots. That is totally not true. You do not have to be better than someone or something in order to criticize it. To quote what you wrote: To some Idiots: Stop abusing Mumyung. I just wanted to show the awesome and impossible scene to you not to rape him. Are you sure you could be better than him if you were a progamer in Korea? If you can come here! I'm sure you shall feel more painful than Mumyung did. To translate what you wrote into something we can better generalize: That's like saying anyone who can't write/direct smash hit movies should ever say that a movie they saw is bad and say it, and if they think any movie is bad, they're idiots. Go to Hollywood and become a movie director and make some smash hit movies before you criticize or bash a movie. You can replace movie directors with singers, sportsplayers, products made by any company, authors, starcraft players, or whatever you want in the above paragraph and it would still make perfect sense (or should I say make no sense?). What that's unacceptable is if you say it to his face. For example, going up to a director of a movie face to face and tell him that his movie sucked is rude and unacceptable. Just like going up to Mumuyng face to face and tell him that he sucks as a progamer. That's rude and unacceptable. However, there is absolutely nothing wrong with criticizing him in a forum. Although it is true that there are lots of players who are even worse than Mumuyng, and that mumuyng isn't all as bad as some people are saying he is, there should not be a problem criticizing him if someone thinks so if there's a reasoning behind it. And trust me anyone who criticizes mumuyng definitely has a reason behind it to do so. | ||
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Hautamaki
Canada1311 Posts
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mazaGhal
Sweden73 Posts
On October 24 2004 08:55 seeyoulater wrote: grrrr had an archon that killed 80 in wcg canada finals OMG fagging god ! | ||
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mazaGhal
Sweden73 Posts
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sm
Australia89 Posts
im not sure but thats just what i thought. It seems it would be easier to kill that amount of units vs zerg than vs terran :D gjgj to reach~ | ||
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Degussa
Singapore108 Posts
Really, it's all in the image. A complete package. reach is goodlooking, has a cool yashiro nanakase-type hairstyle AND is a damn good toss player. mumyung is inconsistent at times and his looks well...he just looks 'normal' Same reason why beckham can sell shirts and attract all those crazy female fans from japan. | ||
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klaasdebaas
59 Posts
gogo mumyung. | ||
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FrEaK[S.sIR]
2373 Posts
The fact that they say player A sucks and player B is good(perhaps not in this thread, but in others) is not only hypocrisy, it's asinine. You cannot claim that player B is better than player A when player A's accomplishments with the same difficulty level are well above Player B's. Why not just use the mathematical formulas B > A = A > B. Doesn't really work. FrEaK PS - I know in some ways you can make it so B > A = A > B, it was just to emphasize the point. | ||
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mtheory
Netherlands155 Posts
On October 25 2004 02:29 Element)FrEaK wrote: B > A = A > B. Doesn't really work. FrEaK PS - I know in some ways you can make it so B > A = A > B, it was just to emphasize the point. Your formula reminds me of the painting by Escher. | ||
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Degussa
Singapore108 Posts
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TH-GP
Australia226 Posts
On October 25 2004 02:11 Degussa wrote: Not to sound gay or anything but the amount of fans (ie. people who like the pro, enjoy his playstyle) is directly proportional to how good looking he is. Really, it's all in the image. A complete package. reach is goodlooking, has a cool yashiro nanakase-type hairstyle AND is a damn good toss player. mumyung is inconsistent at times and his looks well...he just looks 'normal' Same reason why beckham can sell shirts and attract all those crazy female fans from japan. very true, mumyung just reminds me of psyduck from pokemon way back when i used to watch it, slow clumbsy, dorky, chubby, thick glasses & average looking to say the least | ||
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vanilica_scg
Yugoslavia137 Posts
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yeehaw
San Marino888 Posts
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Legionnaire
Australia4514 Posts
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LibertyTerran
Vietnam711 Posts
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x2fst
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Cambium
United States16368 Posts
On October 25 2004 03:48 Legionnaire wrote: The reason why nobody likes mmumyung is because he made it into the starleague 24.8 times and sucked like crap vs the other starleaguers every single time, but he would do just enough to make it into the next one. Which is why there was a big thing about changing the way autobirths are ruled for them because he was boring as hell to watch because he always died and they wanted others in the starleague instead of him. Exactly, it nearly drove me insane seeing mumyung made into the starleague yet boxer and yellow were left out. As for the results, he made no where. For the summary and my thoughts on the game, go here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=19436 | ||
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tree
United States591 Posts
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Y2Trooper
Australia40 Posts
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iCmB
France525 Posts
Well done Toss Hero ! | ||
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jtan
Sweden5891 Posts
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ParasitJonte
Sweden1768 Posts
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poor newb
United States1879 Posts
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SW)RIF
United States563 Posts
He may not be in the same 'league' metaphorically as his peers, but hes still better than a huge chunk of the korean community, which speaks volumes for his capabilities. His zvt is not that boring taking in account that midgame leaves the player very few choices anyway, and wtf, zvz is boring by default. His lukrer micro is very effective in zvt and is hardly worth the bullshit comments here. Although i would conceed he just isnt as exciting to watch than his Pro-gaming peers (i.e being innovative). He just recieves some pretty unneccessary criticism. | ||
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worst.player
625 Posts
Mumyung will ALWAYS get into Next starleague. He just does, no1 can argue that. if boxer trains him, he'll get a LITTLE better. so basically he's always in the starleague. If boxer is his team-mate, BoxeR can easily just own him in the starleague, thus freeing up one spot for boxer. Tricky guy... | ||
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Konni
Germany3044 Posts
On October 25 2004 02:29 Element)FrEaK wrote: Why not just use the mathematical formulas B > A = A > B. Doesn't really work. FrEaK PS - I know in some ways you can make it so B > A = A > B, it was just to emphasize the point. :-) assume B = A now (B > A) is false, also (A > B) is false, so (B > A = A > B) is true | ||
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