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CASLsoju
Canada253 Posts
With that being said, I'd like to get back into BW, except as a serious player now. I got really good at SC2 in a short matter of time and I'm super bored of how easy it is. I want a challenge. I pretty much don't know anything about BW, anyone have a good place to get started? | ||
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Crimson)S(hadow
Philippines588 Posts
read power ranks to soak in some history if you want | ||
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shadesofkarma
Romania708 Posts
Private ladder where all competitive players outside Korea play. It's pretty tough but don't be discouraged. Don't worry about strategies, just work on your macro and multitasking for now (a lot tougher in BW than in SC2), once you can macro to a reasonable degree (keep resources below 500 most of the time), then read up on strategies in the BW Strategy forum or on BW Liquipedia. | ||
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oo_xerox
United States852 Posts
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Croatia9517 Posts
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CASLsoju
Canada253 Posts
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xarthaz
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0neder
United States3733 Posts
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OnFire
324 Posts
Also, when I scanned you with my retard-o-meter the ratings were off the charts, just for the record. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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playa
United States1284 Posts
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gulati
United States2241 Posts
Basically, every single Korean professional game. They will teach you endless amounts of knowledge. I'd check this out: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Meta_game And then go here (it would help if you listed your race, but learn all three to improve on the above link): http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Terran_Strategy http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Zerg_Strategy http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Protoss_Strategy | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
But for bw your going to be asking alot of questions in the strategy section as its a very tough game ^^. | ||
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Chef
10810 Posts
It's like if I say I wanna play Go because Checkers is too easy. Sure I'm not the best checkers player in the world, but checkers really is decidedly simple. I can feel like I've 'mastered' checkers without going to competitions. | ||
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gn0m
Sweden302 Posts
On January 11 2011 06:12 blade55555 wrote: lol saying you got good at sc2 and saying it is too easy is pretty funny because i doubt you were actually good as nobody would have heard of you so don't try to say that :D. But for bw your going to be asking alot of questions in the strategy section as its a very tough game ^^. Even though there might be many definitions of ”good” when it comes to SC, its pretty ridiculous to claim that OP wasnt good because you havent heard of him. There are tons of good players that you never heard of. For me it’s a good thing that people get back to BW so why don’t you give him some tips instead of this “yo, come back when u won GSL”-attitude? On topic: People have already mentioned the benefits of Liquipedia, iCCup and watching professional BW, so I just want to add that many find it easier to pick a race and focus on one match up at the time. It is also good to find people you can play regularly, preferably people that are slightly better then yourself. Lastly, don’t get discouraged if you lose all the time, because you will, instead just focus on having fun and see your losses as a part of the process of getting better. | ||
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puppykiller
United States3137 Posts
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shadesofkarma
Romania708 Posts
On January 11 2011 06:59 puppykiller wrote: finding a clan on west or east is probably more fun than just fighting random people on iccup. Its good to do both but if your new it would probably be benificial to join a clan and get help from players who know the game a bit better. However, assume everyone on west or east is a D player no matter how good they seem and they say their rank is. Players off iccup have no way of judging their rank and whenever they get better at sc they just assume that if their a half a level better than whatever they last thought their rank was. If you visited East or West recently you would know that the foreign scene on both servers are pretty dead. Hell, even /j clan X17 went under. | ||
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xiaofan
United States513 Posts
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FlaShFTW
United States10230 Posts
But in a serious sense, i agree with puppykiller. just go on US East or west. mostly everyone will be like mid D... low D+ max. just play there, get warmed up, then go on iccup. GL HF GG | ||
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Red.
Spain228 Posts
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gulati
United States2241 Posts
On January 11 2011 08:26 Red. wrote: excuse me guys is it just me or broodwar is years ahead of sc2? just played a match in iccup and its pretty damn hard compared to sc2... i think im quitting sc2 for BW Lol... this is cute you made me smile man. | ||
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Silentness
United States2821 Posts
On January 11 2011 08:26 Red. wrote: excuse me guys is it just me or broodwar is years ahead of sc2? just played a match in iccup and its pretty damn hard compared to sc2... i think im quitting sc2 for BW lolz D rank isn't really D rank right now if you ask me. It's a huge friggin skill range at the D level. | ||
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eXigent.
Canada2419 Posts
On January 11 2011 05:29 0neder wrote: If SC2 is so easy for you, I suggest winning tournaments and going pro? If thats the choice he wanted to make, then I assume he would not of made this post. He clearly wants to try SC/BW, and all your doing is baiting a flamewar. Let the guy play BW if thats what he wants to do! Also, Goodluck as the overall skill level of BW compared to SC2 is a nightmare. Your going from a game where many people are close to the same level and understanding, to a game where tons of people will be literally YEARS ahead of you in mechanics and strategy. It will be a very frustrating, but ultimately enjoyable experience. | ||
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niteReloaded
Croatia5282 Posts
On January 11 2011 08:26 Red. wrote: excuse me guys is it just me or broodwar is years ahead of sc2? just played a match in iccup and its pretty damn hard compared to sc2... i think im quitting sc2 for BW Yep, it's about 13 years ahead. On a more serious note, I'm really glad to see that there are players who are brave, curious and non-conformist enough to switch from SC2 to BW, props to you folks. | ||
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gulati
United States2241 Posts
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swanized
Canada2480 Posts
On January 11 2011 05:29 0neder wrote: If SC2 is so easy for you, I suggest winning tournaments and going pro? Finding a game easy doesn't mean achieving the highest level possible, is connect 4 easy? yes. Am I the best Connect 4 player on earth? no | ||
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Red.
Spain228 Posts
Im not sure but in starcraft 2 you can "easily" loose against a worse player than you. That cannot happen in broodwar. | ||
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Headshot
United States1656 Posts
BW has been a complete blast so far and I only regret that I didn't follow or play competitively sooner than I did. T_T | ||
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Memnon
Canada37 Posts
On January 11 2011 04:56 eveo wrote: With that being said, I'd like to get back into BW, except as a serious player now. I got really good at SC2 in a short matter of time and I'm super bored of how easy it is. I want a challenge. It's amazing how many people have gotten bored of SC2 and want to play BW again. I fall in that category too. As for your question, play on Iccup and work on your macro, find some people to practise with (preferably better than you), watch progamers playing, look up liquipedia for strategies. Not necessarily in that order. It'll take a while to get used to manually sending workers to mine and using control groups of maximum 12 units. It's hella fun though. On January 11 2011 08:59 Headshot wrote: BW has been a complete blast so far and I only regret that I didn't follow or play competitively sooner than I did. T_T Gah. I know. That's my one regret in life. | ||
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SushilS
2115 Posts
It's amazing how many people have gotten bored of SC2 and want to play BW again. I fall in that category too. Yeah yeah... BW is still amazing to watch BUT after SC2's advances in unit control and pathing, BW seems nightmarish to play. Atleast for me its not "hella fun" anymore and is grating my nerves. Its actually amazing how few people have actually switched back given the fact that maps have really sucked recently. But I still love playing on SEA where i'm having a blast and much more fun than playing BW. Watching BW is still good though and seeing Flash lose to Ssak ..... PRICELESS!! | ||
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DyEnasTy
United States3714 Posts
On January 11 2011 08:26 Red. wrote: excuse me guys is it just me or broodwar is years ahead of sc2? just played a match in iccup and its pretty damn hard compared to sc2... i think im quitting sc2 for BW Yeah I am too. But do you think BW is "years ahead of SC2" because its "years older than SC2"? @_@ But yes, im tired of playing BM people, I miss getting 5 large pepperoni pizzas, 2 cases of beer (or soda), having all my friends over, and LANing it up till 2 am. Now that Im married, I just have my super awesome wife sleep over at a friends house. Or she'll just come home and plop down in bed and read while me and the guys make all kinds o ruckus! Jeez, im totally going back..... | ||
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Release
United States4397 Posts
On January 11 2011 09:37 SushilS wrote: Yeah yeah... BW is still amazing to watch BUT after SC2's advances in unit control and pathing, BW seems nightmarish to play. Atleast for me its not "hella fun" anymore and is grating my nerves. Its actually amazing how few people have actually switched back given the fact that maps have really sucked recently. But I still love playing on SEA where i'm having a blast and much more fun than playing BW. Watching BW is still good though and seeing Flash lose to Ssak ..... PRICELESS!! You can play BW proficiently at about 200APM, not too hard to achieve with a little practice. However, i find that whenever i play zerg, the APM requirement grows exponentially higher as the games progresses. | ||
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CASLsoju
Canada253 Posts
On January 11 2011 05:29 0neder wrote: If SC2 is so easy for you, I suggest winning tournaments and going pro? It's not "easy" as I stated, but in comparison to BW it's alot easier and less stressful. FFS probe rally x_x haha. On January 11 2011 08:45 gulati wrote: For the OP: can you please tell us what race you want to stick with? Or, what race were you in SC2, so we can attempt to further help you on specific advice of who to watch replays of / what forums to go to. Oh I main protoss, for life Also thanks for the support everyone. By easy I meant that tons of things are dumbed down, like it's not even fun anymore. Most of the times you barely need to macro, okay pull 1 unit away and put back, press a hotkey and spam a button to rally in more units, ENTIRE ARMY ON 1 KEY etc. It got boring and there's not much variety. By not much variety I mean if you stray off from a common and strong build you might either: a) get totally shitted on or b) win. I hate doing a certain build against every MU and shit. I watch BW games and I just see EPIC things going down which is why i want to play it, not to mention the graphics (nostalgia). This is also the reason I started playing KR servers for SC2. | ||
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Louuster
Canada2869 Posts
On January 11 2011 09:37 SushilS wrote: Yeah yeah... BW is still amazing to watch BUT after SC2's advances in unit control and pathing, BW seems nightmarish to play. Atleast for me its not "hella fun" anymore and is grating my nerves. Its actually amazing how few people have actually switched back given the fact that maps have really sucked recently. But I still love playing on SEA where i'm having a blast and much more fun than playing BW. Watching BW is still good though and seeing Flash lose to Ssak ..... PRICELESS!! I 100% agree with this. As far as watching, BW is so much more interesting. I havent seen anything in SC2 that matches the awesomeness of say the Kal vs Modesty set at the OSL for example. At the same time, i watch my hydras and lurkers run into each other as im trying to get them up a ramp and I wish I had the sc2 pathing lol. | ||
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Zergneedsfood
United States10671 Posts
It gave units like the dragoons amazing personalities. :D | ||
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a176
Canada6688 Posts
On January 11 2011 12:21 Zergneedsfood wrote: I thought dumb unit pathing was the best part of BW. It gave units like the dragoons amazing personalities. :D it also completely eliminates the unit ball you see in sc2 | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
I agree with you on that part I got into it May of 2009 wish I had started bw in like 2007 heh. But still watch bw along with sc2 both are fun to watch and play :D. | ||
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NukeTheStars
United States277 Posts
I'm in the same boat as the OP, actually. Getting back into playing BW in a big way after burning out on, and subsequently uninstalling, SC2. | ||
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everstarleague
China89 Posts
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Headshot
United States1656 Posts
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Ryo
8787 Posts
On January 11 2011 12:43 NukeTheStars wrote: Not only does every unit and structure have a good visual weight, but you get that pixel-precision, even with the pre-rendered sprites. You just don't get that much anymore. Everything is so floaty, liquidy, and weightless in modern rendering. I really have to agree with this. And the sound effects as well are just vastly superior. | ||
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kwkwookw
218 Posts
watch the JD vs Baby match from yesterday's winner's league. it was jd's OUT-OF-THIS-WORLD multitasking that got him back into the game to eventually win it despite his third getting shut down (NOT CANCELED) THREE times!!!. the observer couldn't even keep up with jd's multitasking as he was dark swarming, plague-ing, sniping dropship and vessels, lurker burrowing, utilizing nydus canal, etc. in five different screens at lightening speed while also macro-ing. (and he also managed to micro his drone to snipe an scv near the end while this was all going on...for those who caught that...haha) and Baby is KNOWN for his multitasking ability. i think the problem with a game too heavily reliant on builds and strategies is that if the lucky person chose a better build out of chance, there's less ways to bridge the gap. that's why in the gsl we keep getting ppl just steamrolled almost always within 15 minutes. and given that an rts is not like chess where you can read your opponents moves from the start, no one can deny that there is an element of chance/luck involved in chosen strategies. | ||
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Release
United States4397 Posts
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altered
Switzerland646 Posts
On January 11 2011 10:58 eveo wrote: It's not "easy" as I stated, but in comparison to BW it's alot easier and less stressful. FFS probe rally x_x haha. Oh I main protoss, for life Also thanks for the support everyone. By easy I meant that tons of things are dumbed down, like it's not even fun anymore. Most of the times you barely need to macro, okay pull 1 unit away and put back, press a hotkey and spam a button to rally in more units, ENTIRE ARMY ON 1 KEY etc. It got boring and there's not much variety. By not much variety I mean if you stray off from a common and strong build you might either: a) get totally shitted on or b) win. I hate doing a certain build against every MU and shit. I watch BW games and I just see EPIC things going down which is why i want to play it, not to mention the graphics (nostalgia). This is also the reason I started playing KR servers for SC2. You want to play BW because you think SC2 is too easy and isnt a challenge. But you choose to play Protoss? | ||
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Kudo
United States31 Posts
On topic, just pick a race, and play play play. Iccup. watch vods. google and tl.net is your best friend. I remember the first time I learned the proper protoss hotkey setup. Blew my mind. But there is no easy way of learning the mechanics other than practice-proper practice. glhf. | ||
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masterbreti
Korea (South)2711 Posts
" I would go back if the tournament scene was big and SC2 died out, of course. I will always love SC1. It will never, ever happen though." so i guess its up to the community to do so | ||
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andreyyisbestandrey
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puppykiller
United States3137 Posts
On January 11 2011 15:08 altered wrote: + Show Spoiler + On January 11 2011 10:58 eveo wrote: It's not "easy" as I stated, but in comparison to BW it's alot easier and less stressful. FFS probe rally x_x haha. Oh I main protoss, for life Also thanks for the support everyone. By easy I meant that tons of things are dumbed down, like it's not even fun anymore. Most of the times you barely need to macro, okay pull 1 unit away and put back, press a hotkey and spam a button to rally in more units, ENTIRE ARMY ON 1 KEY etc. It got boring and there's not much variety. By not much variety I mean if you stray off from a common and strong build you might either: a) get totally shitted on or b) win. I hate doing a certain build against every MU and shit. I watch BW games and I just see EPIC things going down which is why i want to play it, not to mention the graphics (nostalgia). This is also the reason I started playing KR servers for SC2. You want to play BW because you think SC2 is too easy and isnt a challenge. But you choose to play Protoss? not to insult protoss players but i agree with this. While bw toss is mechanicaly more complex than any sc2 race, it's still considered pretty easily the least mechanicly taxing of all the bw races. Your not gonna make to many combacks with sheer speed as a toss player unless its one of those awesome pvz's | ||
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vek
Australia936 Posts
On January 11 2011 16:20 Kudo wrote: The only thing stopping me from going back to bw is knowing the fact that sc2 will eventually kill bw off. And with blizz lawsuit and all... I just don't see much hope for bw. damn you dustin browder. damn you. I don't think anyone can say this for sure though. CS 1.6 is still going strong and has more players than Black Ops on steam. Good games will always be played. I mean.. people still play NES Mario because it's just a great game. | ||
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Silentness
United States2821 Posts
On January 11 2011 17:16 puppykiller wrote: not to insult protoss players but i agree with this. While bw toss is mechanicaly more complex than any sc2 race, it's still considered pretty easily the least mechanicly taxing of all the bw races. Your not gonna make to many combacks with sheer speed as a toss player unless its one of those awesome pvz's I'm going to go ahead and say I THIRD the notion that Toss is a lot easier to bare with at the lower Iccup ranks. Obviously the higher your Iccup rank the more Toss players will struggle, but at the D through D+ levels I'd say it's a joke for Toss. I just watched Kawaii Rice lose to a Toss player with like 80 APM if I remember correctly. Everyone on the stream was dying with laughter. | ||
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SushilS
2115 Posts
On January 11 2011 12:43 NukeTheStars wrote: Hmmm, some people in this thread just don't understand what personal challenge is. BW is a very different kind of challenge. It's chaotic, but controlled. Not only does every unit and structure have a good visual weight, but you get that pixel-precision, even with the pre-rendered sprites. You just don't get that much anymore. Everything is so floaty, liquidy, and weightless in modern rendering. I'm in the same boat as the OP, actually. Getting back into playing BW in a big way after burning out on, and subsequently uninstalling, SC2. Sorry but I disagree! If you think the SC2 mechanic is easier then you have to understand that thats a good thing. Its like saying :: Why do we have GRID hotkeys cos it just makes hot-keying easier, We shud all just use normal hotkeys,Cos only then does true skill come out.... I guess there will always be people who dislike progress and favor glitchiness attributing it to uniqueness but I for one, find playing BW an exercise of frustration these days and not cos im losing(D+ on iCup) but because of retarded pathing. While an A+/- level player obviously can play smoother than me I feel that I should not have to, in this day and age, want to play a game for its glitchy mechanic. And I just wanna tell all of you that C&C red alert actually has a slightly better Pixel-precision and visual wiighting than BW and is even older.This is simply because of the way sprites were rendered and have no place imo in todays era of Gaming. We have to remember that the true skill of RTS gaming HAS to be based on strategy. Multitasking and execution while very important have to take a secondary role to the more important requirement of being a clever player. This is from a playing perspective... Please remember that only after the release of parts 2 & 3 will SC2 be complete as a game. Huge mechanical changes are still to come and there are many exciting times ahead of us and it is truly inevitable that BW will finally have to make way for whatever version of SC2 there is in the future. I have succesfully managed to make a lotta my friends watch SC2(MLG/GSL) and enjoy it! However not even one can watch BW with me cos they find it a tacky game to watch! However I still find watching BW stimulating and I have to ask myself, is it just because of my personal BW bias that I find it better than SC2 to watch. Nada bought me to BW pro-gaming in 2004 and nowadays I find myself only watching the games with Flash(hoping he'll lose!), Jaedong(Hoping he'll win!), Bisu and Kal(hoping they won't choke!) and Stork('cos he's awesome!). + Show Spoiler + I miss Effort soooo much...Sob!!  | ||
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xarthaz
1704 Posts
Please remember that only after the release of parts 2 & 3 will SC2 be complete as a game. Huge mechanical changes are still to come You really believe that? You completely misunderstand the SC2 business plan. You see, it has NOTHING to do with esports as a goal. It is as simple as that, esports only serves as the means toward attracting more buyers, casuals, sales revenue is the real end. And the game is tailored to that end. | ||
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nitdkim
1264 Posts
Play on iccup or brain clan server. Prepare to enter F- ranking. | ||
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CASLsoju
Canada253 Posts
On January 11 2011 20:09 nitdkim wrote: OP gives off troll aura. Play on iccup or brain clan server. Prepare to enter F- ranking. Yeah I'm definitely trolling, moron. | ||
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Quarz
448 Posts
On January 11 2011 18:59 SushilS wrote: Sorry but I disagree! If you think the SC2 mechanic is easier then you have to understand that thats a good thing. Its like saying :: Why do we have GRID hotkeys cos it just makes hot-keying easier, We shud all just use normal hotkeys,Cos only then does true skill come out.... MBS und Custom Hot-Keys are fine. Smart Cast, super smart unit KI are not okay. Because of smart cast spells in Sc2 are not very exciting. With too good Unit KI you have to dumb down units like Reaver and tanks. | ||
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2Pacalypse-
Croatia9517 Posts
On January 11 2011 16:57 andreyyisbestandrey wrote: PM me if you want a per$onal trainer. A- iccup, wcg 4th place, 10s of thousands of games, etc. Wow, that's a very generous offer. Just a question, does that dollar sign in personal have a hidden meaning? | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
On January 11 2011 12:43 NukeTheStars wrote: Hmmm, some people in this thread just don't understand what personal challenge is. BW is a very different kind of challenge. It's chaotic, but controlled. Not only does every unit and structure have a good visual weight, but you get that pixel-precision, even with the pre-rendered sprites. You just don't get that much anymore. Everything is so floaty, liquidy, and weightless in modern rendering. I'm in the same boat as the OP, actually. Getting back into playing BW in a big way after burning out on, and subsequently uninstalling, SC2. Really interesting post. I have exactly the same sensations when i play those games, Sc2 feels "liquid", all the units seem to glide. In bw their behaviour is completly different. I also like that expression: "visual weight". Thank you for fiding those words, sometimes it is quite hard to express. I went back to bw for the same reasons. | ||
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
Thats a reason why those games take years to die. And after the announcement of sc2 alot of people started to look at bw again hehe. So if you have are scared about bw dieing ... you will probably have a few years to play it. And as far as bw players are concerned. Because they play such an old school game they normally don't have problems to get into a newer game really fast (so no need to be afraid). I mean everyone that played through rick dangerous, will laugh at newer jump and runs and rather play it again. As it goes for me only thing i am watching from bw are the epic games with one 30 kill dragoon etc. Other then that korean pro games got boring for me as it became the same after a while and you would have to watch 7 games to find one non standard, excluding cheese of course. (lost interest before sc2 beta). But that is probably because i can't understand the casters, which is the best thing for me funny casters. | ||
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Ido
Germany661 Posts
On January 11 2011 22:36 FeyFey wrote: But that is probably because i can't understand the casters, which is the best thing for me funny casters. so thats kinda interesting. for me its not important to have funny casters nor it is important that i understand them. casters have to bring emotion to the game and get me excited which is what almost all of the english-speaking casters fail to do for me xD | ||
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Firereaver
India1701 Posts
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PoP
France15446 Posts
On January 11 2011 23:00 Firereaver wrote: I think the Jinro Vs. Ensnare game has said all I want to say! Did anyone imply SC2 could not have great games? I'm failing to get the point of this post. | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50584 Posts
On January 11 2011 19:13 xarthaz wrote: You really believe that? You completely misunderstand the SC2 business plan. You see, it has NOTHING to do with esports as a goal. It is as simple as that, esports only serves as the means toward attracting more buyers, casuals, sales revenue is the real end. And the game is tailored to that end. Bah Humbug you too.lets all agree that SC2 is not as good as BW in in any way shape or form yet.lets leave it that way since there is no way of predicting the future. but enough of this nonsense. Friend me in iCCup /f a BLinD-RawR....I have other smurfs but those are also at D- level. HI NUKE!!!!!please friend me!!! | ||
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SushilS
2115 Posts
On January 11 2011 23:17 PoP wrote: Did anyone imply SC2 could not have great games? I'm failing to get the point of this post. Lol are you serious? That implication is made all the time!! | ||
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PoP
France15446 Posts
On January 11 2011 23:27 SushilS wrote: Lol are you serious? That implication is made all the time!! No, implications are made on how games tend to turn out most of the time. | ||
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Anomalist0032
United States47 Posts
While sc2 is obviously less mechanically challenging, expecting player skills/strategies/overall entertainment of the games to be equal to that of a 13 year old game is unrealistic. I feel that sc2 is clearly evolving over time and will continue to do so. While bw will hopefully continue to have its own thriving community of players as well :D | ||
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gulati
United States2241 Posts
 Bisu, Pure, Kal, Stork, BeSt, JangBi, Stats, Violet, free[gm], Snow, Horang2That should pretty much give you in-depth knowledge of what is deemed as standard in PvX, and how to react to any sorts of timing attacks. It is critical to also make sure to read the  Protoss Strategy section in the Liquipedia.* * * Hope this helped. | ||
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masterbreti
Korea (South)2711 Posts
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
Also please, don't talk about SC2 in this thread it's just irrelevant if you think the game is good or not. We prefer BW to play and watch, end of story. | ||
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andreyyisbestandrey
154 Posts
On January 11 2011 22:08 2Pacalypse- wrote: Wow, that's a very generous offer. Just a question, does that dollar sign in personal have a hidden meaning? Think escorts on craigslist. To contribute, BW is a magical game made in a more innocent time and by a company that cared about creating quality games (as opposed to a product, per se). | ||
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seRapH
United States9776 Posts
On January 11 2011 23:41 gulati wrote: OP: If you want to learn Protoss fast, I would recommend going to the BW VODs section and watching games from the following players: Bisu, Pure, Kal, Stork, BeSt, JangBi, Stats, Violet, free[gm]That should pretty much give you in-depth knowledge of what is deemed as standard in PvX, and how to react to any sorts of timing attacks. It is critical to also make sure to read the Protoss Strategy section in the Liquipedia.* * * Hope this helped. Don't forget Horang2 ^_^ | ||
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Inzek
Chile802 Posts
first go learn (at least your race's) strategies.... with a decent db of strategies on your head you can now start playing and watching vods or replays, without strategies you just dont know whats happening, why is happening and your learning process is going to be slower. You can always work on your macro, it just never going to be perfect, micro for me is more related at knowing what to do that just having high apm, so once you know your strategy, enemy's counter, your counter you can start playing faster (macro wise, micro wise, multitasking, etc) | ||
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ninini
Sweden1204 Posts
On January 11 2011 12:43 NukeTheStars wrote: Hmmm, some people in this thread just don't understand what personal challenge is. BW is a very different kind of challenge. It's chaotic, but controlled. Not only does every unit and structure have a good visual weight, but you get that pixel-precision, even with the pre-rendered sprites. You just don't get that much anymore. Everything is so floaty, liquidy, and weightless in modern rendering. I couldn't have said it better myself. The graphics is the main thing that put me off from SC2. Figures NUKEthestars plays Terran. | ||
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gulati
United States2241 Posts
Thanks. Horang is a master of PvP (slipped my mind); updated. P.S. Cannot believe I forgot Snow. | ||
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slappy
United States1271 Posts
OP - I see your icon is a probe so I'm assuming you're playing toss For PvZ greatness, please refer to Bisu! Check out the finals of him vs Savior, who was the Zerg bonjwa of his time. Bisu is nicknamed the revolutionist because at the time of Savior's reign, Zerg was said to have been way advantageous to Protoss. After these finals, suddenly it seemed manageable. For PvT, look nowhere further than stork. Can't think of a spectacular game off the top of my head, but if you just scroll through the small VOD thread, check out any of his games vT - he's a monster. For PvP, both stated above are good, but check out Kal as well. He pulls out some greatness and is a solid player all around. Any game between these 3 players will be a great example of PvP. by watching the above players with their respective matches, you will be able to learn extremely solid builds. Of course, everything that everyone else said will help you too. | ||
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puppykiller
United States3137 Posts
On January 11 2011 23:47 masterbreti wrote: thanks gulati for those suggestion, i'm playing toss too and this will be helpful. though right now i am looking for more replays rather than vod's This is the best place for reps. The games arent all log and intense games but rather show onesided victories and generic cheese losses that better represent what you will be facing on the ladder. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=115850 | ||
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MagnusHyperion
United States288 Posts
Anyone else playing both BW and SC2? How do you guys switch up playing? Do you focus on one more than the other? Do you use one for recreation and the other for serious play? What are your thoughts? | ||
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masterbreti
Korea (South)2711 Posts
On January 12 2011 08:30 puppykiller wrote: This is the best place for reps. The games arent all log and intense games but rather show onesided victories and generic cheese losses that better represent what you will be facing on the ladder. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=115850 well i've downloaded all thoe replays, i guess i'm shocked how little replays are left. there should be like 12 years worth of replays, but it onyl seems like very little is left from pre sc2 time. i wonder if some of the pros still have their bw replays. i'll auctally have to check that out, see maybe if i can't pm some of the former bw pros and ask them for whats left of their replay archives. see if i can't dig up some matches from way back that have been long gone | ||
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PH
United States6173 Posts
On January 11 2011 08:26 Red. wrote: excuse me guys is it just me or broodwar is years ahead of sc2? just played a match in iccup and its pretty damn hard compared to sc2... i think im quitting sc2 for BW This is an enlightened man. | ||
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2Pacalypse-
Croatia9517 Posts
On January 13 2011 19:05 masterbreti wrote: well i've downloaded all thoe replays, i guess i'm shocked how little replays are left. there should be like 12 years worth of replays, but it onyl seems like very little is left from pre sc2 time. i wonder if some of the pros still have their bw replays. i'll auctally have to check that out, see maybe if i can't pm some of the former bw pros and ask them for whats left of their replay archives. see if i can't dig up some matches from way back that have been long gone Here, I made a little reppack (371 replays) for you of some of the old reps I have on my comp: [url blocked] --Contents of RAR:-- [Asia vs Europe] - Showmatch between Asia and Europe. Not sure about the date. Line-ups:
[Blizzcon] - Reps from a Blizzcon. Also not sure about the date (2005 I think) Participants:
[ChinaWCG] - Reps from a 2006. WCG qualifications in China [fish vs Mondi] - A showmatch between Fisheye and Mondragon. Not sure which event (says ECG in replay names -.-). [gosu reps] - Replays from various progamers (Boxer, NaDa, oov etc.) and some notable foreigners (Draco, elky, PJ etc.) [Mondi replay pack] - Replay pack of Mondragon from PGT days. [Testie vs Breakdown] - Event - Gosugamers King of the Hill, 2005 (I think...) [ToT) clan] - Two clan wars of ToT clan.
Ok, that would be all. Of course most of these replays are bugged if you watch them with current version, so you will need to find out the BW version on which these games were played (use BWChart) and then watch them with Starcraft Version Changer, or some similar tool that lets you change the versions of BW. | ||
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masterbreti
Korea (South)2711 Posts
thats something i'm going to work on a lot more, getting those reps back from the grave so to speak. | ||
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No_eL
Chile1438 Posts
the kids that love to play ums maps and fastest or money maps could love sc2 more, but the old hardcore players (except for the ones winning money in sc2 of course) would come back to sc:fw aswell | ||
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2Pacalypse-
Croatia9517 Posts
On January 13 2011 22:45 masterbreti wrote: this is awesome. thanks so much for that pack. this is exactly the kind of stuff i was looking for. i know a lot of the wg tour stuff is gone since they took down their site (a lot of good games gone) and same with a few other sites that the packs that were saved there just got deleted. thats something i'm going to work on a lot more, getting those reps back from the grave so to speak. Col_Drake posted 3,000 WGT replays and apparently they're still available for download: http://rapidshare.com/users/VM6FPA (along with some other replay packs there) Drake is the guy who had over 200,000 replays saved on his computer so if you could get in touch with him, you could ask him to upload all of his replays maybe ^^ | ||
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masterbreti
Korea (South)2711 Posts
Edit: i've looked at those packs on his rapidshare. they do not work | ||
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MagnusHyperion
United States288 Posts
i love that crazy german bastard and i miss Col in BW | ||
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masterbreti
Korea (South)2711 Posts
because i guess the replays were off topic i did create a new thread http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=184123 just so we can keep this one about getting back to bw | ||
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2Pacalypse-
Croatia9517 Posts
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