EPTtl;dr just bought BW and I dont know what to do with it
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LeoA
Canada108 Posts
tl;dr just bought BW and I dont know what to do with it | ||
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Akuemon
Canada151 Posts
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Comeh
United States18918 Posts
 ).But really, what you want to be doing is, once you get bored with 1v1 on b.net US west (don't bother with east), go on iccup (after you updated starcraft). http://www.iccup.com/ http://www.iccup.com/starcraft/sc_start.html From there, good luck - and get used to losing, most people will lose an incredible amount before they start seeing improvement. Just be diligent, calm, and willing to learn from your mistakes. And of course, have fun with the best competitive game ever! | ||
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Emon_
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KlaCkoN
Sweden1661 Posts
Do you have a lot of previous RTS experience? In that case just start playing on battle net, ask the people you play with for advice and look up stuff you are wondering about on liquipedia here on TL. You'll pick it up fast enough. If you haven't played RTS games before you might want to start with the campaigns to get a feel for the game and how it works. Welcome to the best game ever, have fun  | ||
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10or10
Sweden517 Posts
On December 22 2010 06:48 LeoA wrote: Hi, I'm LeoA, and I just bought Brood War, and I was wondering if there was anything I should sign up for, read, or do before playing. also, I was wondering what the standard way to play bw is, 2v2, 3v3, 1v1 or what...idk what should I do now I've bought it tl;dr just bought BW and I dont know what to do with it You should play! Either the campaign or online, if you are going to play online I think most would recomend iCCup, but competition is pretty fierce so you must prepare for a hard time in the beginning. Liquipedia has many strategies for all matchups if you want to read up, otherwise you could search youtube for commentaries (either pro-matches or intructional). Best way to improve is to find a practice partner (and/or tutor) as well as read up on common strategies. edit: One is always late on tl | ||
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nbaker
United States1341 Posts
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SirGlinG
Sweden933 Posts
On December 22 2010 06:52 Emon_ wrote: Go through Single player with each race. Make a topic and tell us about your progress in Blogs =) I like the blog idea! Play through the campaign for as long as you find it rewarding. To make learning 1v1 etc more fun try to find practice partners or other people new to the game here on TL, perhaps someone will show up in this thread. Good luck and have fun! | ||
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tryummm
774 Posts
If not play the campaign/vs a computer/a bit of Used Map Settings games until you do. Then start practicing on real maps (What the pro gamers play, not on fastest) and try to find a teacher! | ||
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blahman3344
United States2015 Posts
If it's more casual stuff, then I suggest playing fastest/bgh/zc maps to get you started (if you can put up with guys who are ridiculously bad mannered). | ||
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zobz
Canada2175 Posts
But one of the first maps you should be playing online in order to get an appretiation for the speed the game should and must be played at, is (4)Blood Bath. Imo one of the hardest things is to learn to concentrate as hard as you possibly can when your opponent is across the map somewhere under the shroud of the fog of war, and you have no idea what they're doing. Playing on a super small map helps keep you motivated to play faster because the game could end very suddenly at any time, rather than a more complex and subtle threat of getting a little behind and then watching your opponent take 10 minutes to translate an advantage into a win. You can learn how to rush and scout and defend rushes, with the goal of adapting to larger maps later. | ||
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Nazza
Australia1654 Posts
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LeoA
Canada108 Posts
I do have some rts experience, I play war 3 or a semi-regular basis, but I'm looking for something more competitive (eg SC:BW) I've looked at alot of forums and whatnot, and read about a bunch of cool builds...and the blog idea is a really good one, I'll make one for every day in the next couple weeks. more info on that will come later | ||
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iamho
United States3347 Posts
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jimminy_kriket
Canada5500 Posts
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phosphorylation
United States2935 Posts
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LeoA
Canada108 Posts
I'm using 'control #' (as in hitting the number and the control key simultaneously) my PC is home right now, and I'm playing on an old macbook (2003) how does one set control groups on a mac? | ||
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IceCube
Croatia1403 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Have Fun with it. No matter what your goal is. And I wish to congratulate you for buying this amazingly awesome game! | ||
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SkelA
Macedonia13032 Posts
SC BW is the only original game I've bought in my entire life and will probably stays that way. | ||
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11cc
Finland561 Posts
On December 22 2010 08:41 LeoA wrote: I'm having trouble setting control groups...I'm on a mac, but the command should be the same right? I'm using 'control #' (as in hitting the number and the control key simultaneously) my PC is home right now, and I'm playing on an old macbook (2003) how does one set control groups on a mac? I too think that it should be the same command. It has been a while since i played bw on mac. But can't you check that from the settings? Interesting blog. I'm looking forward to reading more maybe i'll get nostalgic of the first times i tried sc. Not that long ago actually... like beginning of 2008, lol. I suggest following the bw pro scene too, pick a favorite team (kt rolster ofcourse), and start watching the proleague matches. It's alot of fun=) | ||
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griMetone
Denmark57 Posts
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nozaro33
Taiwan1819 Posts
On December 22 2010 08:41 LeoA wrote: I'm having trouble setting control groups...I'm on a mac, but the command should be the same right? I'm using 'control #' (as in hitting the number and the control key simultaneously) my PC is home right now, and I'm playing on an old macbook (2003) how does one set control groups on a mac? I''m on a newer Macbook (intel-based) so I'm not sure if your keyboard layout is different, but if it isn't you set control groups with the control key, not the command key | ||
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Tazza
Korea (South)1678 Posts
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writer22816
United States5775 Posts
2. Chaoslauncher 3. Campaign 4. Bnet 5. Iccup | ||
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FlameSworD
United States414 Posts
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JMave
Singapore1803 Posts
liquipedia.net is your next destination. pick a race and learn the builds. practice them non-stop and build up your mechanics. | ||
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LeoA
Canada108 Posts
My blog of sorts which I will be updating with my experiences and interesting games for you guys to read...the first bit is long so you could just skip it | ||
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seRapH
United States9756 Posts
you are my favorite newbie <3 | ||
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ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
Read all of this + work on mechanics and you'll be at least D+ =]. | ||
LosingID8
CA10826 Posts
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KiLL_ORdeR
United States1518 Posts
Once you find the race that best fits you, look up vods and replays of the best players of that race (I'd say FlaSh and Iris for Terran because although  Flash is by far the best, Iris has a very cool play style of aggro Terran that's a lot of fun to play,  Jaedong for Zerg, and probably  Stork or Kal for protoss.) Once you've looked up some BO's on Liquipedia or copied them from pro replays, practice them a lot in empty games until you can execute at least one BO versus each race perfectly >90% of the time.Then get back on US West and keep playing until you can get about a 70% winrate. I'd say this because that's about the level you need to not get blown out every game on iCCup, and it's also an environment much more conducive to being a nooby since you'll always find games against players who you are able to beat, as well as players who will absolutely destroy you. then hit iCCup and just keep laddering. Keep in mind you will lose a lot at first, just make sure everytime you lose you learn something from that game, and if you get discouraged, you can always hit the custom games or just take a break. Also, never underestimate the power of taking a extended break during a losing streak. | ||
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Melancholia
United States717 Posts
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G3nXsiS
United States656 Posts
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HtC
Korea (South)26 Posts
On December 22 2010 12:26 LosingID8 wrote: 3v3 BGH qft. I think you'll find 3v3 BGH the most fun if you're more of a casual player. Play 1v1 ICCUP if you're a more serious player. | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
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]343[
United States10328 Posts
On December 22 2010 13:12 G3nXsiS wrote: Go play sc2 lol. If you have already done so then just play the campaign to get a better idea of the story. let him get his taste of the real game that started it all! | ||
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meegrean
Thailand7699 Posts
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Black[CAT]
Malaysia2589 Posts
WARNING : Some people get mad teaming with lesser players. One thing, try play at least 10 practice games a day if you have the time, you will improve pretty quickly. EDIT: Yeah, would love to read your blog! | ||
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LeoA
Canada108 Posts
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Sawamura
Malaysia7602 Posts
On December 22 2010 14:35 LeoA wrote: Ok, Its 12:30, and I just won the first two games I ever played =D I was protoss, 2gate dragoons into 6gate dragoons after an fe...got some shuttles and beat a terran, and a zerg...honestly most fun I've had playing a game for a long time, b/c I'm not worried about losing my stats... =D Great to hear of your early succes LeoA just don't let the loosing get to you gl hf ^^. | ||
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zobz
Canada2175 Posts
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
I got Starcraft 1/BW when I was like 12 or so, and played it, but mostly customs and the campaign and stuff like that, nothing really serious. Good memories. The point of this terrible ramble is I think I'm going to try to find my old CD keys and download the game and give it a shot for fun as an alternative to the other games I play. Maybe I'll make a blog if I ever use ICCup, "Mr. Wiggles get stomped in BW! (A cry for help)" :p | ||
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ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
On December 22 2010 13:12 G3nXsiS wrote: Go play sc2 lol. If you have already done so then just play the campaign to get a better idea of the story. =_=". Please step out of the BW forum if your gonna post trash like this. | ||
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
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Leeoku
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4329 Posts
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koreasilver
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Yxes2211
United States1587 Posts
Second: Liquipedia is your friend. Check out the strategy and basics sections to get a general idea  Other than that just jump in | ||
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Kal_rA
United States2925 Posts
it took me aaages to get to C- and im still shit at this brilliant game haha | ||
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_Quasar_
Russian Federation4405 Posts
But yes, play single campaigns - you'll not regret. That story behind the brood war world is one of the things that makes the game's ambience so attractive... *rolleyes* | ||
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Kal_rA
United States2925 Posts
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Don_Julio
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If you haven't done it yet. Foward your ports in order to host games: http://www.iccup.com/content/news/Tech_2_-_Port_Forwarding.html | ||
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0mgVitaminE
United States1278 Posts
On December 22 2010 17:17 Pedo.Bear wrote: oh and i forgot... watch day9's old stuff... itll get you psyched up to play some bw :D If I could replace every post with this I would. Day9 will get you pumped like no other, watch it all. | ||
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Silentness
United States2821 Posts
D- is a forgiving rank, but D is way too broad. I'd say D+ is ok and C- and up you know somewhat what you are doing. | ||
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SilverSkyLark
Philippines8437 Posts
A tl;dr for 2 sentences? Is this for rela? anyway, if you're starting from square 0 with no knowledge about bw AT ALL (e.g. you're from SC2 and wanna check out THE Game), I suggest you play the campaign. If you decide to play online, try bnet first to get a good feel about the game. If you encounter difficulties, try liquipedia. If ever you decide to go play in iCCup (note keyword: if ever) and get raped hard, don't lose hope, it happens to the best of us, and we have a strat forum to help you and some might even be willing to be your practice partner or whatnot. | ||
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Ricjames
Czech Republic1047 Posts
For some FPVODS: http://www.youtube.com/nevake#g/c/01857E15C9C2620E | ||
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GeckoVOD
Germany814 Posts
On December 22 2010 16:11 koreasilver wrote: I wouldn't really play on iCCup until you've got a basic hang of all the units and buildings and you've watched professional gamers play for at least a short while. Doing these two will allow you to at least get a basic grasp of what to do. Jumping into iCCup when you don't know anything can be really, really brutal. The first time you play will always be brutal but it's nice to have a vague picture of what you want to do. Progames are fun anyway and they're great for making you enthusiastic about things even besides the educational aspects of it. I never get why people give such sort of tips. Like not going on ICCup. Where is he supposed to go? Normal B-net servers are filled with hackers and flooded by stupid possi/mucho/funmap games, he get stomped there as well as on ICCup or even worse get the wrong idea how BW actually looks like. It's right that the ladder itself is way too hard for a real rookie, but that shouldn't stop him from joining the sever and trying to get in contact with clans / other players that could help him. It's not that The Abyss is all about the ladder, and it's surely not B-net 2.0 which has no chat rooms. We re-opened the ICCup Training Program, there is a huge news at www.iccup.com about it. Anyone willing to train / learn can see a list of players with IM contacts and time zones. There are many ways to get to know broodwar, dodging ICCup as foreigner seems one of the less attractive to me. But then again, I'm biased | ||
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LeoA
Canada108 Posts
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2Pacalypse-
Croatia9495 Posts
On December 22 2010 22:23 Gecko[Xp] wrote: I never get why people give such sort of tips. Like not going on ICCup. Where is he supposed to go? Normal B-net servers are filled with hackers and flooded by stupid possi/mucho/funmap games, he get stomped there as well as on ICCup or even worse get the wrong idea how BW actually looks like. It's right that the ladder itself is way too hard for a real rookie, but that shouldn't stop him from joining the sever and trying to get in contact with clans / other players that could help him. It's not that The Abyss is all about the ladder, and it's surely not B-net 2.0 which has no chat rooms. We re-opened the ICCup Training Program, there is a huge news at www.iccup.com about it. Anyone willing to train / learn can see a list of players with IM contacts and time zones. There are many ways to get to know broodwar, dodging ICCup as foreigner seems one of the less attractive to me. But then again, I'm biased Woah, calm down there. There's no need to call possi/mucho/funmap games 'stupid', just because you don't find them interesting. And getting the wrong idea how BW actually looks like? Please, there's no need for this holier-than-thou attitude. I think it's perfectly fine advising a completely new player to try some 3v3 BGH, instead of immediately starting with grinding the ladder, learning the builds like he's practicing to be the next Flash. And Bnet is a perfectly fine place for casual games like this. I would also love nothing more than to see all remaining BW players come to the ICCup, but since this is not the case, Bnet remains as a viable choice to play on with its own charms as well. | ||
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LeoA
Canada108 Posts
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vOdToasT
Sweden2870 Posts
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metalsonic
Netherlands95 Posts
The thing I recommend to do is to just first to get familiar with all units and their abbilities , then I recommend to just do 1 build order over and over then u can do new stuff . | ||
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GeckoVOD
Germany814 Posts
On December 23 2010 00:36 2Pacalypse- wrote: Woah, calm down there. There's no need to call possi/mucho/funmap games 'stupid', just because you don't find them interesting. And getting the wrong idea how BW actually looks like? Please, there's no need for this holier-than-thou attitude. I think it's perfectly fine advising a completely new player to try some 3v3 BGH, instead of immediately starting with grinding the ladder, learning the builds like he's practicing to be the next Flash. And Bnet is a perfectly fine place for casual games like this. I would also love nothing more than to see all remaining BW players come to the ICCup, but since this is not the case, Bnet remains as a viable choice to play on with its own charms as well. My post sounded harder than it should. In my personal experience I learned that the vast majority of the (European) possi/mucho scene is simply retarded, and even more kiddy-like than the fan-base-hyped sc2 scene uses to be at German community pages. In addition you're really not hacksafe (my personal exerpience: 50%+ hackers in possi games, 20% at BGH) at Europe and the games are quite laggy. Overall I remember the standard public B-net as quite impolite and dull. Not to mention that somehow, when using Vista or Win7, you can get disconnected from time to time without a reason. At least that was the case for me. When I said "stupid" maps I mean that possi / BGH is (in my opinion) not really challenging and you can lose the interest in BW sooner than on low maps. It just resembles the wrong image. Especially possi/fastest maps are all the same - 1a2a3a, without needing to make strategical decisions. It's quite fun to play BGH from time to time, moreover if you have good allies, but I think learning and watching the real BW on low maps gives you more. If you skip the mucho part of BW it's more likely you get better fast, than when "wasting" your time on maps with strategies you can't possibly transfer onto low maps. You don't even train your mechanics, as you don't have to use them in the manner you had to use them when you play BW only. So, in conclusion, if someone really thinks about investing time in BW with the goal to be only slightly better than the normal usership, skipping the ordinary blizzard b-net would be a wise decision to make. I didn't want to offend anyone with this. | ||
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emperorchampion
Canada9496 Posts
On December 23 2010 00:17 LeoA wrote: Yea, I'm definentaly going on iCCup tomorrow...I'm attemting to play at least 10 hours a day so I should be *decent* in about 2 weeks =D anyway, I think I may have been playing scrubs for my first 2 games, I played another and got bf'd in like 8 minutes...I basically always go for mass dragoons and get upgrades and I dont know what else to do, and yes I do have some basic rts experience, from war3, sc2 and aoe2...if anyone wants to practice that'd be cool =D :O 10hrs a day... Next Kolll lol? Anyways, with the BGH debate, if you can find decent games then BGH is good. The problem though is finding decent games, I imagine you would have to be connected to people in the BGH community. Also, BGH at high levels definitely requires similar skills to standard low money maps or any team game. | ||
BroOd
Austin10831 Posts
On December 23 2010 01:08 Gecko[Xp] wrote: My post sounded harder than it should. In my personal experience I learned that the vast majority of the (European) possi/mucho scene is simply retarded, and even more kiddy-like than the fan-base-hyped sc2 scene uses to be at German community pages. In addition you're really not hacksafe (my personal exerpience: 50%+ hackers in possi games, 20% at BGH) at Europe and the games are quite laggy. Overall I remember the standard public B-net as quite impolite and dull. Not to mention that somehow, when using Vista or Win7, you can get disconnected from time to time without a reason. At least that was the case for me. When I said "stupid" maps I mean that possi / BGH is (in my opinion) not really challenging and you can lose the interest in BW sooner than on low maps. It just resembles the wrong image. Especially possi/fastest maps are all the same - 1a2a3a, without needing to make strategical decisions. It's quite fun to play BGH from time to time, moreover if you have good allies, but I think learning and watching the real BW on low maps gives you more. If you skip the mucho part of BW it's more likely you get better fast, than when "wasting" your time on maps with strategies you can't possibly transfer onto low maps. You don't even train your mechanics, as you don't have to use them in the manner you had to use them when you play BW only. So, in conclusion, if someone really thinks about investing time in BW with the goal to be only slightly better than the normal usership, skipping the ordinary blizzard b-net would be a wise decision to make. I didn't want to offend anyone with this. Something like BGH would be appealing to a new player because at low levels, BGH games have a sort of "sandbox" feel to them. It removes a large part of the responsibilities of economy management, which can be a very daunting and confusing aspect of BW, and allows players to mess around a bit. They can make large armies, experiment with lesser-used units, and generally play at a more relaxed pace. People forget that in the first while, everything about a game like BW can be frustrating if it's all thrown at you at once. | ||
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quirinus
Croatia2489 Posts
On December 23 2010 00:52 vOdToasT wrote: I don't think you can play with Antihack launcher on Mac. But you can still play on iccup, just without antihack/lan latency support. As it has been said, watch some vods (fp vods or user streams ---> on the right, under the calendar). You can also dl replays. Glad to see you try SC, even after SC2 has come out! :D | ||
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2Pacalypse-
Croatia9495 Posts
On December 23 2010 01:08 Gecko[Xp] wrote: My post sounded harder than it should. In my personal experience I learned that the vast majority of the (European) possi/mucho scene is simply retarded, and even more kiddy-like than the fan-base-hyped sc2 scene uses to be at German community pages. In addition you're really not hacksafe (my personal exerpience: 50%+ hackers in possi games, 20% at BGH) at Europe and the games are quite laggy. Overall I remember the standard public B-net as quite impolite and dull. Not to mention that somehow, when using Vista or Win7, you can get disconnected from time to time without a reason. At least that was the case for me. When I said "stupid" maps I mean that possi / BGH is (in my opinion) not really challenging and you can lose the interest in BW sooner than on low maps. It just resembles the wrong image. Especially possi/fastest maps are all the same - 1a2a3a, without needing to make strategical decisions. It's quite fun to play BGH from time to time, moreover if you have good allies, but I think learning and watching the real BW on low maps gives you more. If you skip the mucho part of BW it's more likely you get better fast, than when "wasting" your time on maps with strategies you can't possibly transfer onto low maps. You don't even train your mechanics, as you don't have to use them in the manner you had to use them when you play BW only. So, in conclusion, if someone really thinks about investing time in BW with the goal to be only slightly better than the normal usership, skipping the ordinary blizzard b-net would be a wise decision to make. I didn't want to offend anyone with this. Ok, we obviously differ in opinion so I won't go into a lengthy debate. I'd just like to point out the irony in your claim that playing possi / BGH can make you lose the interest in BW sooner than on low maps. Why is it then that BGH remained as one of the most played map over the entire lifespan of BW? | ||
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JiYan
United States3668 Posts
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GeckoVOD
Germany814 Posts
On December 23 2010 03:30 2Pacalypse- wrote: [ Ok, we obviously differ in opinion so I won't go into a lengthy debate. I'd just like to point out the irony in your claim that playing possi / BGH can make you lose the interest in BW sooner than on low maps. Why is it then that BGH remained as one of the most played map over the entire lifespan of BW? I honestly have no clue, same goes for possi maps. Maybe because it's simply due to the fact that it's more casual friendly. I didn't want to drag BGH/Hunters in it for the first place, as said, I think it can be fun from time to time, but I also think low maps offer more fun overall. And I want to point out again, that I don't want to offend anyone. My main argument was aiming for the possi/fastest scene, which is, as said, not the nicest community and really full of hackers, cheaters and flamers. | ||
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2Pacalypse-
Croatia9495 Posts
On December 23 2010 04:11 Gecko[Xp] wrote: I honestly have no clue, same goes for possi maps. Maybe because it's simply due to the fact that it's more casual friendly. I didn't want to drag BGH/Hunters in it for the first place, as said, I think it can be fun from time to time, but I also think low maps offer more fun overall. And I want to point out again, that I don't want to offend anyone. My main argument was aiming for the possi/fastest scene, which is, as said, not the nicest community and really full of hackers, cheaters and flamers. Hey, as long as you don't want to offend anyone... | ||
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LeoA
Canada108 Posts
day[2] of the blog is up, 17 games played so far since 11 ish est...figured out control groups and the f2-f4 commands..they help =D | ||
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synapse
China13814 Posts
On December 23 2010 01:49 quirinus wrote: But you can still play on iccup, just without antihack/lan latency support. As it has been said, watch some vods (fp vods or user streams ---> on the right, under the calendar). You can also dl replays. Glad to see you try SC, even after SC2 has come out! :D That's going to make it much more difficult to find games... and it was already pretty hard pre-SCII... | ||
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BoldMan
United States168 Posts
brood war takes a shit long time to learn how to play, and it takes a shit load of effort to be good at it it's highly acclaimed because its so balanced and well-made, yet its so old (but can run on anything) you should just get starcraft 2, which has a lower level of competition (or play UMS maps in brood war) honestly i think brood war is not something that will addict gamers early on like FPS's will, and if you don't have real life friends you can play with, it will get real dull btw, iccup provides a free download to online starcraft brood war | ||
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BoldMan
United States168 Posts
On December 23 2010 00:36 2Pacalypse- wrote: When I said "stupid" maps I mean that possi / BGH is (in my opinion) not really challenging and you can lose the interest in BW sooner than on low maps. It just resembles the wrong image. i disagree with this guy, you should start off on BGH and fastest maps to learn all the units, spells, hotkeys, and everything if you start off laddering, its going to be painful and dull; you will lose every game before getting to tier 2 and your opportunities for playing are limited not to mention BGH and fastest will be much more exciting because its fast-paced don't start off playing 1v1 maps edit: oops, sorry for the double post | ||
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2Pacalypse-
Croatia9495 Posts
On December 23 2010 08:04 BoldMan wrote: When I said "stupid" maps I mean that possi / BGH is (in my opinion) not really challenging and you can lose the interest in BW sooner than on low maps. It just resembles the wrong image. I disagree with this guy as well. | ||
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TheUberMango
United States77 Posts
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LeoA
Canada108 Posts
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Falling
Canada11348 Posts
On December 23 2010 10:20 LeoA wrote: Yea, I dont want to get too serious about brood war, but its fun for me to play lans and stuff, and I always used to get cut out when it was time to play SC, all i could play was aoe, and cs with my friends,also I think it'l help me get better at rts games in general And to me this is exactly why someone would pick up SCBW. Congrats man. My buddies still play SCBW at lan parties- my problem was being too much better than my buddies, but starting iCCup put me in my place. But it need not be hundreds of games before you get your first win on iCCup. People are insanely good, but out of 30 games total, I've gotten 5 wins. There's a handful of us D to D- folk that play the game or are starting to learn. I say why not? Play what's fun- campaign, BGH, low money maps on iCCup, weird UMS maps- (Tandem Starcraft still remains my favourite). | ||
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kamikami
France1057 Posts
The winrate of a beginner on iCCup is about 20%-35% (if you follow a build order), but you will rape the next LAN party you have with friends. | ||
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LeoA
Canada108 Posts
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LeoA
Canada108 Posts
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