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Johnnybegood2night
Germany31 Posts
I'm Zerg player with average APM and skills. I just wanted to know, which Hotkeys do I need to use if I play Zerg, also how high does my APM have to be, to play good iwth Zerg. At the moment I use the Hotkeys 1-3 for units 4-9 for hatches. Also I could need some tips for gettin better with Zerg. Thanks and regards | ||
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GenesisX
Canada4267 Posts
I personally use: 1 - First scouting drone -> Army 2 - First scouting overlord ->Mutalisks 3 - Defense drone (from pylon blocks and such) -> Overseer 4 - Nothing..  5-9 - Separate base hatches, 5 being main. 0 - All hatches, for pumping out units faster. You'll notice I don't have a hotkey for queens. I realize this is bad, but since I check my base every 1 or 2 seconds, I can inject anytime I don't see green bubbles on my hatcheries. Hope this helps. EDIT: LOL | ||
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vectorix108
United States4633 Posts
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Stenstyren
Sweden619 Posts
What you can work on is redoing your setup mid-game. For example, if the game gets to lategame 1-3 will not be enough to control your army, 1-5 may not even be adequate. For example, if I'm setting up for a big push with a 200/200 army I will bind pretty much 1-9 and then use savescreenposition to macro. As for APM, the more the merrier. Around 100 apm should allow you to macro in every situation except from really tense micro battles. | ||
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TheNessman
United States4158 Posts
On November 29 2010 04:41 GenesisX wrote: ~2300 Diamond Zerg here. I personally use: 1 - First scouting drone -> Army 2 - First scouting overlord ->Mutalisks 3 - Defense drone (from pylon blocks and such) -> Overseer 4 - Nothing.. 5-9 - Separate base hatches, 5 being main. 0 - All hatches, for pumping out units faster. You'll notice I don't have a hotkey for queens. I realize this is bad, but since I check my base every 1 or 2 seconds, I can inject anytime I don't see green bubbles on my hatcheries. Hope this helps. Can i ask you why you use queens? Broodlings is a pretty expensive upgrade... Also what is this "diamond" ranking? | ||
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iSiN
United States1075 Posts
On November 29 2010 06:40 TheNessman wrote: Can i ask you why you use queens? Broodlings is a pretty expensive upgrade... Also what is this "diamond" ranking? I think this is my new favorite thread on all of team liquid possibly of all time! This kid is going to get grilled so hard lol | ||
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Kyuukyuu
Canada6263 Posts
On November 29 2010 06:40 TheNessman wrote: Can i ask you why you use queens? Broodlings is a pretty expensive upgrade... Also what is this "diamond" ranking? "D" is short for "diamond", not many people know this  | ||
infinitestory
United States4053 Posts
On November 29 2010 07:07 Kyuukyuu wrote: "D" is short for "diamond", not many people know this So that means "C" is copper! Suddenly this newfangled ranking system is starting to make sense. EDIT oh darkplasmaball posted below, it probably is just ensnare on hatchery, nothing special, but why would you want to slow down something which doesn't move? EDIT 2: also, you made a typo, overseer should be overlord, but that's minor... i guess you must really love drop strategy :O | ||
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SkelA
Macedonia13064 Posts
1 scout drone/army 2 first overlord/army 345 Hatch Mid/late game : 1234 Army 567 Hatch (only 1 hatch per expo) | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44934 Posts
On November 29 2010 04:41 GenesisX wrote: ~2300 Diamond Zerg here. I personally use: 1 - First scouting drone -> Army 2 - First scouting overlord ->Mutalisks 3 - Defense drone (from pylon blocks and such) -> Overseer 4 - Nothing.. 5-9 - Separate base hatches, 5 being main. 0 - All hatches, for pumping out units faster. You'll notice I don't have a hotkey for queens. I realize this is bad, but since I check my base every 1 or 2 seconds, I can inject anytime I don't see green bubbles on my hatcheries. Hope this helps. 1 is Army? This means your ground army is never larger than 12 units? Do you always attack before the ten-minute mark as a general rule? If this is the case, then I'm confused as to why you need five hotkeys for different bases. Also, do you prefer attacking with 12 zerglings or a mix of 6 zerglings and 6 hydras? | ||
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Yodo
Russian Federation327 Posts
Around 100 apm should allow you to macro in every situation except from really tense micro battles. I doubt it. Even proper scout's control requires more APM. I believe it should be at least 160-200. | ||
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Yodo
Russian Federation327 Posts
Nah, he has 2 hotkeys for army actually: 2 - First scouting overlord ->Mutalisks It seems like he prefer muta all-in into GG build. | ||
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Megaliskuu
United States5123 Posts
On November 29 2010 04:41 GenesisX wrote: ~2300 Diamond Zerg here. I personally use: 1 - First scouting drone -> Army 2 - First scouting overlord ->Mutalisks 3 - Defense drone (from pylon blocks and such) -> Overseer 4 - Nothing.. 5-9 - Separate base hatches, 5 being main. 0 - All hatches, for pumping out units faster. You'll notice I don't have a hotkey for queens. I realize this is bad, but since I check my base every 1 or 2 seconds, I can inject anytime I don't see green bubbles on my hatcheries. Hope this helps. I tried this and couldn't get more than one hatchery on 0..I tried selecting them and shift clicking and stuff but nothing worked. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44934 Posts
On November 29 2010 08:00 Yodo wrote: 2 DarkPlasmaBall Nah, he has 2 hotkeys for army actually: It seems like he prefer muta all-in into GG build. Yeah, one for ground army and one for air. Interesting. And he uses queens to put green bubbles on his hatcheries? Does ensnare work that way? | ||
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therockmanxx
Peru1174 Posts
Early Game: + Show Spoiler + 1 Lings 2 Nothing yet (Maybe scouting drone) 3 Scouting Overlord 4 Main 5 Nat Exp Mid Game: + Show Spoiler + 1-2 Army... 3 Mutalisk? 4 Main 5 Nat Expo 6 Third Hatch #6: 3rd hatch could be my 2nd Expo or an aditional htach in my main I prefer the one in my base cause this are the hatch u use to group ur army not your drones Late Game + Show Spoiler + 1-4 A lot bunch of units !! 5 Main is here now or a hatch is in your main at least 6-8 Hatchzz... I cant really use more hotkeys than that.... I add one more hotkey for army because you can really move a big armies with just 3hotkeys Most of ur untis are lings so.... QUEENS are a terrible idea dont listen to that GenesisX. Clearly he is n00b !! xD If you have extra minerals make more hactheries | ||
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Yodo
Russian Federation327 Posts
I tried this and couldn't get more than one hatchery on 0 Did you try to ensnare them? Maybe there is a trick with queen ability and MBS. | ||
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Stenstyren
Sweden619 Posts
On November 29 2010 07:51 Yodo wrote: I doubt it. Even proper scout's control requires more APM. I believe it should be at least 160-200. What I meant was that you could macro pretty well in all situations where you are not performing micro with some unit. I did come across a little "100 apm is all you need" though and and that is ofc not the truth. Also, posting in epic thread. | ||
Spazer
Canada8031 Posts
On November 29 2010 08:01 Microlisk wrote: I tried this and couldn't get more than one hatchery on 0..I tried selecting them and shift clicking and stuff but nothing worked. The guy's obviously using some sort of multi-select hack. | ||
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Ursadon-n-Pals
United States928 Posts
On November 29 2010 08:39 Spazer wrote: The guy's obviously using some sort of multi-select hack. Probably Oblivian. But good thing Blizzard is sueing Zynaster who made it. | ||
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M!SHA
44 Posts
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vectorix108
United States4633 Posts
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29 fps
United States5724 Posts
i used to hotkey stuff for zerg. then i just stopped bothering with anything besides 1-3 and 0 overlord. | ||
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Percutio
United States1672 Posts
I just swallowed a pez whole. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44934 Posts
On November 27 2010 21:30 Johnnybegood2night wrote: Hi @all I'm Zerg player with average APM and skills. I just wanted to know, which Hotkeys do I need to use if I play Zerg, also how high does my APM have to be, to play good iwth Zerg. At the moment I use the Hotkeys 1-3 for units 4-9 for hatches. Also I could need some tips for gettin better with Zerg. Thanks and regards All right, OP. I feel that you're being a bit ambiguous with "how to be good with Zerg". You said you're average and you want to be good. Those aren't clearly defined, and so I'm having trouble helping you. 150-200 APM is a nice number to have, as is really good mechanics. Can you be more specific? Can you post a replay or two so we can see exactly where you're at? What's your ranking? Et cetera. And contrary to GenesisX's advice, I strongly recommend getting more than 12 ground units for attacking. I always felt that Zerg was all about swarming with masses of units, so you'll need more than one hotkey for your ground guys. And don't get queens. | ||
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Versita
Canada1032 Posts
On November 29 2010 08:11 Yodo wrote: Did you try to ensnare them? Maybe there is a trick with queen ability and MBS. omfg i'm going to try that right now maybe thats why you see pros use queens sometimes, but they just use ensnare to distract u from their mbs | ||
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Airsick
United States134 Posts
On November 29 2010 07:14 infinitestory wrote: So that means "C" is copper! Suddenly this newfangled ranking system is starting to make sense. EDIT oh darkplasmaball posted below, it probably is just ensnare on hatchery, nothing special, but why would you want to slow down something which doesn't move? EDIT 2: also, you made a typo, overseer should be overlord, but that's minor... i guess you must really love drop strategy :O So does that make B bronze? What about A? Aluminum? Adamantium? | ||
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infinitestory
United States4053 Posts
On November 29 2010 09:25 Airsick wrote: So does that make B bronze? What about A? Aluminum? Adamantium? It could be Argentum (silver) or Aurum (gold)... i think. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44934 Posts
On November 29 2010 09:28 infinitestory wrote: It could be Argentum (silver) or Aurum (gold)... i think. A-class is obviously Aurum, since S-class is Silver. ...which obviously proves that Blizzard doesn't know how to rank pro-gamers. GenesisX makes a very valid point | ||
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yakitate304
United States655 Posts
Mine are: 1-3 units 4: all Hatches 5: main 6: natural 7: third 8: newest expo (beyond 3rd) for Drone production 0: Overseer I'm thinking about making 1-4 units, 5 all Hatches, and then shift everything down one key edit: Nevermind, didn't realize this was the BW forum. Sorry. | ||
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GenesisX
Canada4267 Posts
hahahahahahaha Glad I could make you laugh. | ||
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Itzeddiieee
Korea (South)787 Posts
1- usually flying units 2, lings, hydras(if i use them), 3, lurkers, 4, ultras etc rest are hatcheries. | ||
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aztrorisk
United States896 Posts
On November 29 2010 09:25 Airsick wrote: So does that make B bronze? What about A? Aluminum? Adamantium? Oh wow! I guess I'm a B player because I'm in Bronze. Wow, I knew I was good but I didn't know I was this good. Anybody think I should go pro? BTW, I don't play SC that much and I'm already this good. Imagine how good I will be if I play full time. | ||
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bluetrolls
United States139 Posts
On November 29 2010 09:02 Percutio wrote: This thread is gold (Or maybe bronze?). I just swallowed a pez whole. Platinum, you n00b. | ||
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aztrorisk
United States896 Posts
On November 29 2010 09:28 infinitestory wrote: It could be Argentum (silver) or Aurum (gold)... i think. I'm pretty sure its Aurum because there is no Aluminum and it is harder to get into gold than silver. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44934 Posts
On November 29 2010 11:45 GenesisX wrote: Lol Oops. hahahahahahaha Glad I could make you laugh. +1 for being a good sport On November 29 2010 11:44 yakitate304 wrote: I'm a scrubby gold or plat player (I forget if I got promoted, I haven't played in a few weeks)... Mine are: 1-3 units 4: all Hatches 5: main 6: natural 7: third 8: newest expo (beyond 3rd) for Drone production 0: Overseer I'm thinking about making 1-4 units, 5 all Hatches, and then shift everything down one key edit: Nevermind, didn't realize this was the BW forum. Sorry. Sigh. | ||
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ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
On November 29 2010 08:39 Spazer wrote: The guy's obviously using some sort of multi-select hack. + Show Spoiler + SC2 is hacks?  who would have thought XD  | ||
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GenesisX
Canada4267 Posts
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therockmanxx
Peru1174 Posts
We should do something like "THREAD of the week" or something like that xD | ||
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Cyber_Cheese
Australia3615 Posts
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SubtleArt
2710 Posts
On November 29 2010 04:41 GenesisX wrote: ~2300 Diamond Zerg here. I personally use: 1 - First scouting drone -> Army 2 - First scouting overlord ->Mutalisks 3 - Defense drone (from pylon blocks and such) -> Overseer 4 - Nothing.. 5-9 - Separate base hatches, 5 being main. 0 - All hatches, for pumping out units faster. You'll notice I don't have a hotkey for queens. I realize this is bad, but since I check my base every 1 or 2 seconds, I can inject anytime I don't see green bubbles on my hatcheries. Hope this helps. EDIT: LOL You have no units that require separate micro? I would use different hotkeys for backstab lings, lurkers, defilers and scourge at the very least. Also I tried selecting my overlord and frantically clicking V but nothing happens. What do I do? | ||
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
Iccup sure made a weird ranking system, putting copper over diamond. But since diamonds are mined in Russia, maybe they're really really cheap there? | ||
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synapse
China13814 Posts
5 Scout -> Army 6 Scout (ovie) -> Nydus worm 7 Main Hatch 8-9 Other Hatches 0 All Hatches EDIT: 7 Main Hatch is an old habit that I never got rid of... I used to use 7 as my main CC in BW, then kept that when I switched to Zerg (in BW). | ||
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rigelq
United States230 Posts
Btw this thread is now my favorite ever... | ||
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aimaimaim
Philippines2167 Posts
seriously guys .. @op your asking here means you're not really that good .. maybe you are just starting to play the game after you've read tons of guides and watched tons of replays. and you're fairly decent with BOs now, my guess. so just spam games on iccup .. and watch your loses rise | ||
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IntoTheEmo
Singapore1169 Posts
General consensus seems to be: 1-2 scouting units / army -> 1-5 with more army 3-5 hatch, shift to 5-0 with bigger army save camera keys to expansions I was 1400 D at one point on iccup >< guess I should play some sc2 1v1 On November 29 2010 14:59 aimaimaim wrote: sooooooooooo .. was the OP's question answered? seriously guys .. @op your asking here means you're not really that good .. maybe you are just starting to play the game after you've read tons of guides and watched tons of replays. and you're fairly decent with BOs now, my guess. so just spam games on iccup .. and watch your loses rise You didn't really tell him much either~ But if he does take the advice from this thread, I guess he does need to spam games to get practice reassigning his hotkeys at critical points of the game. | ||
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bobbingmatt
Australia224 Posts
On November 29 2010 04:41 GenesisX wrote: ~2300 Diamond Zerg here. I personally use: 1 - First scouting drone -> Army 2 - First scouting overlord ->Mutalisks 3 - Defense drone (from pylon blocks and such) -> Overseer 4 - Nothing.. 5-9 - Separate base hatches, 5 being main. 0 - All hatches, for pumping out units faster. You'll notice I don't have a hotkey for queens. I realize this is bad, but since I check my base every 1 or 2 seconds, I can inject anytime I don't see green bubbles on my hatcheries. Hope this helps. Why do you want to slow the speed of your larva? Also i use 1-4 units, 5-0 hatch but i'm a noob. | ||
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Joefish
Germany314 Posts
So much epicness can only be found here :D Topic: I also use 1-4 units (Mutas, Defiler, Lurker, Ultras) and 5-0 hatches. Rally Points on F2-F4 (or sth else what is important) | ||
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gulati
United States2241 Posts
1=Hatchery 3=Scouting Drone 4=Overlord 2=Drone (for 12hatch) Mid game: 1-4=Lurkers/Mutalisk (don't bother hotkeying lings unless it's super early), 5-X (hatcheries) Late game: 1-7/8 Hatcheries, 9-0 Ultralisk/Defilers I average 200APM, which is by no means high. However, I feel that my setup is correct for me personally. Make very high use of the Shift+F2/F3/F4 keys; they typically lead to your macro zerg harass being IMBA. I use F2 in the middle of the map where I gather all my units, F3 and the enemy's choke, and F4 at my tech items (main base / evolution chambers). By the way, I just turned 21 and I am hammered while writing this... so... Happy birthday to me! :-D | ||
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Johnnybegood2night
Germany31 Posts
I'll start now to play more ICCup, in general B.net Europe my stats are like 200-60 My APM is at the Moment about 150-190 depends on the lenght of game. I do know many Tactics also watched tonns of Progame Videos. Also I'll now try to use F2 F3 F4 too, cause never did that : O | ||
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Rain...
United States201 Posts
Brood War players are commenting on Starcraft 2 terms wit NO idea what the thread is talking about No disrespect to BW players. edit: actually the original thread shouldnt be in the brood war section | ||
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limonovich
England226 Posts
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lynx.oblige
Sierra Leone2268 Posts
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LRM)TechnicS
Bulgaria1565 Posts
When I start the game I use 4 for the first hatchery 2 for the first ovie 3 for the 2nd one as soon as i have vision (whether i have it with the 1st ovie or later) on my natural expo i mark it as F3 5 for 2nd hatch 6 for 3rd hatch (if ZvP i immediately mark my 3rd expo with F2) Early in the game I use 4,5,6 to produce faster drones/army. The army i have is usually groupped in 1,2,3 (when having mutas they are on hotkey 1, when having lurkers they are on hotkey 2) Mid to late game i start using F4,F3,F2 more because: in zvz i tend to hotkey 12 scourges at say 3, 10 at 4, 8 at 5 and so on in zvp i have shitloads of army so i cant really afford not using 4,5,6 when doing surrounding attacks in zvt at some point i start using hotkey 4,5 for various units (lings, defilers, scourges) all the time and then get lazy to rehotkey my hatcheries. Generally i dont use 7-0 for else than army. I dont think i can stretch my fingers of the left hand fast and precise enough to pump army that way. And I also feel my army and game insecure when raising my right hand from the mouse to reach the keyboard for 7-0 :D So i just stay with the F usage :D edit: sometimes i use hotkey 1 for one larva or drone at a time to optimise mineral mining efficiency ;D | ||
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dRaW
Canada5744 Posts
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Ricjames
Czech Republic1047 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Ahh i felt like i have to write something in this thread eventhough i almost don't play zerg. I can only recommend when massing units from more hatcheries at one place, ctrl select all larvae and click letter of the unit = 2 clicks. 4 sh 5 sh 6sh = 9 clicks | ||
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Janex
Philippines23 Posts
but is this weird? I find it comfortable anyways early game: 1 - hatchery 5 and 0 - scout overlord ==> (for big maps - I change 5 to scouting drone) 5 again for first set of lings mid-late game: MACRO: 1234 - main hatcheries for each expansion ( hatcheries built close to each other does not count since I can use my mouse to macro ) screensave F2-F3-F4 for other expos MICRO: 5-0 units ==> 5-6-7-8 - for Frontline units eg. lings/ultras/hydras/(when muta harrassing I do 7) sometimes changes 8 - 9 for lurkers 9/0 - Defilers/Drop Ovies 5a6a7a8a9a0a or such 8u9w9g9c0u is ok to me now, got used to it anyway EDIT: I learned how to use my thumb | ||
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lyAsakura
United States1414 Posts
On December 03 2010 18:15 Rain... wrote: Wow this the replies on this thread is sooooooooo funny LOL Brood War players are commenting on Starcraft 2 terms wit NO idea what the thread is talking about No disrespect to BW players. edit: actually the original thread shouldnt be in the brood war section Wow dude, you have it completely backwards. | ||
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Finskie
Sweden412 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
5-9, F2/F3/F4 Hatcheries. 0 I use for stuff like scourge or maybe defilers. Often swap hatcheries for units in lategame, but not sure how good it is. | ||
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Servius_Fulvius
United States947 Posts
On November 29 2010 04:41 GenesisX wrote: ~2300 Diamond Zerg here. I personally use: 1 - First scouting drone -> Army 2 - First scouting overlord ->Mutalisks 3 - Defense drone (from pylon blocks and such) -> Overseer 4 - Nothing.. 5-9 - Separate base hatches, 5 being main. 0 - All hatches, for pumping out units faster. You'll notice I don't have a hotkey for queens. I realize this is bad, but since I check my base every 1 or 2 seconds, I can inject anytime I don't see green bubbles on my hatcheries. Hope this helps. LAWL! Personally I find it disadvantageous to ensnare my drone line, but it's also fun to attack a huge army with my dozen queens. They quickly become 24 broodlings. At that point any self-respecting player realizes that shit just got real! I can only imagine the look on my opponents face when they have to guard their ramp from a swarm of Broodlings... 1). First Overlord/Scouting Drone/Mutalisk/Lurkers/Army 2). First Overlord after scouting drone takes over (1)/army 3). Army 4). Defilers/army 5).->0). Hatcheries F2). Main Base F3). Natural/Fourth Base/All even bases thereafter F4). Third Base/Fifth Base/All odd bases thereafter | ||
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United States10328 Posts
On November 29 2010 14:29 synapse wrote: 1-4 Army 5 Scout -> Army 6 Scout (ovie) -> Nydus worm 7 Main Hatch 8-9 Other Hatches 0 All Hatches EDIT: 7 Main Hatch is an old habit that I never got rid of... I used to use 7 as my main CC in BW, then kept that when I switched to Zerg (in BW). lol oops! | ||
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Endymion
United States3701 Posts
On November 29 2010 04:41 GenesisX wrote: ~2300 Diamond Zerg here. I personally use: 1 - First scouting drone -> Army 2 - First scouting overlord ->Mutalisks 3 - Defense drone (from pylon blocks and such) -> Overseer 4 - Nothing.. 5-9 - Separate base hatches, 5 being main. 0 - All hatches, for pumping out units faster. You'll notice I don't have a hotkey for queens. I realize this is bad, but since I check my base every 1 or 2 seconds, I can inject anytime I don't see green bubbles on my hatcheries. Hope this helps. EDIT: LOL Exact same as me, except for the "0" key, 2400 z here Wait.. the is a BW thread.. 1-5 Army, 4,5 usually being defilers and scourge 6-0 hatches 0 centering on my macro hatches C level Z here | ||
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HitoriTomoyo
Canada264 Posts
5sz6sz7sz8sz9sz0sz1a2a3a4a? | ||
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Romantic
United States1844 Posts
2-0 - Hatcheries Sometimes I use 2 for units. | ||
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Mobius
Canada1268 Posts
when i came up with it i was doing all zvp hydra builds ahah so it was just like 0sh9sh8sh7sh6sh 1a2a3a4a5a (macro with 2hands) | ||
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puppykiller
United States3137 Posts
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lIlIlIlIlIlI
Korea (South)3851 Posts
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