Rumors circulating in Korean E-Sports scene - Page 23

On October 13 2010 23:31 Hyperionnn wrote:
I dont believe that how fans of sc are so ignorant

Heres facts:
1-A lot of pros switching to sc2 already (even #3 player (effort) with quite good contract (it should be good right)) and legends like boxer and nada already qualified for GSL
2- 2 teams have already disbanded, 3rd team on the way, lots of coaches retiring, switching to sc2, working on founding new teams on sc2 and there is no goddamn b-teamer coming on because it is too fucking hard to get any good on sc2 (See point 5)
3-Only 1 individual league instead of usual 2 will be played and it is not certain that there will be a proleague
4-Kespa has no goddamn choice on sc2 because with bnet 2.0, it takes 1 sec to ban players, who play for any other league but gsl and blizzard can sue them making money on their game and shut down kespa too
5-Cool has just won 85k$ and it takes like 1 month of intensive training to qualify for a shot of that money instead of 1 year hardcore training and still got raped. Which one would you choose?
6-And dont fucking say that kespa is good at all. Last year we all remember that what happened to JD and his free agency stuff, (Kespa basically said retire or play with oz, its your choice) yeah kespa is fucking good lol.
7-And OGN is about to get an agreeement with blizzard too so i dont think that demands of blizzard are too harsh and mbc basically said gtfo to blizzard so blizzard has right to say gtfo to mbc imo

On October 13 2010 22:59 Valikyr wrote:

Have you even played SC2 lol? I guess Boxer and NaDa gave up their salaries on their teams to play SC2 with no certain income just because they think the game is so mediocre.

SC2 might not be as great as SCBW yet, but it's so new and not at all figured out yet. I'm having a blast playing it nevertheless and lots of others are aswell. SC2 could definitely hold long term, not saying it will because noone knows that and that includes you.

SC2 is great, SCBW is great but SC2 is the new thing and for your own sake you should learn to love it because SCBW has been declining for the last years. SC2 is kind of the final nail in the coffin it seems even though that obviously is very sad.

You starcraft conservatives should stop boycotting SC2 because it will hurt none but yourselves.

On October 13 2010 23:47 konadora wrote:

just my views on your points

1) name me some other players other than effort who have a) performed decently in proleague/individual leagues b) made frequent appearances c) isn't an old time veteran (referring to players like IntoTheRainbow, Boxer, Nada, etc) d) isn't a b-teamer/practice partner who have moved on to SC2
2) with a new frontier, this is only natural. this however does not point to brood war as being completely "dead"
3) proleague is stated to resume, though negotiations may not have been settled. this is still an ongoing case.
4) i don't see the relevance of this point
5) good point which people will have to agree. however, i feel that once the better players start dominating real hard after a few seasons/years, the same scenario that happens in BW (what happens to B-teamers) will also happen in SC2.
6) kespa screwed up many times, yes. but it is because of kespa that everything has gone more or less smoothly since its foundation. yes, they can be dickheads at times but they learn every time (example: not "gg" = DQ), and they get shit going and done in the end.
7) i don't know about MBC's stand so i have nothing to say here.

but i still fail to see why all these add up to ultimately giving you "concrete" evidence that "bw scene is dead".

have all sponsors pulled out?
have fans abandoned all the stadiums?
are the taek-bang-lee-ssang and other well-known players quitting anytime tmr?
have the passion for the game been completely lost?

On October 13 2010 23:47 konadora wrote:

just my views on your points

1) name me some other players other than effort who have a) performed decently in proleague/individual leagues b) made frequent appearances c) isn't an old time veteran (referring to players like IntoTheRainbow, Boxer, Nada, etc) d) isn't a b-teamer/practice partner who have moved on to SC2
2) with a new frontier, this is only natural. this however does not point to brood war as being completely "dead"
3) proleague is stated to resume, though negotiations may not have been settled. this is still an ongoing case.
4) i don't see the relevance of this point
5) good point which people will have to agree. however, i feel that once the better players start dominating real hard after a few seasons/years, the same scenario that happens in BW (what happens to B-teamers) will also happen in SC2.
6) kespa screwed up many times, yes. but it is because of kespa that everything has gone more or less smoothly since its foundation. yes, they can be dickheads at times but they learn every time (example: not "gg" = DQ), and they get shit going and done in the end.
7) i don't know about MBC's stand so i have nothing to say here.

but i still fail to see why all these add up to ultimately giving you "concrete" evidence that "bw scene is dead".

have all sponsors pulled out?
have fans abandoned all the stadiums?
are the taek-bang-lee-ssang and other well-known players quitting anytime tmr?
have the passion for the game been completely lost?

On October 13 2010 09:13 TheYango wrote:

And despite all of that, Proleague/Starleague finals attendances are still a mere shadow of their 2004-2006 numbers.

Even though we might see these things as great, they aren't great enough to keep the spectator base from shrinking.

On October 14 2010 01:21 Garaman wrote:


who cares about attendence. is the viewers on TV still high? that is where they make their money, through advertisement.
attendence is just free for show. it's not like new players can garner the crowds fan favorites like boxer, savior, yellow, nada, oov could

On October 14 2010 01:21 Garaman wrote:
who cares about attendence. is the viewers on TV still high? that is where they make their money, through advertisement.
attendence is just free for show. it's not like new players can garner the crowds fan favorites like boxer, savior, yellow, nada, oov could

On October 14 2010 01:52 PanzerDragoon wrote:
lmao at all the crying in this thread and blizzard bashing

On October 14 2010 01:56 Azzur wrote:
I love SC:BW and enjoyed all the years watching it. I was amazed at the evolution of strategy / styles / builds for a 10-year old game. I was astounded by the skill, precision and timings of how the pros play. For me, there probably would not be another game like Brood War.

However, I've switched over completely to SC2. It's just newer, fresher and more exciting for me. I for one am sad at the decline of BW but I do welcome it. This is so that all the best players will switch to the game I'm currently watching (SC2). I want the best players to play it so that strategies can just be refined as BW was.

) name me some other players other than effort who have a) performed decently in proleague/individual leagues b) made frequent appearances c) isn't an old time veteran (referring to players like IntoTheRainbow, Boxer, Nada, etc) d) isn't a b-teamer/practice partner who have moved on to SC2

On October 13 2010 23:43 SirKibbleX wrote:
I'm all for IP rights and honestly side with Blizzard on all this. But I have one huge problem and I guess I can completely understand why everyone is so pissed.

There is a reason why SC2 needs to die and BW needs to survive. For eSports to ever be considered 'evergreen' and not just this constantly-in-flux scene full of fads and hype-with-little-substance there need to be games that do not significantly change with time.

Think about it: millions of people turn on the TV to watch Baseball, Football, and Tennis. These games have not changed in hundreds of years and are highly respected. Chess is a very prestigious and technically complex game that is in many ways very similar to Starcraft, but one big difference is that Chess been around in more or less its current form for nearly a thousand years.

People want to be able to compare the Baseball stars of today to those of 50 years ago. People are still interested to see how their team or favorite pitcher will do against the other guys. And the game hasn't changed at all. Why can this be true of other games and not of Brood War?

Maybe we're wrong to think a single video game, or any game or sport anymore, could possibly be respected enough to be played for a thousand years, or even 100 or 50 or 10. Perhaps its just a question of tempo and 'who gets there first'. But I believe if gamers ever want to prove that gameplay and substance can trump shiny graphics and hype, this is where they ought to make their stand. If gamers want to ever earn the respect of the masses, there needs to be an establishment and tradition. And that cannot come if gamers keep cycling to a new game every few years.

The manager however said that the new challenge will not be Starcraft 2. "It's not a decision he has made to play a different game", commenting that "He retired because he thought that he wouldn't be able to try anything else when he gets older. He'll probably start by catching up on his studying"