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On October 08 2010 11:34 Cotonou wrote:
Sigh.
Blizzard doesn't need Korea or KeSPA. They have something much better -- money. All they have to do is keep putting up prize pools that dwarf that of the MSL and OSL and the Flash and Jaedongs of the world will stampede to join up. And -- as a bonus -- participation in the GSL won't preclude participation in any other events, unlike the KeSPA "we own our players" model.
So long as Blizzard is willing to put out the cash, which can be seen as an extension of the SC2 marketing budget, they can hold the tournaments in Somalia and it'll still draw both top talent and broadcasters.
There's one giant thing you're missing here. NO ONE in Somalia will show up to watch a Starcraft or any kind of game event. Only this will work in Korea. No other country in the world will have 10000 people show up to watch a video game.
Also, to all the people that are complaining about ip rights, you don't see the EPL or La Liga paying fees to the guy that created futbol do you?
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Blizzard doesn't need Korea or KeSPA. They have something much better -- money.
LOL.
If anything KeSPA has the money.
You realize that all those progamers wearing clothes with fancy logos are paid regular salaries, train in sponsored hause, eat sponsored food and travel by sponsored means ?
Also there are a lot of major tournaments in a year, all with decent prizes. Comparing to all this money in GSL is a joke, not even a joke. It's like completely different planet.
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On October 08 2010 08:10 zeppelin wrote:
this is why tae kwon do was devised 800 years ago. to kick mike morhaime off his high horse
I just wanted to say, this was the best line ever in this thread and under appreciated. =)
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On October 08 2010 11:55 rasers wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2010 11:34 Cotonou wrote:
Sigh.
Blizzard doesn't need Korea or KeSPA. They have something much better -- money. All they have to do is keep putting up prize pools that dwarf that of the MSL and OSL and the Flash and Jaedongs of the world will stampede to join up. And -- as a bonus -- participation in the GSL won't preclude participation in any other events, unlike the KeSPA "we own our players" model.
So long as Blizzard is willing to put out the cash, which can be seen as an extension of the SC2 marketing budget, they can hold the tournaments in Somalia and it'll still draw both top talent and broadcasters. SCII guys... dont even know what they are talking about  Pretty sure prize money is the reason why Flash and Jaedong play SC:BW not because the salary not because of the fame and stuff. no because of Prize money they MIGHT win if they crush the tournament and yes they need korea. no one outside of korea would even think about broadcasting some "nerd"game these days... mb in 10-20 years when "we" are the old ones... if the ydont have korea SCII will be another Wc3. tournaments until the new game is annoucned.
rofl
the salary of flash alone is more than 3 GSL prize moneys
there is money in OSL and MSL, and due to the fact that flash and jaedong is almsot guaranteed to hit the money (1st/2nd place), why would they switch?
the top players are making somewhere around 200-300k a year in salary alone... not to mention free transportation, free food, free housing... why would ANY GOOD BW player switch over to SC2, where there is no free housing, you must pay for your own food, there is no salaray, no guaranteed money, the tourneys aren't guranteed...
blizzard won't keep putting in cash, especially if GSL is held out of the country.
there is no money in advertiisement, nobody watches e-sports like ppl in south korea.
if anything... blizzard doesn't need korea due to sales of sc2 being good.
however, if they ever want anything approaching close to BW achieved, they need korea
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I dont understand this guys. I mean, up until now, everybody outside of korea hated kespa???
Now you think blizzard is the worse of the two evils? Not me. Even though Im very displeased with blizzard, and yes I have some preconcieved ideas about dustin browder coming over from C&C, I still dislike kespa faaar more than blizzard. So, in my eyes, go blizzard. Kick some ass!
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On October 08 2010 13:22 DyEnasTy wrote:
I dont understand this guys. I mean, up until now, everybody outside of korea hated kespa???
Now you think blizzard is the worse of the two evils? Not me. Even though Im very displeased with blizzard, and yes I have some preconcieved ideas about dustin browder coming over from C&C, I still dislike kespa faaar more than blizzard. So, in my eyes, go blizzard. Kick some ass!
Looks like you really hate the existence of E-Sports. Take off your KT Rolster tag and leave BW forums immediately! Sir.
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On October 08 2010 13:26 zenMaster wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2010 13:22 DyEnasTy wrote:
I dont understand this guys. I mean, up until now, everybody outside of korea hated kespa???
Now you think blizzard is the worse of the two evils? Not me. Even though Im very displeased with blizzard, and yes I have some preconcieved ideas about dustin browder coming over from C&C, I still dislike kespa faaar more than blizzard. So, in my eyes, go blizzard. Kick some ass! Looks like you really hate the existence of E-Sports. Take off your KT Rolster tag and leave BW forums immediately! Sir.
amen
blizzard is against all things e-sports
they want to bring back the pro scene to back to 1999/2000 era... no salaries... no teams... all a few tourneys that comprise of the whole scene.
GO KOREA, KEEP MY FAVORITE GAME ALIVE!
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If Korea loses this, E-Sports dies.
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On October 08 2010 14:08 Diminotoor wrote:
If Korea loses this, E-Sports dies.
Yeah,that's not gonna happen since blizzard is afraid(terrified actually)of their fans.
Korea can beat blizzard any day and blizzard knows that....hopefully like MM's letter says they will continue to negotiate with the government and I hope they keep a pleasant tone next time
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On October 08 2010 13:36 Garaman wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2010 13:26 zenMaster wrote:On October 08 2010 13:22 DyEnasTy wrote:
I dont understand this guys. I mean, up until now, everybody outside of korea hated kespa???
Now you think blizzard is the worse of the two evils? Not me. Even though Im very displeased with blizzard, and yes I have some preconcieved ideas about dustin browder coming over from C&C, I still dislike kespa faaar more than blizzard. So, in my eyes, go blizzard. Kick some ass! Looks like you really hate the existence of E-Sports. Take off your KT Rolster tag and leave BW forums immediately! Sir. amen blizzard is against all things e-sports they want to bring back the pro scene to back to 1999/2000 era... no salaries... no teams... all a few tourneys that comprise of the whole scene. GO KOREA, KEEP MY FAVORITE GAME ALIVE!
Let's try not to get too spiteful here. There's plenty of topics about SC2 and Blizzard bashing already, the topic here is based on a quoted but no longer existing blog post. Not the foundation with which to go on an ostracization campaign.
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On October 08 2010 12:36 sAAvior wrote:Show nested quote +Blizzard doesn't need Korea or KeSPA. They have something much better -- money. LOL. If anything KeSPA has the money. You realize that all those progamers wearing clothes with fancy logos are paid regular salaries, train in sponsored hause, eat sponsored food and travel by sponsored means ? Also there are a lot of major tournaments in a year, all with decent prizes. Comparing to all this money in GSL is a joke, not even a joke. It's like completely different planet.
i just want to clarify that Kespa doesn't have shit.
It's the corporations in Korea that keeps pouring down the $$$ upon professional starcraft, and I'm pretty sure that Samsung, Hite, Oz, KTF, SK Telecom, and CJ has a more money combined than Activision Blizzard. And as long as Starcraft still have enough popularity in Korea (and elsewhere in the world) that investing in a team or sponsoring a league is still profitable, they will continue to do this. If you want to do this with SC2, then the game better be in a league of its own and be well known all over the world.
This is hard to be when you take in consideration that SCBW in itself was kind of a freak accident. Out of nowhere, a well-made game happens to be released during a time that a country (Korea) was becoming the most wired country in the world and is looking to show off its massive internet resources. Multiplayer spread like rampant, and from that foundation many Koreans players took the game in its infancy to what it is today. It took around 8 years.
Currently, SCII is rising fast in popularity as well, as you already see in the GSL. But its popularity as a professional e-sport game is only rising fast in Korea. Teamliquid and GGnet isn't the world, and chances are if you know about the GSL or proleague you already are a part of teamliquid or ggnet anyway, unless you're korean and you're too gosu to go here. SCII still needs star players to shine down their brilliance upon the game and show that it's a viable game for e-sport. And it takes time. If you take the professional scene of the game, in its infancy, away from a country that has shown the best growth in E-sport for almost a decade and field the best players in the genre right now, you are going to drown it in a pool of other big-name mmo that are already established in the foreign gaming scene. And then SCII will be too weak to warrant any serious sponsorship and that's gonna be it.
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On October 08 2010 13:03 KissBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2010 08:10 zeppelin wrote:
this is why tae kwon do was devised 800 years ago. to kick mike morhaime off his high horse I just wanted to say, this was the best line ever in this thread and under appreciated. =)
I cant appreciate it given the fact that taekwondo isnt even a 100 years old ;/
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I used to think that BW fans > SC2 in intellect and ability to have well argumented debates. Now Im not so sure. So many baseless accusations.
First of all, this whole debacle is based on blog post that has since been deleted. That blog post was based on one guys side of the story then rewritten as it was interpreted and THEN TRANSLATED. We might as well know nothing.
Second of all, Blizzard doesnt hate esports. It looooooooooooooves it. Why? Succesful esports = money. Esports is the only thing that made Starcraft so succesful. And theyre trying their hardest to make sc2 a succesful esports. Companies dont do anything out of spite, unless it benefits them and then it isnt even out of spite anymore. If having a healthy bw scene benefits Blizzard more than what it takes away from SC2 then by all means, theyll welcome it. As of right now, it doesnt and you cant reasonably expect anything else than them trying to fix that.
Comparing IP rights of sports to SC is idiotic at best. Sports are concepts, not tangible products. Their creators have mostly been dead for 100+ years. Individuals hold theyre rights to IP generally for 50 years after their death. They also didnt reserve their right to it. Where as SC has music, game engine, stories, images etc. None of you would disputy the IP rights to these if theyd be sold or used individually. But suddenly, if you package them, those rights dissappear.
Lastly, BW is breaking down from bottom up. Quoting how much Flash makes money isnt relevant. What is relevant is how much people out of the top 10 are making. Think of the bw scene as a house of cards. Take out the bottom, and it comes crashing down, take out the top and it stays up. Other players dont need Flash, but Flash needs them. Otherwise, who is he going to play against? In 2011 GSL will have 32 Code S players and 64 Code A players and a 2 million dollar prize pool for the year. SC2 evens out the playing field, others actually might have a chance and I bet SC2 is looking mighty good for all those B-Teamers and "bad" A-teamers...
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On October 08 2010 18:53 bRuTaL!! wrote:
Second of all, Blizzard doesnt hate esports. It looooooooooooooves it. Why? Succesful esports = money.
e-sports =/= money, WoW = money.
If you give the producer of the game the complete control of the scene they can just shut it down to promote a new game. This is what they are doing to SC:BW now. But do we know that SCII is really a good game for e-sports? It will maybe be figured out in a year. So instead of having a naturally evolving pro scene, it is basically being used as a way of advertising the companys latest product. Blizzard doesn't give a damn about the entertainmant value of e-sports as long as it makes people buy the new game.
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On October 08 2010 19:15 Elroi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2010 18:53 bRuTaL!! wrote:
Second of all, Blizzard doesnt hate esports. It looooooooooooooves it. Why? Succesful esports = money. e-sports =/= money, WoW = money. If you give the producer of the game the complete control of the scene they can just shut it down to promote a new game. This is what they are doing to SC:BW now. But do we know that SCII is really a good game for e-sports? It will maybe be figured out in a year. So instead of having a naturally evolving pro scene, it is basically being used as a way of advertising the companys latest product. Blizzard doesn't give a damn about the entertainmant value of e-sports as long as it makes people buy the new game.
Too bad most people have trouble realizing this. It's astonishing how many people are willfully ignorant to how things are.
Some people want to believe blizzard cares deeply about esports and is a completely honest company that only cares about it's fans, because that sorta belief is more pleasant for them to endure.
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On October 08 2010 19:15 Elroi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2010 18:53 bRuTaL!! wrote:
Second of all, Blizzard doesnt hate esports. It looooooooooooooves it. Why? Succesful esports = money. e-sports =/= money, WoW = money. If you give the producer of the game the complete control of the scene they can just shut it down to promote a new game. This is what they are doing to SC:BW now. But do we know that SCII is really a good game for e-sports? It will maybe be figured out in a year. So instead of having a naturally evolving pro scene, it is basically being used as a way of advertising the companys latest product. Blizzard doesn't give a damn about the entertainmant value of e-sports as long as it makes people buy the new game.
Well esports sells games, selling games = money so Id say esports = money. And Blizzard gives a big damn about esports entertainment value because again, that will make them money. But "unfortunately" they also have to make game that is fun for those that dont follow or care about esports. A bit like in WoW, changes in PvP changed PvE and Blizzard had to make both work as well as possible.
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On October 08 2010 19:34 bRuTaL!! wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2010 19:15 Elroi wrote:On October 08 2010 18:53 bRuTaL!! wrote:
Second of all, Blizzard doesnt hate esports. It looooooooooooooves it. Why? Succesful esports = money. e-sports =/= money, WoW = money. If you give the producer of the game the complete control of the scene they can just shut it down to promote a new game. This is what they are doing to SC:BW now. But do we know that SCII is really a good game for e-sports? It will maybe be figured out in a year. So instead of having a naturally evolving pro scene, it is basically being used as a way of advertising the companys latest product. Blizzard doesn't give a damn about the entertainmant value of e-sports as long as it makes people buy the new game. Well esports sells games, selling games = money so Id say esports = money. And Blizzard gives a big damn about esports entertainment value because again, that will make them money. But "unfortunately" they also have to make game that is fun for those that dont follow or care about esports. A bit like in WoW, changes in PvP changed PvE and Blizzard had to make both work as well as possible.
so, you try to argue, that if they murder SC1 PL, they will help in developement of e-sport at all?
You must be kidding.
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On October 08 2010 19:45 hitthat wrote:
so, you try to argue, that if they murder SC1 PL, they will help in developement of e-sport at all?
You must be kidding.
Like I said previously: " If having a healthy bw scene benefits Blizzard more than what it takes away from SC2 then by all means, theyll welcome it. As of right now, it doesnt and you cant reasonably expect anything else than them trying to fix that."
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On October 08 2010 19:47 bRuTaL!! wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2010 19:45 hitthat wrote:
so, you try to argue, that if they murder SC1 PL, they will help in developement of e-sport at all?
You must be kidding. Like I said previously: " If having a healthy bw scene benefits Blizzard more than what it takes away from SC2 then by all means, theyll welcome it. As of right now, it doesnt and you cant reasonably expect anything else than them trying to fix that."
If you think that the only thing that should exist is that which brings the biggest profit for Blizzard, then I don't think this is the place for you.
E-sports is not a cash cow to milk but rather a part of Korean culture.
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