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mofuli
Profile Joined October 2010
164 Posts
October 07 2010 20:38 GMT
#221
I simply can't understand this. If I created a game rep. Why the IR did not belong to me? When you look a rep, do you say"OH, the CC is beautiful" or "I simply enjoy zergling runing"? No, we are not looking at the game engine but rather the tactics, the micro, the suspense all created by the player. So it's nothing like a book or a movie, there is nothing worth looking without players creative work. I'd say the player would more deverse the IR for the rep than some bussiness guys. I know little about bussiness laws. Can anyone enlighten me whether there's any protection for individual IR against greedy companies?
Magnamus
Profile Joined September 2010
United States23 Posts
October 07 2010 20:41 GMT
#222
On October 08 2010 02:53 hydraden wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2010 02:36 andrewlt wrote:
On October 08 2010 02:25 hydraden wrote:
On October 08 2010 02:20 andrewlt wrote:
On October 08 2010 02:12 TheGreatHegemon wrote:
On October 08 2010 02:08 andrewlt wrote:
On October 07 2010 23:00 TheGreatHegemon wrote:
On October 07 2010 22:06 0neder wrote:
Well, Morhaime is right, and Kespa should acknowledge the law/rules, but they don't, so we have to deal with it as is.


[Cite your source]
This seems to be an argument over derivative goods, isn't it? I am not a lawyer, but those were traditionally NOT under the original IP. Are all images made in Adobe Photoshop property of Adobe?



Can people stop this nonsense? This garbage argument keeps getting repeated on these forums. It was already explained a few pages back that there is a huge difference between utilitarian products and other stuff.


Which page?



Page 5, by Lokian.

Is he an IP right lawyer?
If not, it's just one person's opinion, he can be totally wrong, who give it a crap.



He's right. I took a few business law classes as well. The analogies of BW to products like Adobe Photoshop and typewriters are just completely ignorant. There is a huge distinction between products used to make other products and products like movies, books, etc.

You don't even need to be an IP rights lawyer. Just have some basic knowledge of the law before making unfounded analogies...


Don't assume everybody is dumb, I took Business law classes too. This issue has no precedent, and no specific law on this area. If it goes to court, both party have good arguments. It can drag for years to settle. Million dollar lawyers can't even settle it clearly, you a student wants to be the judge, joke!


this thread has degenerated into a pissing contest
omg carriers alt-f4
Phrujbaz
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Netherlands512 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-07 20:46:13
October 07 2010 20:46 GMT
#223
Since ILoveANAL, I cannot say anything as to what the law actually is and what actually is legal/illegal.

What I can say, however, is that granting the video game company rights over tournament broadcasts at best does not help the scene. I know the broadcast would include artwork and intellectual property owned by the video game company, but please, think of the kittens!
Caution! Future approaching rapidly at a rate of about 60 seconds per minute.
dukethegold
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada5645 Posts
October 07 2010 20:54 GMT
#224
Is GSL going oversea even remotely viable? O__o

What the hell is Blizzard trying to accomplish?
Chimpalimp
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1135 Posts
October 07 2010 21:00 GMT
#225
Thnx for translating. If this is fact, blizz. definately has something to learn about running a good business. You don't ever treat a political representative of another country like shit, idiots.
I like money. You like money too? We should hang out.
fabiano
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Brazil4644 Posts
October 07 2010 21:04 GMT
#226
If GSL leaves Korea, SC2 is bound to be a failure.
"When the geyser died, a probe came out" - SirJolt
mmdmmd
Profile Joined June 2007
722 Posts
October 07 2010 21:09 GMT
#227
Why won't Blizz just sponsor their own PL team?

Imagine they rivalry/buzz it will generate if they put that PL team into BW. KT vs Blizz will be PERSONAL!
kineSiS-
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Korea (South)1068 Posts
October 07 2010 21:11 GMT
#228
On October 07 2010 15:23 GTR wrote:
Remember it's Activision-Blizzard vs Korea, not just Blizzard, so this will be interesting ;d


No, it won't be. -_- That fact that you even consider this light-heartedly is disrespectful at minimum. The vicissitudes of the ActivisionBlizzard and KESPA relation ship is not a topic to consider light-heartedly.
TheAngelofDeath
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2033 Posts
October 07 2010 21:26 GMT
#229
Korea vs. Blizzard eh? Lol. Fun times.
"Infestors are the suck" - LzGamer
us.insurgency
Profile Joined March 2010
United States330 Posts
October 07 2010 21:48 GMT
#230
On October 07 2010 15:18 Selith wrote:
Bad news for Korea:
http://www.clubcity.kr/news/articleView.html?idxno=64339

In addition to Michael Morhaime, in attendance were: Members of USA FTA agency, as well as US embassy.

If it did go down as bad as the eyewitness says it were, it might cause very negative impact in upcoming USA FTA policy as well as relations with USA. Since Korean government is very pro-USA and would do anything to be on good side with them, they might find themselves to be between a rock and a hard place, as they must find a way to appease both Korean chae-bols and interests of USA.

Sorry but in no way will a game get in the way of our relationship. There would be no South Korea if the US wouldn`t be there to back them up against North Korea.
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
October 07 2010 23:02 GMT
#231
I don't get how KESPA thinks they can use copyrighted Blizzard assets on TV seven days a week without approval. Obviously the US should be backing up Blizzard in this.
hydraden
Profile Joined April 2010
United States719 Posts
October 07 2010 23:08 GMT
#232
On October 08 2010 08:02 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
I don't get how KESPA thinks they can use copyrighted Blizzard assets on TV seven days a week without approval. Obviously the US should be backing up Blizzard in this.


That's not copyright, KeSPA did not copy anything.
zeppelin
Profile Joined December 2007
United States565 Posts
October 07 2010 23:10 GMT
#233
this is why tae kwon do was devised 800 years ago. to kick mike morhaime off his high horse
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-07 23:21:29
October 07 2010 23:13 GMT
#234
On October 08 2010 08:08 hydraden wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2010 08:02 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
I don't get how KESPA thinks they can use copyrighted Blizzard assets on TV seven days a week without approval. Obviously the US should be backing up Blizzard in this.


That's not copyright, KeSPA did not copy anything.

They are using copyrighted Blizzard music, pictures, characters, voice acting, and lots more in for-profit broadcasting. You couldn't just take a Beatles song and put it in your commercial without paying, why should a Blizzard song be any different because it's in a video game? Or why should a video game be any different when it takes much more work to make one than to make a rock album?

If KESPA doesn't want to pay Blizzard, all they have to do is develop their own RTS game and have their talented players play that instead. They are better at making maps than Blizzard, so why not make an RTS? If they can't make their own RTS game, it just goes to prove that they really need Blizzard and thus should be paying Blizzard for their work.
Tdelamay
Profile Joined October 2009
Canada548 Posts
October 07 2010 23:23 GMT
#235
Why do people think GSL will die if it goes elsewhere? Starcraft 2 has fans around the world :O
There's the MLG and the IEM - wouldn't it just be a bigger tournament for us, and it might also prove more appealing to western media. I think it would be better for us.
This road isn't leading anywhere...
PinkPrincess
Profile Joined July 2010
United States149 Posts
October 07 2010 23:39 GMT
#236
Yeah, sounds to me like Blizzard is perfectly legitimate here. I think most TLers just have a twisted sense of justice on this matter because they are relatively pro-piracy.

If they're not respecting intellectual property then they're not respecting intellectual property.
The attitude that social position matters at all "just a president of an ordinary company" is completely terrible and irrelevant.
Grumpity grump
crazeh
Profile Joined August 2010
91 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-07 23:41:07
October 07 2010 23:39 GMT
#237
If Kespa are against Blizzard charging them to broadcast Starcaft then how is that Kespa charged MBC and OGN for years for the broadcasting rights to Starcraft? Why have OGN and MBC had to buy broadcasting rights for Starcraft if the game is public property? What rights have Kespa been selling? Why does Kespa even exist as an authoritative figure in Korean Stacraft? They don't own the IP rights to the game, they don't pay the players (the teams sponsors/owners do right?) According to them anyone should be allowed to broadcast Starcraft free of charge in Korea correct?

hydraden
Profile Joined April 2010
United States719 Posts
October 07 2010 23:47 GMT
#238
On October 08 2010 08:39 crazeh wrote:
If Kespa are against Blizzard charging them to broadcast Starcaft then how is that Kespa charged MBC and OGN for years for the broadcasting rights to Starcraft? Why have OGN and MBC had to buy broadcasting rights for Starcraft if the game is public property? What rights have Kespa been selling? Why does Kespa even exist as an authoritative figure in Korean Stacraft? They don't own the IP rights to the game, they don't pay the players (the teams sponsors/owners do right?) According to them anyone should be allowed to broadcast Starcraft free of charge in Korea correct?



NBA is selling broadcast right to espn, TNT.
NBA is not somebody invented basketball, they just organize league.
KeSPA is in the same position as NBA.

moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-07 23:56:56
October 07 2010 23:48 GMT
#239
On October 08 2010 08:39 crazeh wrote:
If Kespa are against Blizzard charging them to broadcast Starcaft then how is that Kespa charged MBC and OGN for years for the broadcasting rights to Starcraft? Why have OGN and MBC had to buy broadcasting rights for Starcraft if the game is public property? What rights have Kespa been selling? Why does Kespa even exist as an authoritative figure in Korean Stacraft? They don't own the IP rights to the game, they don't pay the players (the teams sponsors/owners do right?) According to them anyone should be allowed to broadcast Starcraft free of charge in Korea correct?


KeSPA sold the rights to air its leagues. Also, depending on how you look at it, KeSPA is involved (remotely) in paying the players, since its made up of the team sponsors themselves. The money was charged since only OGN and MBC draw in direct revenue for their sponsoring (from selling ads during league events), while the rest of the sponsors do not. The revenue goes towards organizing further leagues, courage tournaments, etc.
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
palexhur
Profile Joined May 2010
Colombia730 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-07 23:52:07
October 07 2010 23:50 GMT
#240
On October 08 2010 08:39 crazeh wrote:
If Kespa are against Blizzard charging them to broadcast Starcaft then how is that Kespa charged MBC and OGN for years for the broadcasting rights to Starcraft? Why have OGN and MBC had to buy broadcasting rights for Starcraft if the game is public property? What rights have Kespa been selling? Why does Kespa even exist as an authoritative figure in Korean Stacraft? They don't own the IP rights to the game, they don't pay the players (the teams sponsors/owners do right?) According to them anyone should be allowed to broadcast Starcraft free of charge in Korea correct?



have you read something about this subject .. (maybe the OP)?, Kespa offered a sum of money to Blizz.
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