EPTBlizzard and Korean Government's negotiations sour - Page 13
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zenMaster
Canada761 Posts
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Pyrrhuloxia
United States6700 Posts
On October 08 2010 08:47 hydraden wrote: NBA is selling broadcast right to espn, TNT. NBA is not somebody invented basketball, they just organize league. KeSPA is in the same position as NBA. Yeah except Naismith (inventor of Basketball) didn't copyright "basket ball" as he called it. He hated it and preferred gymnastics and wrestling and said "You can't coach basketball; you just play it." Also, the game made by Naismith is hella different from what the NBA game is like. It's kinda like the difference between Dune II and Starcraft II. The NBA has done much to create their own game - it looks much different from international ball, for instance. Naismith didn't do any voice acting, or art design, or music, or word-for-word coding that the NBA uses. So it's a lot different from the NBA. | ||
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Pyrrhuloxia
United States6700 Posts
On October 08 2010 08:51 zenMaster wrote: Just keep telling yourself that Blizzard owns everything, anti-Kespa blizz fanboys. Obviously if everything did belong to Blizzard then Kespa would have been sued many times over, rather than being held up by an empty bluff because Blizzard has no leverage whatsoever. Blizzard was late to act, sure. In any case, they probably didn't have the resources to get understanding of and leverage in the Korean legal system until now. | ||
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crazeh
91 Posts
On October 08 2010 08:47 hydraden wrote: NBA is selling broadcast right to espn, TNT. NBA is not somebody invented basketball, they just organize league. KeSPA is in the same position as NBA. NBA don't have control over "basketball" in United States. Anyone can start their own basketball league. The NBA league is just by far the biggest. Kespa have control over not just specific leagues but Starcraft in general. Or perhaps another organisation could start their own Starcraft leagues without Kespa if they wanted to? I guess GOM did it with the GOM classics so it's not total control by Kespa. But isn't the OSL, the pro league and the MSL three different leagues? Why does Kespa control all of these? | ||
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Al Bundy
7257 Posts
Anyways politics are always there to mess and complicate things up so I'm not very surprised. By the way that conversation between MM and Vice Minister of Korean Department of Culture felt really... awkward. I won't question sources because nowadays some info is always better than no info at all. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/ZHiOj.png) | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
On October 08 2010 09:00 crazeh wrote: NBA don't have control over "basketball" in United States. Anyone can start their own basketball league. The NBA league is just by far the biggest. Kespa have control over not just specific leagues but Starcraft in general. Or perhaps another organisation could start their own Starcraft leagues without Kespa if they wanted to? I guess GOM did it with the GOM classics so it's not total control by Kespa. But isn't the OSL, the pro league and the MSL three different leagues? Why does Kespa control all of these? KeSPA owns the rights to its own leagues, thats what it leases out to the broadcasting networks, not Starcraft in general. OSL/MSL/SPL are all run under KeSPA and all use KeSPA licensed players, that's why KeSPA controls these. | ||
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crazeh
91 Posts
On October 08 2010 09:11 moopie wrote: KeSPA owns the rights to its own leagues, thats what it leases out to the broadcasting networks, not Starcraft in general. OSL/MSL/SPL are all run under KeSPA and all use KeSPA licensed players, that's why KeSPA controls these. How exactly did the OSL and MSL start? Did Kespa create them? or did OGN and MBC create them? | ||
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VManOfMana
United States764 Posts
On October 08 2010 08:39 PinkPrincess wrote: Yeah, sounds to me like Blizzard is perfectly legitimate here. I think most TLers just have a twisted sense of justice on this matter because they are relatively pro-piracy. If they're not respecting intellectual property then they're not respecting intellectual property. The attitude that social position matters at all "just a president of an ordinary company" is completely terrible and irrelevant. First, please get off your high horse. Second, please read the thread. this has been addressed several times. The problems started not because KeSPA doesn't want to pay Blizzard (or Gretech) over the SC2 IP. Thy have offered money multiple times What is a stake here is the terms under which this licensig happens. Blizzard claims that derivative work, by extension, is also theirs. Derivative work is the replays, new maps, all the footage created in the broadcast. This is what has no precedent. KeSPA licenses the right of transmitting the derivative work, not SC2 itself. And if Blizzard wins, it really opens the gate of companies abusing IP property claims. For example, in the Ultimate Gamer show, production licenses each game that is played, but not, and should not, have to license the footage result by the players interacting with the game. | ||
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RA
Latvia791 Posts
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Garaman
United States556 Posts
On October 07 2010 16:23 Selith wrote: With (mostly young) Korean people's general distrust of the government (then again, what nation's populace always trust their government?), they won't become mad at Blizzard just because of this particular news. Generally, netizens don't look favorably upon KeSPA now. Used to have lot more pro-KeSPA netizens few months ago. If this whole debacle falls in favor of KeSPA, all IP of secondary products such as e-sports shows, will not belong to the original creator (in this case, Blizzard). As a result, KeSPA can have free reign over SC 2 tournaments of their own, as well as broadcasts as they see fit without worrying about Blizzard or Gretech. If that happens, we all know Gretech is going to really die this time. koreans are already not happy with blizzard. they are trying to shut down blizzard, the one e-sport that they love above all else. netizens hate for kespa is trumped by blizzard being douchebags. i hope activision-blizzard loses. im glad im still boycotting sc2 even though most of my friends switched over. at this rate, i cant buy d3 | ||
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rasers
Sweden691 Posts
On October 08 2010 08:23 Tdelamay wrote: Why do people think GSL will die if it goes elsewhere? Starcraft 2 has fans around the world :O There's the MLG and the IEM - wouldn't it just be a bigger tournament for us, and it might also prove more appealing to western media. I think it would be better for us. :D gl finding a sponsor for such a league like the GSL overseas  and plz dont kid urself MLG and IEM is not even esport... | ||
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Garaman
United States556 Posts
On October 08 2010 06:48 us.insurgency wrote: Sorry but in no way will a game get in the way of our relationship. There would be no South Korea if the US wouldn`t be there to back them up against North Korea. you are right. if US and soviet union kept their dirty fucking hands off the region, there would be one united peninsula and no korean war to begin with. with the aftermath of WW2, and the splitting up territories for control/influence, both the USSR and USA set up puppet governments that are in support of the country that started it. the country's relations have nothing to do with the ailments of ONE gaming company, when millions more are at stake for trade and what not. fucking blizzard is out of their minds coming back to the original topic why should they own replays, broadcasts and what not WHEN EVERYONE HAS ALREADY PAYED FOR THE GAME AT HAND. its like buying photoshop and illustrator... and Adobe coming in and saying... "hey, u used our software to make something, hence the final product is OURS! NOT YOURS!" fuck blizzard and their greedy hands. | ||
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Garaman
United States556 Posts
On October 08 2010 09:37 rasers wrote: :D gl finding a sponsor for such a league like the GSL overseas and plz dont kid urself MLG and IEM is not even esport... only way GSL can support itself out of korea is if blizzard decides to pump large amounts of money into it, constantly. you ain't gonna find huge sponsors, it ain't gonna be on ESPN with company's paying for prime time advertisement. in korea, you can actually air it on TV with a good enough audience base to justify corporations to buy advertisement time. in the western world.... it just aint gonna happen. i hope GSL moves to the USA or europe... and i will love to watch it fail once blizzard loses interest after pumping in god knows how much money for broadcasting it, (nobody is gonna pay blizzard to broadcast sc2), supplying the huge cash prizes and other costs like setting up tourney venues, etc. | ||
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XsebT
Denmark2980 Posts
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ironchef
Canada1350 Posts
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Garaman
United States556 Posts
On October 08 2010 09:56 XsebT wrote: Bottom line, blizzard are some greedy motherfuckers. Even if they have justice om their side(which is something we can only wait and see), their respect as an esports company is long gone. remember their whole speech on esports promotion.... then they hit us with sc2 where you cant play with ppl from outside your region without buying another copy of the game... they hit you with maps that are obviously horrid with no variety besides short distances..... and they hit you with trying to shut down esports of bw in order to force ppl to sc2.... =( yeah they are greedy. yeah they dont care for esports... ugh damnn you blizzard. you used to be so good to usT___T i hope it's just activition's influence... but i'm afraid blizzard has joined the ranks of EA, activision, etc... just another greedy fucking company. | ||
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Cotonou
42 Posts
Blizzard doesn't need Korea or KeSPA. They have something much better -- money. All they have to do is keep putting up prize pools that dwarf that of the MSL and OSL and the Flash and Jaedongs of the world will stampede to join up. And -- as a bonus -- participation in the GSL won't preclude participation in any other events, unlike the KeSPA "we own our players" model. So long as Blizzard is willing to put out the cash, which can be seen as an extension of the SC2 marketing budget, they can hold the tournaments in Somalia and it'll still draw both top talent and broadcasters. | ||
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Cotonou
42 Posts
Blizzard doesn't need Korea or KeSPA. They have something much better -- money. All they have to do is keep putting up prize pools that dwarf that of the MSL and OSL and the Flash and Jaedongs of the world will stampede to join up. And -- as a bonus -- participation in the GSL won't preclude participation in any other events, unlike the KeSPA "we own our players" model. So long as Blizzard is willing to put out the cash, which can be seen as an extension of the SC2 marketing budget, they can hold the tournaments in Somalia and it'll still draw both top talent and broadcasters. | ||
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Lightningbullet
United States507 Posts
On October 07 2010 15:07 seRapH wrote: gogo korea! stuff gsl overseas please! and broodwar will liiiiive! + Show Spoiler + ok fine gsl will die miserably if it goes overseas. but AT LEAST BW WILL LIIIVE Heh, I totally agree. | ||
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The6357
United States1268 Posts
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