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hitthat
Poland2267 Posts
Oh wait, what i'm just saying? radioactive Lizzard is not the same company. | ||
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MangoTango
United States3670 Posts
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Tankbusta
United States109 Posts
On October 08 2010 01:30 sAAvior wrote: Yeah, especially when it comes to ignoring World Trade Organization rulling about online gambling. You're saying that as if it's just the US who ignores that. Regardless, gambling sites don't really affect trade. This issue, however, carries far more clout to it, as it relates to international IP rights. And keep in mind these IP rights relate to a multitude of multi-billion dollar genres. | ||
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urashimakt
United States1591 Posts
On October 07 2010 23:42 Milkis wrote: K, to clarify 1) Not an anonymous blogger -- the guy's a pretty famous blogger, and gets interviews with producers/operators of games quite often (he seems to be a game industry insider) 2) He deleted said account after people started linking to it and posting it everywhere 3) Not really snippets, but this is pretty much the entire post Just saying, don't just say "oh this is just a blog post so it isn't credible". I personally find it more credible than a lot of the stuff that gets posted on Fomos  Also, to people who says "It doesnt sound like MM", 1) it could easily be a paraphrase, 2) It's a English -> Korean -> Guy overhearing/remembering it -> Korean -> English translation so of course it wont be perfect. Few notes 1) Didn't know Blizzard had the kind of pull to even consider moving GSL from overseas (doesn't that tell you anything) 2) The Korean Minister was rather rude -- cultural context aside, that's not what you expect from a government official especially in Korea (even though MM "could have had it coming") I trust you completely, Milkis, but I trust sources only when they can be held responsible for what they output. One person, no matter who it is, paraphrasing in a blog and deleting said blog once he finds out people are using it as a source does not sound like he's willing to be responsible for what he writes. I'm still skeptical on 100% of the "article". | ||
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
On October 07 2010 23:00 TheGreatHegemon wrote: [Cite your source] This seems to be an argument over derivative goods, isn't it? I am not a lawyer, but those were traditionally NOT under the original IP. Are all images made in Adobe Photoshop property of Adobe? Can people stop this nonsense? This garbage argument keeps getting repeated on these forums. It was already explained a few pages back that there is a huge difference between utilitarian products and other stuff. | ||
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TheGreatHegemon
61 Posts
On October 08 2010 02:08 andrewlt wrote: Can people stop this nonsense? This garbage argument keeps getting repeated on these forums. It was already explained a few pages back that there is a huge difference between utilitarian products and other stuff. Which page? | ||
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
Page 5, by Lokian. | ||
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hydraden
United States719 Posts
Is he an IP right lawyer? If not, it's just one person's opinion, he can be totally wrong, who give it a crap. | ||
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darmousseh
United States3437 Posts
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
On October 08 2010 02:25 hydraden wrote: Is he an IP right lawyer? If not, it's just one person's opinion, he can be totally wrong, who give it a crap. He's right. I took a few business law classes as well. The analogies of BW to products like Adobe Photoshop and typewriters are just completely ignorant. There is a huge distinction between products used to make other products and products like movies, books, etc. You don't even need to be an IP rights lawyer. Just have some basic knowledge of the law before making unfounded analogies... | ||
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storm44
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Ricjames
Czech Republic1047 Posts
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hydraden
United States719 Posts
On October 08 2010 02:36 andrewlt wrote: He's right. I took a few business law classes as well. The analogies of BW to products like Adobe Photoshop and typewriters are just completely ignorant. There is a huge distinction between products used to make other products and products like movies, books, etc. You don't even need to be an IP rights lawyer. Just have some basic knowledge of the law before making unfounded analogies... Don't assume everybody is dumb, I took Business law classes too. This issue has no precedent, and no specific law on this area. If it goes to court, both party have good arguments. It can drag for years to settle. Million dollar lawyers can't even settle it clearly, you a student wants to be the judge, joke! | ||
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StarStruck
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ffreakk
Singapore2155 Posts
On October 08 2010 02:53 hydraden wrote: Don't assume everybody is dumb, I took Business law classes too. This issue has no precedent, and no specific law on this area. If it goes to court, both party have good arguments. It can drag for years to settle. Million dollar lawyers can't even settle it clearly, you a student wants to be the judge, joke! ^ this Oh and know why there is no precedent to this before? Because never before has a firm tried to charge people for organising tournaments using their games, much less owning all Custom Maps made, or Replays. How is it that so many people are conveniently ignoring all these money-grubbing stunts that Blizz is pulling?... Also, can it be charged if you are using different maps from ones released by Blizz, effectively playing Custom Maps, to which Blizz's Map Editor served as a tool to create? | ||
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Parnage
United States7414 Posts
You then don't delete it and pretend it didn't happen. It just seems iffy, this just seems like a move to string tensions even higher then it already is. At best this blogger seems like he posted some tldr version of something he saw and then took it down realizing how badly that looks on the quality of his work. Co-existence is the best solution for the record but that should be pretty obvious to everyone. Fans can love both. I sure as hell do. | ||
Falling
Canada11350 Posts
On October 08 2010 03:44 Parnage wrote: Yeah, I don't trust this blog post whatsoever. Poor translation or not if this guy is trying to be a e-journalist of any sort you sure as hell don't post both sides acting as a child unless they really are acting like children and you damn well better have some sort of truth to it and I am sorry I can't see either a CEO of a major company or a high level minister acting in the manner they've portrayed. You then don't delete it and pretend it didn't happen. It just seems iffy, this just seems like a move to string tensions even higher then it already is. At best this blogger seems like he posted some tldr version of something he saw and then took it down realizing how badly that looks on the quality of his work. Co-existence is the best solution for the record but that should be pretty obvious to everyone. Fans can love both. I sure as hell do. This is my line of thought as well. I know everyone's into indie journalism these days, but given how outrageous the statements are, I would definitely want to know who this blogger is, what his interests are, and why he isn't sticking to his guns. Ethos arguments will naturally be more persuasive to those who knew about this blogger before hand. As it stands, I would take the actual comments with a grain of salt, perhaps the attitudes were less than cordial, but I'd be hesitant to call a pox on both houses based upon this. | ||
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Tazza
Korea (South)1678 Posts
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
On October 08 2010 04:26 Tazza wrote: Good luck Korea. And Blizzard is a regular company, seriously, how can they talk like that to a minister of a company? If Samsung, one of the biggest companies in the world, started bashing a US minister, wouldn't you be pissed? Not if US were using anti-competitive practices... | ||
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Legace
Sweden342 Posts
On October 08 2010 04:26 Tazza wrote: Good luck Korea. And Blizzard is a regular company, seriously, how can they talk like that to a minister of a company? If Samsung, one of the biggest companies in the world, started bashing a US minister, wouldn't you be pissed? Since I'm not American I'll just go ahead and *insert random country* minister. But seriously, there are some politicians that I would gladly let MM verbally abuse. Infact, I would sit on the goddam sidline and cheer on MM. Then again, you naivëly assume the information given in the conviniently deleted blogpost is 100% correct which pretty much would mean that both MM and the South Korean minister are mentally challenged, I do wonder which one of them being retarded is more intriguing. | ||
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