Serious Balance Changes Suggestions Topic - Page 2

On July 07 2004 15:23 STIMEY d okgm fish wrote:
Good balance means a player has to actually think and decide...

you're absolutely right. decisions certainly can be made a lot less obvious in BW right now. anyone who disagrees with this is fucking dumb and probably thinks every version is perfectly balanced (at the time) so they should just stay out of this discussion. if u can be sure that a unit could be made more powerful or less expensive without it breaking any matchup (and in many cases you can) then u really should realize that is a hint the game is not completely perfectly balanced and that yes, it can be made at least slightly better.

On July 07 2004 15:27 Rt-S.FakeSteve wrote:
Making scouts significantly more powerful would simply rape zerg, too

On July 07 2004 15:17 fheow wrote:
Maybe u should make a ums map with these changes and test it out. it ll be interesting

On July 07 2004 15:37 useless wrote:
whens the last time you saw broodlings affect the outcome of the game? toss them out!

whens the last time you saw valkyries affect the outcome of the game? no soup for joo!!

On July 07 2004 14:58 tfeign wrote:
I can't wait until a new balance patch comes out. Say all you want about balance, you're all in denial that many units are overused while many others are underused.

How I see it:

Dark Archon: This unit is WAY underused. Simply because it costs too much $ and you have to surrender 2 DTs, plus, it costs alot of energy to cast any real useful spells. In pvz you will see high templar prefered over dark archon 99.9% of the time. Good balance means a player has to actually think and decide...hey should I go dark archon or high templar this game? My suggestion: Lower Mind Control to 125 energy. Lower maelstrom to 75 energy.

High Templar hallucinations: This spell is way underused because quite frankly it costs way too much energy for their effectiveness except in a few rare circumstances. How many times have you seen hallucinations changed the outcome of a game? Now how many times have you seen storm changed the outcome of a game? Balance it to the point where a player must actually think and decide...hmmm should I get hallucination first or storm first? My suggestion: Reduce hallucination cost to 75 energy. Hallucinated units should take 1.5x damage instead of 2x.

Scout: Seriously, why is this thing called a scout when a corsair is always used for scouting? Can anyone explain? The scout's air-to-ground damage is downright pathetic. Again ask yourself, how many times have I seen scouts changed the outcome of the game? Then ask yourself, how many times have I seen corsairs changed the outcome of the game? My suggestion: 1. Eliminate the speed and sight range upgrade for the scout -- scouts should have these upgrades already. Who in their right mind would spend 200/200 to give a scout 1 more matrix in sight range? 2. Increase the scout air-to-ground damage by 4.

Queen: WAY underused unit, and rightfully so because queens suck ass for their cost-effectiveness. Defiler can consume to get basically unlimited energy. Dark swarm is a scare and plague rocks. My suggestion: Reduce ensnare cost to 50 energy. Reduce broodling cost to 100 energy. This will also make zerg stronger in island maps.

Infested Terran: This is probably the worst unit in the game. Seriously, I can't think of any unit that are worse than infested terrans regarding cost-effectiveness. In order to steal a command center it is very hard, so if a zerg player manages to steal a cc, he should be rewarded with something more than the ability to make units that can never make a real difference. When was the last time you saw infested terrans changed the outcome of the game? Seriously, I'm not kidding when I say this is the worst balanced unit there is. The reason is because they have too little hitpoints and die before they can do any damage. My suggestion: Increase their hit points from 60 to 100.

Also to name a few more:

In PvT, when terran has a massive amount of tanks late game, it's almost impossible for a protoss ground army to beat it because tanks with maxed weapon upgrades do too much damage. Suggestion: lower the damage in which weapon upgrade gives to tanks.
When protoss has a massive amount of carriers late game, it's almost impossible for terran to counter it. Suggestion: Lower the interceptor hit points.
We can then see more diverse strategies instead of protoss playing a game of stalling until they can get carriers most of the time.

- Nukes should cost less. They are underused because they are cost-ineffective. The chances of it working effectively is not worth the cost.

I know some of you are gonna argue and say hey I saw xxx used dark archon / scout / hallucinations... blah blah blah vs xxx and won. Well listen, billions of starcraft games have been played. Out of those billions of games, there just probabilistically HAS to be some games in which an underpowered unit made a difference to the game. How often do you seee that? Almost never. I don't care if you see Grrrr used dark archon to beat ultra/crackling or sKy.Proct using scouts to defeat terran with the stove or hallucinated zealots bombing up tanks....these strats have a very VERY small chance of working effectively. You will never find more than a handful of professional reps where these units made a big difference to the game.

In conclusion, no one wants to see high templars chosen instead of dark archons 99.9% of the time, no one wants to see corsairs chosen over scouts 99.9% of the time, no one wants to see defilers chosen over queens 99.9% of the time. The only question is if Blizzard will ever attempt to make another balance patch for the game.

On July 07 2004 15:10 Refrain[FriZ] wrote:
Stop it, Starcraft is balanced =/