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Is it me or is savior's apology still really dodgy?
On July 29 2010 16:40 prototype. wrote:
Oh blizzard you... as if the name starcraft isn't enough promotion...
Exactly what I was thinking. Going to those lengths to promote a game that's supposed to be the second coming has to make you wonder.
On July 29 2010 18:29 Lokian wrote:
Who cares about E-sports? Really? Do you think Kespa cares? Seeing as how they rather be head-honcho than negotiate, I beg to differ.
Blizzard did all this to promote SC2, to take e-sports to the international level. Not just Korea. SC may die in Korea, but with the development of e-sports around the world, Korea's going to soon pick it up. This is the hope that's left in my opinion. Unless Kespa does something with their team to speed up the process, it may take a while.
If you look at how they built BNET 2, it resembles a good system for international e-sports. They even said they will hold tournaments through the results of BNET2. I really can't see how you can say they don't care anything about e-sports seeing as how the whole game was set up for it.
This reads like pure propaganda. If anything, Bnet 2.0 is a great example of working opposite of promoting international eSports.
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Be realistic man, "to take e-sport to the international level" is just plain stupid. Blizz knows that. You can develop e-sport in Asian countries, not in Western countries, and Blizz is no fool to not recognizing that. BNET2 is a tool to control the whole scene, not to promote e-sport. If they really want to care about e-sport, they would have put LAN back.
I have SC2 in my PC, it is a very good game, and has all the potential to become the successor of SC as a sport, but first it must get the approval of the Koreans. What Blizz is doing is very stupid, they want supreme control over the SC1 scene, and complete control over the SC2 scene, so that all money will go to their pocket. If I were a Korean I couldn't approve this, I would want e-sport to be managed by a non-profit organization backed by my own government.
The "development of e-sports around the world" doesn't exist at all, and one little Blizz can't make it happen. No one will help them either since they control the whole thing and don't want to make a step back. It is just natural, their goal is money, not e-sport. They will drop support the moment when e-sport is no longer profitable.
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On July 29 2010 18:58 kmdarkmaster wrote:
Be realistic man, "to take e-sport to the international level" is just plain stupid. Blizz knows that. You can develop e-sport in Asian countries, not in Western countries, and Blizz is no fool to not recognizing that. BNET2 is a tool to control the whole scene, not to promote e-sport. If they really want to care about e-sport, they would have put LAN back.
I have SC2 in my PC, it is a very good game, and has all the potential to become the successor of SC as a sport, but first it must get the approval of the Koreans. What Blizz is doing is very stupid, they want supreme control over the SC1 scene, and complete control over the SC2 scene, so that all money will go to their pocket. If I were a Korean I couldn't approve this, I would want e-sport to be managed by a non-profit organization backed by my own government.
The "development of e-sports around the world" doesn't exist at all, and one little Blizz can't make it happen. No one will help them either since they control the whole thing and don't want to make a step back. It is just natural, their goal is money, not e-sport. They will drop support the moment when e-sport is no longer profitable.
have to agree with this completely...
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Savior´s apology is interesting. I´ve got the feeling that he minimizes his own wrongdoing to the point that he´s deviating from the truth.
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On July 29 2010 16:22 Waxangel wrote:
You forgot the best part of the Blizzard "marketing" news, where they pretty much bribed every Korean website to write only good things about SC II with that $30 million ;D
Shows how much games "journalism" is actually worth 
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On July 29 2010 18:58 kmdarkmaster wrote:
Be realistic man, "to take e-sport to the international level" is just plain stupid. Blizz knows that. You can develop e-sport in Asian countries, not in Western countries, and Blizz is no fool to not recognizing that. BNET2 is a tool to control the whole scene, not to promote e-sport. If they really want to care about e-sport, they would have put LAN back.
I have SC2 in my PC, it is a very good game, and has all the potential to become the successor of SC as a sport, but first it must get the approval of the Koreans. What Blizz is doing is very stupid, they want supreme control over the SC1 scene, and complete control over the SC2 scene, so that all money will go to their pocket. If I were a Korean I couldn't approve this, I would want e-sport to be managed by a non-profit organization backed by my own government.
The "development of e-sports around the world" doesn't exist at all, and one little Blizz can't make it happen. No one will help them either since they control the whole thing and don't want to make a step back. It is just natural, their goal is money, not e-sport. They will drop support the moment when e-sport is no longer profitable.
You be realistic. There's no e-sport prohibition in the Western world. If something becomes popular enough, people will hop on it for profit of various types. Just because you think e-sports is a mystic, ancient secret that can only be upheld in Korea doesn't make it true.
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so he didnt really throw games?
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On July 29 2010 18:29 Lokian wrote:
Who cares about E-sports? Really? Do you think Kespa cares? Seeing as how they rather be head-honcho than negotiate, I beg to differ.
Blizzard did all this to promote SC2, to take e-sports to the international level. Not just Korea. SC may die in Korea, but with the development of e-sports around the world, Korea's going to soon pick it up. This is the hope that's left in my opinion. Unless Kespa does something with their team to speed up the process, it may take a while.
If you look at how they built BNET 2, it resembles a good system for international e-sports. They even said they will hold tournaments through the results of BNET2. I really can't see how you can say they don't care anything about e-sports seeing as how the whole game was set up for it.
hmm
I'm not sure but... Korean E-SPORTS association probably cares about e-sports...
well yeah sure I guess kespa don't care about it, I mean... they only exist because of e-sports right?
oh yeah and B.Net 2.0 is not built for E-sports at all and you can't say anything good about 2.0 in it's current state
I also must state that leacing a e-sport in the hand of a company that is not purely designed for it (like Kespa) is an awfull idea. Sure it might work well for a while but when WC4 comes along... what is blizzard going to do with the old SC2?
also, there is a cultural difference between the west and the east that would make it very surprising to see E-sports become mainstream. (not even talking about the fact that there are almost no PC bangs in the west)
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I will and always forgive Savior. No, I am not a fan, but i feels that he has been punished enough already and he knows his mistakes.
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And the people talking about a big esports scene in the west are really optimistic, I just don't see it happening...
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Im glad Blizzard is forcing SC2 on Korea. Koreans need to embrace SC2 in my opinion. Not because of ugly reasons like "BW is old" or whatever. More because i think they could do well with it. For their PC cafe culture SC2 is awesome. Anyone over there who has been playing BW all this time should at least give SC2 maybe a year or so of constant online playing, THEN see what they think. So what if Blizzard broke sign law. So what if Blizzard paid for good reviews. The game deserves great reviews. Anyone playing the campaign or laddering right now who doesnt dig it is crazy. Yeah there are some imperfect things. But nothing to give a bad review over. Just because a little kid wants to eat 15 gumballs because his natural instinct is to enjoy the taste of sugar, sometimes you just gotta go over his head and take it from him so he doesnt get sick. And just because some Korean people are unsure of SC2 because of things like "Blizzards business model" or "rumors", doesnt mean that the game sucks or that it isnt worth at least a year or so of playing it and seeing how far it can go.
Watch the behind the scenes DVD for christs sake. All of the actual artists that created SC2 are brilliant, hilarious people. SC2 is their idea and their hard work. When you buy and play SC2 you are buying it because of those peoples creativity and dedication. Who cares if the company is owned by people who are trying to maximize profits? The artists themselves who created it should get some credit and people should stop saying Blizzard is just after money and turned evil etc. Thats such a modern day cliche. Its only being said because people like to say sensationalist things and everyone feels smart being a watch dog for consumer fairness and nobody wants to fall for being duped by some "evil corporate monster". The artists and designers are completely different people with completely different reasons for doing what they do than the business men that squeeze every dollar out in less than appealing ways. I think if people want to go on a witch hunt for companies that arent giving people their moneys worth, Blizzard should be about last on that list.
Glad to see Kespa having to negotiate. Glad to see Savior attempting a PR makeover. I think its messed up what he did but id be happy if he came right back for SC2.
Btw, Blizzard stands to make a ton of money from SC2, but so do all the pro teams and businesses in Korea, and pretty much South Korea in general.
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Added a paragraph on SC2's performance in Korea.
Hint: it didn't do well
Is the TL team going to translate this as well? Please?
Unlikely unless we can get another Translator. There isn't many nowadays it seems ;;
The number 1 reason why SC2 didn't do well in korea for beta is because of bad press and rumors.
Source? What kind of "bad press and rumors" did Korea get during Beta? Back up your shit please.
Im glad Blizzard is forcing SC2 on Korea. Koreans need to embrace SC2 in my opinion. Not because of ugly reasons like "BW is old" or whatever. More because i think they could do well with it. For their PC cafe culture SC2 is awesome. Anyone over there who has been playing BW all this time should at least give SC2 maybe a year or so of constant online playing, THEN see what they think. So what if Blizzard broke sign law. So what if Blizzard paid for good reviews. The game deserves great reviews. Anyone playing the campaign or laddering right now who doesnt dig it is crazy. Yeah there are some imperfect things. But nothing to give a bad review over. Just because a little kid wants to eat 15 gumballs because his natural instinct is to enjoy the taste of sugar, sometimes you just gotta go over his head and take it from him so he doesnt get sick. And just because some Korean people are unsure of SC2 because of things like "Blizzards business model" or "rumors", doesnt mean that the game sucks or that it isnt worth at least a year or so of playing it and seeing how far it can go.
Watch the behind the scenes DVD for christs sake. All of the actual artists that created SC2 are brilliant, hilarious people. SC2 is their idea and their hard work. When you buy and play SC2 you are buying it because of those peoples creativity and dedication. Who cares if the company is owned by people who are trying to maximize profits? The artists themselves who created it should get some credit and people should stop saying Blizzard is just after money and turned evil etc. Thats such a modern day cliche. Its only being said because people like to say sensationalist things and everyone feels smart being a watch dog for consumer fairness and nobody wants to fall for being duped by some "evil corporate monster". The artists and designers are completely different people with completely different reasons for doing what they do than the business men that squeeze every dollar out in less than appealing ways. I think if people want to go on a witch hunt for companies that arent giving people their moneys worth, Blizzard should be about last on that list.
What? What prompted this rant?
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Looks like Bw will stay strong in Korea
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Thanks so much for these translations and the format! Nice to be able to read the Korean news in one place.
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Wait, Savior never match-fixed in a game, but just told people about it. Shouldn't he get less of a punishment than the other gamers?
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For their PC cafe culture paying 20% of everything is clearly not awesome at all. Whoever siad Blizzard doesn't care about eSports - probably not true, they care as long as there's some profit in it for them. They don't seem to understand its free promotion of the game if they just let it evolve naturally. At the end of the day Blizzard isn't going to pay for proleagues/starleagues, pay progamers wages, their housing and food and basically isn't going to pay for anything.. they expect it all to be one way. They might sponsor a few tournaments at first for some post-launch hypepurposes but long term i doubt they have any interest to keep supporting an eSports scene.
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Some people still think sc2 is the messiah of e-sport and something like korean e-sport will soon happen all over the world. Kinda funny
And why would the koreans go to a less exciting game to watch like sc2? Just doesn't make sense... TV station only care about how many people watch, thats what it's all about and what will decide if Sc2 has a future in korea.
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On July 29 2010 23:41 Tazza wrote:
Wait, Savior never match-fixed in a game, but just told people about it. Shouldn't he get less of a punishment than the other gamers?
I'm not sure this is entirely true. Even if it is and he didn't lose games himself, his sentence should still be stronger than the players who did due to the fact he was the one actively getting other players involved. In that sense, his actions probably lead more to match fixing than any of the individual players who actually threw games.
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