[News] Odds and Ends - 7/22/2010 ~ 7/29/2010 - Page 3

On July 29 2010 18:29 Lokian wrote:
Who cares about E-sports? Really? Do you think Kespa cares? Seeing as how they rather be head-honcho than negotiate, I beg to differ.

Blizzard did all this to promote SC2, to take e-sports to the international level. Not just Korea. SC may die in Korea, but with the development of e-sports around the world, Korea's going to soon pick it up. This is the hope that's left in my opinion. Unless Kespa does something with their team to speed up the process, it may take a while.

If you look at how they built BNET 2, it resembles a good system for international e-sports. They even said they will hold tournaments through the results of BNET2. I really can't see how you can say they don't care anything about e-sports seeing as how the whole game was set up for it.

On July 29 2010 18:29 Lokian wrote:
Who cares about E-sports? Really? Do you think Kespa cares? Seeing as how they rather be head-honcho than negotiate, I beg to differ.

Blizzard did all this to promote SC2, to take e-sports to the international level. Not just Korea. SC may die in Korea, but with the development of e-sports around the world, Korea's going to soon pick it up. This is the hope that's left in my opinion. Unless Kespa does something with their team to speed up the process, it may take a while.

If you look at how they built BNET 2, it resembles a good system for international e-sports. They even said they will hold tournaments through the results of BNET2. I really can't see how you can say they don't care anything about e-sports seeing as how the whole game was set up for it.

On July 30 2010 01:05 Zona wrote:

Your very one-sided rant prompted me to look at your post history.

All your posts are simply about how SC2 cannot have flaws and how professional Brood War was fixed. You seem to have an agenda.

On July 30 2010 02:14 QuickStriker wrote:
Thanks for the translation and good read Milkis. Really enjoyed it. I know my Korean reading skills aren't good but perhaps I can help somewhat in the future.

But first thing comes into my mind as I read the posts of this thread and other thread that include both SC1 and SC2 is that I can't believe we have such ignorant blind posters of TL who seem to be brain washed by Blizzard and SC2. It's always the same thing over again which result to flaming comments and strong criticism between BW and SC2 that's usually started by SC2 fanboys. Seriously, you guys have your own forum to go to called "Starcraft 2" forum in TL and this is "Broodwar" that's meant for usually SC1 so can you at least be respectful for a thread and forum that's mainly about SC1? God, I really want to kick all your butts everytime I hear "oh good, SC1 should die" "SC2 > SC1 blah blah blah" or "Blizzard is always right on what they're doing".

Thanks for the translation and good read Milkis. Really enjoyed it. I know my Korean reading skills aren't good but perhaps I can help somewhat in the future.

I would translate too or read the articles in Korean as well but I'm too lazy nor take too much time to do either since English is so much easier. But seeing all these work you and others been doing, I'll give a hand whenever you really do need it! But for now, keep up the good work! :D

But as I watch this, I realized just how I understand the Korean nicely and I could also have translated English. But the translation was good so I'm not needed but I feel like maybe I should commit myself to join or do future projects alone like this even though I have no clue how to code them and all. Still, good job!

Also guys, I realized that Hyuk's interview never got translated for his group in MST. I find that very annoying and outrageous! So much that I will translate it myself despite my weak half-quality Korean skills as long as I get a link to the interview. It may take like couple of hours compared to our real translators who take only few minutes but IT MUST BE TRANSLATED! So if anyone can provide a link, I will translate it (only Hyuk's) and post it on front page. So someone please give me that link! Thanks!

Oh oh oh, I wanna try for this.... but I was wondering if I qualify as a translator? Although I haven't posted translated articles, I have translated play-by-play live games from PL and OSL via livestreams, especially Mystlord's channel. That'll be really cool since I'll then have determination to improve my korean skills to translate articles as well!

I know Korean language and it's not b/c of the fact I love SC which made me. If anything it became a nice benefit and supplment of knowing korean that allowed me to translate Korean during PL matches...

But I learned it b/c....

1. I'm naturally a Korean (though I didn't learn it until college)
2. Took Korean courses in college (FOUR OF THEM)
3. Forced to speak Korean all the time at home whether I like it or not...

On July 30 2010 02:25 AyJay wrote:


Yet again, there are many BW fanboys in starcraft2 forum starting flame wars, trying to convince everyone how Bw is 1000x times better.

On July 30 2010 02:46 MangoTango wrote:
Savior, I am disappoint.

Glad to see Sangho keeping is head high. And Nal_rA is doing..what exactly? Public interest duty? Wuzzat?

On July 29 2010 23:11 Mellotron wrote:
Im glad Blizzard is forcing SC2 on Korea. Koreans need to embrace SC2 in my opinion. Not because of ugly reasons like "BW is old" or whatever. More because i think they could do well with it. For their PC cafe culture SC2 is awesome. Anyone over there who has been playing BW all this time should at least give SC2 maybe a year or so of constant online playing, THEN see what they think. So what if Blizzard broke sign law. So what if Blizzard paid for good reviews. The game deserves great reviews. Anyone playing the campaign or laddering right now who doesnt dig it is crazy. Yeah there are some imperfect things. But nothing to give a bad review over. Just because a little kid wants to eat 15 gumballs because his natural instinct is to enjoy the taste of sugar, sometimes you just gotta go over his head and take it from him so he doesnt get sick. And just because some Korean people are unsure of SC2 because of things like "Blizzards business model" or "rumors", doesnt mean that the game sucks or that it isnt worth at least a year or so of playing it and seeing how far it can go.

Watch the behind the scenes DVD for christs sake. All of the actual artists that created SC2 are brilliant, hilarious people. SC2 is their idea and their hard work. When you buy and play SC2 you are buying it because of those peoples creativity and dedication. Who cares if the company is owned by people who are trying to maximize profits? The artists themselves who created it should get some credit and people should stop saying Blizzard is just after money and turned evil etc. Thats such a modern day cliche. Its only being said because people like to say sensationalist things and everyone feels smart being a watch dog for consumer fairness and nobody wants to fall for being duped by some "evil corporate monster". The artists and designers are completely different people with completely different reasons for doing what they do than the business men that squeeze every dollar out in less than appealing ways. I think if people want to go on a witch hunt for companies that arent giving people their moneys worth, Blizzard should be about last on that list.

Glad to see Kespa having to negotiate. Glad to see Savior attempting a PR makeover. I think its messed up what he did but id be happy if he came right back for SC2.

Btw, Blizzard stands to make a ton of money from SC2, but so do all the pro teams and businesses in Korea, and pretty much South Korea in general.

On July 30 2010 02:48 night terrors wrote:



Well, you know, it is better...

On July 30 2010 03:58 AyJay wrote:

I don't see any reason why it's better

On July 30 2010 02:41 Milkis wrote:






Ever gonna walk the talk or are you seriously all fucking talk

like seriously "Oh I'll translate but <blah blah>" is the most annoying thing ever. As much as I appreciate you taking the time to thank every translation, I don't even know what you're trying to hint at with these constant "I'll translate" things but never putting in ANY effort to.

Oh, there's more.

On July 29 2010 23:16 Milkis wrote:



Unlikely unless we can get another Translator. There isn't many nowadays it seems ;;

On July 30 2010 04:06 QuickStriker wrote:

Well I was trying to be courteous and respectful here with even suggestions and offering of help but if that's your stance and attitude, I'll have to say there's 2 things that is clearly wrong from your point of view from this quote.

1. No one, especially you, never gave me a chance nor opportunity to help out when I requested it. Did I ever get a PM or translating team to be requested to be deployed? Must I always be the first one to make the move to reach out and do something about it? You're always saying how you need more translators and all and that manpower is short but it seems to me that you constantly ignored me on purpose without even the slight consideration of the possibility that I am here to willing help out. But instead of PMing, you want to take this out here so fine.



2. All the other quotes are in the past and other places. Why are you bringing irrelevant information in this thread that has nothing to do with the topic? Are you trying to show off even more of how you're trying to show hatred to me? I already know you hate me for whatever reason it may be. But really, what are you trying to prove here in this very thread by bringing all these up?

This is why Milkis, I don't like you as well. I don't know what reasons you have to dislike me but I really don't like you at all trying to stir up fights everywhere we go. That being said, I never said I don't want to help, so that's a completely different topic. If you want to fight, take it elsewhere than here.