On August 25 2010 08:01 LuckyFool wrote: I'm about to reformat my bw pc and I won't be playing anymore. But I could go through and get a rep pack of maybe 100+ games of myself vs top foreigners and progamers on ladder on iccup (I was terran and B-/B level) if anyone still plays or thinks they would be interested or trying to improve I guess I might do that.
Like I have reps vs Upmagic, July, Grape, Firefist, Stats, Saint, Light and more.
I ask cuz it'll take a couple hours of work going through everything and I don't want to waste time if nobody would care.
Yes please. But if you need to format your hard drive and don't have time to sort your replays, just save the whole folder on a usb key, and do it when you have time ! I would love to see these games. I played a few times vs top foreigners and they demolished me. I assume the skill gap is as big between a B players and a korean progamer (no offense), but I would love to see these games. Thank you.
On August 24 2010 11:24 deL wrote: For D+ players SC2 is more fun to play because you're actually in the top few players haha, but BW remains better to watch - I think people are just still caught up in the 'new game' hype as well as seeing all their favourite top foreign players that they can cheer for.
I semi agree with this. A lot of low ranked BW players often find more success in SC2 since they are familiar with the game because of SC1. Although SC2 is a different game, it still has the basics that you need to have from SC1. I personally think both games are fun to watch, but it's all personal opinion. A lot of SC1 elitists will stick with SC1, which is fine, but there's no need to bash on people who like SC2. I still follow the pro scene for SC1 along with the growing SC2 scene.
I don't agree with your so called "new game hype" because obviously it will happen. A lot of people are playing SC2 a lot because it is actually an okay game so far, but needs some fixes like any other young game. We have seen a lot of comparison to the release of SC2 and how it might split the communities in two like CS 1.6 vs CS:S. The difference is that SC2 is actually good and not shitty like CS:S. SC2 is more than pretty graphics since it does require skill. It doesn't require as much as SC1 that is for sure, but you still need to put effort into the game if you want to go far.
On August 25 2010 08:01 LuckyFool wrote: I'm about to reformat my bw pc and I won't be playing anymore. But I could go through and get a rep pack of maybe 100+ games of myself vs top foreigners and progamers on ladder on iccup (I was terran and B-/B level) if anyone still plays or thinks they would be interested or trying to improve I guess I might do that.
Like I have reps vs Upmagic, July, Grape, Firefist, Stats, Saint, Light and more.
I ask cuz it'll take a couple hours of work going through everything and I don't want to waste time if nobody would care.
Yes please. But if you need to format your hard drive and don't have time to sort your replays, just save the whole folder on a usb key, and do it when you have time ! I would love to see these games. I played a few times vs top foreigners and they demolished me. I assume the skill gap is as big between a B players and a korean progamer (no offense), but I would love to see these games. Thank you.
Wow so many people interested!
The skill gap between korean pros and everyone else is huge. I get crushed in like every game except a few (usually had better TvP's) Beating Grape was prolly the best win of my joke of a bw career. At my best (mid/late 2009, during TSL ladder) my TvP was getting so good somehow lol.
I'm motivated now to take a big chunk of time tomorrow and do this. I'll probably post it in blog section and talk about all kinds of stuff. I'll link to it from here too.
Good to see people still into bw. And prozen is totally right. I don't plan to play much at all in the future but bw will always hold a special place in mah heart. <3
1) Far too many particle effects - covers up all your units, makes it impossible to spectate easily 2) Little awesome control (muta micro, goon vs zeals, MM vs lurker/ling/filer, etc), all the control in SC2 is just flanking (which is made less important by autosurround) and kiting. 3) Spells are far less "imba" in SC2: see storms, plaguu, swarm, irradiate, and so on, compared to fungal growth, seeker missile, SC2 storm. They're all far less game changing than the SC1 spells - meaning it's far harder to come back from a disadvantage. 4) Continuing that, easier macro means it's incredibly hard to outmacro your opponents - I can do near-perfect macro as Z, whereas I'd be hard-pushed to keep under 500 minerals in SC1. This means that, again, it's much harder to come back from a disadvantage. 5) In addition, the removal of "defenders advantage" (ie, miss-chance up hill) also pushes this - firstly, it makes it much harder to come back if your opponent attempts to make a large attack on your base, and in addition, reduces the potential for strategic placement of units - tanks on high ground were incredibly effective, likewise with other units. This gives another incentive to move out of your base - controlling the highground allows you to defend your other bases whilst harrassing because you'll need less units to defend from backstabs. 6) Blizzard are trying to force the game into ESPORTS ESPORTS ESPORTS, instead of focusing on gameplay. 7) Zerg design is just boring - where's the fun? Mass roaches, mass lings, neither are particularly fun to play with, whereas T get reapers, mauraders (lol, slow), hellions, vikings and so on and P get blink stalkers, chargelots, sentries, collosi - units which take an ounce of thought to use, whereas z units are basically designed to a-move and get back to macro. Banelings are the only particularly "skillful" zerg unit to use, although really, they're the poor zerg's reaver. 8) They didn't implement SC1 models into the editor, despite promising. 9) SC2 is popular because of it's brand fame, and people have blind faith in it because they've seen "ESPORTS!" in action, and want in on a piece of the cash and fame themselves. 10) Ball vs ball combat. How interesting to watch.
i realized that after playing sc2 for a while, i can no longer do a perfect split, coordinate a ling attack, or use defilers. Oh and I keep hitting V for overlords and end up supply blocked for half the game.
1) Far too many particle effects - covers up all your units, makes it impossible to spectate easily 2) Little awesome control (muta micro, goon vs zeals, MM vs lurker/ling/filer, etc), all the control in SC2 is just flanking (which is made less important by autosurround) and kiting. 3) Spells are far less "imba" in SC2: see storms, plaguu, swarm, irradiate, and so on, compared to fungal growth, seeker missile, SC2 storm. They're all far less game changing than the SC1 spells - meaning it's far harder to come back from a disadvantage. 4) Continuing that, easier macro means it's incredibly hard to outmacro your opponents - I can do near-perfect macro as Z, whereas I'd be hard-pushed to keep under 500 minerals in SC1. This means that, again, it's much harder to come back from a disadvantage. 5) In addition, the removal of "defenders advantage" (ie, miss-chance up hill) also pushes this - firstly, it makes it much harder to come back if your opponent attempts to make a large attack on your base, and in addition, reduces the potential for strategic placement of units - tanks on high ground were incredibly effective, likewise with other units. This gives another incentive to move out of your base - controlling the highground allows you to defend your other bases whilst harrassing because you'll need less units to defend from backstabs. 6) Blizzard are trying to force the game into ESPORTS ESPORTS ESPORTS, instead of focusing on gameplay. 7) Zerg design is just boring - where's the fun? Mass roaches, mass lings, neither are particularly fun to play with, whereas T get reapers, mauraders (lol, slow), hellions, vikings and so on and P get blink stalkers, chargelots, sentries, collosi - units which take an ounce of thought to use, whereas z units are basically designed to a-move and get back to macro. Banelings are the only particularly "skillful" zerg unit to use, although really, they're the poor zerg's reaver. 8) They didn't implement SC1 models into the editor, despite promising. 9) SC2 is popular because of it's brand fame, and people have blind faith in it because they've seen "ESPORTS!" in action, and want in on a piece of the cash and fame themselves. 10) Ball vs ball combat. How interesting to watch.
This pretty much sums it up for me, the main reason for me is that the spells are complete shit and overall the game-play just seems DULL, great post
After watching a few SC2 and BW tournaments I found myself yawning at the IEM SC2 finals, forcing myself to watch the finals, and in contrast almost screaming from excitement at the MSL BW finals. I'm giving up on SC2, sorry Day9.
On August 25 2010 08:01 LuckyFool wrote: I'm about to reformat my bw pc and I won't be playing anymore. But I could go through and get a rep pack of maybe 100+ games of myself vs top foreigners and progamers on ladder on iccup (I was terran and B-/B level) if anyone still plays or thinks they would be interested or trying to improve I guess I might do that.
Like I have reps vs Upmagic, July, Grape, Firefist, Stats, Saint, Light and more.
I ask cuz it'll take a couple hours of work going through everything and I don't want to waste time if nobody would care.
Yes please. But if you need to format your hard drive and don't have time to sort your replays, just save the whole folder on a usb key, and do it when you have time ! I would love to see these games. I played a few times vs top foreigners and they demolished me. I assume the skill gap is as big between a B players and a korean progamer (no offense), but I would love to see these games. Thank you.
Wow so many people interested!
The skill gap between korean pros and everyone else is huge. I get crushed in like every game except a few (usually had better TvP's) Beating Grape was prolly the best win of my joke of a bw career. At my best (mid/late 2009, during TSL ladder) my TvP was getting so good somehow lol.
I'm motivated now to take a big chunk of time tomorrow and do this. I'll probably post it in blog section and talk about all kinds of stuff. I'll link to it from here too.
Good to see people still into bw. And prozen is totally right. I don't plan to play much at all in the future but bw will always hold a special place in mah heart. <3
On August 25 2010 14:59 yelps wrote: I don't really think there's a motive to play brood war right now as a foreigner. Koreans are just miles ahead.
Now spectating games is a completely different story.
The motive is fun. Which is the only reason you should be playing a game. You shouldn't play sc2 cause you think you have a chance going pro and earn $ online? rather play poker then... Esport=pocket-money compared
if there is anything certain, it is change. Change does not care if you like it either you are willing to adapt or deal with it anyway you think fits. Sc once was an awful game broodwar and patches made it the rts jewel it is now. it may be sad but also blizzard needs to rego the path of balancing every frickin title they do. it is up to you if you want to adapt or you stick with a sinking boat. but be ensured with the power of the money pumped into sc2 it is going to become a great e-sports title. it grfx is made for being presentable for the years to come it is made for entertaining the masses. you find it boring to watch well nobody forces you to become a progamer in it but there is money you want it, you better find a way to adapt. for the companies already made clear where they are going to push the most money in which tournaments.
I don't know if somebody has said this yet but, Starcraft 2 JUST came out, one month ago, everyone and their grandmother is playing it, in a month or two people will start paying more attention to bw...
On September 03 2010 21:13 bobbingmatt wrote: I don't know if somebody has said this yet but, Starcraft 2 JUST came out, one month ago, everyone and their grandmother is playing it, in a month or two people will start paying more attention to bw...
I play few games a week. It is still the best game ever made amen to that ! Luckyfool sad to see you leaving as a player, please make time and post the replays you have. I am repeating myself, but i just don't see SC2 succeeding in realistic way. Even if you make patch that would fix everything and make the game balanced almost perfectly, it will still have the same flawed mechanics that makes it bad. Everything SC2 has is the money going into it, but it is really lacking as an e-sport game, but most people failing to realize that.
All the western ppl now prefer SC2 because is more popular and not really because it is in any way better than BW. Is just understandable after many years of: "do you know BW?" "what?"
I got an idea... SCBW is a nice simple game. From this game I learned >>> the basic pro plays, standard games, micro, macro, and in depth analysis of not only the matchup but also the metagame. ... If ever you have a friend who is willing to learn and get better at competitive play. Introduce him to SCBW first. It's like school. Getting into the "basics" first. BW is a very good stepping stone for RTS games. I imagine people in the future... looking at BW replays... searching for knowledge they could apply to their "advanced" games.
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