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On September 03 2010 23:48 ztoa03 wrote:
I got an idea... SCBW is a nice simple game. From this game I learned >>> the basic pro plays, standard games, micro, macro, and in depth analysis of not only the matchup but also the metagame. ...
If ever you have a friend who is willing to learn and get better at competitive play. Introduce him to SCBW first.
It's like school. Getting into the "basics" first. BW is a very good stepping stone for RTS games.
I imagine people in the future... looking at BW replays... searching for knowledge they could apply to their "advanced" games.
See, that's a misconception held by many who are *relatively new to BW. I'm not sure what you mean by "basics," but hell, BW is one of the most complex RTS ever made. Not in the sense of the individual mechanics the game has, but the interplay between all these "simple" things that make the game so much more advanced than any other RTS to existence.
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So here it is, the feeling of no brood war. There will be no pro games unitl next weekend and i already feel shitty about it. How are we gonna live if there is no next season...I please all gods, make bw go on. It is the best game ever and doesn't deserve to go like this. Hail to the king
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On September 03 2010 23:48 ztoa03 wrote:
I got an idea... SCBW is a nice simple game. From this game I learned >>> the basic pro plays, standard games, micro, macro, and in depth analysis of not only the matchup but also the metagame. ...
If ever you have a friend who is willing to learn and get better at competitive play. Introduce him to SCBW first.
It's like school. Getting into the "basics" first. BW is a very good stepping stone for RTS games.
I imagine people in the future... looking at BW replays... searching for knowledge they could apply to their "advanced" games.
brood war has more strategy than starcraft 2 at this point in time
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On September 05 2010 17:48 Ricjames wrote:
So here it is, the feeling of no brood war. There will be no pro games unitl next weekend and i already feel shitty about it. How are we gonna live if there is no next season...I please all gods, make bw go on. It is the best game ever and doesn't deserve to go like this. Hail to the king
there's a time like this every year during the offseason lol
it's no big deal.
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yeah, no broodwar for a week and then uncertainty?
very sad.
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On September 03 2010 23:48 ztoa03 wrote:
I got an idea... SCBW is a nice simple game. From this game I learned >>> the basic pro plays, standard games, micro, macro, and in depth analysis of not only the matchup but also the metagame. ...
If ever you have a friend who is willing to learn and get better at competitive play. Introduce him to SCBW first.
It's like school. Getting into the "basics" first. BW is a very good stepping stone for RTS games.
I imagine people in the future... looking at BW replays... searching for knowledge they could apply to their "advanced" games.
Simple? I don't think you get the game then. BW appears simple, but try to actually get good. OMG, there are 20 different builds for the same units, with different timing attacks, different compositions, and... ahhh! Appears simple, but complex behind the curtains.
And that is its beauty. That's why it works for ESports. It looks simple which makes it easy to view as a newcomer, but it's complex which makes it intense to be a hardcore fan. Someone new sees Flash turtle and blow shit up, someone experienced sees a 14cc with a cleverly cut SCV in order to stop the timing push at _:__ which he somehow knew was coming due to... etc.
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I play more SC2 than I do BW by alot nowadays, but I watch more BW than I watch SC2. I still play some Iccup matches from time to time as well.
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Ever since sc2 died I've been playing BW more.
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On September 03 2010 23:48 ztoa03 wrote:
I got an idea... SCBW is a nice simple game. From this game I learned >>> the basic pro plays, standard games, micro, macro, and in depth analysis of not only the matchup but also the metagame. ...
If ever you have a friend who is willing to learn and get better at competitive play. Introduce him to SCBW first.
It's like school. Getting into the "basics" first. BW is a very good stepping stone for RTS games.
I imagine people in the future... looking at BW replays... searching for knowledge they could apply to their "advanced" games.
saying broodwar is a stepping stone for other RTS games is like saying learning real guitar is a stepping stone to other music instrument like guitar hero. You calling bw "nice and simple" only tells us that you have little in-depth experience with it.
there isn't any more advanced, raw and challenging game than Broodwar right now. I hope what u said about future games being more advanced will be true.
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On September 06 2010 04:42 Glider wrote:
saying broodwar is a stepping stone for other RTS games is like saying learning real guitar is a stepping stone to other music instrument like guitar hero. You calling bw "nice and simple" only tells us that you have little in-depth experience with it.
there isn't any more advanced, raw and challenging game than Broodwar right now. I hope what u said about future games being more advanced will be true.
Agree on this point. However, not only BW is this way. Many older games are harder to play in comparison with newer games. Even RPG's. Brood War is really a challenging game to play.
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On September 06 2010 04:42 Glider wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2010 23:48 ztoa03 wrote:
I got an idea... SCBW is a nice simple game. From this game I learned >>> the basic pro plays, standard games, micro, macro, and in depth analysis of not only the matchup but also the metagame. ...
If ever you have a friend who is willing to learn and get better at competitive play. Introduce him to SCBW first.
It's like school. Getting into the "basics" first. BW is a very good stepping stone for RTS games.
I imagine people in the future... looking at BW replays... searching for knowledge they could apply to their "advanced" games. saying broodwar is a stepping stone for other RTS games is like saying learning real guitar is a stepping stone to other music instrument like guitar hero. You calling bw "nice and simple" only tells us that you have little in-depth experience with it. there isn't any more advanced, raw and challenging game than Broodwar right now. I hope what u said about future games being more advanced will be true.
Since when lpaying guitar hero is playing an "instrument".
guitar hero is a video game, not much to do with playing an instrument.
Agree with you though, BW is prolly the most complex and difficult RTS ever made.
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On September 06 2010 18:36 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2010 04:42 Glider wrote:On September 03 2010 23:48 ztoa03 wrote:
I got an idea... SCBW is a nice simple game. From this game I learned >>> the basic pro plays, standard games, micro, macro, and in depth analysis of not only the matchup but also the metagame. ...
If ever you have a friend who is willing to learn and get better at competitive play. Introduce him to SCBW first.
It's like school. Getting into the "basics" first. BW is a very good stepping stone for RTS games.
I imagine people in the future... looking at BW replays... searching for knowledge they could apply to their "advanced" games. saying broodwar is a stepping stone for other RTS games is like saying learning real guitar is a stepping stone to other music instrument like guitar hero. You calling bw "nice and simple" only tells us that you have little in-depth experience with it. there isn't any more advanced, raw and challenging game than Broodwar right now. I hope what u said about future games being more advanced will be true. Since when lpaying guitar hero is playing an "instrument". guitar hero is a video game, not much to do with playing an instrument. Agree with you though, BW is prolly the most complex and difficult RTS ever made.
*woosh* whoa, was that the sound of a point flying over someone's head?
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I' m trying to convince myself that watching SC2 is fun because there's been so little BW recently but honestly, so far, I'm finding it pretty boring. 
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On September 06 2010 18:45 tomatriedes wrote:I' m trying to convince myself that watching SC2 is fun because there's been so little BW recently but honestly, so far, I'm finding it pretty boring.
Watching the game and playing the game is 2 different feeling. I love watching BW games and playing it as well. Anyway, leagues are all over in korea. That could be the reason why.
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I feel the same. I must have picked a bad time to start playing Brood War. I don't even know where to start with all the obstacles I seem to encounter.
Every time I try to Google something Starcraft related, SC2 results come up. Even if I add "brood war" to the search. The BW strategy section here is pretty much dead, the people in the IRC only talk about SC2, and all the noobs seem to play SC2. All this combined with the fact that my latency shoots up whenever I try to create a game in iCCup, so I have to log out, log in, and recreate a game about 6 times before people join, only to lose to a 200+ apm D- player.
I've been playing for 6 months and I just feel that I'm not improving at all. I wish I had a small clique of people I could play with consistently so at least I could get the practice I need to improve.
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On September 06 2010 19:37 JuddCaster wrote:
I feel the same. I must have picked a bad time to start playing Brood War. I don't even know where to start with all the obstacles I seem to encounter.
Every time I try to Google something Starcraft related, SC2 results come up. Even if I add "brood war" to the search. The BW strategy section here is pretty much dead, the people in the IRC only talk about SC2, and all the noobs seem to play SC2. All this combined with the fact that my latency shoots up whenever I try to create a game in iCCup, so I have to log out, log in, and recreate a game about 6 times before people join, only to lose to a 200+ apm D- player.
I've been playing for 6 months and I just feel that I'm not improving at all. I wish I had a small clique of people I could play with consistently so at least I could get the practice I need to improve.
Just to let you know... practice partners are available. Go to ICCUP forum and post your name there or take down people's ID and call them to be your practice partner. BTW, im available for games and needs improving...
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I think I got my point messed up guys... sorry.
What I meant was, SCBW has the foundations and new people could learn a lot from it. There is already an established knowledge database about it (Liquipedia). That would help us a lot in more games in the future (i.e. SC2, because the game has just been published).
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I think an aspect of the popularity of bw/sc2 is also the availability of vods.
BW is going to suffer an even bigger hit with the demise of Jon747's channel on youtube, in recent times, baezzi's uploading was incredibly fast so you could see the hype threads for the OSL/SPL etc.. on TL, and then the next day go and watch the youtube replays, and still have that degree of hype going. (not everyone can stream so easily)
For the sc2 GSL, there were a million accounts being created on youtube uploading GSL games, and then you can just go to sites like dailymotion to find uploaded games.
Sc2 Vods and games are easier to come by, AND have all these casters to comentate on the games, and at that time casters who explain the game as well to keep you entertained...
Currently for broodwars, we can only appreciate the level of excitement heard from the korean commentators.... But more importantly (it's still early to tell who's going to upload stuff - hurrah for tl's nevake channel?! :D), is that it's going to be hard to watch any of the pro games if we can only stream and rely on reading people's descriptions in the tourney threads of each game.
wbrood isnt much of an option if ur not in/near china to stream youku clips easily...
gah
im still waiting for an awesome comeback from Bisu, but i think that even if he does, it'll go pretty unnoticed as most people will be too busy watching sc2 with rainbow coloured fruits in their eyes (not that that's a bad thing)
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On October 17 2010 19:56 worosei wrote:
I think an aspect of the popularity of bw/sc2 is also the availability of vods.
BW is going to suffer an even bigger hit with the demise of Jon747's channel on youtube, in recent times, baezzi's uploading was incredibly fast so you could see the hype threads for the OSL/SPL etc.. on TL, and then the next day go and watch the youtube replays, and still have that degree of hype going. (not everyone can stream so easily)
For the sc2 GSL, there were a million accounts being created on youtube uploading GSL games, and then you can just go to sites like dailymotion to find uploaded games.
Sc2 Vods and games are easier to come by, AND have all these casters to comentate on the games, and at that time casters who explain the game as well to keep you entertained...
Currently for broodwars, we can only appreciate the level of excitement heard from the korean commentators.... But more importantly (it's still early to tell who's going to upload stuff - hurrah for tl's nevake channel?! :D), is that it's going to be hard to watch any of the pro games if we can only stream and rely on reading people's descriptions in the tourney threads of each game.
wbrood isnt much of an option if ur not in/near china to stream youku clips easily...
gah
im still waiting for an awesome comeback from Bisu, but i think that even if he does, it'll go pretty unnoticed as most people will be too busy watching sc2 with rainbow coloured fruits in their eyes (not that that's a bad thing)
as if these guys compare to Bisu -_-
fear Bisu lost it tho.... ah well never liked the guy anyway in the savior era ^^
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wait, why does everybody talk solely about jon747? isn't nevake an equally reliable/quick source of BW VODs? : <
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