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[TL Subs] After Talk Scandal Aftermath ft. SangHo - Page 2
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Boonbag
France3318 Posts
Jesus all this work is fantastic. | ||
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SmiLeSE
Sweden58 Posts
I feel really sorry for SangHo, being accused for throwing games must be tough... | ||
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Vernom
Spain374 Posts
What the hell was that talk about e-sport schools? That doesnt have nothing to do with scandal match-fixing. | ||
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Boundz(DarKo)
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Senx
Sweden5901 Posts
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konadora
Singapore66071 Posts
On July 22 2010 21:47 Senx wrote: Sangho still didn't explain why he played like he did in that certain game, he just kept repeating that he didn't do it and nobody would throw away a game in that kind of a fashion.. it's going to be explained in part 2 | ||
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Brett
Australia3820 Posts
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Odoakar
Croatia1835 Posts
![[image loading]](http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/2771/0a901d557bb7421ba9c4f3f.png) So it's not the problem that the players are being treated poorly, and that nothing is being done about that, but the fact that they don't have the right to be unhappy about being treated like that because they knew what they were getting into. | ||
Milkis
5003 Posts
I thought their views on how players are treated and how it affects their actions were very naive, as well as their thought that this will never happen again. They want StarCraft to be treated like a sport, then they need to start treating their players like athletes, not dogs. They are being treated like Atheletes lol. I don't know what you're implying otherwise. In general though, Koreans have the attitude that "If I suffered through this, you should too", in terms of military service and other things. In terms of Progaming, conditions improved tremendously since the days of Boxer, then since the days of Kingdom, etc etc. It's been continually improving. On July 22 2010 22:34 Odoakar wrote: The part around 4:50 really didn't sit well with me. So it's not the problem that the players are being treated poorly, and that nothing is being done about that, but the fact that they don't have the right to be unhappy about being treated like that because they knew what they were getting into. What? They pretty much justify why those conditions are needed in there later on in the show. If you don't practice 10+ hours a day, you have zero chance. You go in there knowing about these things. In terms of conditions other than that, it's on probably on the level of top tier korean girl/boy bands in terms of treatment. What else is there to be done? Have them practice less and be less competitive as a team? | ||
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Varbind
Canada113 Posts
They either completely missed the point, or do so intentionally. I am glad it has gotten better from before, but that does not mean that it is acceptable now. If they want to ensure that this does not repeat, then they need to look hard at the salary structure they have right now. There are reasons why all professional sports have a league minimum. The korean pro teams need to do the research on this and not burry their heads in the sand. | ||
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Milkis
5003 Posts
On July 22 2010 23:16 Varbind wrote: It isn't the amount of practise, it is the fact that the vast majority of them are not well paid. Correct me if I am wrong, but the b teamers do not get paid at all? This is the treatment that needs to be addressed. They didn't resort to illegal gambling because of the amount they practise. They needed money. They either completely missed the point, or do so intentionally. I am glad it has gotten better from before, but that does not mean that it is acceptable now. If they want to ensure that this does not repeat, then they need to look hard at the salary structure they have right now. There are reasons why all professional sports have a league minimum. The korean pro teams need to do the research on this and not burry their heads in the sand. Except anyone who participated in match fixing weren't B teamers, and a lot of them were well paid people. Match Fixing was not caused by poor conditions. It's closer to progamers not being educated enough. B teamers, if they don't get paid, don't get paid because they produce little value. B teamers are here to make it to the big stages and then get paid there, not because they want to remain B teamers for life. They're here to gamble. It's their choice. Finally B Teamers likely don't get paid because they dont produce any advertising revenue. In the end, proteams aren't the one with the money, but the sponsors. What the sponsors say, goes. Nothing "proteams" can do about it. | ||
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r33k
Italy3402 Posts
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Varbind
Canada113 Posts
Now I know you are more in touch with the scene then I am, and I respect your opinion so please let me know what you think. When you think of the guys below: Justin, Hwasin, DarkElf,Yarnc, type-b, upmagic, ShinHwa, By.1st How much money did they make? I would think conditions do apply to them. These next two did better I think, but still not great? go.go, Luxury Which leaves of course Savior. For him I believe it was about greed. | ||
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On July 22 2010 23:31 r33k wrote: Thanks a lot for the translation, how recent is this by the way? Was this recorded before or after the Artosis interviews? This was filmed about a month ago if I'm correct. It's been out for a bit, and was taken probably well before Artosis' interview with Sangho. | ||
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r33k
Italy3402 Posts
On July 22 2010 23:55 Roffles wrote: This was filmed about a month ago if I'm correct. It's been out for a bit, and was taken probably well before Artosis' interview with Sangho. Ok thanks, I was wondering why Sangho didn't really mention oGs and living with Upmagic, but the insight from the journalist filled a lot of gaps in the general press information. | ||
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Milkis
5003 Posts
On July 22 2010 23:36 Varbind wrote: I believe (this is just my opinion) that it is the conditions. Is it fair to say that many of the players involved where near the end of their careers, and had not had significant success, and therefore money? Now I know you are more in touch with the scene then I am, and I respect your opinion so please let me know what you think. When you think of the guys below: Justin, Hwasin, DarkElf,Yarnc, type-b, upmagic, ShinHwa, By.1st How much money did they make? I would think conditions do apply to them. These next two did better I think, but still not great? go.go, Luxury Which leaves of course Savior. For him I believe it was about greed. Hwasin made quite a bit of money, I'm pretty sure. Most of the players in Hite fixed matches because Justin pretty much forced it on them. About Justin, he's just a douchebag overall -_-;;;;; Shinhwa, By.1st didn't fix matches, but just bet on the matches through information from Justin. They're retired players. Savior made nothing out of this, if we are to believe his testimony. The other players are decently known and I'm pretty sure they made a decent salary. Nothing Jaedong/Flash level, most likely | ||
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Varbind
Canada113 Posts
B team, well hell, I agree with your points you made. It is a gamble for them, fair enough. | ||
LosingID8
CA10824 Posts
On July 22 2010 23:36 Varbind wrote: I believe (this is just my opinion) that it is the conditions. Is it fair to say that many of the players involved where near the end of their careers, and had not had significant success, and therefore money? Now I know you are more in touch with the scene then I am, and I respect your opinion so please let me know what you think. When you think of the guys below: Justin, Hwasin, DarkElf,Yarnc, type-b, upmagic, ShinHwa, By.1st How much money did they make? I would think conditions do apply to them. These next two did better I think, but still not great? go.go, Luxury Which leaves of course Savior. For him I believe it was about greed. Lol hwasin was one of the top paid gamers with a salary of around 100k USD. Darkelf was on the air force team so of course he wouldn't get paid. Yarnc and upmagic had decent pay as well since they were on the main lineups for their teams and regularly qualified for leagues. I think shinhwa had already retired. Basically based on the players that were involved, half had nice salaries and the other half didn't. It doesn't support an argument based on salary. Furthermore although it would be ideal for all teams to have minimum salaries etc it just isn't feasible. Each of these teams are simply marketing tools for the huge companies they represent. If you never make a televised appearance due to your lack of skill why should they pay you more on top of housing and food? Also another thing to keep in mind is the poor economy lately | ||
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SoJu.WeRRa
Korea (South)820 Posts
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sluggaslamoo
Australia4494 Posts
Really sad story  | ||
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