EPTEverytime I watch one of these episodes they almost make me cry.
[TL Subs] After Talk Scandal Aftermath ft. SangHo - Page 3
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DemiSe
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Everytime I watch one of these episodes they almost make me cry. | ||
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faseman
Australia215 Posts
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Kerotan
England2109 Posts
I also respect Up a little more now, and it must be really tough for Sangho given his relationship with up. I'l be cheering for you hardcore when you play SC2 Sangho. Thank you TL sub team, you guys are great, I eagerly await part 2. | ||
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danbel1005
United States1319 Posts
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Varbind
Canada113 Posts
On July 23 2010 00:13 LosingID8 wrote: Yarnc and upmagic had decent pay as well since they were on the main lineups for their teams and regularly qualified for leagues. You are just assuming that they have good salaries so my point is incorrect? Interesting counter point. It is true that in order to know who is right or wrong here would require significant investigation into the actual amounts of money these guys received and compare it to the average salary in Korea. I do not have the time to do that, so I asked Milkis if he did. I would still love it if someone took the time to actually figure out what these guys get and posted it. It is really the only way we will be able to judge this situation properly. | ||
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Caos2
United States1728 Posts
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Milkis
5003 Posts
On July 23 2010 01:56 Varbind wrote: You are just assuming that they have good salaries so my point is incorrect? Interesting counter point. It is true that in order to know who is right or wrong here would require significant investigation into the actual amounts of money these guys received and compare it to the average salary in Korea. I do not have the time to do that, so I asked Milkis if he did. I would still love it if someone took the time to actually figure out what these guys get and posted it. It is really the only way we will be able to judge this situation properly. Salaries aren't exactly public knowledge. It's not available in most cases. Secondly, LID8's assumptions are pretty correct. Most A teamers who do well are paid very well, so it wouldn't exactly help your point. I'm sure "greed" is a factor into it. You're waving money to kids, after all, who don't know much about money. And I'm sure, to an extent, salary is an issue (ie if i made 300K a year i wouldn't risk being caught in some scandal), but to say "their living conditions was the main issue" is rather misleading and stupid. Then again, I'm not surprised since nearly everyone ate up that bullshit yellow journalism posted about progamer conditions -_- | ||
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moopie
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On July 23 2010 01:56 Varbind wrote: You are just assuming that they have good salaries so my point is incorrect? Interesting counter point. It is true that in order to know who is right or wrong here would require significant investigation into the actual amounts of money these guys received and compare it to the average salary in Korea. I do not have the time to do that, so I asked Milkis if he did. I would still love it if someone took the time to actually figure out what these guys get and posted it. It is really the only way we will be able to judge this situation properly. What does it matter? they got a salary. They made a mistake, they paid for it. They're making the best of it now and moving on. I don't see how saying "well, they got 20% less than other workers their age..." would make any difference. Look at Savior. The guy was was one of the best payed progamers, and he was the greediest of them all. Their paychecks are meaningless. They didn't do this because they "needed money" (as you claimed in your other post). It was just a matter of seeing an opprotunity (that to them looked like a low risk one) and taking it. | ||
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Varbind
Canada113 Posts
On July 23 2010 02:09 Milkis wrote: Salaries aren't exactly public knowledge. It's not available in most cases. . . . rather misleading and stupid. So you don't know how much they make, you assume, then call what I am saying stupid. Wow, touched all the bases on that one. P.S. Still love you for all the translating  | ||
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MangoTango
United States3670 Posts
 The end references a part 2, is it up/subbed yet? Thanks for part 1! :D | ||
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QuickStriker
United States3694 Posts
But as I watch this, I realized just how I understand the Korean nicely and I could also have translated English. But the translation was good so I'm not needed but I feel like maybe I should commit myself to join or do future projects alone like this even though I have no clue how to code them and all. Still, good job! | ||
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sukila
Germany57 Posts
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HeadhunteR
Argentina1258 Posts
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Tomken
Norway1144 Posts
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sukila
Germany57 Posts
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
Look, it's the betting sites' fault! The players aren't totally accountable! It's only these 11 players! The coaches couldn't have known! All pro gamers are treated fine! This can never happen again! I know burying your head in the sand is embedded in the Korean business world, it's just kind of rough watching it here as well. Anyways, great job guys. | ||
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GhoSt[shield]
Canada2131 Posts
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Milkis
5003 Posts
Thanks a lot for translating this, but it's kind of annoying to listen to what seem like extremely underdeveloped opinions. There are certain things in the past where they've had underdeveloped opinions (Uhm talking about Blizzard KeSPA? -_____-) but this honestly isn't one of them. You have to catch on to the subtleties i guess. Look, it's the betting sites' fault! The players aren't totally accountable! They said the cause of this was the betting sites, but Kim Carrier definitely says that the players are accountable for their sins because what they did was definitely wrong. They never said anything to that degree. It's only these 11 players! The coaches couldn't have known! What are they going to say, "There's more" when they have zero evidence? Or "there may be more" which will stir up the community a lot more than it has already, based on no evidence? They're optimistic about it, and remember, they're going to believe everyone unless there is concrete evidence. There's no need for them to start a witchhunt by saying anythign more. All it's going to do is create more Sanghos -_- All pro gamers are treated fine! They have never said this. In fact, they state the exact opposite saying that pro gamers go into the field knowing that they'll be treated badly. The reason they brought this up was because they were arguing that it's rather limited to say that "it was the harsh conditions that made them fix matches", but that it's a more complicated argument than that. They talk about this exact thing for a few moments. This can never happen again! Well, yeah. They're not saying it's actually impossible for it to happen again, they're saying that it should never happen again, and now that they know it can happen they can try and put a stop to it. I honestly don't understand what your issues are. I don't see a salespitch at all -- they're being optimistic about things. | ||
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SynC[gm]
United States3127 Posts
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Sprouter
United States1724 Posts
looking forward to part 2. | ||
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