EPTAre the matches going to be played in Bo5s? And judging by how close all the matches are players wont have much preparation time in between. =/
Proleague playoffs
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
Are the matches going to be played in Bo5s? And judging by how close all the matches are players wont have much preparation time in between. =/ | ||
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Origami
United States266 Posts
EDIT: Yeah it's a Bo3 of Bo7s http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=101969 | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
Wow this means no more super ace deciding everything, but also that any team with #3-6 will be prolly way too exhausted to challenge #2 or #1 | ||
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samachking
Bahrain4949 Posts
That's a real shame, I really missed the super ace part, which was epic considering every match in the playoffs with the exception of the finals reached the super ace, which was epic. | ||
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r3z3nd3
Brazil522 Posts
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
If so good riddance | ||
p4NDemik
United States13896 Posts
On July 03 2010 04:22 arb wrote: Wasnt super ACE that atrocious, even if you were losing both of the other games you could still win that because of it ? If so good riddance No, but a team could lose one match 0-4 and then come back and win the next match 4-3, and if they won the Super-Ace match then they would still move on despite being 5-7 aggregate. | ||
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
Let's say you win 4-3, lose 4-0, and then win 4-3. You lost 10-8 on aggregate but you win the match. I guess the same thing can happen in tennis though, and it's nowhere near as bad as the super ace format. | ||
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Megalisk
United States6095 Posts
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Confuse
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geegee1
United States618 Posts
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So no fek
United States3001 Posts
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ArvickHero
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baller
527 Posts
1-4 (ur best player wins 1) 4-3 (ur best player wins 2, ur other players win 2) 1-0 super ace u win!! thats not a team league -_- | ||
Jonvvv
Norway1530 Posts
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Ideas
United States8098 Posts
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KimchiFriedRice
Canada237 Posts
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p4NDemik
United States13896 Posts
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nbaker
United States1341 Posts
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LosingID8
CA10828 Posts
On July 03 2010 09:16 nbaker wrote: I don't like that the playoffs are best of 7. The entire proleague is best of 5, so it doesn't makes sense that they change that in the finals. It's like adding 20 yards to the field in the superbowl. I don't even like that they play bo3, but I mind it much less than the fact that each match is bo7 because it doesnt fundamentally change how the matches are played. how about individual leagues that have bo3 in the ro8 but bo5 in the semis/finals? | ||
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Jugan
United States1566 Posts
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
On July 03 2010 09:16 nbaker wrote: I don't like that the playoffs are best of 7. The entire proleague is best of 5, so it doesn't makes sense that they change that in the finals. It's like adding 20 yards to the field in the superbowl. I don't even like that they play bo3, but I mind it much less than the fact that each match is bo7 because it doesnt fundamentally change how the matches are played. Bo7 encourages the weaker players of each team to shine. I fail to see a problem with this. | ||
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Soap
Brazil1546 Posts
On July 03 2010 09:37 Lightwip wrote: Bo7 encourages the weaker players of each team to shine. I fail to see a problem with this. Sucks for the audience though. Are all games played in the same broadcast? I love BW as everyone but to watch up to 21 matches in a row would make my eyes bleed. I think the ideal would be 2 Bo5 plus a Bo3 tiebraker. Bo7 feels bland as the first matches are more about gaining an advantage and less about facing imminent defeat. Superace is ridiculous indeed. | ||
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LosingID8
CA10828 Posts
On July 03 2010 10:00 Fields wrote: Sucks for the audience though. Are all games played in the same broadcast? I love BW as everyone but to watch up to 21 matches in a row would make my eyes bleed. I think the ideal would be 2 Bo5 plus a Bo3 tiebraker. Bo7 feels bland as the first matches are more about gaining an advantage and less about facing imminent defeat. Superace is ridiculous indeed. no they're done on separate days, think of 1st and 2nd leg in football | ||
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Soap
Brazil1546 Posts
On July 03 2010 10:01 LosingID8 wrote: no they're done on separate days, think of 1st and 2nd leg in football Thats nice, thanks. | ||
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textbook
Korea (North)129 Posts
On July 03 2010 10:01 LosingID8 wrote: no they're done on separate days, think of 1st and 2nd leg in football Off topic, but I thought football (soccer) is played in halves and the total score is used to determine the outcome. Enlighten this Canadian with no knowledge of football. | ||
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rainei
Canada1316 Posts
hehe jk, Yes, a single football game is divided into two halves, but in many competitions, each match takes place over 2 games, ie. a first and second leg. The total amount of goals determines the winner, and if it's tied, whoever has more away goals wins. | ||
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CynanMachae
Canada1459 Posts
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29 fps
United States5724 Posts
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eshlow
United States5210 Posts
Basically you gotta win 11 games combined. | ||
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anch
United States5457 Posts
But, first to 4 and additional 2 point lead. It could go on forever, but fuck yea. | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21243 Posts
On July 03 2010 05:12 p4NDemik wrote: No, but a team could lose one match 0-4 and then come back and win the next match 4-3, and if they won the Super-Ace match then they would still move on despite being 5-7 aggregate. See: Samsung KHAN's bullshit >: ( | ||
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nextstep
Canada705 Posts
 Calm down  a win is a win. but i agree that a third best of 7 instead of a super ace is better. however, people will find ways to complain anyways: day 1 KHAN 4 - 3 STX day 2 KHAN 0 - 4 STX day 3 KHAN 4 - 3 STX total: KHAN 8, STX 10 new format, same result can occur (one game disparity less). | ||
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Nick_54
United States2230 Posts
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nbaker
United States1341 Posts
On July 03 2010 09:21 LosingID8 wrote: how about individual leagues that have bo3 in the ro8 but bo5 in the semis/finals? Maybe it's a double standard, but I feel there is a difference. Bo3 vs Bo5 in individual league has the same players playing more games so the stronger Bo3 player should be stronger in Bo5 (There are players who seem to do better in one format than the other, admittedly.) whereas a team that's strong in the regular season with the Bo5 system may be weak in the post season with the Bo7 format because they do not have a strong fifth player. I understand the Bo7 rewards depth more than Bo5, but then why not make regular season games Bo7 and keep it the same in the post season? Someone made the argument that it allows new players a chance to compete, but do we really want our playoffs filled with games from new players with next to no experience due to them not being viable in the regular season format? Overall, I think that they are trying to make the playoffs grander using the Bo7 format but it is a bad solution because: 1) It changes what it takes to win a match in the post season compared to the regular season 2) It leads to rookie players with no experience getting played at a time when only the best players on the team should be fielded | ||
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QuakerOats
United States1024 Posts
On July 04 2010 01:23 nbaker wrote: Maybe it's a double standard, but I feel there is a difference. Bo3 vs Bo5 in individual league has the same players playing more games so the stronger Bo3 player should be stronger in Bo5 (There are players who seem to do better in one format than the other, admittedly.) whereas a team that's strong in the regular season with the Bo5 system may be weak in the post season with the Bo7 format because they do not have a strong fifth player. I understand the Bo7 rewards depth more than Bo5, but then why not make regular season games Bo7 and keep it the same in the post season? Someone made the argument that it allows new players a chance to compete, but do we really want our playoffs filled with games from new players with next to no experience due to them not being viable in the regular season format? Overall, I think that they are trying to make the playoffs grander using the Bo7 format but it is a bad solution because: 1) It changes what it takes to win a match in the post season compared to the regular season 2) It leads to rookie players with no experience getting played at a time when only the best players on the team should be fielded I agree, and winners league complicates it too. Look at MBC vs Woongjin, I think most people would agree that Woongjin would probably win a bo7. And yet MBC advanced, thanks largely to winners league, and Woongjin didn't because they don't have a consistent ace. It's stupid to have playoffs reward a different thing than the regular season. At least the super ace system made it closer to the regular season format, but now that it's gone it's basically a different game. So now we're gonna have to see a bunch of crappy players because the teams which have a better chance of making the playoffs are the ones with 1-2 really good players, not the ones with depth. | ||
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
On July 03 2010 14:47 nextstep wrote: Calm down a win is a win. but i agree that a third best of 7 instead of a super ace is better. however, people will find ways to complain anyways: day 1 KHAN 4 - 3 STX day 2 KHAN 0 - 4 STX day 3 KHAN 4 - 3 STX total: KHAN 8, STX 10 new format, same result can occur (one game disparity less). Seems more deserved than the super ace in my opinion. | ||
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Woyn
United Kingdom1628 Posts
On July 03 2010 10 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 03 2010 10 end_of_the_skype_highlighting:44 textbook wrote: Off topic, but I thought football (soccer) is played in halves and the total score is used to determine the outcome. Enlighten this Canadian with no knowledge of football. If 2 teams play a home and an away match to each and the aggregate score is say 4-4, the team that scored the most Away goals will win. | ||
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Severedevil
United States4838 Posts
That's gonna be brutal for the players, depending on just how spread out it is. Haha KT has to practice for one Bo7 and every other team has to practice for at least four... | ||
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TrainedDrumMunkey
United Kingdom4 Posts
I will be in Seoul from 25th to 30th of July on a conference (first Asia trip ever). Does anyone know the venue for the playoffs, 3rd/6th Winner vs 4th/5th Winner on the 25th (Day 2) and 27th (possible Day 3)? I gather from Elric's/NeverGG's [PIX-GUIDE] that this will not be held at the usual stadiums, so if anyone has details on where to go, I'd be very grateful. Is the venue even decided yet or will it depend on the teams that actually get to this round? Anyone in Seoul planning to go along and doesn't mind bringing another 'foreign' face for the cameras to focus on? Cheers, TDM | ||
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swanized
Canada2480 Posts
I don't like finals being 1 bo7 but oh well | ||
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endy
Switzerland8970 Posts
On July 09 2010 11:52 swanized wrote: can someone explain me whats superace and how it worked. I don't like finals being 1 bo7 but oh well Super Ace was played if one team wins day1 the other team wins day2. It was garbage. T_T bo7 is a good occasion to see Boxer play ! | ||
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swanized
Canada2480 Posts
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Severedevil
United States4838 Posts
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9858 Posts
3vs6 Best of 7 -Win 2 matches or 1 win + Super ace 4vs5 Best of 7 -Win 2 matches or 1 win + Super ace Super Ace if it's tied at 1-1 *Super ace is 1 game played winner takes all only played when game is tied 1-1. Winner of 3vs6 & 4vs5 -Win 2 matches or 1 win + Super ace Winner of 3vs6 & 4vs5 vs 2 -Win 2 matches or 1 win + Super ace Winner of 3vs6 & 4vs5 & 2 vs 1 (Grand Final) Bo7 1 match. I like the idea since theres more hype around 1 match in Grand Finals. | ||
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9858 Posts
On July 09 2010 13:15 Lightwip wrote: This new format is really nice, I like it. We get more games, which is good. I would just like to say the format was the exact same last year except the finals was a bo3 bo7 instead of 1 bo7, therefore we get less games. | ||
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APurpleCow
United States1372 Posts
On July 09 2010 13:15 Lightwip wrote: This new format is really nice, I like it. We get more games, which is good. I definitely preferred last year's format. I prolly won't care at all about half the players sent in the Bo7s and many of the games will be boring due to lack of player skill/finesse/style. Super ace was very tense. | ||
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
On July 09 2010 14:06 Skillz_Man wrote: I would just like to say the format was the exact same last year except the finals was a bo3 bo7 instead of 1 bo7, therefore we get less games. None of this post is correct. | ||
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