|
5003 Posts
The Fortress ![[image loading]](http://www.fomos.kr/board/issue/1274935586_1.jpg)
Type: Tactical Brawl Map
Players: 4 Players (3,6,9,12 o clock)
Size: 128 x 128
Tileset: Jungle World
Concept: A four player brawl map created only by grass and castle walls. It contains special island expansions where only workers can go through.
Traits:
- The main and the natural and everything else is simply grass surrounded by castle walls, so it gives the feeling of the map's title, "Fortress"
- At the map's diagonal extremes are four island expansions with a special door where only workers can go through by clicking on a mineral.
- The Island Expo will be very safe to take early so you'll relatively able to obtain advanced tech units more quickly and have faster games.
- The rush distance is relatively close, and since the Natural is a basin, you cannot slow the tension from the beginning. We expect fast games.
- The Island expansions have 1000 minerals, 1500 gas.
Rush Distance, from Main Bases: Vertical, Horizontal, 27 seconds, Diagonal 35 seconds.
Main: 9 Mineral, 1 Gas
Natural: 7 Mineral, 1 Gas
Middle Gas Expansion, 7 Mineral, 1 Gas
Island Expansion, 7 Mineral, 1 Gas.
Grand Line SE 2.0 ![[image loading]](http://www.fomos.kr/board/issue/1274935586_2.jpg)
Source: http://www.fomos.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=107145&db=issue&cate=&page=1&field=&kwrd=
|
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
What will they replace?
And I'm not sold on Fortress. But we'll see.
|
The Fortress
Design inspired by Google Chrome: with wings.
(or possibly a super pokeball)
|
United States33699 Posts
fortress is like triatha-tau-longinu-guillotine
|
holly crap those are gigantic mains. and huge space behind nat minerals. expecting a lot of in base/in natural proxies.
and can someone lay out the differences between grandline 1.0 and 2.0?
|
|
|
so... how are you supposed to win at TvP on Fortress?
TvZ looks like it would be easier than Python, lol
|
i think fortress will favor 2 gates from toss quite a bit? it looks kinda like longinus only with a gigantic pokeball thing in the middle
|
|
|
Canada5565 Posts
Fortress looks really...simple. But good for protoss.
|
Fortress has no ramps, 4 island bases that don't even require a Shuttle to get to (island bases are much much better for P in PvT), a wide open center, and a wide open natural choke. All the ingredients for a PvT haven - this should be interesting.
|
Fortress looks like a Shuriken lol
|
I remember when maps were visually appealing.
|
fortress looks so fucking weird to try to play on lol. main's/nats are really close air distance so 2-hatch muta might be really really good on it, but i dont know if a terran will ever be sent out on it lol
and wow 9 and 3 o clock look 5x easier to defend vs muta harass than 12 and 6
|
Fortress doesn't look very good for TvP.
|
On May 27 2010 14:29 Ideas wrote:
and wow 9 and 3 o clock look 5x easier to defend vs muta harass than 12 and 6
Why the minerals don't always either all face the wall or all not the face wall for every starting position on every map is beyond me.
Like, shouldn't it be a basic prerequisite for a new map? The difference in ZvT is ENORMOUS.
|
fortress looks pretty cool. those island expansions are a cool idea
|
Why is there so much empty space behind the naturals at 3 and 9 oclock positions?
|
Fortress reminds me of R-Point idk why
|
good to have alot of Ps in your fpl team then.. a the Terran advantage of the last maps is being put down in these new ones.
|
Fortress doesn't seem good for TvZ either. Consider: Zerg can get 3-4 gas bases up easily and by using mutas can prevent Terran from abusing that same option. I think Terran should be able to strike with a devastating midgame push, but if the Zerg can use mutas well, they should be able to stall until Hive tech kicks in, then beat the Terran back.
and how does Fortress remind you of R-point???
|
The Fortress looks interestingly weird lol ...
Looking forward to new exciting build on this map
|
I cant wait to see flash try to slice fortress in half with a tank line.
|
Proleague is definitely expecting to go on much longer than I personally expected it too. I guess they're just definitely waiting for the release of SC2.
|
On May 27 2010 15:25 Two_DoWn wrote:
I cant wait to see flash try to slice fortress in half with a tank line.
I look at maps all the time and just imagine Flash splitting the map with 3-3 tanks.
|
10387 Posts
Why did they change the ramps for Grand Line?
|
Fortress was designed specifically so that KT can win proleague (flash turtle map)
|
fortress looks like its going to be a problem, no 3rd mineral only base thats in your flow of expansion
3rd gas is wayyyyyyyy exposed to the middle
|
I love fortress purely because of how gay some of my mech builds in tvz are :D
|
On May 27 2010 14:12 Xxio wrote:
Fortress looks really...simple. But good for protoss.
On May 27 2010 14:31 Garnet wrote:
Fortress doesn't look very good for TvP.
The return of Bisu...
fuck it! WE WANT BACKHO!
|
Russian Federation405 Posts
What map will replace the Fortress?
____________
BTW, thanks Milkis for all of your recent translations! 
|
Hong Kong20321 Posts
fortress is like pioneer / cultivation period - _-a super short rush distances
|
I'd just like to point out the new nats mean weaker mutas but more room for drops!
And uh... it looks bad for T considering the only places prone to ground vultures are easily choke off-able and the corner expos are worker only. I don't get all the yay mech and terran comments ~_~. Even the area you leave your natural from is super open and widens up so fast.
Might become a PvP fest map.
Looks like Longinus and Python... and remove everything that made the maps good for T lol.
Still waiting forward to seeing bigger maps instead of cutting off mobility on 128x128.
|
Didn't they play Fortress in WCG 2009 or some other arrangement in 2009? Pretty sure I've seen it quite some time ago, but might have been the PL map testing I guess.
|
9071 Posts
finally, a flat map again
|
Protoss favored maps: good for Khan, STX and KT.
|
On May 27 2010 20:14 tYsopz wrote:
Didn't they play Fortress in WCG 2009 or some other arrangement in 2009? Pretty sure I've seen it quite some time ago, but might have been the PL map testing I guess.
They announced a beta version of it but nothing came of it until now
|
For anyone wondering the changes between Grand Line 1.0 and 2.0
Grand Line 1.0
+ Show Spoiler +
Grand Line 2.0
+ Show Spoiler +
Seems they swapped the positions of the middle ramps, and rotated the expos minerals.
|
On May 27 2010 16:11 Scaramanga wrote:
I love fortress purely because of how gay some of my mech builds in tvz are :D
:D
|
PvZ on Fortress? Oh, baby.
I'm curious about PvT. Close positions and cramped spaces, plus an expansion path from one base to the other, conventionally favor Terran. But flat maps enhance early dragoon play (particularly with the close positions!) and islands generally favor Protoss... but at the same time some of the advantages of islands - the easy of defense with cannons or carriers - are limited on Fortress, because the cannons can be shelled, while carriers will be hard to tech on such a small map...
Overall, I like the look of Fortress, because it appears to provide options. Close rush positions --> can attack. Island expansions --> can expand without a dominant ground army. Central expansions --> can expand against harass if you have a dominant ground army. And so forth.
I'm reminded of Outsider.
|
It's a poke ball obviously.
|
51691 Posts
On May 27 2010 14:02 tree.hugger wrote:
What will they replace?
And I'm not sold on Fortress. But we'll see.
Roadrunner has been the map replaced by Fortress.
|
Fortress looks like it will make for some very wierd games. The corner expands will allow for zerg to take early 3rd+4th bases without any risk. with sunkens at their nat.
The main+nat are very unfriendly to muta harass though being so open, so we'll see what race is used on it the most.
Grand line is going to rape zerg though, with no easy 3rd gas. Unless zergs find a way to claim another main/nat as their early 3rd, but it just seems like they're too far apart to be able to hold it.
|
Needs moar Checkmate imo.
|
On May 29 2010 09:51 Kyuukyuu wrote:
Needs moar Checkmate imo.
agreed. Checkmate "looked" awesome.
|
United States47024 Posts
Something worth noting: workers seem to be able to path into the corner bases of the Fortress, but there doesn't seem to be minerals on the other side to get them OUT.
I suspect that if you drop two tanks in there, the base will be pretty hard to save.
EDIT: I also wonder if it's possible to glitch a vulture in there with some mine-laying shenanigans...
|
Seems like TvP will be tough on Fortress. Island expansions, lack of ramp, huge open sapce for easy flanks...
TvZ should be ok if Terran survives 2 hatch muta which potentially can be deadly due to short distance.
Also, how come I haven't seen any posts saying that "Tanks will be imba" on Fortress?!
|
On May 29 2010 10:02 TheYango wrote:
Something worth noting: workers seem to be able to path into the corner bases of the Fortress, but there doesn't seem to be minerals on the other side to get them OUT.
I suspect that if you drop two tanks in there, the base will be pretty hard to save.
EDIT: I also wonder if it's possible to glitch a vulture in there with some mine-laying shenanigans...
You can just right click on your main minerals to get them out
|
konadora
Singapore66364 Posts
YAY \o/
I HOPE MATCH POINT GETS REPLACED
On May 29 2010 09:26 GTR wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2010 14:02 tree.hugger wrote:
What will they replace?
And I'm not sold on Fortress. But we'll see. Roadrunner has been the map replaced by Fortress.
NOOOO FFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-
|
On May 29 2010 09:26 GTR wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2010 14:02 tree.hugger wrote:
What will they replace?
And I'm not sold on Fortress. But we'll see. Roadrunner has been the map replaced by Fortress.
Excellent. Roadrunner was my least favorite map of the last two years. Yes, that includes Battle Royale.
The map looks pretty cool, though for some reason Fortress reminds me of a flat Andromeda.
EDIT: And where do you put down a 3rd on Fortress? That's going to cause problems for some Zs.
|
konadora
Singapore66364 Posts
On May 29 2010 10:51 Musoeun wrote:
EDIT: And where do you put down a 3rd on Fortress? That's going to cause problems for some Zs.
corners
|
Will we, the foreign groundling-fans ever be able to play on these maps (where can I get'em)
|
konadora
Singapore66364 Posts
On May 29 2010 11:16 bITt.mAN wrote:
Will we, the foreign groundling-fans ever be able to play on these maps (where can I get'em)
wait til Round 5 starts
|
United States11393 Posts
On May 29 2010 10:46 konadora wrote:YAY \o/ I HOPE MATCH POINT GETS REPLACED Show nested quote +On May 29 2010 09:26 GTR wrote:On May 27 2010 14:02 tree.hugger wrote:
What will they replace?
And I'm not sold on Fortress. But we'll see. Roadrunner has been the map replaced by Fortress. NOOOO FFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-
Yeh, I feel the same way, Kona.
ZvP was so sexy there.
Also, why hasn't Match Point died yet. Fuck.
|
On May 29 2010 10:02 TheYango wrote:
EDIT: I also wonder if it's possible to glitch a vulture in there with some mine-laying shenanigans...
Maybe, but it will be hard since there are two "gates" to get through rather than just one
|
On May 29 2010 10:55 konadora wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2010 10:51 Musoeun wrote:
EDIT: And where do you put down a 3rd on Fortress? That's going to cause problems for some Zs. corners
Wait, I'm suddenly considering.
Are there builds where a Zerg could manage to fake a 2-hatch build while actually going 3-hatch? Or similar fakes... I don't know the game well enough to really tell.
|
FORTRESS???????? LOLOLOL..
wait it looks better than that trash from before. lol
if checkmate made it, im auto terran.
|
The Fortress looks hilarious.
|
what happened to 2/3 player maps?
|
Matchpoint sucks so hard. . Wish they got rid of it.
TBH though I didn't like Roadrunner much either.
|
is that the chrome logo in the middle of the Fortress map?
|
konadora
Singapore66364 Posts
On May 29 2010 13:53 BloodDrunK wrote:
is that the chrome logo in the middle of the Fortress map?
Google 10-11 Proleague
|
10387 Posts
Aww I liked Roadrunner, there were some EPIC TvZs on that map.. Match Point on the other hand I really tire of :\
|
I'd love to see some 9minpush on fortress, witht that close distance zergs will have a hard time getting ready for it :O
|
Replace judgement day, its a boring macro map.
|
|
|
When I first looked at it I thought about Pokemon.
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/images/6/64/Grand_Line.jpg)
