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iNfeRnaL
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On May 19 2010 04:35 Saracen wrote:My only criticism is it that according to the interview, it seems like Snow did quite a bit in preparing the build, not the coaching staff.
Maybe it wasn't clear enough, but in the end I did in fact congratulate Snow for the perfect execution and sure the player is part of creating the strategy, but the coaches always give them advice. It just seemed too much for one (especially such a young) person to come up with in one week. But you might be right, I don't know.
Show nested quote +Even better was the fact that he recalled the 5 o clock to clean up small chunks of Flashes force that he previously drew there with his DT's - again - perfect planning. And I think you meant 10 o' clock, unless there's a part of the game I just don't remember. (5 o'clock was Snow's main?)
You're right, my bad. 
Edit: fixed the 10/11 o'clock typo, was only once tho, I first stated it correctly with 11o'clock and fucked up in the 2nd mention.
Thx for pointing it out tho, might've confused some readers.
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Wow what you said just made my heart beat. and i was awing :O
Man that is brilliant play.
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The opening was simple and genius at the same time, I never admired a single zealot that much.
That zealot, plus alternative expoing was basically GG right there coz Flash's expo was way too late. Don't forget that this was a rax-CC build, which makes it even more painful since the entire gameplan was relying on getting that expo early. His army power was sacrificed to get the expo earlier and then he ended up with neither of the two.
Props to Snow for not fucking anything up and doing what he did.
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great analysis infernal
i especially like the very early game decision by snow, after his pylon before core, to place the core and pylon in the spot where the eventual stargates would be. that really set up the fake carrier switch since it showed both cores were researching at that time.
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This is what makes me love this game! I haven't actually seen the game yet, but read the analysis anyway. And watching the game afterwards makes me SO excited! ^^ There is SO much thinking around Starcraft. There is not just go in, play game and leave. Strategy is REALLY part of it. I haven't seen any other game where the strategy one is using can be so important. It's so fun to watch ^_^
Great analysis btw! 
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I wonder how much Snow prepared for this... remember when Skyhigh sniped Jaedong w/ that special proxy rax cheese build on destination? Didn't he say he practiced 2 weeks straight for that matchup?
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I liked alot how snow executed his carier switch. Just threatening flash with them but not completly switching his whle army for carriers.
I would like to mention some other things that is snow do brillantly in his game, how it was clear he completly knew what flash was thinking.
The scouting partner is, imo the bigest thing that mindfucked flash. Not only his great decision to expo at 6 threw flash off. But he also opted to expand at 9 instead of the 7 nat in the mid game. You can see flash's vultures arriving at the 7 nat at the exact timing when it should be going up, just to see nothing.
Also, while we are on the vulture point. Notice the abnormal lack of vulture harrass by flash. SNow sealed it completly, in the early game with goon position, but in the late game with his whole army position, he was blocking vultures from decending the left lane of the map with a group of goons, and threatening a major break the whole game, so flah had to keep his vultures in position. that is I think, the main point of taking the 11 main. to get gateway here and be able to punish vulture bad position with a major counter, zealots charging into tanks from the hight ground is always good.
I might be wrong about things cause i only saw it live and didn't stop to watch the vods.
but yeah, ireally like how you put the points together, snow played a really hudge game, camping into flash head.
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I do not doubt Snow's cleverness in this game, but if Flash continued to turtle to protect his upper left expansions instead of losing his mech army attacking south... Also, even during that attack, it looked like his tanks just didn't seige in time before the Snow's zealots reached them. It just seems to me a cautious Flash still feels unbeatable even with all the mindgames the opponent brings.
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This thread to be featured on the front page, it was a great match, and it was awesome to see someone unseat flash.
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Thanks for the analysis, watch the game and had a blast
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After this game happened, I was kind of dissapointed that Flash wasn't facing a Protoss in either of his finals. You gotta think most Ps are going to study this game in their preparation for The Ultimate Weapon.
Great job, Snow!
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Yeah, it was a really good game by Snow, but please don't weaken your point by claiming Snow did not intend to mine at 10. He built a Nexus therefore he did. There's no upside to making your opponent think you want to mine that expo.
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That was an awesome match and Flash was coming back in if it weren't for some of his mistakes such as the panic siege against those zealots.
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How do you guys feel about game 1 of the match?
+ Show Spoiler +I mean Effort was obviously not prepared as a snipe on Flash, but watching the game, how prepared did you guys think he was? Anything peculiar about his strategies?
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I haven't actually seen the game yet, but I knew the results and I don't mind being spoiled much. The analysis sounds very strong and legitimate. I agree with you when you say
Hadn't Snow actually won the game, a lot of people would be left with a "why the fuck did the coaches send out Snow anyway?"
whether Snow played well or not. I'm going to watch the game today.
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Could someone please upload it as a VOD? I can't watch Youtube videos right now for some reason 
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totally agree with everything you wrote, especially about CJ coaching staff being f'in awesome. I see similarities between this game and the movie vs flash osl finals game 1, with similar mind games being played to force flash into a defensive style (early robo ebay + turrets while toss double expands). it's just that in Snow's game, I felt like they drew out the gameplan even further, whereas with movie it on HBR it was more like, k our gameplan will leave you with 6 bases vs 3 there's no way u should be able to lose, go run him over... which movie tried to do but failed. Snow's gameplan was more extensive, with detailed strategies designed even for the late late game (ie tech switch, 11olcock nexus).
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On May 19 2010 07:45 m4gdelen4 wrote:How do you guys feel about game 1 of the match? + Show Spoiler +I mean Effort was obviously not prepared as a snipe on Flash, but watching the game, how prepared did you guys think he was? Anything peculiar about his strategies?
+ Show Spoiler +i just really liked how he didn't try to overwhelm flash or take over his territory but was perfectly content to hold a certain piece of ground (near the 6 and the 7) and refuse any more territorial expansion for flash. that plus good dropship defense led to effort having twice as many bases as flash in the late game
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