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[Spoilers] Some thoughts about a recent PL match - Page 2

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Graham
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada1259 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-18 16:09:31
May 18 2010 16:08 GMT
#21
On MaY 19 2010 00:57 StylishVODs wrote:
This is the ReasoN why it's so good to have atleast 2 players capable of playing in the aCe match...


Yeah was Just about to say myself.

I almost wish KT had a second solid player (not saying fOrGG/Stats/Violet/HoeJJa are terrible or anything but they seem to play seemingly inconsistant at times) to send out for their ACE. The fact that people KNOW Flash is going to come out in the ACE match allows them to prepare these ultimate Flash-slaying builds (Snow's build, as well as the build prepared by fantasy/SKT a few weeks ago).

I suppose KT is just starting to lose its luster a bit as people are exploiting the fact that KT seems to win and lose on the shoulders of Flash as the other 4 can be unreliable at times.

Otherwise, I agree with everything in the OP - great article.
dangots0ul
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States919 Posts
May 18 2010 16:14 GMT
#22
wow smart stuff from a smart man. "Recommended Games" said Effort vs Flash was the one to watch... now i have to watch this one. Thanks for to long write up, really really enlightening... mind games have some part to play in this game and can contribute in taking down perfected macro machines
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lone_hydra
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada1460 Posts
May 18 2010 16:39 GMT
#23
On May 19 2010 01:14 dangots0ul wrote:
wow smart stuff from a smart man. "Recommended Games" said Effort vs Flash was the one to watch... now i have to watch this one. Thanks for to long write up, really really enlightening... mind games have some part to play in this game and can contribute in taking down perfected macro machines


I think Snow vs. Flash is a better game. I feel Flash was the one who lost game 1 based on some really bad moves.

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3 marines+scv+bunker lost for 5 lings early game, gave away 4 marines for no reason, half full dropship lost to scourge in base, full dropship lost to lings, 0 damage done, 3-4 lings killed, teched to valks assuming effort was going for mutas, no anti air by late-mid game


Effort played as well as you can vs. mech but then finished the game with ultras vs. mech to finish a game but thats because he already had a huge lead as Day{9} mentions.
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SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
May 18 2010 16:55 GMT
#24
On May 19 2010 00:06 SubtleArt wrote:
Flash wasn't on his game that series. Even the game vs effort was bad


Actually it's because Flash played like he always does Snow was able to execute everything so perfectly.
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
iNfeRnaL *
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Germany1908 Posts
May 18 2010 17:10 GMT
#25
On May 19 2010 01:55 SuperArc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2010 00:06 SubtleArt wrote:
Flash wasn't on his game that series. Even the game vs effort was bad


Actually it's because Flash played like he always does Snow was able to execute everything so perfectly.

Couldn't have said that better.
SuperJongMan
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Jamaica11586 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-18 17:19:26
May 18 2010 17:13 GMT
#26
You know what's super cute? I mean, yeah the 2 zealot was badass, I think a lot caught onto that.
But when Flash was scouting Snow's expo, usually you keep 2 goons to prevent SCV from scouting... well Snow showed him the blank natural and kept only 1 goon. That was super cute too.
Then when 6 was set up, Snow's lead was pretty large...

It was just a beautiful game. Super high level mind games.

Thx, good read infernal. I like things like these~ Yayaya. BW SO GOOD.
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thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
May 18 2010 17:28 GMT
#27
was a great read!!!!
XiaoJoyce-
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
China2908 Posts
May 18 2010 17:36 GMT
#28
Which episode of Nal_Ra old boy did Nal_Ra talked about Flash build and counters?
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iNfeRnaL *
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Germany1908 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-18 17:37:52
May 18 2010 17:36 GMT
#29
Wow no criticism and even a compliment from the likes of haji himself.
I'm surprised.

Edit: For the poster above, it was no episode of the old boy series, but you can find what I mean here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=125357
nodule
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada931 Posts
May 18 2010 17:37 GMT
#30
great analysis!
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania9327 Posts
May 18 2010 17:55 GMT
#31
Great read!
Good job iNfeRnaL!
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Profile Joined August 2009
Canada75 Posts
May 18 2010 18:16 GMT
#32
No question about Snow's play, but doesn't Flash's disturbed look and first sloppy marine mean anything?
Jathin
Profile Blog Joined February 2005
United States3505 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-18 18:21:06
May 18 2010 18:17 GMT
#33
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Inkblood
Profile Joined February 2010
United States463 Posts
May 18 2010 18:29 GMT
#34
Very nice read. And I agree I was astounded when watching the game, not only at the mindgames and the level of preparation, but also the precision that was used against Flash. Because it's one thing to come up with a strategy that can beat Flash, and another thing entirely to pull it off.

Did I mention how nice it was to read that? Very well thought out post, I think.
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8178 Posts
May 18 2010 19:01 GMT
#35
I think if you have [spoilers] in the tittle you guys dont have to put everything in spoilers lol
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lac29
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1485 Posts
May 18 2010 19:04 GMT
#36
I agree with everyone ... this was a very nice read and a nicely made build and good execution. Thanks for the read!
grax
Profile Joined June 2009
United States41 Posts
May 18 2010 19:10 GMT
#37
I usually don't like PvT but this game was amazing.
iNfeRnaL *
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Germany1908 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-18 19:15:27
May 18 2010 19:14 GMT
#38
On May 19 2010 04:01 Ideas wrote:
I think if you have [spoilers] in the tittle you guys dont have to put everything in spoilers lol

If I had done the way you described somebody would have whined about "blabla but it wasn't obvious WHICH match you wanted to spoiler" - and if I did it this way - well, watch your own post?
Saracen
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5139 Posts
May 18 2010 19:35 GMT
#39
On May 19 2010 02:36 iNfeRnaL wrote:
Wow no criticism and even a compliment from the likes of haji himself.
I'm surprised.

Edit: For the poster above, it was no episode of the old boy series, but you can find what I mean here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=125357

My only criticism is it that according to the interview, it seems like Snow did quite a bit in preparing the build, not the coaching staff.

Even better was the fact that he recalled the 5 o clock to clean up small chunks of Flashes force that he previously drew there with his DT's - again - perfect planning.

And I think you meant 10 o' clock, unless there's a part of the game I just don't remember. (5 o'clock was Snow's main?)
reincremate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China2216 Posts
May 18 2010 19:46 GMT
#40
KT have had their other players play the ace match numerous times. If they decided to risk playing Stats or Violet or Hoejja, all that preparation would have gone to waste and we would probably be wondering why CJ had Snow for ace.
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