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On April 13 2010 01:02 spinesheath wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2010 23:18 gaggar wrote:
'This is all because the SC league scene is still relatively thin. Other games such as Baseball, Basketball and Soccer doesn't suffer from same problem although they have their illegal betting sites. The players and the coaches have a means to sustain their livelihood through the sports they're involved in even after they retire, but for SC players, they have at most 3~4 years (as opposed to 10+ years for other actual sports). Of course they'll be anxious about their future, combined with young naive players with no strong moral fiber is a recipe for corruption. I'm pretty sure these young players don't even know they've become a part of the ring.
It just goes to show what an irony E-sports is.' I don't know the details because I don't really care about soccer, but as far as I know we recently had a huge scandal like this in the German Bundesliga (highest national soccer league). I think there also were scandals in other leagues/countries at the same time. It also included teams/players/referees influencing/intentionally losing games. So I don't really think that this has just happened because of the nature of current esports.
Only some games in the 2.Bundesliga and below were affected, so your reasoning is way off. The fact that players in the lower football leagues are much more susceptible to this kind of cheating is an argument against your opinion.
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On April 13 2010 01 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 13 2010 01 end_of_the_skype_highlighting:36 Ryo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2010 01:16 Slugbreath wrote:On April 13 2010 01:14 infinity2k9 wrote:
Serie A was the biggest scandal and this is one of the highest level leagues in the world. Especially as SC is 1v1 you really cannot stop this, its always going to be a possibility. Well, you could revoke the players' progaming licence if they have been caught rigging matches repeatedly. I think the punishment will be far more serious than that. They will want to make an example out of those progamers found guilty. Korean laws are really strict against gambling and match-fixing is even worse. When Shin Hye Sung (kpop star) visited a Macau Casino (note, he didn't even gamble while he was in Korea), he was convicted and given a fine. When a Korean tv host was found to have gambled online at some Philippines website, he was sacked, black listed and given a suspended jail sentence + community service. So I expect at least a suspended jail sentence.
Thats why Blizz didnt organice BlizzCon2010 in Las Vegas xDDDD
All those Koreans attendants might have gone to jail when they´d be back to Seoul xDDD
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Lol @ the watch's argues... Seriously gtfo. Why would you care about it in the first place ? He can do whatever he wants ffs.
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On April 13 2010 01:02 spinesheath wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2010 23:18 gaggar wrote:
'This is all because the SC league scene is still relatively thin. Other games such as Baseball, Basketball and Soccer doesn't suffer from same problem although they have their illegal betting sites. The players and the coaches have a means to sustain their livelihood through the sports they're involved in even after they retire, but for SC players, they have at most 3~4 years (as opposed to 10+ years for other actual sports). Of course they'll be anxious about their future, combined with young naive players with no strong moral fiber is a recipe for corruption. I'm pretty sure these young players don't even know they've become a part of the ring.
It just goes to show what an irony E-sports is.' I don't know the details because I don't really care about soccer, but as far as I know we recently had a huge scandal like this in the German Bundesliga (highest national soccer league). I think there also were scandals in other leagues/countries at the same time. It also included teams/players/referees influencing/intentionally losing games. So I don't really think that this has just happened because of the nature of current esports. This pretty much is possible in any sport where a lot of money can be made based on the outcome of a match and where single people can influence the outcome greatly without really making it obvious. In Soccer a player can just "accidentially" miss whatever he was "aiming" for. In SC a player can just make a few micro/macro mistakes here and there, miss an important timing and it'll just look like he had a bad day. This didn't happen because players are anxious about their future. It happened because there was a lot of money to be made.
That's very argueable. Most of the rigged betting you're talking about took place in the lower leagues where what gagger wrote applies.
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On April 13 2010 02:04 pR0gR4m3R wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2010 01 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 13 2010 01 end_of_the_skype_highlighting:36 Ryo wrote:On April 13 2010 01:16 Slugbreath wrote:On April 13 2010 01:14 infinity2k9 wrote:
Serie A was the biggest scandal and this is one of the highest level leagues in the world. Especially as SC is 1v1 you really cannot stop this, its always going to be a possibility. Well, you could revoke the players' progaming licence if they have been caught rigging matches repeatedly. I think the punishment will be far more serious than that. They will want to make an example out of those progamers found guilty. Korean laws are really strict against gambling and match-fixing is even worse. When Shin Hye Sung (kpop star) visited a Macau Casino (note, he didn't even gamble while he was in Korea), he was convicted and given a fine. When a Korean tv host was found to have gambled online at some Philippines website, he was sacked, black listed and given a suspended jail sentence + community service. So I expect at least a suspended jail sentence. Thats why Blizz didnt organice BlizzCon2010 in Las Vegas xDDDD All those Koreans attendants might have gone to jail when they´d be back to Seoul xDDD
No jail-time, just a fine. =) Although technically if they don't actually do any gambling, it's not against the law.
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I remember other progamers also forget adrenal glands, it happens quite often - Are all these games fixed?
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On April 13 2010 01 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 13 2010 01 end_of_the_skype_highlighting begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 13 2010 01 end_of_the_skype_highlighting begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 13 2010 01 end_of_the_skype_highlighting:14 infinity2k9 wrote:
Serie A was the biggest scandal and this is one of the highest level leagues in the world. Especially as SC is 1v1 you really cannot stop this, its always going to be a possibility.
Its all connected
Say Juventus .. say CJ Entus (savior, effort and movie are in the list)
SHIT, SOUNDS ALMOST THE SAME
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On April 13 2010 01:51 Puosu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2010 01:46 Jayme wrote:On April 13 2010 00:39 SiDX wrote:
I hope all of it was worth it for that watch, Savior. If he could afford that watch he probably has enough money by now to live comfortably for the rest of his life. In that vain it was probably worth it...considering earning potential after playing professional SC is what...nothing? He's a super star enough he could get a lot of jobs related to media and stuff like that I am sure, just like Nal Ra and so on. I doubt he's going to get away just having to retire though, wouldn't this be jail time in western countries at least and shouldn't asia be more strict about gambling than western countries?
Are you sure about that?
Consider for a moment the era professional starcraft is in. It's the dawn of a new sequel, the MSL took until the RO16 to find a sponser, and in general it seems that there is greater disinterest than ever before.
If we're talking about true long term here... I don't see much of it so late in the era.
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On April 13 2010 02:26 Jayme wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2010 01:51 Puosu wrote:On April 13 2010 01:46 Jayme wrote:On April 13 2010 00:39 SiDX wrote:
I hope all of it was worth it for that watch, Savior. If he could afford that watch he probably has enough money by now to live comfortably for the rest of his life. In that vain it was probably worth it...considering earning potential after playing professional SC is what...nothing? He's a super star enough he could get a lot of jobs related to media and stuff like that I am sure, just like Nal Ra and so on. I doubt he's going to get away just having to retire though, wouldn't this be jail time in western countries at least and shouldn't asia be more strict about gambling than western countries? Are you sure about that? Consider for a moment the era professional starcraft is in. It's the dawn of a new sequel, the MSL took until the RO16 to find a sponser, and in general it seems that there is greater disinterest than ever before. If we're talking about true long term here... I don't see much of it so late in the era.
Wrong. If you surf the Korean forums and fansites, BW professional scene is as popular as ever in Korea. MSL couldn't find a sponsor until RO16 because of their own mistakes with the last MSL final + MBC (anal as ever) refused conditions laid down by their previous potential sponsor. In any case, they now have Hana Daetoo Securities, owned by the Hana Daetoo group, which is one of the largest and wealthiest financial groups in Korea. They own Hana Bank, which is much larger than Shinhan Bank. That's pretty much a slam-dunk in terms of sponsorship.
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Don't worry, the gambling scandal combined with SC2 will kill off Brood War
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Roffles
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On April 13 2010 02:50 PanzerDragoon wrote:
Don't worry, the gambling scandal combined with SC2 will kill off Brood War
I fail to see how this is a good thing.
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On April 13 2010 03:23 Roffles wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2010 02:50 PanzerDragoon wrote:
Don't worry, the gambling scandal combined with SC2 will kill off Brood War I fail to see how this is a good thing.
its not a good thing, it's just the truth.
If Bisu/Jaedong were involved and Kespa is found looking the other way, BW is finished.
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lol so crafty. I hope they change the image to another gamer now that the first one was figured out. It'd be a really cheeky way to get around not being able to release the names.
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Roffles
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On April 13 2010 03:33 PanzerDragoon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2010 03:23 Roffles wrote:On April 13 2010 02:50 PanzerDragoon wrote:
Don't worry, the gambling scandal combined with SC2 will kill off Brood War I fail to see how this is a good thing. its not a good thing, it's just the truth. If Bisu/Jaedong were involved and Kespa is found looking the other way, BW is finished.
As long as Korea is still engaged in BW, BW will never die. And that's the truth as well.
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On April 12 2010 23:18 gaggar wrote:Just some of the samples of the Korean responses from DC inside. The place is going at about 10 posts a second so this is a very rough sample. http://gall.dcinside.com/list.php?id=starcraft'You know, it's too late to go back, so why don't we just do what WWE does? A player can jump out of his booth after the game and hit the other guy with a chair or something.'
haha, that would be awesome... reach would dominate lol
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"And Reach. He's just too straight to do such thing"
MANTOSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
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On April 13 2010 03:39 Roffles wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2010 03:33 PanzerDragoon wrote:On April 13 2010 03:23 Roffles wrote:On April 13 2010 02:50 PanzerDragoon wrote:
Don't worry, the gambling scandal combined with SC2 will kill off Brood War I fail to see how this is a good thing. its not a good thing, it's just the truth. If Bisu/Jaedong were involved and Kespa is found looking the other way, BW is finished. As long as Korea is still engaged in BW, BW will never die. And that's the truth as well.
Going to be hard to stay engaged to a game in which you never know whether the best players really lose an upset, or they got paid a couple grand to throw the game.
Sort of takes the fun out of it.
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I have faith in BWs resilience.
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'I almost wish 3.3 was rigged. That means Savior is actually good!'
What is that 3.3?
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