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Just some of the samples of the Korean responses from DC inside. The place is going at about 10 posts a second so this is a very rough sample.
http://gall.dcinside.com/list.php?id=starcraft
'You know, it's too late to go back, so why don't we just do what WWE does? A player can jump out of his booth after the game and hit the other guy with a chair or something.'
'And we'll never get to see him win if this is over... (a photo of yellow)'
'I bet Blizzard is behind the scandal. Cui Bono?'
'You know, losing intentionally like Savior did isn't so bad. What's worse is the coaches who bought the stolen replays and used it to devise a winning strategy. They oughtta be hanged.'
'Hey, aren't you guys supposed to be worried? You guys seem to enjoy this wayyy too much.'
Someone responds 'No, the scandal is wayyy over the top we can't really take this seriously anymore. lol'
'I'm pretty sure Savior needs all the money to buy himself expensive clothing every season.' (He's often seen with expensive watches and clothes that cost thousands of dollars)
'Hey can you guys tell me the suspected games Savior lost intentionally?'
Someone responds 'Yeah, just off top of my head there are few games Savior lost because he didn't get Adrenaline upgrade although he had a Hive.'
'I know who didn't rig his matches - Boxer. He's been here 10 years and I doubt he would've let that happen to himself. That guy loves the scene. It's his baby, and I very much doubt he's involved in any way.'
Someone responds 'And Reach. He's just too straight to do such thing.' (Everyone below agrees)
'Why is everyone implicating Savior before any solid evidence has been brought forth?'
Responds are 'Two evidence - being removed from captain and not attending behavior education course.' 'You gotta suspect something if they don't attend behavior education and gets wiped off the roster.' 'A gambling site admin mentioned his name in the past.'
'3 Bunker rush, beating a blind guy, and crying after beating oov... For all his faults, I think Boxer is the purest of purest gamers. We gotta hold the offenders responsible and put them in jail. It just makes me feel dumb to think I laughed and cried with the wins and losses of the league. '
'Hey you know what's funny? The special interview between boxer and savior. Just to think boxer suggested savior to create pro-gamer union for betterment of pro-gamer treatment... I think boxer would be ashamed he ever said that. Talk about telling a crook to be a police.
'I almost wish 3.3 was rigged. That means Savior is actually good!'
'You know who's smart? Elky. He's rich AND gambles legally.'
'SC scene is done for, and it'll go the way of WC3 scene in Korea. Remember how it just took one edited map to take down the whole league?'
One more
'This is all because the SC league scene is still relatively thin. Other games such as Baseball, Basketball and Soccer doesn't suffer from same problem although they have their illegal betting sites. The players and the coaches have a means to sustain their livelihood through the sports they're involved in even after they retire, but for SC players, they have at most 3~4 years (as opposed to 10+ years for other actual sports). Of course they'll be anxious about their future, combined with young naive players with no strong moral fiber is a recipe for corruption. I'm pretty sure these young players don't even know they've become a part of the ring.
It just goes to show what an irony E-sports is.'
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'You know who's smart? Elky. He's rich AND gambles legally.'
hahaha
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'SC scene is done for, and it'll go the way of WC3 scene in Korea. Remember how it just took one edited map to take down the whole league?'
Wait what?
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Someone responds 'And Reach. He's just too straight to do such thing.' (Everyone below agrees)
hahaha Reach is just too manly
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On April 12 2010 23:22 Origami wrote:Show nested quote +'SC scene is done for, and it'll go the way of WC3 scene in Korea. Remember how it just took one edited map to take down the whole league?' Wait what?
WC3 league edited a map against Moon so he'd lose sometime.
But Moon still won anyways, and the edits were found out eventually.
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Damn, sAviOr will always stay a mystery until the end. We'll never know what is his current skill.
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'I'm pretty sure Savior needs all the money to buy himself expensive clothing every season.' (He's often seen with expensive watches and clothes that cost thousands of dollars)
A HA!
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On April 12 2010 23:25 gaggar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2010 23:22 Origami wrote:'SC scene is done for, and it'll go the way of WC3 scene in Korea. Remember how it just took one edited map to take down the whole league?' Wait what? WC3 league edited a map against Moon so he'd lose sometime. But Moon still won anyways, and the edits were found out eventually.
lol, fanboi much?
Several maps were edited and some very popular gamers won games that seemed impossible whiched helped the league increase in popularity.
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gotta love how they come to defend boxer right away.
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Ma Bonjwa, tsk tsk...
Some of the comments are hilarious though, glad to know Korean netizens haven't lost their sense of humor.
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I can't wait to see how this develops! *F5*
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On April 12 2010 23:22 Origami wrote:Show nested quote +'SC scene is done for, and it'll go the way of WC3 scene in Korea. Remember how it just took one edited map to take down the whole league?' Wait what?
It's what made  Freedom quit WarCraft III and switch to StarCraft.
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'You know, it's too late to go back, so why don't we just do what WWE does? A player can jump out of his booth after the game and hit the other guy with a chair or something.'
bahaha
'This is all because the SC league scene is still relatively thin. Other games such as Baseball, Basketball and Soccer doesn't suffer from same problem although they have their illegal betting sites. The players and the coaches have a means to sustain their livelihood through the sports they're involved in even after they retire, but for SC players, they have at most 3~4 years (as opposed to 10+ years for other actual sports). Of course they'll be anxious about their future, combined with young naive players with no strong moral fiber is a recipe for corruption. I'm pretty sure these young players don't even know they've become a part of the ring.
It just goes to show what an irony E-sports is.'
Thats pretty insightful. I'd expect general consensus to eventually come to this, I think its close to it already here at tl.
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konadora
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On April 12 2010 23:29 Squallcloud wrote:Show nested quote +'I'm pretty sure Savior needs all the money to buy himself expensive clothing every season.' (He's often seen with expensive watches and clothes that cost thousands of dollars) Didn't know Savior liked expensive stuff sure smell fishy 
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HAHA WTF!!! fucking columbo!! 
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On April 12 2010 23:22 Origami wrote:Show nested quote +'SC scene is done for, and it'll go the way of WC3 scene in Korea. Remember how it just took one edited map to take down the whole league?' Wait what?
They made a map be much more favorable to the race of the first place guy so he would win again. When they found out Wc3 pretty much died in korea
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I hope all of it was worth it for that watch, Savior.
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On April 13 2010 00:39 SiDX wrote:
I hope all of it was worth it for that watch, Savior.
I'd do it for a watch that cool.
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The adrenal upgrades... it all makes sense.
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On April 12 2010 23:18 gaggar wrote:
'This is all because the SC league scene is still relatively thin. Other games such as Baseball, Basketball and Soccer doesn't suffer from same problem although they have their illegal betting sites. The players and the coaches have a means to sustain their livelihood through the sports they're involved in even after they retire, but for SC players, they have at most 3~4 years (as opposed to 10+ years for other actual sports). Of course they'll be anxious about their future, combined with young naive players with no strong moral fiber is a recipe for corruption. I'm pretty sure these young players don't even know they've become a part of the ring.
It just goes to show what an irony E-sports is.'
I don't know the details because I don't really care about soccer, but as far as I know we recently had a huge scandal like this in the German Bundesliga (highest national soccer league). I think there also were scandals in other leagues/countries at the same time. It also included teams/players/referees influencing/intentionally losing games. So I don't really think that this has just happened because of the nature of current esports.
This pretty much is possible in any sport where a lot of money can be made based on the outcome of a match and where single people can influence the outcome greatly without really making it obvious. In Soccer a player can just "accidentially" miss whatever he was "aiming" for. In SC a player can just make a few micro/macro mistakes here and there, miss an important timing and it'll just look like he had a bad day.
This didn't happen because players are anxious about their future. It happened because there was a lot of money to be made.
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Serie A was the biggest scandal and this is one of the highest level leagues in the world. Especially as SC is 1v1 you really cannot stop this, its always going to be a possibility.
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On April 13 2010 01:14 infinity2k9 wrote:
Serie A was the biggest scandal and this is one of the highest level leagues in the world. Especially as SC is 1v1 you really cannot stop this, its always going to be a possibility.
Well, you could revoke the players' progaming licence if they have been caught rigging matches repeatedly.
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LOL Kona awesome work.
shame on you Savior.
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On April 13 2010 01:16 Slugbreath wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2010 01:14 infinity2k9 wrote:
Serie A was the biggest scandal and this is one of the highest level leagues in the world. Especially as SC is 1v1 you really cannot stop this, its always going to be a possibility. Well, you could revoke the players' progaming licence if they have been caught rigging matches repeatedly.
Well yes at a minimum i'd expect this just from finding 1 game proven rigged. But i mean there will will always be people willing to risk it in the future if the money is worth it, no matter what the punishments before.
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On April 13 2010 01:16 Slugbreath wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2010 01:14 infinity2k9 wrote:
Serie A was the biggest scandal and this is one of the highest level leagues in the world. Especially as SC is 1v1 you really cannot stop this, its always going to be a possibility. Well, you could revoke the players' progaming licence if they have been caught rigging matches repeatedly.
I think the punishment will be far more serious than that. They will want to make an example out of those progamers found guilty.
Korean laws are really strict against gambling and match-fixing is even worse.
When Shin Hye Sung (kpop star) visited a Macau Casino (note, he didn't even gamble while he was in Korea), he was convicted and given a fine. When a Korean tv host was found to have gambled online at some Philippines website, he was sacked, black listed and given a suspended jail sentence + community service.
So I expect at least a suspended jail sentence.
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Rolex has sponsored competitive BW for a long time. It's likely the watch was either given to him or he got it at a huge discount anyways.
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Like I said in the other thread, they should make a prison tournament. I want to see how good Savior really is and risk of horrible horrible butt rape is probably a good enough motivation as any.
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On April 13 2010 01:39 KaRnaGe[cF] wrote:
Rolex has sponsored competitive BW for a long time. It's likely the watch was either given to him or he got it at a huge discount anyways.
Good point. Anyway I hope they make some arrests soon so those who aren't involved in this can be cleared of suspicion.
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On April 13 2010 01:36 Ryo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2010 01:16 Slugbreath wrote:On April 13 2010 01:14 infinity2k9 wrote:
Serie A was the biggest scandal and this is one of the highest level leagues in the world. Especially as SC is 1v1 you really cannot stop this, its always going to be a possibility. Well, you could revoke the players' progaming licence if they have been caught rigging matches repeatedly. I think the punishment will be far more serious than that. They will want to make an example out of those progamers found guilty. Korean laws are really strict against gambling and match-fixing is even worse. When Shin Hye Sung (kpop star) visited a Macau Casino (note, he didn't even gamble while he was in Korea), he was convicted and given a fine. When a Korean tv host was found to have gambled online at some Philippines website, he was sacked, black listed and given a suspended jail sentence + community service. So I expect at least a suspended jail sentence.
Wow that's pretty intense. Sounds almost draconian. I'm hoping they don't get treated this harshly (not the suspended sentence part but rather as badly as the kpop star and tv host).
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On April 13 2010 01:39 KaRnaGe[cF] wrote:
Rolex has sponsored competitive BW for a long time. It's likely the watch was either given to him or he got it at a huge discount anyways.
What? I've never ever noticed Rolex sponsoring anything or have their name anywhere and I've been watching professioanl SC for a loong time. What have they sponsored exactly?
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On April 13 2010 00:39 SiDX wrote:
I hope all of it was worth it for that watch, Savior.
If he could afford that watch he probably has enough money by now to live comfortably for the rest of his life. In that vain it was probably worth it...considering earning potential after playing professional SC is what...nothing?
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Just because a secretary sucked your ex-presidents dick and you talked about it for 2 years doesnt mean you can expect the typical american drama here. Even if its true KeSPa will just force the players to retire quietly and wont let a cheesy tiger woods story to happen here as well. This is getting indeed way over the top
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On April 13 2010 01:46 Jayme wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2010 00:39 SiDX wrote:
I hope all of it was worth it for that watch, Savior. If he could afford that watch he probably has enough money by now to live comfortably for the rest of his life. In that vain it was probably worth it...considering earning potential after playing professional SC is what...nothing?
He's a super star enough he could get a lot of jobs related to media and stuff like that I am sure, just like Nal Ra and so on.
I doubt he's going to get away just having to retire though, wouldn't this be jail time in western countries at least and shouldn't asia be more strict about gambling than western countries?
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On April 13 2010 01:02 spinesheath wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2010 23:18 gaggar wrote:
'This is all because the SC league scene is still relatively thin. Other games such as Baseball, Basketball and Soccer doesn't suffer from same problem although they have their illegal betting sites. The players and the coaches have a means to sustain their livelihood through the sports they're involved in even after they retire, but for SC players, they have at most 3~4 years (as opposed to 10+ years for other actual sports). Of course they'll be anxious about their future, combined with young naive players with no strong moral fiber is a recipe for corruption. I'm pretty sure these young players don't even know they've become a part of the ring.
It just goes to show what an irony E-sports is.' I don't know the details because I don't really care about soccer, but as far as I know we recently had a huge scandal like this in the German Bundesliga (highest national soccer league). I think there also were scandals in other leagues/countries at the same time. It also included teams/players/referees influencing/intentionally losing games. So I don't really think that this has just happened because of the nature of current esports.
Only some games in the 2.Bundesliga and below were affected, so your reasoning is way off. The fact that players in the lower football leagues are much more susceptible to this kind of cheating is an argument against your opinion.
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On April 13 2010 01 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 13 2010 01 end_of_the_skype_highlighting:36 Ryo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2010 01:16 Slugbreath wrote:On April 13 2010 01:14 infinity2k9 wrote:
Serie A was the biggest scandal and this is one of the highest level leagues in the world. Especially as SC is 1v1 you really cannot stop this, its always going to be a possibility. Well, you could revoke the players' progaming licence if they have been caught rigging matches repeatedly. I think the punishment will be far more serious than that. They will want to make an example out of those progamers found guilty. Korean laws are really strict against gambling and match-fixing is even worse. When Shin Hye Sung (kpop star) visited a Macau Casino (note, he didn't even gamble while he was in Korea), he was convicted and given a fine. When a Korean tv host was found to have gambled online at some Philippines website, he was sacked, black listed and given a suspended jail sentence + community service. So I expect at least a suspended jail sentence.
Thats why Blizz didnt organice BlizzCon2010 in Las Vegas xDDDD
All those Koreans attendants might have gone to jail when they´d be back to Seoul xDDD
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Lol @ the watch's argues... Seriously gtfo. Why would you care about it in the first place ? He can do whatever he wants ffs.
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On April 13 2010 01:02 spinesheath wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2010 23:18 gaggar wrote:
'This is all because the SC league scene is still relatively thin. Other games such as Baseball, Basketball and Soccer doesn't suffer from same problem although they have their illegal betting sites. The players and the coaches have a means to sustain their livelihood through the sports they're involved in even after they retire, but for SC players, they have at most 3~4 years (as opposed to 10+ years for other actual sports). Of course they'll be anxious about their future, combined with young naive players with no strong moral fiber is a recipe for corruption. I'm pretty sure these young players don't even know they've become a part of the ring.
It just goes to show what an irony E-sports is.' I don't know the details because I don't really care about soccer, but as far as I know we recently had a huge scandal like this in the German Bundesliga (highest national soccer league). I think there also were scandals in other leagues/countries at the same time. It also included teams/players/referees influencing/intentionally losing games. So I don't really think that this has just happened because of the nature of current esports. This pretty much is possible in any sport where a lot of money can be made based on the outcome of a match and where single people can influence the outcome greatly without really making it obvious. In Soccer a player can just "accidentially" miss whatever he was "aiming" for. In SC a player can just make a few micro/macro mistakes here and there, miss an important timing and it'll just look like he had a bad day. This didn't happen because players are anxious about their future. It happened because there was a lot of money to be made.
That's very argueable. Most of the rigged betting you're talking about took place in the lower leagues where what gagger wrote applies.
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On April 13 2010 02:04 pR0gR4m3R wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2010 01 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 13 2010 01 end_of_the_skype_highlighting:36 Ryo wrote:On April 13 2010 01:16 Slugbreath wrote:On April 13 2010 01:14 infinity2k9 wrote:
Serie A was the biggest scandal and this is one of the highest level leagues in the world. Especially as SC is 1v1 you really cannot stop this, its always going to be a possibility. Well, you could revoke the players' progaming licence if they have been caught rigging matches repeatedly. I think the punishment will be far more serious than that. They will want to make an example out of those progamers found guilty. Korean laws are really strict against gambling and match-fixing is even worse. When Shin Hye Sung (kpop star) visited a Macau Casino (note, he didn't even gamble while he was in Korea), he was convicted and given a fine. When a Korean tv host was found to have gambled online at some Philippines website, he was sacked, black listed and given a suspended jail sentence + community service. So I expect at least a suspended jail sentence. Thats why Blizz didnt organice BlizzCon2010 in Las Vegas xDDDD All those Koreans attendants might have gone to jail when they´d be back to Seoul xDDD
No jail-time, just a fine. =) Although technically if they don't actually do any gambling, it's not against the law.
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I remember other progamers also forget adrenal glands, it happens quite often - Are all these games fixed?
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On April 13 2010 01 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 13 2010 01 end_of_the_skype_highlighting begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 13 2010 01 end_of_the_skype_highlighting begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 13 2010 01 end_of_the_skype_highlighting:14 infinity2k9 wrote:
Serie A was the biggest scandal and this is one of the highest level leagues in the world. Especially as SC is 1v1 you really cannot stop this, its always going to be a possibility.
Its all connected
Say Juventus .. say CJ Entus (savior, effort and movie are in the list)
SHIT, SOUNDS ALMOST THE SAME
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On April 13 2010 01:51 Puosu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2010 01:46 Jayme wrote:On April 13 2010 00:39 SiDX wrote:
I hope all of it was worth it for that watch, Savior. If he could afford that watch he probably has enough money by now to live comfortably for the rest of his life. In that vain it was probably worth it...considering earning potential after playing professional SC is what...nothing? He's a super star enough he could get a lot of jobs related to media and stuff like that I am sure, just like Nal Ra and so on. I doubt he's going to get away just having to retire though, wouldn't this be jail time in western countries at least and shouldn't asia be more strict about gambling than western countries?
Are you sure about that?
Consider for a moment the era professional starcraft is in. It's the dawn of a new sequel, the MSL took until the RO16 to find a sponser, and in general it seems that there is greater disinterest than ever before.
If we're talking about true long term here... I don't see much of it so late in the era.
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On April 13 2010 02:26 Jayme wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2010 01:51 Puosu wrote:On April 13 2010 01:46 Jayme wrote:On April 13 2010 00:39 SiDX wrote:
I hope all of it was worth it for that watch, Savior. If he could afford that watch he probably has enough money by now to live comfortably for the rest of his life. In that vain it was probably worth it...considering earning potential after playing professional SC is what...nothing? He's a super star enough he could get a lot of jobs related to media and stuff like that I am sure, just like Nal Ra and so on. I doubt he's going to get away just having to retire though, wouldn't this be jail time in western countries at least and shouldn't asia be more strict about gambling than western countries? Are you sure about that? Consider for a moment the era professional starcraft is in. It's the dawn of a new sequel, the MSL took until the RO16 to find a sponser, and in general it seems that there is greater disinterest than ever before. If we're talking about true long term here... I don't see much of it so late in the era.
Wrong. If you surf the Korean forums and fansites, BW professional scene is as popular as ever in Korea. MSL couldn't find a sponsor until RO16 because of their own mistakes with the last MSL final + MBC (anal as ever) refused conditions laid down by their previous potential sponsor. In any case, they now have Hana Daetoo Securities, owned by the Hana Daetoo group, which is one of the largest and wealthiest financial groups in Korea. They own Hana Bank, which is much larger than Shinhan Bank. That's pretty much a slam-dunk in terms of sponsorship.
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Don't worry, the gambling scandal combined with SC2 will kill off Brood War
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Roffles
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On April 13 2010 02:50 PanzerDragoon wrote:
Don't worry, the gambling scandal combined with SC2 will kill off Brood War
I fail to see how this is a good thing.
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On April 13 2010 03:23 Roffles wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2010 02:50 PanzerDragoon wrote:
Don't worry, the gambling scandal combined with SC2 will kill off Brood War I fail to see how this is a good thing.
its not a good thing, it's just the truth.
If Bisu/Jaedong were involved and Kespa is found looking the other way, BW is finished.
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lol so crafty. I hope they change the image to another gamer now that the first one was figured out. It'd be a really cheeky way to get around not being able to release the names.
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On April 13 2010 03:33 PanzerDragoon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2010 03:23 Roffles wrote:On April 13 2010 02:50 PanzerDragoon wrote:
Don't worry, the gambling scandal combined with SC2 will kill off Brood War I fail to see how this is a good thing. its not a good thing, it's just the truth. If Bisu/Jaedong were involved and Kespa is found looking the other way, BW is finished.
As long as Korea is still engaged in BW, BW will never die. And that's the truth as well.
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On April 12 2010 23:18 gaggar wrote:Just some of the samples of the Korean responses from DC inside. The place is going at about 10 posts a second so this is a very rough sample. http://gall.dcinside.com/list.php?id=starcraft'You know, it's too late to go back, so why don't we just do what WWE does? A player can jump out of his booth after the game and hit the other guy with a chair or something.'
haha, that would be awesome... reach would dominate lol
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"And Reach. He's just too straight to do such thing"
MANTOSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
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On April 13 2010 03:39 Roffles wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2010 03:33 PanzerDragoon wrote:On April 13 2010 03:23 Roffles wrote:On April 13 2010 02:50 PanzerDragoon wrote:
Don't worry, the gambling scandal combined with SC2 will kill off Brood War I fail to see how this is a good thing. its not a good thing, it's just the truth. If Bisu/Jaedong were involved and Kespa is found looking the other way, BW is finished. As long as Korea is still engaged in BW, BW will never die. And that's the truth as well.
Going to be hard to stay engaged to a game in which you never know whether the best players really lose an upset, or they got paid a couple grand to throw the game.
Sort of takes the fun out of it.
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I have faith in BWs resilience.
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'I almost wish 3.3 was rigged. That means Savior is actually good!'
What is that 3.3?
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On April 13 2010 04:24 gaizka wrote:
'I almost wish 3.3 was rigged. That means Savior is actually good!'
What is that 3.3?
3.3
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On April 13 2010 04:26 gngfn wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2010 04:24 gaizka wrote:
'I almost wish 3.3 was rigged. That means Savior is actually good!'
What is that 3.3? 3.3
I thought about it but I discarded it for not having a second 3, maybe I just don't see it. Anyway ty.
Anyone knows the name of the song that plays with the picture of savior?
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lol konadora, that picture of savior's rolex is so epic :D
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On April 13 2010 02:09 pR0gR4m3R wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2010 01 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 13 2010 01 end_of_the_skype_highlighting begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 13 2010 01 end_of_the_skype_highlighting begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 13 2010 01 end_of_the_skype_highlighting:14 infinity2k9 wrote:
Serie A was the biggest scandal and this is one of the highest level leagues in the world. Especially as SC is 1v1 you really cannot stop this, its always going to be a possibility. Its all connected Say Juventus .. say CJ Entus (savior, effort and movie are in the list) SHIT, SOUNDS ALMOST THE SAME
Yeah, after that AS Roma fans came up with new project of Juventus' T-Shirts:
+ Show Spoiler +
Currently, CJ Entus' T-Shirts look like this:
+ Show Spoiler +
Any ideas?
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On April 13 2010 03:39 Roffles wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2010 03:33 PanzerDragoon wrote:On April 13 2010 03:23 Roffles wrote:On April 13 2010 02:50 PanzerDragoon wrote:
Don't worry, the gambling scandal combined with SC2 will kill off Brood War I fail to see how this is a good thing. its not a good thing, it's just the truth. If Bisu/Jaedong were involved and Kespa is found looking the other way, BW is finished. As long as Korea is still engaged in BW, BW will never die. And that's the truth as well.
THIS
If the authorities deal with this properly, in the long run BW will be even stronger in Korea.
On April 13 2010 04:16 PanzerDragoon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2010 03:39 Roffles wrote:On April 13 2010 03:33 PanzerDragoon wrote:On April 13 2010 03:23 Roffles wrote:On April 13 2010 02:50 PanzerDragoon wrote:
Don't worry, the gambling scandal combined with SC2 will kill off Brood War I fail to see how this is a good thing. its not a good thing, it's just the truth. If Bisu/Jaedong were involved and Kespa is found looking the other way, BW is finished. As long as Korea is still engaged in BW, BW will never die. And that's the truth as well. Going to be hard to stay engaged to a game in which you never know whether the best players really lose an upset, or they got paid a couple grand to throw the game. Sort of takes the fun out of it.
In all popular sports spectators always get suspicious when a big name player loses. But it doesn't prevent most pple from supporting these sports or prevent young kids from wanting to turn pro. BW will survive.
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More netizen comments please. Always interesting to read.
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I always hated "Ma Re GI"
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On April 13 2010 05:15 Ryo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2010 03:39 Roffles wrote:On April 13 2010 03:33 PanzerDragoon wrote:On April 13 2010 03:23 Roffles wrote:On April 13 2010 02:50 PanzerDragoon wrote:
Don't worry, the gambling scandal combined with SC2 will kill off Brood War I fail to see how this is a good thing. its not a good thing, it's just the truth. If Bisu/Jaedong were involved and Kespa is found looking the other way, BW is finished. As long as Korea is still engaged in BW, BW will never die. And that's the truth as well. THIS If the authorities deal with this properly, in the long run BW will be even stronger in Korea. Show nested quote +On April 13 2010 04:16 PanzerDragoon wrote:On April 13 2010 03:39 Roffles wrote:On April 13 2010 03:33 PanzerDragoon wrote:On April 13 2010 03:23 Roffles wrote:On April 13 2010 02:50 PanzerDragoon wrote:
Don't worry, the gambling scandal combined with SC2 will kill off Brood War I fail to see how this is a good thing. its not a good thing, it's just the truth. If Bisu/Jaedong were involved and Kespa is found looking the other way, BW is finished. As long as Korea is still engaged in BW, BW will never die. And that's the truth as well. Going to be hard to stay engaged to a game in which you never know whether the best players really lose an upset, or they got paid a couple grand to throw the game. Sort of takes the fun out of it. In all popular sports spectators always get suspicious when a big name player loses. But it doesn't prevent most pple from supporting these sports or prevent young kids from wanting to turn pro. BW will survive.
They get suspicious, but rarely are those suspicions founded, or proof of said illegal acts dropped in their lap.
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On April 13 2010 04:30 gaizka wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2010 04:26 gngfn wrote:On April 13 2010 04:24 gaizka wrote:
'I almost wish 3.3 was rigged. That means Savior is actually good!'
What is that 3.3? 3.3 I thought about it but I discarded it for not having a second 3, maybe I just don't see it. Anyway ty. Anyone knows the name of the song that plays with the picture of savior?
the match took place on March 3rd
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'Hey you know what's funny? The special interview between boxer and savior. Just to think boxer suggested savior to create pro-gamer union for betterment of pro-gamer treatment... I think boxer would be ashamed he ever said that. Talk about telling a crook to be a police.
This part's biting me in the ass too. Boxer was being all honest and idealistic, giving the double interview with savior and trying to get the ball rolling on progressing ESPORTS, and savior was sitting there going "Yea, YEAH, I know exactly how you feel - you're my brother, homie!". At the same time, he was fucking having a whore sucking cocaine off his cock bought by money he got by raping the proscene through gambling.
Hypocritical piece of shit.
I mean, seriously, swindling the system, careface - but such blatant dishonesty? Going behind people's backs, undermining their good intentions?
I'm just...
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I am not mad about people like Sangho or Justin match fixing. I sympathize with them. They have dedicated the best years of their life to starcraft and have gotten shit in returns but a place to sleep. Just some people who wanted security after their careers are done especially with no education and no real world skills. Not what they did may be ethically right, but I understand the hardships that brought them to the breaking point.
Savior had a guaranteed future with E-Sports, he could make a living off it as a coach, commentator, what not. He had no need to gain a few extra bucks, he was raking it in. Yet he still decided to ruin the integrity that so many hard working players built with their sweat and blood. He was not pushed into it with desperation like the no namers who had no real security after their unsuccessful and unprofitable career as a progamer, he was pushed into it with greed. And I cannot stand for that shit.
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On April 13 2010 07:27 lone_hydra wrote:
I am not mad about people like Sangho or Justin match fixing. I sympathize with them. They have dedicated the best years of their life to starcraft and have gotten shit in returns but a place to sleep. Just some people who wanted security after their careers are done especially with no education and no real world skills. Not what they did may be ethically right, but I understand the hardships that brought them to the breaking point.
Its not like their careers as progamers were forced upon them. They chose it willingly, along with its consequences. Just like any sport, progaming its a competitive business. If you don't perform, you can't expect to be set for life. I feel no sympathy for cheaters who abuse their position to get ahead in life.
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After few more years it will turn out that they were on drugs while playing too
Cracklings for rolex is fair deal imho
In future savior will write a book about how loosing games for money brought him to slump,
it happened so many times before in other sports.
He will stand before the mirror, and say to himself:
I'mTheBest!I'mTheBest!I'mTheBest!I'mTheBest!
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Klazart must be rolling in his grave...
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1- to end any type of activity, it is far more efficient to cut the demand for such activity at its roots, not by post-fact resolutions
2- law and punishment can only do so much to prevent an action because the underlying causes of demand do not change.
To lower the demand for match fixing:
1- expose the risk of it to gamblers so they are able to account for such risks themselves and bet less. Smaller pots, smaller profit from fixing.
2- lower any taxes imposed on gambling so gamblers do not have to bet more to earn the same or less than the amount they would otherwise earn (obligatory libertarian suggestion)
3- invest more into esports so players do not have to resort to these "alternative" means to make a living
out of ideas.
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Well, unless this kind of thing happens to the community, it won't mature beyond what it was yesterday.
I'm actually pleased that it happened to high profile pros because it will serve as an effective deterrent for rookies than if a fellow rookie got caught. With all the media's attention, it will also be more difficult for everyone (without balls) to make the choice to fix matches in the future.
You can't completely stop it of course since the incentives still outweigh the consequences, so the ideal solution is to introduce a death penalty (in the form of permanent suspension (actually, let's just kill them off)) to give the consequence enough weight and effectively limit the amount of people willing to walk this tight rope.
In any case, you can't soar to new heights unless you hit the ground; the level of SC will continue to rise~
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On April 12 2010 23:18 gaggar wrote:
'I bet Blizzard is behind the scandal. Cui Bono?'
This is a bit cheeky, no? Makes you wonder about what the Korean view of KeSPA is.
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'You know who's smart? Elky. He's rich AND gambles legally.'
after all the seriousness of the replies, this one had me cracking up good.
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On April 14 2010 22:51 shinigami wrote:
introduce a death penalty (in the form of permanent suspension (actually, let's just kill them off))
haha :D
I wonder what kind of impact would that have really...
prob would kill progaming.
kill... progaming... hurr hurr
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who gots news on this? kespa poured some race-queens into someone's lap and now they dont report on this anymore or what?
i don't care about names. those will never get released "officially" but im more interested in how this has affected fans, team houses, etc. this and beta pretty much killed watching koreanSC for me even though i was not the least surprised about this story breaking.
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Yeah, it seems now that everybody has forgotten about it and nothing happened?
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Saviors watch is 4.600 €. He surely could afford it without illegal gambling. ;o
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Any more news on this? Surely there have been further developments or have Kespa successfully cleaned it all up?
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It's all being hushed up by KeSPA as far as anyone can tell. Please don't bump these threads anymore unless you actually have something. It makes the rest of us anxious.
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