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gngfn
Profile Joined January 2009
United States1726 Posts
April 12 2010 19:26 GMT
#61
On April 13 2010 04:24 gaizka wrote:
'I almost wish 3.3 was rigged. That means Savior is actually good!'

What is that 3.3?

3.3
gaizka
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States991 Posts
April 12 2010 19:30 GMT
#62
On April 13 2010 04:26 gngfn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2010 04:24 gaizka wrote:
'I almost wish 3.3 was rigged. That means Savior is actually good!'

What is that 3.3?

3.3



I thought about it but I discarded it for not having a second 3, maybe I just don't see it. Anyway ty.


Anyone knows the name of the song that plays with the picture of savior?
YunhOLee
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Canada2470 Posts
April 12 2010 19:31 GMT
#63
lol konadora, that picture of savior's rolex is so epic :D
Live it, love it, play it, kill it. JulyZerg and IPXZerg greatest TL.net fan
Likkzi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland72 Posts
April 12 2010 20:07 GMT
#64
On April 13 2010 02:09 pR0gR4m3R wrote:
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On April 13 2010 01 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting              13 2010 01      end_of_the_skype_highlighting begin_of_the_skype_highlighting              13 2010 01      end_of_the_skype_highlighting begin_of_the_skype_highlighting              13 2010 01      end_of_the_skype_highlighting:14 infinity2k9 wrote:
Serie A was the biggest scandal and this is one of the highest level leagues in the world. Especially as SC is 1v1 you really cannot stop this, its always going to be a possibility.


Its all connected

Say Juventus .. say CJ Entus (savior, effort and movie are in the list)

SHIT, SOUNDS ALMOST THE SAME

Yeah, after that AS Roma fans came up with new project of Juventus' T-Shirts:

+ Show Spoiler +
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Currently, CJ Entus' T-Shirts look like this:

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Any ideas?
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-12 20:20:04
April 12 2010 20:15 GMT
#65
On April 13 2010 03:39 Roffles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2010 03:33 PanzerDragoon wrote:
On April 13 2010 03:23 Roffles wrote:
On April 13 2010 02:50 PanzerDragoon wrote:
Don't worry, the gambling scandal combined with SC2 will kill off Brood War

I fail to see how this is a good thing.

its not a good thing, it's just the truth.

If Bisu/Jaedong were involved and Kespa is found looking the other way, BW is finished.

As long as Korea is still engaged in BW, BW will never die. And that's the truth as well.


THIS

If the authorities deal with this properly, in the long run BW will be even stronger in Korea.

On April 13 2010 04:16 PanzerDragoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2010 03:39 Roffles wrote:
On April 13 2010 03:33 PanzerDragoon wrote:
On April 13 2010 03:23 Roffles wrote:
On April 13 2010 02:50 PanzerDragoon wrote:
Don't worry, the gambling scandal combined with SC2 will kill off Brood War

I fail to see how this is a good thing.

its not a good thing, it's just the truth.

If Bisu/Jaedong were involved and Kespa is found looking the other way, BW is finished.

As long as Korea is still engaged in BW, BW will never die. And that's the truth as well.

Going to be hard to stay engaged to a game in which you never know whether the best players really lose an upset, or they got paid a couple grand to throw the game.

Sort of takes the fun out of it.


In all popular sports spectators always get suspicious when a big name player loses. But it doesn't prevent most pple from supporting these sports or prevent young kids from wanting to turn pro. BW will survive.
영원히 엠비씨게임 히어로 팬.
zee
Profile Joined January 2010
201 Posts
April 12 2010 20:19 GMT
#66
More netizen comments please. Always interesting to read.
The6357
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States1268 Posts
April 12 2010 20:31 GMT
#67
I always hated "Ma Re GI"

2010 worldcup!! corea fighting!!!
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
April 12 2010 20:39 GMT
#68
Thanks for translating
PanzerDragoon
Profile Joined March 2010
United States822 Posts
April 12 2010 21:05 GMT
#69
On April 13 2010 05:15 Ryo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2010 03:39 Roffles wrote:
On April 13 2010 03:33 PanzerDragoon wrote:
On April 13 2010 03:23 Roffles wrote:
On April 13 2010 02:50 PanzerDragoon wrote:
Don't worry, the gambling scandal combined with SC2 will kill off Brood War

I fail to see how this is a good thing.

its not a good thing, it's just the truth.

If Bisu/Jaedong were involved and Kespa is found looking the other way, BW is finished.

As long as Korea is still engaged in BW, BW will never die. And that's the truth as well.


THIS

If the authorities deal with this properly, in the long run BW will be even stronger in Korea.

Show nested quote +
On April 13 2010 04:16 PanzerDragoon wrote:
On April 13 2010 03:39 Roffles wrote:
On April 13 2010 03:33 PanzerDragoon wrote:
On April 13 2010 03:23 Roffles wrote:
On April 13 2010 02:50 PanzerDragoon wrote:
Don't worry, the gambling scandal combined with SC2 will kill off Brood War

I fail to see how this is a good thing.

its not a good thing, it's just the truth.

If Bisu/Jaedong were involved and Kespa is found looking the other way, BW is finished.

As long as Korea is still engaged in BW, BW will never die. And that's the truth as well.

Going to be hard to stay engaged to a game in which you never know whether the best players really lose an upset, or they got paid a couple grand to throw the game.

Sort of takes the fun out of it.


In all popular sports spectators always get suspicious when a big name player loses. But it doesn't prevent most pple from supporting these sports or prevent young kids from wanting to turn pro. BW will survive.

They get suspicious, but rarely are those suspicions founded, or proof of said illegal acts dropped in their lap.
Aro_X
Profile Joined February 2009
United States106 Posts
April 12 2010 21:11 GMT
#70
On April 13 2010 04:30 gaizka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2010 04:26 gngfn wrote:
On April 13 2010 04:24 gaizka wrote:
'I almost wish 3.3 was rigged. That means Savior is actually good!'

What is that 3.3?

3.3



I thought about it but I discarded it for not having a second 3, maybe I just don't see it. Anyway ty.


Anyone knows the name of the song that plays with the picture of savior?


the match took place on March 3rd
You're slow, even when falling.
plated.rawr
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Norway1676 Posts
April 12 2010 21:37 GMT
#71
'Hey you know what's funny? The special interview between boxer and savior. Just to think boxer suggested savior to create pro-gamer union for betterment of pro-gamer treatment... I think boxer would be ashamed he ever said that. Talk about telling a crook to be a police.

This part's biting me in the ass too. Boxer was being all honest and idealistic, giving the double interview with savior and trying to get the ball rolling on progressing ESPORTS, and savior was sitting there going "Yea, YEAH, I know exactly how you feel - you're my brother, homie!". At the same time, he was fucking having a whore sucking cocaine off his cock bought by money he got by raping the proscene through gambling.

Hypocritical piece of shit.

I mean, seriously, swindling the system, careface - but such blatant dishonesty? Going behind people's backs, undermining their good intentions?

I'm just...

Savior broke my heart ;_; || twitch.tv/onnings
lone_hydra
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada1460 Posts
April 12 2010 22:27 GMT
#72
I am not mad about people like Sangho or Justin match fixing. I sympathize with them. They have dedicated the best years of their life to starcraft and have gotten shit in returns but a place to sleep. Just some people who wanted security after their careers are done especially with no education and no real world skills. Not what they did may be ethically right, but I understand the hardships that brought them to the breaking point.

Savior had a guaranteed future with E-Sports, he could make a living off it as a coach, commentator, what not. He had no need to gain a few extra bucks, he was raking it in. Yet he still decided to ruin the integrity that so many hard working players built with their sweat and blood. He was not pushed into it with desperation like the no namers who had no real security after their unsuccessful and unprofitable career as a progamer, he was pushed into it with greed. And I cannot stand for that shit.
Fav Gamers: 2)Stork 5)Bisu
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
April 12 2010 23:11 GMT
#73
On April 13 2010 07:27 lone_hydra wrote:
I am not mad about people like Sangho or Justin match fixing. I sympathize with them. They have dedicated the best years of their life to starcraft and have gotten shit in returns but a place to sleep. Just some people who wanted security after their careers are done especially with no education and no real world skills. Not what they did may be ethically right, but I understand the hardships that brought them to the breaking point.


Its not like their careers as progamers were forced upon them. They chose it willingly, along with its consequences. Just like any sport, progaming its a competitive business. If you don't perform, you can't expect to be set for life. I feel no sympathy for cheaters who abuse their position to get ahead in life.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
DracoVolantus
Profile Joined February 2010
Poland231 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-13 22:01:28
April 13 2010 22:00 GMT
#74
After few more years it will turn out that they were on drugs while playing too

Cracklings for rolex is fair deal imho

In future savior will write a book about how loosing games for money brought him to slump,
it happened so many times before in other sports.

He will stand before the mirror, and say to himself:

I'mTheBest!I'mTheBest!I'mTheBest!I'mTheBest!
EX CATHEDRA!
DikFore
Profile Joined January 2010
United States33 Posts
April 14 2010 00:44 GMT
#75
Klazart must be rolling in his grave...
"The problem with the world is that everyone is a few drinks behind" - Humphrey Bogart
Yurebis
Profile Joined January 2009
United States1452 Posts
April 14 2010 01:51 GMT
#76
1- to end any type of activity, it is far more efficient to cut the demand for such activity at its roots, not by post-fact resolutions
2- law and punishment can only do so much to prevent an action because the underlying causes of demand do not change.

To lower the demand for match fixing:
1- expose the risk of it to gamblers so they are able to account for such risks themselves and bet less. Smaller pots, smaller profit from fixing.
2- lower any taxes imposed on gambling so gamblers do not have to bet more to earn the same or less than the amount they would otherwise earn (obligatory libertarian suggestion)
3- invest more into esports so players do not have to resort to these "alternative" means to make a living

out of ideas.
Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
shinigami
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Canada423 Posts
April 14 2010 13:51 GMT
#77
Well, unless this kind of thing happens to the community, it won't mature beyond what it was yesterday.

I'm actually pleased that it happened to high profile pros because it will serve as an effective deterrent for rookies than if a fellow rookie got caught. With all the media's attention, it will also be more difficult for everyone (without balls) to make the choice to fix matches in the future.

You can't completely stop it of course since the incentives still outweigh the consequences, so the ideal solution is to introduce a death penalty (in the form of permanent suspension (actually, let's just kill them off)) to give the consequence enough weight and effectively limit the amount of people willing to walk this tight rope.

In any case, you can't soar to new heights unless you hit the ground; the level of SC will continue to rise~
I was thinking about joining a debate club, but I was talked out of it.
DivinO
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States4796 Posts
April 14 2010 13:52 GMT
#78
On April 12 2010 23:18 gaggar wrote:

'I bet Blizzard is behind the scandal. Cui Bono?'


This is a bit cheeky, no? Makes you wonder about what the Korean view of KeSPA is.
LiquipediaBrain in my filth.
SilverSkyLark
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Philippines8437 Posts
April 14 2010 14:21 GMT
#79
'You know who's smart? Elky. He's rich AND gambles legally.'


after all the seriousness of the replies, this one had me cracking up good.
"If i lost an arm, I would play w3." -IntoTheWow || "Member of Hyuk Hyuk Hyuk cafe. He's the next Jaedong, baby!"
Yurebis
Profile Joined January 2009
United States1452 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-14 20:10:24
April 14 2010 20:09 GMT
#80
On April 14 2010 22:51 shinigami wrote:
introduce a death penalty (in the form of permanent suspension (actually, let's just kill them off))

haha :D
I wonder what kind of impact would that have really...
prob would kill progaming.
kill... progaming... hurr hurr
Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
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