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On April 13 2010 23:32 tree.hugger wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2010 22:42 PanzerDragoon wrote:On April 13 2010 20:43 StRyKeR wrote:On April 13 2010 20:26 GTR wrote:CJ just released a statement. I'll post it here I guess. + Show Spoiler +CJ엔투스, “선수 관련 악성 루머에 강력 대응할 방침”
2010 년 04월 13일 18시 43분
[포모스 심현 기자]소문에 근거한 악성 루머 자제 요청
CJ엔투스 프로게임단이 스타크래프트 불법 베팅 사이트의 승부 조작 ‘추문’과 관련해 소속 프로게이머에 관한 악성 루머에 강력 대응하겠다는 방침을 밝혔다.
CJ엔투스 사무국 관계자는 포모스에 전화를 걸어 “승부 조작 ‘추문’이 공개된 직후 e스포츠 커뮤니티를 중심으로 CJ 엔투스 소속 마재윤 선수가 승부 조작과 관련됐다는 루머가 돌고 있다”고 말한 뒤 “현재 마재윤 선수는 무릎 치료를 위해 요양중인 것이 맞고, 팀 자체적으로도 방출이나 은퇴 등 개인 신상과 관련해 어떤 내용도 결정된 것이 없다”고 전했다.
이 관계자는 이어 “승부 조작 ‘추문’과 관련해서는 검찰의 조사가 진행중인 것으로 알고 있고, 수사가 종결돼서 결과가 발표되기 전까지 섣부른 추측은 CJ엔투스 프로게임단과 선수 본인의 명예를 실추하는 것”이라며 “앞으로 이와 관련된 악성 루머가 계속 유포될 수 명예훼손을 비롯해 강력하게 대응할 방침”이라고 덧붙였다.
한편, 스타크래프트와 e스포츠 관련 커뮤니티에서는 이번 승부 조작 ‘추문’이 보도를 전후해 특정 선수의 실명을 거론하며 관련 여부를 추측하는 글들이 난무하고 있다. 하지만 이는 형법 제307조에 의할 경우 명예훼손에 해당되며, 진실일 경우에도 형법 제310조에 의해 진실한 사실로서 오로지 공공의 이익에 관한 때에만 처벌을 면할 수 있다. CJ Entus, "Plans to strongly respond to malicious accusations about players"Asks people to restrain themselves from spreading rumors.CJ Progaming team revealed that they will strongly respond to false accusations about their gamers accused of fixing games. A CJ affiliate phoned Fomos to let them know about rumors flying around about Savior. They mentioned, "Savior indeed is going through knee surgery. There has been no talk among the team about retiring or displacing Savior." The affiliate added that the investigation about match fixing is on-going and that no one should jump to conclusions that tarnish the reputation of any of the CJ players before anything is confirmed. "As long as these malicious rumors keep spreading to destroy players' reputations, we will strongly respond to them." On the other hand, there have been many articles in the e-sports community about who has fixed matches. According to Code 307, these accusations fall under libel and can be punished under law. Even if the accusations are true, by Code 310, accusers can avoid penalties only if additionally, the accusations were made for the greater good. --- Basically, CJ Entus is standing by its players, at least until proven guilty. Also, we finally seem to get an answer to why suspects in Korea cannot be named -- newspapers do not want to be charged for libel in case the accusations are false or revealing names is not considered helpful to the "greater good". THE PLOT THICKENS AKA CJ Entus is continuing to lie and try to keep the bullshit knee surgery excuse alive Whether that statement is true, partially true, or completely false, you have absolutely no credibility in determining that for us. And you should take to heart the part about spreading rumors. Rumors don't help anyone.
actually, rumors start investigations.
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Rumors also deviate investigations
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On April 13 2010 22:25 Floydian wrote:It's amazing how much press this story is getting, it's made the front page of slashdot now too. Which is a big news and technology site. It's got a fair few comments too, reading now.
I played Starcraft for a while, and I was very impressed with how balanced the gameplay was and how thought out the interface was. Blizzard did a great job making that game.
But it really stifles the creativity of the player by restricting actions to a very specific set of pre-programmed actions. You *must* farm for Vespene gas. you *must* collect crystals. There is little room for true creativity and adventuring. Today's FPS games are actually getting better at allowing this kind of freedom.
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On April 14 2010 00:46 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2010 22:25 Floydian wrote:It's amazing how much press this story is getting, it's made the front page of slashdot now too. Which is a big news and technology site. It's got a fair few comments too, reading now. Show nested quote +I played Starcraft for a while, and I was very impressed with how balanced the gameplay was and how thought out the interface was. Blizzard did a great job making that game.
But it really stifles the creativity of the player by restricting actions to a very specific set of pre-programmed actions. You *must* farm for Vespene gas. you *must* collect crystals. There is little room for true creativity and adventuring. Today's FPS games are actually getting better at allowing this kind of freedom.
I hope you're quoting that for it's humour, cause I find it damn funny.
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On April 14 2010 00:46 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2010 22:25 Floydian wrote:It's amazing how much press this story is getting, it's made the front page of slashdot now too. Which is a big news and technology site. It's got a fair few comments too, reading now. Show nested quote +I played Starcraft for a while, and I was very impressed with how balanced the gameplay was and how thought out the interface was. Blizzard did a great job making that game.
But it really stifles the creativity of the player by restricting actions to a very specific set of pre-programmed actions. You *must* farm for Vespene gas. you *must* collect crystals. There is little room for true creativity and adventuring. Today's FPS games are actually getting better at allowing this kind of freedom.
Oh yeah, there's a lot of shit posts there, no doubt about it. That's to be expected though. Quite a large amount of their readers are in the tech/science/programming field, not all of them are into gaming. Was merely pointing it out to show how widespread this news is getting. Whether you like the comments or not, slashdot is a big site (ever heard the term 'slashdotted' ? )
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Could this be the ideal step to make the transition to SC2? I mean I won't be as interested in the proscene as I was before and be watching more sc2.
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For real, this is upsetting, but lets all take a deep breath. I don't see why we gotta just assume all the guys that are mentioned are guilty. Websites tend to throw out big names to get more views.
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On April 13 2010 21:47 Zona wrote:Wat. Boxer is marrying a single mother? It could be true love and all...but a move like that for someone whose job prospects outside ESPORTS are probably not that hot, and even in ESPORTS are more due to his past accomplishments and reputation rather than his current skill? Show nested quote +On April 13 2010 09:31 Hinanawi wrote:edit: and Estro owes Ret a big apology if it turns out that it was  SangHo or  UpMaGiC who leaked those replays. Seriously. This, too.
If it's one person in the proscene that probably doesn't have any money problems at all it would be Boxer...
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On April 14 2010 00:46 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2010 22:25 Floydian wrote:It's amazing how much press this story is getting, it's made the front page of slashdot now too. Which is a big news and technology site. It's got a fair few comments too, reading now. Show nested quote +I played Starcraft for a while, and I was very impressed with how balanced the gameplay was and how thought out the interface was. Blizzard did a great job making that game.
But it really stifles the creativity of the player by restricting actions to a very specific set of pre-programmed actions. You *must* farm for Vespene gas. you *must* collect crystals. There is little room for true creativity and adventuring. Today's FPS games are actually getting better at allowing this kind of freedom.
Lol creativity. If you want that, go play LSD (for PS1, don't do drugs).
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I can picture Savior as some mob boss telling his cronies to break a dude's legs while keeping that CJ face.
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On April 14 2010 01:08 Owompa wrote:
For real, this is upsetting, but lets all take a deep breath. I don't see why we gotta just assume all the guys that are mentioned are guilty. Websites tend to throw out big names to get more views.
Rekrul has historically been an accurate source of information on the korean scene. He made this thread a day before the news broke on a reputable korean website.
There are also other factors that make it seem true. 1. Good players being taken off proteam roster 2. Savior's performance and buying habits 3. Sea's statement
I know your post is saying "the guys mentioned" but the few who have been mentioned fall under the points that I just stated.
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On April 14 2010 01:01 Floydian wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2010 00:46 KwarK wrote:On April 13 2010 22:25 Floydian wrote:It's amazing how much press this story is getting, it's made the front page of slashdot now too. Which is a big news and technology site. It's got a fair few comments too, reading now. I played Starcraft for a while, and I was very impressed with how balanced the gameplay was and how thought out the interface was. Blizzard did a great job making that game.
But it really stifles the creativity of the player by restricting actions to a very specific set of pre-programmed actions. You *must* farm for Vespene gas. you *must* collect crystals. There is little room for true creativity and adventuring. Today's FPS games are actually getting better at allowing this kind of freedom. Oh yeah, there's a lot of shit posts there, no doubt about it. That's to be expected though. Quite a large amount of their readers are in the tech/science/programming field, not all of them are into gaming. Was merely pointing it out to show how widespread this news is getting. Whether you like the comments or not, slashdot is a big site (ever heard the term ' slashdotted' ? )
Just realised that post you quoted was probably a joke. BadAnalogyGuy (the guy who posted that) always does stuff like that. Don't think he's that misguided. Guess I should have done more then skim-read.
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jeez, what's next... a tossgirl sextape surfaces?
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On April 14 2010 01:25 amazingoopah wrote:
jeez, what's next... a tossgirl sextape surfaces?
hope so
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On April 14 2010 01:25 amazingoopah wrote:
jeez, what's next... a tossgirl sextape surfaces?
That would be a whole different issue.
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On April 14 2010 01:25 amazingoopah wrote:
jeez, what's next... a tossgirl sextape surfaces?
Oh yeah ! I sure hope so :D
Hopefully one day we'll be able to say "Amen to that story being leaked!" 
... Or Alleluia if you prefer 
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On April 13 2010 23:32 tree.hugger wrote:
Whether that statement is true, partially true, or completely false, you have absolutely no credibility in determining that for us.
And you should take to heart the part about spreading rumors. Rumors don't help anyone.
Credibility has nothing to do with it, it's an opinion based on publicly available information.
Of course anyone can draw whatever conclusion they want from that information. But between Rekrul's posts, changed Proleague rules and team rosters, Korean netizen's comments (especially the part about having discouraged betting on certain games) the chances of Savior being innocent is practically nil. And if Savior is guilty CJ certainly knows about it, because they have the same information and more. At that point writing a threatening letter to a site that covers the issue just doesn't look good.
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they now need drugs in it to make it proper
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