EPTKorea Swept In Illegal Starcraft League Gambling - Page 22
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unsoundlogic
United States391 Posts
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tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
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PanzerDragoon
United States822 Posts
On April 13 2010 00:25 Slow Motion wrote: Nah, we need a Tiger Woods style sex scandal and a steroids scandal first. We are 1/3 of the way there now though. Bisu was in Thailand, so that takes care of the sex scandal | ||
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Draconizard
628 Posts
On April 13 2010 00:29 unsoundlogic wrote: Man, if Jaedong was a part of this it makes the Jaedong vs. ForGG series almost make sense. If there was no fixing, it can still be easily explained by the maps and the fact that they were team mates at the time. | ||
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zealing
Canada806 Posts
sad...but not suprised | ||
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fly.stat
United States449 Posts
On April 12 2010 22:23 motbob wrote: Or better yet.... "A former pro gamer coach" - SDM "a former match caster/announcer" - Tasteless "a pro-gaming scene reporter" - artosis "numerous former pro-gamers" - rekrul, legionnaire, assem, nazgul It's so obvious! I almost posted this exact thing, but I thought I'd get banned for even mentioning those people in this thread (as a joke obviously). I was going to replace artosis with lil susie though rofl. SDM, Tasteless, and Lil Susie - The Unholy Trinity you heard it here first folks. | ||
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Antisocialmunky
United States5913 Posts
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pheus
Australia161 Posts
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oo_xerox
United States852 Posts
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
On April 13 2010 00:35 pheus wrote: artosis doesn't even speak korean Oh my goodness, you've totally debunked my theory of Artosis being the leader of a gambling ring. Good job. | ||
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SC2Pandemic
United States18 Posts
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iFU.pauline
France1781 Posts
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Subversive
Australia2229 Posts
On April 13 2010 00:22 Maynard wrote: What happened to war3 and map rigging for those who don't know? I like it when people link me to the threads and articles I've missed. So I searched and found this: http://www.sk-gaming.com/content/9111-MBC_Map_Scandal_Update Hope that helps Maynard  | ||
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Neobick
Sweden208 Posts
On April 13 2010 00:27 Foucault wrote: Yeah because we know that every progamer makes millions playing Starcraft. Why oh why won't you practice 10 hours a day for 3 years and most likely don't make any real bank. lol what a retarded post no offence Maybe because you think its fun? There is more to life than money you know? Or maybe you dont. | ||
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BWdero
Netherlands476 Posts
Please don't be true. Please be false allegations. | ||
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gngfn
United States1726 Posts
On April 13 2010 00:18 cognizantfire wrote: It's quite hard to visualize Jaedong being involved in the scam though, every time he loses a game he looks absolutely disappointed and pissed at himself. He kind of loves winning too much... Let's just hope the list "under investigation" is just a check on everyone, since according to Korean sites the list is only a small part of the whole, so I'm assuming they are checking on most matches to make sure. I agree with you wholeheartedly that from what we know of Jaedong's personality as it comes through in interviews and facial expressions and stuff, he wouldn't do something like this. But consider it objectively for a moment. Jaedong is possibly the most underpaid progamer at about $160k/yr, supposedly around half of what Bisu makes, and due to KeSPA's ridiculous free agency rules, which require any team that acquires an expensive player to compensate his original team at 2x his original salary, not a single team bid on Jaedong when he declared free agency last year. He ended up staying with OZ with no change in his salary. Meanwhile Jaedong is talking about how he wants to retire at some point and go to college, and there are shady figures offering five-figure sums for him to drop games and/or betting sites where he can bet against himself and make tons by losing. If you're not making the money you deserve to begin with, your own team is screwing you over knowing full well that KeSPA's rules mean there's nothing you can do about it, and you know that as soon as your skills decline you'll be left with no earning potential whatsoever, wouldn't it make sense looking to the future to cash out Savior-style and then quit? What does he owe Hwaseung, which in addition to the stinginess has shown an inability to raise new talent (Perfectman lol) and an unwillingness to acquire good players from other teams to help Jaedong out? They even gave ForGG away to KT right at the peak of his career and are rumored to have basically forced out Anytime, the only other good players on the team! I'm not trying to argue that Jaedong was involved. I don't think he would do it. I guess the point I'm trying to make here is that the existence of such strong incentives for arguably Starcraft's best player for a multi-year period to cheat proves above all else that the pro Starcraft world is incredibly exploitative. If the argument for Jaedong to participate is so persuasive, it's not even remotely shocking that someone like Upmagic would actually go for it. | ||
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BluzMan
Russian Federation4235 Posts
On April 12 2010 22:51 Captain Peabody wrote: Baseball is a LOT more established in America than Starcraft in Korea. At the time of the doping scandal, we'd already been playing baseball for like a hundred years, with plenty of big names and famous guys well in the past. There was never a chance that everyone would simply stop playing Baseball. With Starcraft, we've had like ten years of pro-gaming, and the game's still not nearly as accepted as it could be in Korean society; this, especially with the involvement of such big-name players, could easily destroy all the respect and prestige Starcraft has gained over the last ten years. Plus, we've got Starcraft 2 coming out, with a big pressure to switch games and and abandon Broodwar. You really can't compare the two situations. (sigh)  Am I the only one who thinks that such a scandal could improve the acceptance of progaming instead of setting it on the path to oblivion? This will get to news and will most likely acknowledge people who previously had no idea that progaming is actually a big business. For the average office rat this is a sign that things are serious and progaming is a large established market. I'm leaning towards the thought that progaming as a whole will benefit from the whole story. As for KeSPA and the whole thing: they are the ones who benefit from rigged matches most. TV ratings depend on drama and drama depends on unexpectable results. Your average subscriber doesn't want a single big player to demolish everyone time and time again, no, he wants big names to drop and the underdogs winning time from time. Rigged matches provide that. I won't be surprised if the right people in the mentioned teams and in KeSPA itself were more than well-informed. | ||
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Maynard
United States889 Posts
On April 13 2010 00:41 Subversive wrote: I like it when people link me to the threads and articles I've missed. So I searched and found this: http://www.sk-gaming.com/content/9111-MBC_Map_Scandal_Update Hope that helps Maynard IC TY | ||
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avilo
United States4100 Posts
Rigged games+betting+throwing games, check. Performance enhancement drugs, soon? | ||
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konadora
Singapore66366 Posts
On April 13 2010 00:44 gngfn wrote: I agree with you wholeheartedly that from what we know of Jaedong's personality as it comes through in interviews and facial expressions and stuff, he wouldn't do something like this. But consider it objectively for a moment. Jaedong is possibly the most underpaid progamer at about $160k/yr, supposedly around half of what Bisu makes, and due to KeSPA's ridiculous free agency rules, which require any team that acquires an expensive player to compensate his original team at 2x his original salary, not a single team bid on Jaedong when he declared free agency last year. He ended up staying with OZ with no change in his salary. Meanwhile Jaedong is talking about how he wants to retire at some point and go to college, and there are shady figures offering five-figure sums for him to drop games and/or betting sites where he can bet against himself and make tons by losing. If you're not making the money you deserve to begin with, your own team is screwing you over knowing full well that KeSPA's rules mean there's nothing you can do about it, and you know that as soon as your skills decline you'll be left with no earning potential whatsoever, wouldn't it make sense looking to the future to cash out Savior-style and then quit? What does he owe Hwaseung, which in addition to the stinginess has shown an inability to raise new talent (Perfectman lol) and an unwillingness to acquire good players from other teams to help Jaedong out? They even gave ForGG away to KT right at the peak of his career and are rumored to have basically forced out Anytime, the only other good players on the team! I'm not trying to argue that Jaedong was involved. I don't think he would do it. I guess the point I'm trying to make here is that the existence of such strong incentives for arguably Starcraft's best player for a multi-year period to cheat proves above all else that the pro Starcraft world is incredibly exploitative. If the argument for Jaedong to participate is so persuasive, it's not even remotely shocking that someone like Upmagic would actually go for it. Excellent post here, sir. | ||
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