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PanzerDragoon
Profile Joined March 2010
United States822 Posts
April 12 2010 14:12 GMT
#361
On April 12 2010 22:46 BrownBear wrote:
Heh. Luxury: the Pete Rose of eSports.

There seems to be a lot of overreaction here... Remember that though a ton of names appeared on the list, there are still a lot of very high level progamers (Flash, Baby, Zero, Light, etc.) that have yet to be implicated. This isn't going to kill eSports, it'll just be like the doping scandal in baseball. It will suck, but people will move on.

Savior would be a closer example, especially if he was betting against himself
PanzerDragoon
Profile Joined March 2010
United States822 Posts
April 12 2010 14:13 GMT
#362
On April 12 2010 22:51 Captain Peabody wrote:
Show nested quote +
Heh. Luxury: the Pete Rose of eSports.

There seems to be a lot of overreaction here... Remember that though a ton of names appeared on the list, there are still a lot of very high level progamers (Flash, Baby, Zero, Light, etc.) that have yet to be implicated. This isn't going to kill eSports, it'll just be like the doping scandal in baseball. It will suck, but people will move on.


Baseball is a LOT more established in America than Starcraft in Korea. At the time of the doping scandal, we'd already been playing baseball for like a hundred years, with plenty of big names and famous guys well in the past. There was never a chance that everyone would simply stop playing Baseball.

With Starcraft, we've had like ten years of pro-gaming, and the game's still not nearly as accepted as it could be in Korean society; this, especially with the involvement of such big-name players, could easily destroy all the respect and prestige Starcraft has gained over the last ten years. Plus, we've got Starcraft 2 coming out, with a big pressure to switch games and and abandon Broodwar. You really can't compare the two situations.

(sigh)

But if you remember, in 1919, baseball being relatively young, had a huge scandal just like this: organized crime paying off the players of the Chicago White Sox to throw the games.
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51709 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-12 14:15:42
April 12 2010 14:14 GMT
#363
i don't see any reason whatsoever to put any blame at all on kespa. they even tried (through private talks according to articles) to stop this, but they (illegal sites) just kept coming back.

if you're going to blame someone with their 'crappy contracts and pay', blame the corporations that own the pro teams.
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Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
April 12 2010 14:16 GMT
#364
Well... That's a bummer =l
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7328 Posts
April 12 2010 14:16 GMT
#365
On April 12 2010 23:14 GTR wrote:
i don't see a reason to put any blame at all on kespa. they even tried to (private talks) stop this, but they just kept coming back.

if you're going to blame someone with their 'crappy contracts and pay', blame the corporations that own the pro teams.



the crappy contracts are a direct result of the kespa and the lack of a players union/free agency. The contracts wouldnt be even as close to as bad if players were free to move to teams as they wished when their contracts expired.
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PanzerDragoon
Profile Joined March 2010
United States822 Posts
April 12 2010 14:17 GMT
#366
On April 12 2010 23:14 GTR wrote:
i don't see any reason whatsoever to put any blame at all on kespa. they even tried (through private talks according to articles) to stop this, but they (illegal sites) just kept coming back.

if you're going to blame someone with their 'crappy contracts and pay', blame the corporations that own the pro teams.

I think the blame falls on kespa probably playing a part in suppressing the scandal. If its been happening for years, and everyones aware of the betting sites, there is no way kespa wasn't aware of the possible shenanigans. If it comes out that they looked the other way while players were bribed, its going to look REALLY BAD.
miseiler
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States1389 Posts
April 12 2010 14:17 GMT
#367
So that's it? We're just going to get some rumours and then some people demoted to the B team or retiring early, but we'll never really know if they cheated?

If anyone gets convicted, can the names be released under Korean laws?
"Jinro soo manly wearing only a T-Shirt while the Koreans freeze in their jackets" -- Double_O
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Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9111 Posts
April 12 2010 14:19 GMT
#368
So this is why (P)Bisu has been sucking lately?

Sad days.... I was hoping this was a joke. Can people who live in Korea tell us how big a deal this is in the media/press an stuff? I'd imagine it's getting a lot of attention.
josemb40
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Peru611 Posts
April 12 2010 14:20 GMT
#369
On April 12 2010 15:56 Sadistx wrote:
(Z)sAviOr: I will destroy everyone in 2010.
Unless you pay me not to.


teeheee... terrible news btw, they have destroyed what sc stands for
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gaggar
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada118 Posts
April 12 2010 14:24 GMT
#370
On April 12 2010 23:04 JWD wrote:
why won't Fomos release the names of the suspects? And are we really supposed to believe that no current players are involved in this?


It's illegal in Korea to name names either for implications or actual crimes. There are very few exceptions and those were some of the worst cases imaginable.
gngfn
Profile Joined January 2009
United States1726 Posts
April 12 2010 14:24 GMT
#371
On April 12 2010 23:16 Sadist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2010 23:14 GTR wrote:
i don't see a reason to put any blame at all on kespa. they even tried to (private talks) stop this, but they just kept coming back.

if you're going to blame someone with their 'crappy contracts and pay', blame the corporations that own the pro teams.



the crappy contracts are a direct result of the kespa and the lack of a players union/free agency. The contracts wouldnt be even as close to as bad if players were free to move to teams as they wished when their contracts expired.

Also, isn't KeSPA basically made up of execs from proteams or their sponsors? Like, isn't the current head of KeSPA a guy from SK Telecom? Team management and KeSPA are so intertwined that it seems ridiculous to try to place blame on the one while absolving the other.

Not only that, as the governing body of SC, KeSPA has an obligation to expose things like this when they happen, not sweep them under the rug to keep the profits flowing in. KeSPA may not have directly participated but its failure to do its duty is almost as bad. MLB doesn't have a good record of dealing with scandals IMO, but at the very least Pete Rose and the Black Sox players were publicly investigated and banned from baseball for life.
chongu
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Malaysia2608 Posts
April 12 2010 14:25 GMT
#372
On April 12 2010 19:33 SuperArc wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Effort vs Hogil in today's games. There is no way that game wasn't thrown.


Prime example if there ever was one
SC2 is to BW, what coke is to wine.
lone_hydra
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada1460 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-12 14:38:08
April 12 2010 14:28 GMT
#373
On April 12 2010 23:25 chongu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2010 19:33 SuperArc wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Effort vs Hogil in today's games. There is no way that game wasn't thrown.


Prime example if there ever was one


God, we have been over this. There is no way people would throw games when they are currently under investigation. I hope you are fucking kidding. Also, Effort cannot throw a game due to the format...

I cannot believe Bisu would throw games, dude has been seeing a pychologist, going on vacation, and especially after Kingdom interview. Seems like he is losing because of mentality and he is trying everything to fix it.

I can see hero throwing games though. 500 apm guy should not be losing that many games. I can see Best throwing games also. I can especially see the twins throwing games. Their win loss streaks are so damn random and unexplainable. Although my heart says no, I can see Stork throwing games as well. There are some games in which his play lacks so much, like he doesn't give a fuck.
Fav Gamers: 2)Stork 5)Bisu
Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
April 12 2010 14:31 GMT
#374
oh man this is going to be rough. going to lose all faith in my favourite players if it was found that they were involved...
If you watch Godzilla backwards it's about a benevolent lizard who helps rebuild a city and then moonwalks into the ocean.
d(O.o)a
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada5066 Posts
April 12 2010 14:32 GMT
#375
On April 12 2010 23:28 lone_hydra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2010 23:25 chongu wrote:
On April 12 2010 19:33 SuperArc wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Effort vs Hogil in today's games. There is no way that game wasn't thrown.


Prime example if there ever was one


God, we have been over this. There is no way people would throw games when they are currently under investigation. I hope you are fucking kidding. Also, Effort cannot throw a game due to the format...


Well, theoretically he could throw his game for people betting on Hite over CJ but I agree it is extremely unlikely that he would throw a game right now.
Hi.
Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
April 12 2010 14:46 GMT
#376
I WANT MY LIQUIBET BETS BACK!

just kidding, in all seriousness this is just...completely wild an unexpected on my part, but seems less surprising in retrospect...crazy stuff man.
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prog.ress
Profile Joined April 2010
United States142 Posts
April 12 2010 14:47 GMT
#377
This is all pretty surreal. I can't believe it's only been a couple of days since the rumors broke and now it's getting picked up by Fomos.

It's crazy how second looks at things like this are eerily different. Maybe he was upset about the loss, maybe he was too busy counting the money in his head. :/
Adventure without risk is Disneyland
BrownBear
Profile Joined March 2010
United States6894 Posts
April 12 2010 14:48 GMT
#378
On April 12 2010 23:12 PanzerDragoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2010 22:46 BrownBear wrote:
Heh. Luxury: the Pete Rose of eSports.

There seems to be a lot of overreaction here... Remember that though a ton of names appeared on the list, there are still a lot of very high level progamers (Flash, Baby, Zero, Light, etc.) that have yet to be implicated. This isn't going to kill eSports, it'll just be like the doping scandal in baseball. It will suck, but people will move on.

Savior would be a closer example, especially if he was betting against himself


You know, I actually meant to write Savior there... I guess I had Luxury on the brain or something. ><
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thankyu05
Profile Joined December 2009
Korea (South)3 Posts
April 12 2010 14:50 GMT
#379
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savior ㅠ.ㅠ
11cc
Profile Joined May 2008
Finland561 Posts
April 12 2010 14:50 GMT
#380
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