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unionbank
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Australia666 Posts
April 12 2010 13:41 GMT
#341
I just simply cannot imagine the pro gamers we have seen throughout the years do such a thing, although its not confirmed i believe they were forced and put under immense pressure to abide by the illegal betting website people or the previous pro gamers/retired/etc. It just seems out of control that this can happen to any pro gamer at any level of fame/status. I can't put this any other way but to assume that the pro gamers were black mailed/pressured/demoted/bullied and countless other malicious acts of crime. I hope i am right so we can forgive the players we have loved for the little wrong they have done.
김정우.... 이겼다!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Captain Peabody
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3110 Posts
April 12 2010 13:43 GMT
#342
Come to think of it, I would really be surprised if it were Stork, just because the guy always looks so devastated whenever he loses; plus, there are all the interviews where he talks about how upset he gets when he loses (drinking, jokingly saying he would drown himself in the river, etc). And all the complaining about map balance. Just in general how "open" and vocal he is in interviews...wouldn't really make much sense if he were losing the games on purpose. But whatever...

We REALLY need a official list...before we all go totally crazy here.
Dies Irae venit. youtube.com/SnobbinsFilms
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8098 Posts
April 12 2010 13:45 GMT
#343
I really hope July isnt involved. so a full list will never be revealed? :\
Free Palestine
BrownBear
Profile Joined March 2010
United States6894 Posts
April 12 2010 13:46 GMT
#344
Heh. Luxury: the Pete Rose of eSports.

There seems to be a lot of overreaction here... Remember that though a ton of names appeared on the list, there are still a lot of very high level progamers (Flash, Baby, Zero, Light, etc.) that have yet to be implicated. This isn't going to kill eSports, it'll just be like the doping scandal in baseball. It will suck, but people will move on.
SUNSFANNED
Captain Peabody
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3110 Posts
April 12 2010 13:47 GMT
#345
I would think it would be pretty obvious once people start getting kicked off of pro-teams and/or arrested...
Dies Irae venit. youtube.com/SnobbinsFilms
Magic84
Profile Joined October 2008
Russian Federation1381 Posts
April 12 2010 13:50 GMT
#346
On April 12 2010 22:43 Captain Peabody wrote:
Come to think of it, I would really be surprised if it were Stork, just because the guy always looks so devastated whenever he loses; plus, there are all the interviews where he talks about how upset he gets when he loses (drinking, jokingly saying he would drown himself in the river, etc). And all the complaining about map balance. Just in general how "open" and vocal he is in interviews...wouldn't really make much sense if he were losing the games on purpose. But whatever...

We REALLY need a official list...before we all go totally crazy here.

Stork is one of those guys, who doesn't give a damn too much anymore. He's the perfect guy to do such sorts of things, lux, yarnc some other guys have this sorts of attitude.
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66161 Posts
April 12 2010 13:50 GMT
#347
On April 12 2010 22:41 KristianJS wrote:
To be honest, if every name on that 'insider-list' turns out to be true, the blow to SC might be fatal. I mean shit, can you imagine if even Jaedong and Stork did it?

I don't think that list can be fully true though. I can't find it in myself to consider some of those names as actual possibilities. On the flip side, that's exactly why its truth would be a death-blow.

if it's players like Leta, sAviOr, Justin (who cares about this guy lol) and the twins, it might not be that bad (yes I did mention sAviOr), but for those who are heading the modern SC scene like Jaedong/Bisu/Stork/BeSt, this is just terrible terrible news.
POGGERS
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
April 12 2010 13:51 GMT
#348
There will be no official list until arrests have been made. The list that was up on dcinside was a list of names of progamers whose matches are under investigation, NOT a guilty list.
영원히 엠비씨게임 히어로 팬.
Captain Peabody
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3110 Posts
April 12 2010 13:51 GMT
#349
Heh. Luxury: the Pete Rose of eSports.

There seems to be a lot of overreaction here... Remember that though a ton of names appeared on the list, there are still a lot of very high level progamers (Flash, Baby, Zero, Light, etc.) that have yet to be implicated. This isn't going to kill eSports, it'll just be like the doping scandal in baseball. It will suck, but people will move on.


Baseball is a LOT more established in America than Starcraft in Korea. At the time of the doping scandal, we'd already been playing baseball for like a hundred years, with plenty of big names and famous guys well in the past. There was never a chance that everyone would simply stop playing Baseball.

With Starcraft, we've had like ten years of pro-gaming, and the game's still not nearly as accepted as it could be in Korean society; this, especially with the involvement of such big-name players, could easily destroy all the respect and prestige Starcraft has gained over the last ten years. Plus, we've got Starcraft 2 coming out, with a big pressure to switch games and and abandon Broodwar. You really can't compare the two situations.

(sigh)
Dies Irae venit. youtube.com/SnobbinsFilms
KristianJS
Profile Joined October 2009
2107 Posts
April 12 2010 13:51 GMT
#350
On April 12 2010 22:47 Captain Peabody wrote:
I would think it would be pretty obvious once people start getting kicked off of pro-teams and/or arrested...


Yeah, but they really shouldn't cover it up even if it's in such a superficial way. This is the kind of thing which can only heal if it's brought out completely and entirely to the public.
You need to be 100% behind someone before you can stab them in the back
eSen1a
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Australia1058 Posts
April 12 2010 13:52 GMT
#351
On April 12 2010 21:42 konadora wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2010 21:37 Zzoram wrote:
On April 12 2010 21:35 Squeegy wrote:
I'm just glad Boxer isn't most likely involved. (I'm on page 7 and hope not to be proved wrong.)


Boxer is definitely not involved. You can see it in his eyes every time he plays, that he's playing for the fans, not money. He does goofy stuff to entertain us.

Yeah man, Boxer invented e-sports. How can you even doubt HIS passion and sincerity and love for ESPORTS, even amongst this? The Emperor plays for the love of the game and the fans, not for the cash.



hehe obviously missed out on quakeworld
Whiplash
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States2928 Posts
April 12 2010 13:55 GMT
#352
If you think about it that list has people that have been losing weird ways. It really saddens me to see that list because most of my favorite players are listed. I hope they aren't all convicted and have evidence to clear their name.
Cinematographer / Steadicam Operator. Former Starcraft commentator/player
Captain Peabody
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3110 Posts
April 12 2010 13:59 GMT
#353
Yeah, but they really shouldn't cover it up even if it's in such a superficial way. This is the kind of thing which can only heal if it's brought out completely and entirely to the public.


Yeah, I agree. The only way that the scene can get past this is to get all the information...
Dies Irae venit. youtube.com/SnobbinsFilms
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-12 14:04:20
April 12 2010 13:59 GMT
#354
Why would you bring up a recent baseball scandal? Here is a much more analogous event, that I'm pretty sure you can directly compare this to.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sox
@RealHeyoka | ESL / DreamHack StarCraft Lead
MidKnight
Profile Joined December 2008
Lithuania884 Posts
April 12 2010 14:01 GMT
#355
This is the saddest news in the long time..

Maybe it will turn out that SC progaming was just another RAW where most stuff was faked just to make it more exciting..
Weeeee..
SilverSkyLark
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Philippines8437 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-12 14:05:13
April 12 2010 14:01 GMT
#356
Is this like sports gambling?

maybe I should be specific...

like players are getting payed to throw matches so some illegal sports gamblers can get their money...shit...and with that much of a list? crap....

even our Collegiate Basketball Leagues manage to suppress and actually get people out (players and fans) because of match fixing allegations...for this to happen to sc is just so...sad...
"If i lost an arm, I would play w3." -IntoTheWow || "Member of Hyuk Hyuk Hyuk cafe. He's the next Jaedong, baby!"
omninmo
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
2349 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-12 14:22:09
April 12 2010 14:04 GMT
#357
On April 12 2010 21:43 Magic84 wrote:
Oh wow. Mafia spirit lives on, people just can't live without f*cking with the system.

this statement, and the machete wielding smiley, does nothing to lessen the fear i have of russian people.

i always thought ma jaeyoon looked guilty during all his slump/losing times. i thought it was because of his christian guilt from soliciting sex instead of practicing. but, "i am a disgrace to my family and team even though i bought my parents a new apartment" was probably more accurate.

you can't blame these kids... asians in general and specifically those born after 1990 (those from the internet generation) are equally sneaky and greedy, prone to pressure from authority, lacking in any sort of consistent ethics. imagine the smarmy uncle who convinced the kids into doing this.
what sort of sordid tactics did he use, "hey, dongseng, i got 20K for you and your mom. you can fuck my girlfriend first. maestro came on her face. here's a cigar. do what i say..."
JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
April 12 2010 14:04 GMT
#358
why won't Fomos release the names of the suspects? And are we really supposed to believe that no current players are involved in this?
✌
jabberwokie
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada142 Posts
April 12 2010 14:09 GMT
#359
If there were more money in gaming and these guys got more out of what they are putting in this might be less of an issue. I think this is almosst inevitable however unfortunate as savior was one of my favorites. Other competitive industries have suffered similarly why would we think SC would miraculously escape it especially with the growing association with gambling.
snotboogie
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Australia3550 Posts
April 12 2010 14:11 GMT
#360
This is what happens when you treat players like shit. These guys give everything for a bullshit contract and reduced pay. KeSPA brought this on themselves. This is chickens coming home to roost, that's all.
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