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JohnColtrane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Australia4813 Posts
March 16 2010 22:57 GMT
#81
it's fair enough to be excited about the match, but the endless screaming that goes on by the fans is really bad >.< i hope they realise that they may have influenced the outcome of this and other games with their behaviour
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dRaW
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada5744 Posts
March 16 2010 23:05 GMT
#82
He was scouting for proxies anyway, flash is on clear hackmode, I don't think you can legitimize an "ear" hack or anything like that, he's too good.
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Azrael1111
Profile Joined July 2008
United States550 Posts
March 16 2010 23:05 GMT
#83
Oh please, why wouldn't he loop around to clear the whole thing anyways? And crowdhack didn't help him find the proxies the second time.
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
March 16 2010 23:12 GMT
#84
On March 17 2010 00:17 Liquid_Turbo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2010 00:13 Wangsta wrote:
I highly, highly doubt that flash heard anything, given the headphones + soundproof booths.


Did you not read the OP?

"Light also said that he had heard the audiences' roar. Proxy Barracks could have beaten Flash's tactics," manager Ha Tae Ki stressed, "today's game is not just simple 1 win."


Though I do agree Flash probably heard the audience, your argument proves no point, as Light could very well have lied to try to get a regame or somehow enter semis.
:)
Kiante
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7069 Posts
March 16 2010 23:12 GMT
#85
i love how he's like "lets recover lights dignity"...how does someone attempt cheese like that and have "dignity"
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Mykill
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada3402 Posts
March 16 2010 23:14 GMT
#86
uhh this has happend to Flash WAYYY to much
audiences should just shut the fuck up
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tbrown47
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1235 Posts
March 16 2010 23:17 GMT
#87
can someone link game where leta looks to the crowd against flash? all i could find was him supposedly doing it against ForGG
just here
MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10346 Posts
March 16 2010 23:18 GMT
#88
Hey, if Flash gets to cheese, why can't Light?...
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Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
March 16 2010 23:22 GMT
#89
The more I watch the VOD the more pissed off I get; what a retarded accusation this is.
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jiabung
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States720 Posts
March 16 2010 23:26 GMT
#90
I don't think those screams were particularly loud. If Light did indeed hear those screams, then progamers must hear random screams all the time. Everytime someone holds up a sign saying something funny or cool, or the camera pans to some couple kissing, etc.; they must be able to hear those reactions as well.
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
March 16 2010 23:30 GMT
#91
On March 17 2010 01:17 Too_MuchZerg wrote:
Shame that Flash didn't show true sportsmanship and asked for regame rather than silently accepting that he "cheated".

And if someone ask Flash about it he most likely deny it.


Jumping to conclusions much? Flash had planned 14cc after scout, so he scouted for proxy. its likely that even if he hadnt seen anything there, he would have gone down into the 6 o'clock expo, and then checked behind the min-only above his nat as those are both places of common proxies (and you cant 14CC on that map without being 100% sure your opponent isn't proxying).

Whether Light heard anything or not doesn't really matter, Flash was checking everywhere.
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LucasWoJ
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States936 Posts
March 16 2010 23:33 GMT
#92
If Flash heard something, it's not cheating. But if he did hear something and chose to completely ignore it and point to his game sense, I am tremendously disappointed in him.
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moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-17 00:09:24
March 16 2010 23:40 GMT
#93
On March 17 2010 04:58 DreaM)XeRO wrote:
honestly that proxy position was carefully selected by Light and his coaches to avoid a normal scout

c'mon how many other proxies have been found by careful scouting?
Flash's scv was trying to get to Light's main, he heard a giant roar as he passed a certain area, and he found out via giant roar that there was proxy



A) a lot of proxies are found by scouting (if they weren't, 100% of games would be proxies).
B) Flash wasn't heading to Light's main (not yet anyway), he was going 14CC on a 2 player map. You can't do that unless if you're absolutely sure there isn't a proxy, so he would have checked that area, inside the 6 o'clock bottom, and behind the min line at his 3rd (as well as on the high ground).


It's pretty suspect that those booths (and headphones) have been used for so long now, with matches much louder than these (like flash/jd, and ACE fangirls) and no player has yet to complain about those booths and being able to hear it. I say, either way it doesn't matter for this situation, but OGN can insulate those booths further if Coach Ha demands it. Also, like someone else mentioned above, if indeed the right booth wasn't insulated properly, that would mean that all the MBC players were able to hear the crowd vs KT (giving them an advantage), why didn't they say something then?

Edit: and rewatching the match now with the VOD just makes this accusation seem even less credible imo.
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EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
March 16 2010 23:46 GMT
#94
Yea like other have said, after watching the game again, nothing Flash did seems out of the ordinary. He looped all the way around the bottom edge of that pocket looking for proxies: he definitely wasn't heading straight to Light's base. He then proceeded to check the top half of the proxy as one might expect, and found the barracks. Seems perfectly normal to me, especially when you are 14cc'ing.
11cc
Profile Joined May 2008
Finland561 Posts
March 16 2010 23:55 GMT
#95
Watched the vod. The coach should maybe worry more about his own dignity after this

Light still rocks though, but not as much as flash
XiaoJoyce-
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
China2908 Posts
March 17 2010 00:05 GMT
#96
Flash: I misclicked my scv and it moved back.
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Kyo Yuy
Profile Joined January 2009
United States1286 Posts
March 17 2010 01:21 GMT
#97
OGN and KeSPA have both the replay and the VOD. If Flash really did change the direction of his SCV it should be painfully obvious in the replay that such an action did occur.

The MBC Coach should have the replay, provided that Light would've saved it afterwards. Why doesn't the coach look at the replay and make a claim based on that? If Flash truly did react to the audience, there should be a VERY STRONG indication of such an action happening in the replay, which analyzes a player's every action.
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hideo
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Canada1641 Posts
March 17 2010 01:33 GMT
#98
This isn't the first time I've suspected this to be a problem.

I don't mind the results of that match at all, but it would be nice to see some kind of improvements to the sound isolation of the venue.
LunarDestiny
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States4177 Posts
March 17 2010 01:36 GMT
#99
On March 17 2010 07:48 YoonHo wrote:
I read that in one of the episodes in that HyungJun becomes a Progamer show, HyungJun explains that inside the booth, you can't hear the screams. However, you can DEFINITELY feel the vibration from the screams when you're inside the booth. It may not be the same as hearing the actual screams but, it's pretty significant.

So that is what the ruler is use for: to feel the vibration.
n.DieJokes
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3443 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-17 01:52:33
March 17 2010 01:45 GMT
#100
Didn't FlaSh do this against Leta as well?
Edit- I couldn;t find anything when I searched but wasn't there some controversy when leta *I think* double proxy factories in a 5th set and the crowd when nuts and Flash walked right to it. I think it was FlaSh... damn memory. But anyway, I wouldn't be surprised; if you hear the crowd go nuts what are you gonna do, move in the opposite direction?
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