EPTSour grapes over their loss for MBC coach.
[Translation] 'Ear map' Complaint - Page 6
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Hinanawi
United States2250 Posts
Sour grapes over their loss for MBC coach. | ||
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Saturnize
United States2473 Posts
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2WeaK
Canada550 Posts
On March 17 2010 11:03 Saturnize wrote: Just play in a different room and no more hacks but then the power runs out cuz of a hand heater! | ||
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iLoveKT
Philippines3615 Posts
On March 17 2010 10:45 n.DieJokes wrote: Didn't FlaSh do this against Leta as well? Edit- I couldn;t find anything when I searched but wasn't there some controversy when leta *I think* double proxy factories in a 5th set and the crowd when nuts and Flash walked right to it. I think it was FlaSh... damn memory. But anyway, I wouldn't be surprised; if you hear the crowd go nuts what are you gonna do, move in the opposite direction? lol everybody seems to have forgotten or do not read all the posts in this thread apparently. So Ill repeat it one more time: KTF vs Hite Ace Match: Forgg vs Leta, forgg goes for proxy 2 fac in the center of shades of twilight, vod shows Leta looking at the crowd and immediately scouts the center seeing forgg's facts (I mean who looks at the crowd in the middle of a game). The difference between the Leta incident and this one is that the KT coaches immediately called Time Out in the middle of the game, while MBC waited for the game to be over to start whining. also to note: Forgg didnt lose because of leta's eye hack, he just played terribly that game. lol. | ||
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mmdmmd
722 Posts
On March 17 2010 01:17 Too_MuchZerg wrote: Shame that Flash didn't show true sportsmanship and asked for regame rather than silently accepting that he "cheated". And if someone ask Flash about it he most likely deny it. So if flash say Yes, he did it. If he say No, he still did it? | ||
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OmgIRok
Taiwan2699 Posts
If it doesn't show up on flash's minimap on the replay, i will have to say most likely it is the scream of the audience | ||
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Wings
United States999 Posts
On March 17 2010 01:17 Too_MuchZerg wrote: Shame that Flash didn't show true sportsmanship and asked for regame rather than silently accepting that he "cheated". And if someone ask Flash about it he most likely deny it. This is utterly stupid. Why don't people understand what IdrA said before? It's exactly what I thought when I saw everyone complaining. That ENTIRE AREA DOWN THERE IS FREAKING BUILDABLE. Do you HONESTLY THINK that Flash would send his scv down there JUST FOR THE PURPOSE of scouting for proxy, and THEN he would then just leave and leave a HUGE area unscouted???? He obviously knew that entire area down there is a great place to put a proxy rax in TvT, he's probably done it a million times in practice. In summary, he sent his scv down there JUST to scout for proxy. If you're scouting for proxy, you WILL scout the ENTIRE area where the proxy is likely, otherwise that's a shitty dumb way of wasting time if you're just going to scout for a proxy only on 1 TINY PATH through a huge unexplored area. Regardless of whether Flash did or did not hear the sound, Flash would have scouted anyway. Let's say Flash heard the sound. Is that even his fault to begin with?!? Everyone should be flaming the studio makers, those booths have shitty doors, NOT FLASH. | ||
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saritenite
Singapore1680 Posts
Flash has the best defense of any Terran that I've seen, doesn't matter that you have a proxy rax, he'll just micro his scvs and kill all your marines while building his rax. If a player is considered uncheesable, then why give him the advantage by doing a cheese build? Light could have played standard and might have won T-T it was TvT after all. And now there's this retarded controversy about Flash hax and proxy scouting. I mean look at his game against Calm, would that not give anyone an inkling over how good Flash's sense is at the moment? He threw down a second bunker BEFORE scanning T-T. Starsense at its max. Besides, a proxy rax can negate a 14cc's advantage, but I don't see any possibility of killing 14cc outright with just one rax. Then Light goes and proxies all his other stuff T-T", and going two port instead of playing catch-up. 2 port is all-in in that situation, just one turret at main and one turret at natural counters the build hardcore. If there's anything to blame for Light losing his dignity, it was the combined fact that he had to cancel his rax and had the knowledge of a 14cc which probably threw him off, knowing that he was at a disadvantage. IMHO he should have pulled scvs off gas (can't remember whether he took it or not) and rushed for his own cc. Cancelled rax should have refunded him a good portion of his minerals, and he wouldn't have been that far behind. It was his decision making that killed him, in the end. | ||
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2WeaK
Canada550 Posts
On March 17 2010 11:40 Wings wrote: In summary, he sent his scv down there JUST to scout for proxy. If you're scouting for proxy, you WILL scout the ENTIRE area where the proxy is likely, otherwise that's a shitty dumb way of wasting time if you're just going to scout for a proxy only on 1 TINY PATH through a huge unexplored area. While I do agree with this and that's probably what Flash did, I think what most people think is that Flash was on his way to the expansion and "went out of his way" to go to the proxy's location, though to me it seemed logical to go there first 'cause there would be overall less travel time to spot for a proxy that way. | ||
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chongu
Malaysia2585 Posts
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SturmAddict
Malaysia176 Posts
That proxy location is definitely one of the worst spots to place a barracks. SImply because, it is sooo sooo easy to defend the ramp going into the natural. There is no way rines from one rax can climb that ramp, if defended by SCV's. Flash could have just brought 2 or 3 scv's and defended his 14cc easily against rines. And if the rines go up the other way to the high ground, flash would have got his bunker up on time. Either way, that proxy rax could have done NOTHING vs flash's 14cc, and he would have a BO lost anyways. | ||
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goswser
United States3519 Posts
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randombum
United States2378 Posts
And sturmaddict, it doesn't matter if that position is terrible if they bring 3 scvs to block the small ramp. Forcing the 3 scvs off mining is already a win since if barely hurt lights build if at all. Its not like he went rax before supply, he did a normal 9 supply and rax after that. Sure he loses a little mining time, but he instead doesn't lose the mining time of sending a scout, so its pretty even except he loses the mining time a little earlier, but with the potential to kill some of flash's scvs light figured it was worth it. Except he got found so early that he was forced to cancel the rax vs 14 cc which was probably the worst thing that could happen from his point of view. | ||
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Lebesgue
4542 Posts
I guess Light must feel that he got humiliated in that game... And in the sense he was. I really hope he will regain "his dignity"  | ||
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jiabung
United States720 Posts
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d_so
Korea (South)3262 Posts
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def0
China13 Posts
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Aduromors
United States279 Posts
On March 17 2010 10:57 Hinanawi wrote: Just watch the VOD. It's clear he was arcing around the area in the first place, especially with his 14CC. There was no sudden jerk movement to audience or anything. Sour grapes over their loss for MBC coach. Yeah I don't think it's really possible to prove that flash ever sent his scv to the other ramp during his scout. I'm sure he was planning to scout that area if he already scouted the area below, why wouldn't he? Here's the vod of the scouting in question, 2m 55s | ||
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snapcrackle
United States568 Posts
I think its because of youtube quality or something but i'm VERY positive that it was loud. Not just in this VOD but compare all live games with the youtube uploads.. you can tell a big difference in the audience volume | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
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