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snapcrackle
Profile Joined December 2008
United States568 Posts
March 17 2010 08:13 GMT
#141
On March 17 2010 17:07 RoyW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2010 16:33 snapcrackle wrote:
On March 17 2010 16:19 moopie wrote:
On March 17 2010 16:17 LLXC wrote:
Those booths aren't super soundproof?

They are.

source




(Wiki)Booths

better source... sorry but that kind won't make it very far
XiaoJoyce-
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
China2908 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-17 08:23:01
March 17 2010 08:21 GMT
#142
Why is it always Flash Flash Flash. It made him look bad.

Edit: RoyW, did u write those @ teamliquid wiki to support your point?
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Highways
Profile Joined July 2005
Australia6120 Posts
March 17 2010 08:35 GMT
#143
Can't be a coincidence that it always happens to Flash.

What a cheat.
#1 Terran hater
okum
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
France5779 Posts
March 17 2010 08:37 GMT
#144
On March 17 2010 16:42 hacpee wrote:
Btw,if flash DID watch the replay of light vs skyhigh, he would be scouting Light's sky-high proxy location first before going to the other location. Instead, flash made a straight run upwards.

This explanation doesn't make much sense.

Firstly, Flash probably intended to scout that position afterwards. There are basically four places where you can put a proxy rax in that area, and the location Light used against Skyhigh is the most remote and hence least harmful (indeed, Skyhigh even defended it without scouting it). So Flash might have intended to scout that last. This is just speculation, though.

Secondly, assuming that there was a proxy *somewhere* in the area, it's ridiculous to think that the screaming would give Flash such specific intel as to look in that particular position. At the SCV position where Flash supposedly was influenced by the audience, he was about equal
distance away from the actual location and the Skyhigh location, so why would the screaming indicate one position and not the other? I guess Flash might possess such delicate crowd-gauging ears (1.5 dBA louder indicates a proxy in the top-right location) but I doubt it.
Flash fan before it was cool | Coiner of "jangbang"
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
March 17 2010 08:46 GMT
#145
On March 17 2010 17:35 Highways wrote:
Can't be a coincidence that it always happens to Flash.

What a cheat.


It isn't a coincidence. He's just that good.
Remember Violet.
nayumi
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia6499 Posts
March 17 2010 08:57 GMT
#146
On March 17 2010 17:07 RoyW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2010 16:33 snapcrackle wrote:
On March 17 2010 16:19 moopie wrote:
On March 17 2010 16:17 LLXC wrote:
Those booths aren't super soundproof?

They are.

source




(Wiki)Booths

made my day
Sugoi monogatari onii-chan!
Vivi57
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States6599 Posts
March 17 2010 08:58 GMT
#147
On March 17 2010 17:07 RoyW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2010 16:33 snapcrackle wrote:
On March 17 2010 16:19 moopie wrote:
On March 17 2010 16:17 LLXC wrote:
Those booths aren't super soundproof?

They are.

source




(Wiki)Booths

this is win.

but honestly, at any little thing or accusation, anti fans will always grab it and try to discredit the player. This really isn't anything new.
Flash hwaiting! Nal_rA forever!
We Are Here
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Australia1810 Posts
March 17 2010 09:54 GMT
#148
On March 17 2010 17:35 Highways wrote:
Can't be a coincidence that it always happens to Flash.

What a cheat.
lol yes, it happens once so it cant be a coincidence
He who turns those around him into allies, possesses the most terrifying ability in the world.
Camlito
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Australia4040 Posts
March 17 2010 10:28 GMT
#149
On March 17 2010 18:54 We Are Here wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2010 17:35 Highways wrote:
Can't be a coincidence that it always happens to Flash.

What a cheat.
lol yes, it happens once so it cant be a coincidence


Yeh, ForGG vs Flash what?
sAviOr...
11cc
Profile Joined May 2008
Finland561 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-17 10:44:51
March 17 2010 10:42 GMT
#150
On March 17 2010 19:28 Camlito wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2010 18:54 We Are Here wrote:
On March 17 2010 17:35 Highways wrote:
Can't be a coincidence that it always happens to Flash.

What a cheat.
lol yes, it happens once so it cant be a coincidence


Yeh, ForGG vs Flash what?


Even though I don't know where the forgg vs flash thing came from and afaik it's just bs:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=94998

Flash admitted it then and he'd admit it now if it were true.

As far as this case goes, the accusations are created basically from thin air, based on nothing at all. So that makes it once in my eyes atleast.
MisteR
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Netherlands595 Posts
March 17 2010 10:45 GMT
#151
It is also a psychological issue, and knowing coaches like Ha, this whole controversy is only to keep (T)Light's confidence high. Since Light has grown to impressive hights lately, he will probably be of key importance for MBC if he can keep his form intact. A dramatic loss to (T)Flash in the ace match, however, could potentially drain away his confidence and therefore leave his team without a strong Light, when they need it the most. "Protecting Light's dignity" should be taken seriously, but not literally. Swap "dignity" with "form" and it becomes obvious what coach Ha's intentions are.

You'll see the same thing happening in for example football matches, when coaches go out of their way to criticize referee decisions, only to drive away attention from their teams loss. It is not the most subtle of motivating techniques, but it gets the job done: especially when there are playoffs in the near future.
Nal_Ra/Much/Horang2/Flying fighting!~
nepeta
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
1872 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-17 10:59:24
March 17 2010 10:57 GMT
#152
On the topic of sound-proofing booths. It is near impossible, and I can understand why MBC chose a virtual stage for their finals. (From an acoustic point of view only however.)

Last year I did some research in a sound lab, in a building which had previously been a bank. There was a particular sound-proof chamber, in a former vault, which had a 5 cm thick door (with a small glass window, to allow examiners to see people suffocating or w/e), and I could still hear people screaming inside it. (They were screaming to test sound reduction, experiments were entirely non-harmful :p)

If you take a herd of fangirls screaming towards a large glass/plastic window, GL soundproofing that ^^
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alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-17 11:53:24
March 17 2010 11:52 GMT
#153
On March 17 2010 19:57 nepeta wrote:
On the topic of sound-proofing booths. It is near impossible, and I can understand why MBC chose a virtual stage for their finals. (From an acoustic point of view only however.)

Last year I did some research in a sound lab, in a building which had previously been a bank. There was a particular sound-proof chamber, in a former vault, which had a 5 cm thick door (with a small glass window, to allow examiners to see people suffocating or w/e), and I could still hear people screaming inside it. (They were screaming to test sound reduction, experiments were entirely non-harmful :p)

If you take a herd of fangirls screaming towards a large glass/plastic window, GL soundproofing that ^^


why cant they use like 20 cm thick walls with those sound recording studio / music practice room sound proofing materail.. like walls with wavy foam shapes haha

also for the issue of "eye hacking" they really just need to use those special glass that you can only see through from one direction and the other side is mirrored -_-
Graphicssavior[gm] : What is a “yawn” rape ;; Masumune - It was the year of the pig for those fucking defilers. Chill - A clinic you say? okum: SC without Korean yelling is like porn without sex. konamix: HAPPY BIRTHDAY MOMMY!
JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-17 12:11:14
March 17 2010 12:09 GMT
#154
On March 17 2010 19:57 nepeta wrote:
On the topic of sound-proofing booths. It is near impossible, and I can understand why MBC chose a virtual stage for their finals. (From an acoustic point of view only however.)

Last year I did some research in a sound lab, in a building which had previously been a bank. There was a particular sound-proof chamber, in a former vault, which had a 5 cm thick door (with a small glass window, to allow examiners to see people suffocating or w/e), and I could still hear people screaming inside it. (They were screaming to test sound reduction, experiments were entirely non-harmful :p)

If you take a herd of fangirls screaming towards a large glass/plastic window, GL soundproofing that ^^

I have a very hard time believing that there is no way the networks could make it ridiculous for any player to claim he heard something outside of the booth (thicker walls, a better seal on the door, the right materials and some noise-canceling headphones?).

Bigger point is: these sorts of complaints keep popping up over and over again in serious games, and I feel they're eating at the legitimacy of the game…but to my knowledge nothing has been done to the booths, to deal with fan noise or players being able to see out of them? That's just dumb.
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HeaDStrong
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Scotland785 Posts
March 17 2010 12:36 GMT
#155
i didn't finish the whole thread yet, but one thing i had in my mind. did light came with the claim that he heard the cheers after watching a replay? because without a replay (without flash's vision) i think it would be quite far fetched to connect a slight noise with the scouting pattern of your opponent... so he must have come up with this claim after watching the replay or talking to the coach or other players, which makes his statement less credible as he could have influenced by outer factors...
Antisocialmunky
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5912 Posts
March 17 2010 12:45 GMT
#156
Aren't the headphones they use sound canceling as well?
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HeaDStrong
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Scotland785 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-17 13:16:47
March 17 2010 13:08 GMT
#157
On March 17 2010 19:57 nepeta wrote:
On the topic of sound-proofing booths. It is near impossible, and I can understand why MBC chose a virtual stage for their finals. (From an acoustic point of view only however.)

Last year I did some research in a sound lab, in a building which had previously been a bank. There was a particular sound-proof chamber, in a former vault, which had a 5 cm thick door (with a small glass window, to allow examiners to see people suffocating or w/e), and I could still hear people screaming inside it. (They were screaming to test sound reduction, experiments were entirely non-harmful :p)

If you take a herd of fangirls screaming towards a large glass/plastic window, GL soundproofing that ^^


well, when you worked there you probably were standing in a silent area outside the soundproofed room and carefully listening. they have loud music in the booths which overwhelms the crowd cheering and then noise cancelling headphones AND then earphones with the actual game sound... GL hearing through that...

my point is if you would somehow be able to hear the crowd, then the music would be to loud to concentrate on the game and that i think might be a huge issue and would have been dealt with long time ago...
alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
March 17 2010 13:21 GMT
#158
On March 17 2010 22:08 HeaDStrong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2010 19:57 nepeta wrote:
On the topic of sound-proofing booths. It is near impossible, and I can understand why MBC chose a virtual stage for their finals. (From an acoustic point of view only however.)

Last year I did some research in a sound lab, in a building which had previously been a bank. There was a particular sound-proof chamber, in a former vault, which had a 5 cm thick door (with a small glass window, to allow examiners to see people suffocating or w/e), and I could still hear people screaming inside it. (They were screaming to test sound reduction, experiments were entirely non-harmful :p)

If you take a herd of fangirls screaming towards a large glass/plastic window, GL soundproofing that ^^


well, when you worked there you probably were standing in a silent area outside the soundproofed room and carefully listening. they have loud music in the booths which overwhelms the crowd cheering and then noise cancelling headphones AND then earphones with the actual game sound... GL hearing through that...

my point is if you would somehow be able to hear the crowd, then the music would be to loud to concentrate on the game and that i think might be a huge issue and would have been dealt with long time ago...


they have music in the booths..?.?
Graphicssavior[gm] : What is a “yawn” rape ;; Masumune - It was the year of the pig for those fucking defilers. Chill - A clinic you say? okum: SC without Korean yelling is like porn without sex. konamix: HAPPY BIRTHDAY MOMMY!
HeaDStrong
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Scotland785 Posts
March 17 2010 13:23 GMT
#159
On March 17 2010 22:21 alffla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2010 22:08 HeaDStrong wrote:
On March 17 2010 19:57 nepeta wrote:
On the topic of sound-proofing booths. It is near impossible, and I can understand why MBC chose a virtual stage for their finals. (From an acoustic point of view only however.)

Last year I did some research in a sound lab, in a building which had previously been a bank. There was a particular sound-proof chamber, in a former vault, which had a 5 cm thick door (with a small glass window, to allow examiners to see people suffocating or w/e), and I could still hear people screaming inside it. (They were screaming to test sound reduction, experiments were entirely non-harmful :p)

If you take a herd of fangirls screaming towards a large glass/plastic window, GL soundproofing that ^^


well, when you worked there you probably were standing in a silent area outside the soundproofed room and carefully listening. they have loud music in the booths which overwhelms the crowd cheering and then noise cancelling headphones AND then earphones with the actual game sound... GL hearing through that...

my point is if you would somehow be able to hear the crowd, then the music would be to loud to concentrate on the game and that i think might be a huge issue and would have been dealt with long time ago...


they have music in the booths..?.?


i think so, that's what i read somewhere on how they adjusted it after the boxer infamous hear-hacking incident. i haven't been in those booths myself so...
OpticalShot
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada6330 Posts
March 17 2010 13:48 GMT
#160
I'm not a TvX expert on Matchpoint, so I'll take IdrA's word for it because it seems to make sense... if the whole map terrain is buildable and Flash is risking a build that can be easily countered by proxy rax, it makes sense for him to scout all the "popular proxy spots" around the map.

And I also agree with MBC coach's purpose of keeping Light's confidence high, because they'll need Light to perform the way he did in SWL for the rest of the season to have a good chance at winning it all!
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