This is a pretty flawed system that they have. Sure the booths are soundproof but i've heard those fangirls screaming before and there's no way that the players block 100% of the sound out. Sure flash might have found the proxy on his own but this could be, or could lead to a serious problem.

IMO it's a huge deal, i would be really pissed if i were LighT, as long as everything said so far was the truth.

ilbh

Brazil1606 Posts

March 16 2010 18:23 GMT

#63

On March 17 2010 02:58 adelarge wrote:
I don't get it. I really don't get it. How can you people be so calm about it? It's not about the results. We are talking about Light's dignity here!

it's not about Light's dignity, but the booths not protecting the sound from the audience.
they have to fix that asap.

haster27

Taiwan809 Posts

March 16 2010 18:29 GMT

#64

I still can't understand why he would use the wording "dignity". I suppose it is because he could have lost in slightly better way than getting rolled by Flash should he have not chosen to scout it, but this kind of wording makes it sound like Flash deliberately set out to BM Light or something o.o

More than anything, I just wish there were way to detect the noise level in the booth. Not saying this is the case for Light, but if anyone feels like calling out against audience noise when his opponent scouts excellently, it will not matter how much secure and sound-proof the booth is going to be. Having some sort of recording/vibration detection device would so help in getting occasional e-drama like this solved.

AppleTart

United States1261 Posts

March 16 2010 18:35 GMT

#65

Look, people equate the screaming to Flash's scv movement. yes, people would scream louder as the SCV got closer right?

Is the movement of the SCV dependent on the volume of the audience? or
Is the volume of the audience dependent on the movement of the SCV, or both?
Regardless, saying flash wouldn't have scouted it, you cannot simply say that. Flash knows that you can build anywhere in that area, he may have just been scouting the area and when Flash went perpendicular the crowd screamed, thus it makes it seem that the crowds screaming caused him to move up.

In addition, those soundproof gear is like what construction workers use, and the booths are very soundproof as well. However, I won't deny that maybe light's booth or headphones will have been faulty. The fact that the complaint was made after Light talked to the coach seems fishy, if Light heard the crowd going nuts, why wouldn't he just request a pause or say something right after? He clearly discussed it with his coach and maybe the coach was just raging

I would also like to add that if it were true that you could hear the crowd through the booth that MBC was using, then that means that throughout the entire match ALL of the MBC players MAY have heard things from the crowds, giving the entire team an unfair advantage.

7mk

Germany10157 Posts

March 16 2010 18:45 GMT

#66

lesson of the day: don't cheese

especially when you're on a 11 game win streak

Nal_rAwr

United States2611 Posts

March 16 2010 18:47 GMT

#67

yeah its happened to flash before iirc

he looked at audience once and got clues and caused controversy didn't he?

Jimmeh

United Kingdom908 Posts

March 16 2010 19:14 GMT

#68

Is there a VOD available yet (I didn't see one linked in this thread)?

Badred

Canada129 Posts

March 16 2010 19:33 GMT

#69

VOD: http://www.wfbrood.com/movie/SPL2010/movie_46581.html

Event occurs at around 3:00

Kenpachi

United States9908 Posts

March 16 2010 19:40 GMT

#70

On March 17 2010 03:47 Nal_rAwr wrote:
yeah its happened to flash before iirc

he looked at audience once and got clues and caused controversy didn't he?

Leta looked at the crowd vs Flash

7mk

Germany10157 Posts

March 16 2010 19:40 GMT

#71

omg... I had to stop watching before the final game, just watched it now, ROFL at the constant KT FIGHTIING;!!! MBC FIGHTIIING!! KT FIGHTIIING!!
haha so good

btw since when is youko so fast

rackdude

United States882 Posts

March 16 2010 19:55 GMT

#72

The reason why he had to make the complaint after the game is that he really couldn't see what happened. Think about it, how would he know the SCV turned around after hearing that? He might have thought they were just screaming because the SCV was going the right way. He didn't have vision of the SCV, but when talking to the coach, the two parts clicked.

DreaM)XeRO

Korea (South)4667 Posts

March 16 2010 19:58 GMT

#73

honestly that proxy position was carefully selected by Light and his coaches to avoid a normal scout

c'mon how many other proxies have been found by careful scouting?
Flash's scv was trying to get to Light's main, he heard a giant roar as he passed a certain area, and he found out via giant roar that there was proxy

okum

France5779 Posts

March 16 2010 20:16 GMT

#74

Looking at the VOD now, Flash just seems to be moving the SCV in a large arc so that he sweeps the entire bottom area and spots the rax on the way out. There's definitely no indication that he's suddenly changing direction due to the screams.

Vec

United States69 Posts

March 16 2010 21:42 GMT

#75

I see this as more as an issue with OGN, being MBC's biggest competitor and all

Waxangel

United States33634 Posts

March 16 2010 21:54 GMT

#76

Obviously MBCGame setup coach Ha to try and besmirch OGN's reputation, in order to make up for that MSL finals disaster.

Obviously.

Holgerius

Sweden16951 Posts

March 16 2010 22:27 GMT

#77

On March 17 2010 05:16 okum wrote:
Looking at the VOD now, Flash just seems to be moving the SCV in a large arc so that he sweeps the entire bottom area and spots the rax on the way out. There's definitely no indication that he's suddenly changing direction due to the screams.

Indeed.

Pretty silly by MBC to attemp to smear Flash like this. They just come off like bad losers who can't accept that Flash is so outrageously good.

Flash should feel so great about this; ''I'm so awesome they actually think I cheat''. XD

johnlee

United States242 Posts

March 16 2010 22:35 GMT

#78

Well... knowing Flash, the scout was probably intentional. He was going a no-rax fe so it'd be in his best interest to sweep the area to make sure there aren't any proxy barracks that'd directly counter his opening.

I think the way he found the starport after spotting the factory also serves as a point indicating his dominating game sense.

@5:11

YoonHo

Canada1043 Posts

March 16 2010 22:48 GMT

#79

I read that in one of the episodes in that HyungJun becomes a Progamer show, HyungJun explains that inside the booth, you can't hear the screams. However, you can DEFINITELY feel the vibration from the screams when you're inside the booth. It may not be the same as hearing the actual screams but, it's pretty significant.