EPTOn January 24 2010 12:37 Avidkeystamper wrote:
I was being sarcastic
I was being sarcastic
UNLIKE HIM LOLOLOL!!!
[MSL Spoiler] His Overwhelming Advantage - Page 16
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KwarK
United States42259 Posts
UNLIKE HIM LOLOLOL!!! | ||
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EvoChamber
France2505 Posts
y Honestly though, the Klimt painting on that guy's cyworld turned out to be the only interesting new piece of information. | ||
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KwarK
United States42259 Posts
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Tien
Russian Federation4447 Posts
I did see Jaedong send 2 drones up there within 14:14:30. Did Jaedong make more drones there or just armies? I'll keep watching vod. Interesting. Jaedong sends 4 drones there near the 15 minute mark. But is clearly producing troops from that hatchery. It wasn't as saturated as we thought. | ||
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Zozma
United States1626 Posts
On January 24 2010 12:40 KwarK wrote: Probably he stopped paying attention and then the blackout woke him up, so he only saw the replay. Something like that.How did this even happen? Did the commentator turn up late and only watch the replay they showed while Flash's dad was arguing backstage? Or did he leave early or what? Somehow he hasn't seen the game. This surprises me. | ||
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KwarK
United States42259 Posts
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King K. Rool
Canada4408 Posts
On January 24 2010 10:29 Zozma wrote: To be nitpicky: there's no "few minutes" left in baseball. Bottom of the ninth, 2 outs, no batters on base and the team with 1 point COULD still win, unlike games with time where scoring 49 points is actually impossible in a few minutes.But when we're talking about a score of 50-1 and there are only a few minutes left in the baseball game, I start to question whether a rematch is really the best policy. But your point still stands so carry on everyone. | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8552 Posts
Kwark man =[ Why you do this to me? On January 24 2010 12:38 EvoChamber wrote: y u phail so hard avid y Honestly though, the Klimt painting on that guy's cyworld turned out to be the only interesting new piece of information. Don't go harem on me now. | ||
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MountainDewJunkie
United States10340 Posts
[Jaedong] overcame unfavorable maps and the best TvZ player ever [...] Funny, because for the last two years, it was Flash's TvZ that was getting him knocked out of almost every league. Having a hot 3-month streak in the matchup does make you "the best TvZ player ever." | ||
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Conquest101
United States1395 Posts
On January 24 2010 12:57 MountainDewJunkie wrote: Funny, because for the last two years, it was Flash's TvZ that was getting him knocked out of almost every league. Having a hot 3-month streak in the matchup does make you "the best TvZ player ever." Well, to be fair, a hot 3-month streak is basically the basis for oov being called the "best TvZ player ever" prior to Flash. He also holds the highest v Z ELO peak ever. It depends on your criteria I guess. Prior to this series his TvZ did indeed look quite invincible. Edit: Although reading your post again, I'm not sure what you're arguing. Did you mean "doesn't"? | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8552 Posts
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KwarK
United States42259 Posts
On January 24 2010 12:54 Avidkeystamper wrote: Kwark man =[ Why you do this to me? When I saw your post I hit quote immediately. The words literally changed in front of my eyes as your ninja edit took effect. So I deliberately faked the quote with the words that had previously been there. Don't call The Bear on me  | ||
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unionbank
Australia666 Posts
It doesn't matter whether he had 30 marines or 3 or whether jaedong had 30 ultras and Defilers Its the fact that Flash was mentally struck due to incident that occured. Even though the player is Flash, NO player in the world can deal with that and just move on as if nothing happened, it will screw his mind up so hard he won't notice it.. i get pissed when a probe does happy laps around my natural base imagine how losing a game in a finals like that must of felt? Do you possibly think Flash can play at his best with a strong positive approach? No obviously he can't and saying he has to deal with it is not fair. | ||
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Zozma
United States1626 Posts
On January 24 2010 13:28 unionbank wrote: Whatever you want to talk about, the argument in this thread has been about whether to play a rematch or to award Jaedong the win for a while now.Seriously guys you are missing the whole point of that controversy...... It doesn't matter whether he had 30 marines or 3 or whether jaedong had 30 ultras and Defilers Its the fact that Flash was mentally struck due to incident that occured. Even though the player is Flash, NO player in the world can deal with that and just move on as if nothing happened, it will screw his mind up so hard he won't notice it.. i get pissed when a probe does happy laps around my natural base imagine how losing a game in a finals like that must of felt? Do you possibly think Flash can play at his best with a strong positive approach? No obviously he can't and saying he has to deal with it is not fair. | ||
FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
On January 24 2010 11:33 pvzvt wrote: i think the logic of your explanation is persuasive as flash's chance to win game 3 . but hey like you say Fakesteve the winner had not yet been decided . if the choice is between regame or jd win , i can't see how you can go for a regame. and this isnt any i killed 1 probe i have the advantage case . people are giving you solid facts on how jaedong was at the lead and you reply with "the winner had not yet been decided" but if the choice is regame or jd win (dismissing flash win for obvious reason) a regame is absurd. hey, i have definitely supported the idea that jaedong is at a massive advantage at that point. i'm merely saying that KeSPA failed to establish a precedent on these issues, and that a blanket "always rematch" rule is far more objective, and should be the route the governing body takes i have also said that given the circumstances, KeSPA was absolutely forced to give the game to jaedong, because that precedent has not been set. i haven't said that jaedong wasn't at a huge advantage, and i haven't said that KeSPA realistically could have made a different decision. I'm definitely of the opinion that they should have, simply because it's better to begin this sort of thing late than not do it at all. I'm really just musing about the gigantic hole KeSPA has dug itself into. | ||
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
On January 24 2010 12:22 KwarK wrote: Commentator completely ignores the fact there were two defilers there that had both just consumed a few lings each. i just have to revisit this because i feel like you're overlooking something critical, if i'm off base then i'll just trust you on it but: we're talking about two control groups of marines here. part of how i see flash potentially winning this game is using what he has on hand to feint attacks at 7. i thought you weren't considering this possibility earlier as well, and you saying that he has energy on his defilers as if that magically means he can go out and kill flash is more evidence that you're not really considering how flash would likely have played from the point of the blackout onward. now again, i must state that i don't think the decision made by KeSPA should consider what i'm about to say AT ALL  two groups of marines and three vessels is more than enough to keep jaedong pinned and defending 7oclock. that's why i said flash would need flawless execution, he'd need to be able to reliably preserve that army until such time that his new min only is fueling his barracks, which will happen much faster than jaedong's economic advantage at that point would kick in and overwhelm the terran forces this is why i asked you earlier why you thought flash would simply camp out at his new base and await the deathblow. there's many many ways to make a base vulnerable without attacking it, and many many ways to safely harass a well-defended expo to buy yourself a few extra units so you can attack more than one location. they're all immeasurably difficult, but this is Flash we're talking about. it is definitely within his capabilities & knowledge to secure that game. just veeeeeery very unlikely | ||
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Creationism
China505 Posts
The way the game went was left with what Flash could do. I really don't like people quoting other people on their opinion of the advantage and using it to convince people that Jaedong was massively ahead. Do they know the game better or does Flash know the game better? Seeing the way he gged in the first game, the very fact that he stayed in the game means to me he believed he still had a fighting chance. And the argument that Jaedong had showed his build on this map and therefore was at a disadvantage is a flawed argument simply because both players obviously had specific BOs and both showed them. The racial imbalance on fighting spirit is very debatable because it is based off of past games, which do not number in the thousands, but simply in tens. Can't even law of large numbers that shit. Even given all that I'm pretty torn between a rematch and the given victory, but I pretty much believe a rematch should be given in all situations of this type. Being a competition I think the trend should go towards allowing players to compete instead of taking away someone's ability to compete. | ||
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
and O, the hounds cannot be sated + Show Spoiler + did ya like that O without the h? am i olde or what | ||
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KwarK
United States42259 Posts
On January 24 2010 13:40 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: i just have to revisit this because i feel like you're overlooking something critical, if i'm off base then i'll just trust you on it but: we're talking about two control groups of marines here. part of how i see flash potentially winning this game is using what he has on hand to feint attacks at 7. i thought you weren't considering this possibility earlier as well, and you saying that he has energy on his defilers as if that magically means he can go out and kill flash is more evidence that you're not really considering how flash would likely have played from the point of the blackout onward. now again, i must state that i don't think the decision made by KeSPA should consider what i'm about to say AT ALL two groups of marines and three vessels is more than enough to keep jaedong pinned and defending 7oclock. that's why i said flash would need flawless execution, he'd need to be able to reliably preserve that army until such time that his new min only is fueling his barracks, which will happen much faster than jaedong's economic advantage at that point would kick in and overwhelm the terran forces this is why i asked you earlier why you thought flash would simply camp out at his new base and await the deathblow. there's many many ways to make a base vulnerable without attacking it, and many many ways to safely harass a well-defended expo to buy yourself a few extra units so you can attack more than one location. they're all immeasurably difficult, but this is Flash we're talking about. it is definitely within his capabilities & knowledge to secure that game. just veeeeeery very unlikely That commentator was talking about the possible events of the last 30 seconds of the vod having not seen them. He's talking about Flash's last big push before retreating to his 3rd to camp and saying it might work. Those two control groups of marines got raped after the commentator stopped watching for whatever reason. An ultralisk with irradiate was completely surrounded by marines and they all died. I was pointing out the defilers simply because he was wrong about how many there were and I was surprised by this. Flash didn't have those 2 groups of marines in the vod (he had 10 marines and 8 medics running to the min only). His main had mined out a minute before and his mineral only wasn't yet mining (it was being maynarded to). Unless Flash had been macroing badly he would have been missing rounds of production. Flash is very good and I'm sure could think up tricks I'd never imagine. But the question that keeps coming back to me is "with what minerals"? | ||
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
then we're back to 10% of the time even a player of jaedong's caliber guesses wrong and loses the advantage | ||
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