EPT[Interview] Boxer on eSports’ past & future 12/14 - Page 8
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Horiz0n
Sweden364 Posts
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Zoler
Sweden6339 Posts
On December 15 2009 05:58 Kenpachi wrote: Progamers to US. i think thatll help esports grow US? USA has the worst e-sport scene I've ever seen really. Dead or alive and Halo? You kidding me oh my god... | ||
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Zoler
Sweden6339 Posts
On December 17 2009 13:16 Horiz0n wrote: Id guess that anyone that thinks SC 2 will take over the scene immediately will be sadly mistaken, Starcraft has about 10 year of balancing and we still have threads about imbalance in the game. Remember the Orc dominance in wc3? That is what we will have in SC2 until balancing eventually will find itself, but it will take time It will take over the scene immediately since it's an AWESOME game which MILLIONS will be playing which means money. Money = more players, more players = more money, see where this is going. And there is no doubt SC2 will be an awesome game. | ||
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.risingdragoon
United States3021 Posts
it didn't help that people didn't know how to map in the early days and all the maps except lost temple were crap and helped terrans. it also didn't help that races had to be played differently and terran just happens to be the one that's played "what you see is what you expect." at first I didn't think sc2 will last as long as SC, cus the skils from SC just don't unlearn themselves. but sc2 is getting 2 expansion packs, and if they're of the same quality as broodwar, then it'll last. can you imagine if broodwar had another exp on top of it that dealt with leftover issues like the absolutely junk unit like scout? | ||
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Horiz0n
Sweden364 Posts
On December 17 2009 13:26 Zoler wrote: It will take over the scene immediately since it's an AWESOME game which MILLIONS will be playing which means money. Money = more players, more players = more money, see where this is going. And there is no doubt SC2 will be an awesome game. Audience might get discourage when there only are Terran players in the top and massing unite X is a sure way of wining... I also hope that SC2 will be a great game, but the only way of ensuring balance is time (or only making one race option) | ||
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phyvo
United States5635 Posts
On December 17 2009 13:31 Horiz0n wrote: Audience might get discourage when there only are Terran players in the top and massing unite X is a sure way of wining... I also hope that SC2 will be a great game, but the only way of ensuring balance is time (or only making one race option) If it ever gets to the point where all the top players are Terran and are massing unit X, you can bet that Blizzard will hotfix it quickly. I mean, even WoW gets that treatment, and WoW isn't even Blizzard's ticket to launching worldwide esports. Starcraft 2 doesn't have to be perfectly balanced when it comes out. It just has to be balanced *enough*. Even having only one race option doesn't necessarily mean that the game would be fun to play, which just goes to show that balance is just one part of making a fun game. | ||
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johnnyspazz
Taiwan1470 Posts
On December 17 2009 13:25 Zoler wrote: US? USA has the worst e-sport scene I've ever seen really. Dead or alive and Halo? You kidding me oh my god... USA has the worst e-sport scene? lol have you even heard of MLG? USA definitely does not have the worst e-sport scene. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10910 Posts
On December 17 2009 14:09 johnnyspazz wrote: USA has the worst e-sport scene? lol have you even heard of MLG? USA definitely does not have the worst e-sport scene. I never heard of MLG. | ||
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Lumi
United States1616 Posts
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Sadist
United States7328 Posts
On December 17 2009 07:57 d3_crescentia wrote: Looking at the IeSF videos again, it seems that Boxer may have been referring to this particular event specifically regarding decreased attendance - when you consider the big names and the whole point of the tournament and then look at how empty the audience was, there's certainly a feeling that there SHOULD have been more. they havent been good in years really though. I mean who really wants to watch SSammJang play? ;\ or St. Eagle. Those guys might actually get bigger audiences now that I think about it since no one has seen them in so long :D | ||
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JFKWT
Singapore1442 Posts
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Sharp-eYe
Canada642 Posts
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Zoler
Sweden6339 Posts
On December 17 2009 14:09 johnnyspazz wrote: USA has the worst e-sport scene? lol have you even heard of MLG? USA definitely does not have the worst e-sport scene. I've heard of MLG, and money doesn't mean it's good. MLG only has crappy games after they removed Super Smash Bros Melee. USA DOES have the worst e-sport scene, and always has. One of the reasons is that the computer gaming scene is so small in USA compared to the console scene, and there is like no "real" e-sport games for console, and even so 103846583 crappy console games are played just because the sponsors pay. makes me sick | ||
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Zoler
Sweden6339 Posts
That doesn't surprise me. Since it's mostly console / crappy games pretty much no one outside USA ever heard about it lol | ||
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johanes
Czech Republic2246 Posts
thats HOW bad it is | ||
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Foucault
Sweden2826 Posts
On December 17 2009 13:16 Horiz0n wrote: Id guess that anyone that thinks SC 2 will take over the scene immediately will be sadly mistaken, Starcraft has about 10 year of balancing and we still have threads about imbalance in the game. Remember the Orc dominance in wc3? That is what we will have in SC2 until balancing eventually will find itself, but it will take time Yeah, SC isn't balanced. Maps and quite odd strategies makes the game "balanced". I mean how often do you think about the fact that most terrans wall-in against protoss? If terran didn't wall in they would suck against protoss early game, and therefore a quite special strategy is needed to balance out this aspect of the game. So SC in itself is nowhere near balanced, but that's pretty much common sense. | ||
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Zoler
Sweden6339 Posts
On December 18 2009 02:53 Foucault wrote: Yeah, SC isn't balanced. Maps and quite odd strategies makes the game "balanced". I mean how often do you think about the fact that most terrans wall-in against protoss? If terran didn't wall in they would suck against protoss early game, and therefore a quite special strategy is needed to balance out this aspect of the game. So SC in itself is nowhere near balanced, but that's pretty much common sense. So for you a balanced game is when you can do any strategy at any time? No need to adapt or anything. And also, wall in isn't needed on most maps (watch like Flash vs Stork from GomTV star invitational) | ||
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Foucault
Sweden2826 Posts
On December 17 2009 13:25 Zoler wrote: US? USA has the worst e-sport scene I've ever seen really. Dead or alive and Halo? You kidding me oh my god... err hardly the worst. Quite alot of games are played competitively, maybe not the best games but still. You could make a case for Congo or Zaire, but USA cmon | ||
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Zoler
Sweden6339 Posts
On December 18 2009 03:23 Foucault wrote: err hardly the worst. Quite alot of games are played competitively, maybe not the best games but still. You could make a case for Congo or Zaire, but USA cmon Having african countries in this discussion is just retarded cause they have no e-sport scene AT ALL. You get my point? | ||
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Foucault
Sweden2826 Posts
On December 18 2009 03:23 Zoler wrote: So for you a balanced game is when you can do any strategy at any time? Wierd More like that than how SC is now where the strategies are so limited and the only real differences are mostly in how fast you take your gas or if you make 1 or 2 facs/gateways early on. If you can't see how redudant many units are in every matchup, I dunno what to tell you. Strategies clearly have allowed the different races to be on somewhat even foot, at the expense of other strategies that can't be used unless you want to loose horribly. | ||
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