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TheAntZ
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Israel6248 Posts
December 18 2009 14:45 GMT
#861
On December 18 2009 23:43 Gregsen wrote:
TvP is way more inbalanced (for terran) these days than PvZ imho...I wonder why nobody talks about that.

are you fucking serious? Terrans are bawwwwwing about it in almost every thread
43084 | Honeybadger: "So july, you're in the GSL finals. How do you feel?!" ~ July: "HUNGRY."
RandomAccount#49059
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2140 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-18 14:59:32
December 18 2009 14:46 GMT
#862
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annYeong(o11)
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada784 Posts
December 18 2009 14:58 GMT
#863
On December 18 2009 23:46 stormtemplar wrote:
Random Idea, instead of arguing about if it is imba (Cuz most people realize it is) lets discuss what the heck toss can do. Two strong optionns are a goon reaver push, and sair reaver. Any other ideas?



Stork is claiming to have a revolutionary build, I don't think he played it though b/c he lost to only decently played mass muta

maybe the muta were an attempt to throw stork off his game, thus making him unable to preform said legendary build. Maybe the revolutionary build is to claim you have a revolutionary build.
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Gregsen
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Germany667 Posts
December 18 2009 14:59 GMT
#864
On December 18 2009 23:45 TheAntZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2009 23:43 Gregsen wrote:
TvP is way more inbalanced (for terran) these days than PvZ imho...I wonder why nobody talks about that.

are you fucking serious? Terrans are bawwwwwing about it in almost every thread



Because it simply is like that. The only thing Terran can do most of the time, is adapt. Also Protoss can take a lot of risks, for example with Reaver opening, without losing too much in the end.
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RandomAccount#49059
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2140 Posts
December 18 2009 15:01 GMT
#865
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ilbh
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil1606 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-18 15:08:49
December 18 2009 15:02 GMT
#866
zerg players are at another level and protoss players are slumping, not a big deal

protoss top players: stork, bisu, jangbi, best, kal... and movie... and maybe you can add here pure and thats all

zerg top players: jaedong, calm, julyzerg, shine, effort, zero, killer is showing some ggs in a 3-0 streak win, hero, hyun, yellow[arnc], luxury, type-b, hogil, firefist, hyuk, roro, kwanro

so imo ZvP is balanced, we are just living a protoss sucking era

Part of the inhumanity of the computer is that, once it is competently programmed and working smoothly, it is completely honest.
Kyo Yuy
Profile Joined January 2009
United States1286 Posts
December 18 2009 15:07 GMT
#867
On December 18 2009 23:46 stormtemplar wrote:
Random Idea, instead of arguing about if it is imba (Cuz most people realize it is) lets discuss what the heck toss can do. Two strong optionns are a goon reaver push, and sair reaver. Any other ideas?

Tell them you're kinda famous and ask for a free win.

In all seriousness, there's really no strong counter to the 3 hatch spire strat right now, and the only real good way of winning against Zerg right now is to be unpredictable and use all sorts of super early timing attacks. As Nony said, Protoss don't really have a "map" that they can follow to deal with the current Zerg trend, because Zerg can make unit transitions much faster than Protoss can. That and muta micro is simply too good right now, but both High Templar and reavers (the units that can really handle mass hydra) are extremely vulnerable to muta snipes.

I think that is why people have a harder time with ZvP on lower levels but at progamer levels it's different. The current Zerg metagame hinges heavily on strong muta micro to snipe any Protoss units that could destroy mass hydra, and then overwhelming the opponent with mass hydra. There really isn't a hard counter to this right now, but hopefully Stork has something really clever up his sleeve.
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Baddieko
Profile Joined October 2008
Singapore855 Posts
December 18 2009 15:09 GMT
#868
I suggest bring back the 1 storm 1 kill.
Baddieko
Profile Joined October 2008
Singapore855 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-18 15:15:10
December 18 2009 15:13 GMT
#869
Nowadays zergs just take the 3rd gas using their 3rd hat far away and build a sim city for imba gas, and behind them a main gives the 4th gas. Its cheating when toss has 2 gas vs infinte gas, and the available expos near protosses' main are mineral-only. HTs are ineffective against lurker contains and good hydra micro. Basically 5-8 lurkers contain the whole protoss ball and put them behind economically when the ball is useless. After that cows and defilers come out non stop and its gg.
Saturnize
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States2473 Posts
December 18 2009 15:14 GMT
#870
Same old song and dance...
"Time to put the mustard on the hotdog. -_-"
s[O]rry
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada398 Posts
December 18 2009 15:42 GMT
#871
Try not losing templar to sniping by actually keeping them with your army.

"But when I 1a2a3a the templar are slower!"

Don't do that then and they won't die needlessly.
Sunshine.
4Servy
Profile Joined August 2008
Netherlands1542 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-18 16:02:56
December 18 2009 16:00 GMT
#872
toss doesnt lose temps cause they are slower lol.

Its either they get sniped by suicidal muta and 1a2a3a4a5a hydra mass. On 4p maps with easy to secure additional gas they do 3 hatch spire into 5 hatch macro and 4 gas camp to hive and role toss over with cracks/ultra so temps do absolutly nothing here. Such a boring thing, take a nat with your 3th hatch get a spire to deflect sair/dt harras and get 1m hatch on the empty main and other in block positions together with evo/den and just power like mad.
da_head
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada3350 Posts
December 18 2009 16:11 GMT
#873
On December 19 2009 00:42 s[O]rry wrote:
Try not losing templar to sniping by actually keeping them with your army.

"But when I 1a2a3a the templar are slower!"

Don't do that then and they won't die needlessly.

troll more k?
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iuppy
Profile Joined November 2009
Romania31 Posts
December 18 2009 16:28 GMT
#874
With a good micro by the protoss player pvz isn't imba.
Cyrox
Profile Joined October 2007
Sweden147 Posts
December 18 2009 16:50 GMT
#875
All 09ers ?
Last year or whatever all zergs except a few got slaughtered.

Cry more.
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
December 18 2009 16:53 GMT
#876
XvT is imbalanced, so says the OSL.

Flash doesn't count cuz he's Flash!
Remember Violet.
kerpal
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United Kingdom2695 Posts
December 18 2009 17:56 GMT
#877
wow seriously 44 pages of this? more practice less posting and maybe the balance will shift (although probably this is actually full of zergs trolling)
daz
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Canada643 Posts
December 18 2009 18:03 GMT
#878
On December 19 2009 01:50 Cyrox wrote:
All 09ers ?
Last year or whatever all zergs except a few got slaughtered.

Cry more.


and the 9 years before that all protoss got slaughtered, no exceptions
Some eat to remember, some smash to forget. 2009msl.com
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
December 18 2009 18:08 GMT
#879
On December 19 2009 03:03 daz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2009 01:50 Cyrox wrote:
All 09ers ?
Last year or whatever all zergs except a few got slaughtered.

Cry more.


and the 9 years before that all protoss got slaughtered, no exceptions


and terrans dominated everyone
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
Severedevil
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4839 Posts
December 18 2009 18:08 GMT
#880
On December 19 2009 03:03 daz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2009 01:50 Cyrox wrote:
All 09ers ?
Last year or whatever all zergs except a few got slaughtered.

Cry more.


and the 9 years before that all protoss got slaughtered, no exceptions

I believe there was a stint of Protoss advantage after Bisu's revolution, before Zerg noticed there are counters to corsairs.
My strategy is to fork people.
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