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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
On December 18 2009 20:44 El Resplandor wrote: ye >____> 1a2a3a4a win... so sad. Oh and movie had 170 apm that game ROFL? thats what zergs do with hydras isn't it protoss requires a few more clicks | ||
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samachking
Bahrain4949 Posts
On December 18 2009 20:44 El Resplandor wrote: ye >____> 1a2a3a4a win... so sad. Oh and movie had 170 apm that game ROFL? Seriously Stop trolling Movie had 270 apm that game and Zero fucked up the game by funnelling 3 groups of hydras through a small choke vs goon/reaver and stacking lurks vs reavers Movie style is quite gimmicky and allinish and if you defend vs the harass well you can counter it quite easily by powering 3base since he gets a extremely late 3rd, his play is pretty much a 2base power hanbang all in. Here is how to counter Movie 101 | ||
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Severedevil
United States4839 Posts
On December 18 2009 20:43 Camlito wrote: Click T on there mutalisks with a high templar, or better yet click M(or R, don't know the hotkey) on 2 templars and click the middle of the mutas. They complement corsairs pretty well. Good point. I also forgot that you can click B and then C a few times, and you will have a huge block of photon cannons, thereby negating mutalisk. | ||
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TheAntZ
Israel6248 Posts
Shine 1a2a3a muta gg | ||
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annYeong(o11)
Canada784 Posts
1. funnelled his forces so they can be blasted 2. pressed early enough that his 4 base advantage couldn't pay off 3. Said 4 base advantage cost him larva which he was pumping drones not units, his army was undersized IMO Zero missed his window when Movie was transferring to mass goon/zlot | ||
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NguN
Australia1322 Posts
Map imba, not ZvP imba | ||
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
On December 18 2009 20:59 annYeong(o11) wrote: Zero's mistakes (as I see them) 1. funnelled his forces so they can be blasted 2. pressed early enough that his 4 base advantage couldn't pay off 3. Said 4 base advantage cost him larva which he was pumping drones not units, his army was undersized IMO Zero missed his window when Movie was transferring to mass goon/zlot He had only 2 drones at his fourth base . He was making units from the 2 hatcherys there . | ||
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Foucault
Sweden2826 Posts
If you can't see that ZvP is imbalanced you're either a zerg player, play at low levels or haven't watched enough Starcraft games through the years. | ||
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
True story.  | ||
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Damian
Germany335 Posts
Q: You have a match vs Bisu tomorrow. A: I think he’s the best PvZ player. I think I was lucky when we last met, so I’m preparing hard for this meeting.I think it’s going to be a difficult duel, but Zerg vs Protoss is so favorable for zerg these days that I think I can win. ^ says it all.. | ||
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tomatriedes
New Zealand5356 Posts
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TheAntZ
Israel6248 Posts
ZvP isnt imba, but that game pissed me off left right and sideways -_- | ||
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Camlito
Australia4040 Posts
On December 18 2009 21:47 Foucault wrote: Yeah there is an imbalance to ZvP. You guys serious? Even a couple of progamer zergs (Savior and Jju comes to mind) have said that ZvP is EZ. If you can't see that ZvP is imbalanced you're either a zerg player, play at low levels or haven't watched enough Starcraft games through the years. Yes but it's only imbalanced at higher up levels, and the imbalance is more maps allowing for it to happen. The reason i respond and get annoyed to people who complain about pvz constantly is because half of them try to use it as an excuse for why they lose PvZ at lower levels EDIT: Also savior and calm said ZvT is hard for zerg, to combat JJu and Shine saying its easy for zerg vs protoss. Do you see 50 threads and posts every time a terran beats a zerg? | ||
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Kyo Yuy
United States1286 Posts
On December 18 2009 20:52 Severedevil wrote: Good point. I also forgot that you can click B and then C a few times, and you will have a huge block of photon cannons, thereby negating mutalisk and any chance of securing a third base Fixed. Also as someone pointed out + Show Spoiler + Shine has mentioned in his post-game interview that ZvP is easy for Zergs. With even Bisu saying that he feels his PvZ is quite vulnerable lately, there is definitely a problem with the current metagame. | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On December 18 2009 21:47 Foucault wrote: Yeah there is an imbalance to ZvP. You guys serious? Even a couple of progamer zergs (Savior and Jju comes to mind) have said that ZvP is EZ. If you can't see that ZvP is imbalanced you're either a zerg player, play at low levels or haven't watched enough Starcraft games through the years. Are you serious? You must be a protoss player for that kind of ignorance imo. You must not realize that some people think certain matchups are easier to people. I struggle very much at zvz and my zvp goes off and on to either I am doing good vs protoss's or I lose to them a lot. Man your post lmao. | ||
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Gaspadin
Russian Federation132 Posts
Are you serious? You must be a protoss player for that kind of ignorance imo. You must not realize that some people think certain matchups are easier to people. I struggle very much at zvz and my zvp goes off and on to either I am doing good vs protoss's or I lose to them a lot. Man your post lmao. I think we are talking about the progamer scene and not about some wannabe sc player. | ||
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Foucault
Sweden2826 Posts
On December 18 2009 23:05 Camlito wrote: EDIT: Also savior and calm said ZvT is hard for zerg, to combat JJu and Shine saying its easy for zerg vs protoss. Do you see 50 threads and posts every time a terran beats a zerg? Yup, but ZvT isn't as hard as PvZ is, especially on these new bigger maps. When zerg can take 3-4 gas on his side of the map while terran is pumping of two bases, things could get serious fast for terran. There's a reason we're seeing so many ZvT:s with Ultralisks on big maps, and that's because it's relatively easy for zerg to secure alot of gas. Zerg has lurkers, defilers and ultralisks; three units that really can own a terran hard. What does protoss have against zerg? Reaver, sure. DT:s, sure. But DT:s usually don't make that much damage because of all the overlords spying everywhere. The other protoss units are so fragile and susceptible to flanks and getting surrounded. You can often see zerg basically running protoss over with units while protoss is microing hard and working on his unit composition. Zerg just sends in hydras and lings in masses, not to mention the hydra cannon-breaks, I've stopped counting the amount of times I've seen that. It's ridiculous how a so-so zerg can own a superior protoss with these builds. Anyways, back to my point about ZvT. Lurkers are a very strong unit against terran and usually keeps him at bay until defiler arrives, then just turtle up on your bases and tech to ultras. Ultras in ZvT I feel are a little bit like carriers in PvT, VERY powerful units. When I see lots of ultras pop out I'm usually pretty sure that the zerg will win the game. Also, Terran needs to multi-task, and micro hard in ZvT. Besides muta harass, there is not the same emphasis on micro in ZvT. Zerg doesn't have to move around 5 control groups of units all the time, units that die to one lurker spine attack. Btw, I'm oversimplifying etc. I know ZvT is hard, but not as hard as PvZ imo. If zerg can hold their own in early/mid-game ZvT, ultras arrive to save the day. Defilers and dark swarm are also super good against Terran. | ||
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Foucault
Sweden2826 Posts
On December 18 2009 23:15 blade55555 wrote: Are you serious? You must be a protoss player for that kind of ignorance imo. You must not realize that some people think certain matchups are easier to people. I struggle very much at zvz and my zvp goes off and on to either I am doing good vs protoss's or I lose to them a lot. Man your post lmao. Then I guess you fall into the "play at low levels" and/or "haven't watched enough Starcraft games through the years" categories? | ||
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TheAntZ
Israel6248 Posts
On December 18 2009 23:15 blade55555 wrote: Are you serious? You must be a protoss player for that kind of ignorance imo. You must not realize that some people think certain matchups are easier to people. I struggle very much at zvz and my zvp goes off and on to either I am doing good vs protoss's or I lose to them a lot. Man your post lmao. Noone cares about your D level games man, really. | ||
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Gregsen
Germany667 Posts
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