EPTZvP is imbalanced - Page 27
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Avidkeystamper
United States8552 Posts
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
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ghrur
United States3786 Posts
On October 17 2009 14:43 jalstar wrote: ZvP is the most balanced non-mirror Really? Hmm, weird, I was sure it was PvT. =/ | ||
ArvickHero
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monstar123
United States516 Posts
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okum
France5778 Posts
On October 17 2009 14:51 ArvickHero wrote: Making the third gas less easy to take would make PvZ a little less difficult I think, like Match Point has a mineral third instead of a gas third and P have a much better time Yep, several others have already made this analysis. A mineral-only third (and much harder-to-take fourth) prevents zerg from having the kitchen sink to throw at the P within minutes. And if it's easy to defend (like Match Point), P can actually get to a third base too for a change, which allows them to survive into the late game. Of course, protoss units cost gas too, but protoss can do much more with the extra minerals. A third gas that is easy to defend for protoss too might not be a bad deal either. | ||
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mOnion
United States5653 Posts
you'd think a simple "nuh uh" would suffice. | ||
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
On October 17 2009 05:28 ix wrote: Movie, violet, Perfectman, Tempest and Stats. Obviously most of them are no where near the top but I'd say they were the future top toss. I wasnt aware people are actually serious about perfectman ^^ Why, cause he beat Iris once? It is way too early to even mention this guy. I already mentioned movie and violet, and about the others, horang2 and backho included, do you really see them winning any starleagues soon? Just compare that list to calm effort kwanro zero - two of those players already ARE S-class, the other two also are quite accomplished already, more accomplished then any of those tosses you mention Of course there are very talented Protoss players, but the point is that right now the Zerg players are simply better. On October 17 2009 14:48 ghrur wrote: Really? Hmm, weird, I was sure it was PvT. =/ haha say that to Artosis or FakeSteve | ||
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nebffa
Australia776 Posts
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DM20
Canada544 Posts
On October 17 2009 20:32 nebffa wrote: people should probably stop splashing the phrase "S-class" around. thats for flash, jaedong, stork, bisu and fantasy. until a player can hang with these guys, they ain't S-class calm has won a starleague, fantasy hasn't. | ||
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
On October 17 2009 03:54 NovaTheFeared wrote: I think the point is it wasn't that long ago, and the fact that the matchup is evolving back toward the zerg isn't a problem because the pendulum *will* swing back. There isn't an unlimited amount of possible viable strategies though, so it might not. Personally i think Zerg is inherently better when played at such a high level and as time passes its getting more and more clear. With modern scourge control, lurker spread, muta micro, defiler usage etc etc it seems unlikely to me that there will be another era of Protoss dominance unless theres somehow some very heavily P favoured maps used in the future. Edit: also the same thing i believe is definitely noticeable in ZvT as well with Z currently in a better position than usual. T being more flexible though means its probably more likely for the matchup to swing back. | ||
Chill
Calgary25970 Posts
On October 17 2009 21:57 infinity2k9 wrote: There isn't an unlimited amount of possible viable strategies though, so it might not. Personally i think Zerg is inherently better when played at such a high level and as time passes its getting more and more clear. With modern scourge control, lurker spread, muta micro, defiler usage etc etc it seems unlikely to me that there will be another era of Protoss dominance unless theres somehow some very heavily P favoured maps used in the future. Edit: also the same thing i believe is definitely noticeable in ZvT as well with Z currently in a better position than usual. T being more flexible though means its probably more likely for the matchup to swing back. Cool, I can use arbitrary ideas to support my facts too. With modern corsair, shuttle control, and high templar and arbiter accuracy, it seems unlikely that protoss will ever lose again. | ||
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johanes
Czech Republic2227 Posts
On October 17 2009 20:32 nebffa wrote: people should probably stop splashing the phrase "S-class" around. thats for flash, jaedong, stork, bisu and fantasy. until a player can hang with these guys, they ain't S-class please dont put fantasy anywhere near flash, ty | ||
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Ota Solgryn
Denmark2011 Posts
Such a bad argument. cant believe it. forGG has won a starleague as well is he better than fantasy? Than JD, than stork? Than anybody? | ||
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
edit: also i don't see how its arbitrary, i was pointing out a few things which have clearly got a lot better recently and are directly effecting the matchup. scourge/muta in particular are definitely a lot more dangerous than they used to be, and P doesn't have an equivalent improvement possible imo. sair/ht usage for example, even as it gets better its not going to effect the matchup as much as the former. | ||
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ix
United Kingdom184 Posts
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Camlito
Australia4040 Posts
On October 17 2009 14:51 monstar123 wrote: Best is protoss savior. That's a very sad prospect if you think about it t.t. | ||
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ghrur
United States3786 Posts
On October 17 2009 22:36 Ota Solgryn wrote: Such a bad argument. cant believe it. forGG has won a starleague as well is he better than fantasy? Than JD, than stork? Than anybody? Put it this way: Calm JUST won a starleague. Fantasy couldn't even make it to the Ro16 for that same league. If Fantasy is S-Class, Calm is too. Nothing more, nothing less. The rest of that argument was just fallacious slippery slope crap. | ||
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
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